Scam Warning: WoodCollector

[jonald_fyookball]

i guess a lot of posts were lost due to the forum disk failure.

Anyway, I'm sick of this thread...I'm gonna say my piece and
then this will be my last post in this thread (hopefully).

A lot of people were asking yesterday about how do I know
it was done by a laser.

The fact is, I don't know 100%.  Nothing in life is ever
100% certain.

But, I trust the expert testimony given by Searle421 and
Paul Revere...and I trust my own eyes, common sense and
brain.

This stuff is just too detailed and accurate to be
hand carved.  Even if possible, would take hundreds
or thousands of hours, which makes ZERO sense given
the fact that Woodcollector claimed to be doing this
in his spare time while running 3 businesses (yeah right).

Plus he kept changing his story.

First it was supposedly "hand carved", then was done
by "carbon paper", and then by "rotary tool".  

Do the research yourself -- google some images of
rotary tool carvings.  They are not at the same
level of detail.

Also, the stolen vector images discovered by others...

It all adds up to one thing.

Make your own judgement.

I feel bad for wood collector because he allowed
himself to dig a hole of dishonesty when he
could have simply admitted not ALL of it
was hand carved.  

I respect anyone who produces goods and
sells them in the market place, and WC
had nice stuff. But the denial, the
repeated lies, and the attacks on others who
would try to expose the truth were disgusting.

Finally, his reactions to the drama last night
did not have the ring of truth whatsoever. 
He was pissed off at the expose...
whereas I believe a true master
artisan would be flattered and laughing his
ass off in joy that people would be accusing
his hand carvings of being laser engraved.

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[ukcrypto]

But, I trust the expert testimony given by Searle421 and
Paul Revere...and I trust my own eyes, common sense and
brain.

How do you know they are experts? Serious question - you know them from Adam...

Also, the stolen vector images discovered by others...


What if he bought the licence to the vector images, does the licence not allow him to carve that image into wood? What about the vector that one client sent to him and asked he copy? That does not mean they are stolen.

[jonald_fyookball]

But, I trust the expert testimony given by Searle421 and
Paul Revere...and I trust my own eyes, common sense and
brain.

How do you know they are experts? Serious question - you know them from Adam...

Also, the stolen vector images discovered by others...


What if he bought the licence to the vector images, does the licence not allow him to carve that image into wood? What about the vector that one client sent to him and asked he copy? That does not mean they are stolen.

I have no interest in further debate -- my opinion has been stated, and you are welcome to yours as well.

[smoothie]

In a long post I made there were several places where WC made implications that he does original/custom work.

Which by his own admission by using vector images or stock photos he is a fraud.

Original work is like I already said...ORIGINAL...my coin designs (the background of my physical bitcoin designs) I proved yesterday that they were in fact original.

He never really addressed the fact that he assumed my work was a copy of other's works and when proven wrong decided to completely ignore that fact.

Very unprofessional given I approached him to get facts from him about his work before making a judgement and the fact that he expected nubbins to do the same thing I did, then he goes and throws me under the bus.

LazerViking deserves a refund in my view as the precedent that the work was custom/original was false as he misrepresented his work to be original/custom when they are obviously not.

[RedhatCAT]

If you want to rely on google then rely on google, don't rely on some nameless random person that you would never in 100 years trust with your own money. I am not trying to say that anyone is right or wrong, but the evidence presented by paul should be 100% ignored. If you can do that and still come to the same conclusion then you are free to call him a scammer all you want.

As far as I am concerned, all the evidence has come from people that cannot be relied upon. All that I can say with certainty right now is that nubbins thinks that WC might be a fraud, blazedout419 is a happy customer and that OgNasty thinks that WC's art is "beautiful" other then that I can say nothing.

@LazerViking - I agree that may be your conclusion however I cannot say with certainty that is what he would do. If you do decide to move forward with the purchase I would highly recommend insisting on escrow with strict terms that would allow funds to be released to WC.

[RedhatCAT]

@smoothie - I hope you realize that I am not trying to defend him and am trying to avoid the "mob mentality" as much as possible.

I did notice that all of the quotes you mentioned all off the pieces except for number 9 which is what LazerViking purchased.

I am also somewhat confused by him claiming they were his original designs as his customers were giving him outlines as to what they wanted their pieces to look like

[smoothie]

@smoothie - I hope you realize that I am not trying to defend him and am trying to avoid the "mob mentality" as much as possible.

I understand that don't worry.

[smoothie]

EXHIBIT A:

10 coins of 2015?

Beautiful artwork, wish it was something I could afford. What denominations so far have been created and what denominations are you planning in full for the 10 coins of 2015?

So far there are 2 1BTC coins and 2 10BTC coins. Nothing is ever really planned, 2 of the 4 made so far were commissioned and two i made as the design just came to me. After a brief conversation i am sure that coin #5 is being commissioned tomorrow and it will have whatever denomination the client requests. At this rate all 10 will be sold before the end of January. Good news for me as i can spend more time working on other Bitcoin art, sad news for those who didnt buy one as they will have to wait until December 2015 to buy one of the 2016 coins.

I have a 1,000BTC fully funded coin for 2014 but it is mine and in my own personal collection and the only one i made for 2014, it has 24karat gold, .9999 fine silver, and multiple colored diamond inlays into Gabon Ebony Wood. It is not and probably will never be for sale as it would take at least $1,000,000 USD worth of Bitcoin minimum for me to ever let it go.

Original design just came to him? Or from google?

[smoothie]

Exhibit B:

"Unity"

Commissioned by and sold to: ukcrypto

...pix removed...

Material: Grade AAAA Purpleheart
Price: 2.5BTC
Commissioned By: ukcrypto
Coin: 2 of 10 to be made for the 2015 year

Inspired by Andreas Antonopoulos speech (and book ) about bitcoin and its relation to the leaf cutter ant.

I will let UKcrypto explain more on his vision for the coin which will explain more the inspiration behind the design i created.

This coin is not for sale, This thread is only to show that it was commissioned and purchased by UKcrypto and that he is the original owner.

The design he created was inspired by UKcrypto? UKcrypto + google?

[smoothie]

Exhibit C:

Damn, this is an amazing looking coin. Well done dude!

Thanks, It was the first of the 10 piece collection for 2015. The new owner of this coin just bought a second one from the collection as well. 4 have been made so far, #5 is in process right now and was commissioned by a forum member to be custom designed for them. There will only be 5 more made for the 2015 year, meaning the minute #10 is sold, the value on all of them will pretty much double as no amount of money will get me to make another one for the 2015 year and anyone who is holding one at the moment knows they cannot be forged or faked.

I have really enjoyed working with the Bitcoin Community, some of the best clients i have had in 20 years have come from here. I will be releasing a new project/collection that is not coins sometime in February as well for the Bitcoin Community.

Custom designed for them...ok.

[smoothie]

Exhibit D:

Ok, i wasnt aware of the IP posting limits restricting posts on auctions, i guess for the next one i will have to post that if there is a bid within the last 5 minutes it will extend the auction by 5 minutes.

Pistachio was in before the end of 12:00 and won Mazuma, but Iron Marvel and ukcrypto go ahead and message me and i think i have a solution that will make you both very happy at the price point of your last bids.

Pistachio - Congrats....and be careful someone tried to scam me just now sending a PM pretending to be Woodcollector using a variation of his name!

Can you link me his profile so i can mark his trust rating negative please. Also if you wouldnt mind leave negative feedback on his profile as well so he does not rip off any of my clients in the future.

LazerViking? Care to comment?

[smoothie]

Exhibit E:

What would the estimated shipping be for this being sent to the west coast?

I dont really charge for shipping unless it is out of the USA and there are customs fees or forestry permits required or unless it needs insurance in excess of $3,000usd. Each piece is one of a kind and will never be replicated so if you wanted this particular piece you would have to bribe ducatitalia into selling it which there is a 0% chance of doing i'm sure. But i could create you your own personal art piece inspired by almost anything you can dream of, your imagination is the limit, or if you have no imagination and want me to run wild, you just give me a concept, quote, or thought, and i will create a design based around that concept. I have access to every wood on the planet and your budget is the only thing that determines how extravagant it gets.

Once again he uses the word create when talking about designs for his art. To me that implies custom/original work.

[ukcrypto]

Exhibit B:

"Unity"

Commissioned by and sold to: ukcrypto

...pix removed...

Material: Grade AAAA Purpleheart
Price: 2.5BTC
Commissioned By: ukcrypto
Coin: 2 of 10 to be made for the 2015 year

Inspired by Andreas Antonopoulos speech (and book ) about bitcoin and its relation to the leaf cutter ant.

I will let UKcrypto explain more on his vision for the coin which will explain more the inspiration behind the design i created.

This coin is not for sale, This thread is only to show that it was commissioned and purchased by UKcrypto and that he is the original owner.

The design he created was inspired by UKcrypto? UKcrypto + google?

Smoothie.. Seriously really? I gave him some ideas - eg/ Read up on Andreas Antonopoulos speech about the leaf cutter ant and design me a coin based on what you read. He designed me a unique (does anyone else in the world have this design on a big wooden coin) coin that I have never seen before, that hangs on my wall and reminds me of my love of Bitcoin.... therefore as far as I am concerned, woodcutter designed the coin he produced.

Disclosure: I am a happy customer for WC who has commissioned more than one piece and will continue to commission pieces.

[ukcrypto]

Exhibit D:

Ok, i wasnt aware of the IP posting limits restricting posts on auctions, i guess for the next one i will have to post that if there is a bid within the last 5 minutes it will extend the auction by 5 minutes.

Pistachio was in before the end of 12:00 and won Mazuma, but Iron Marvel and ukcrypto go ahead and message me and i think i have a solution that will make you both very happy at the price point of your last bids.

Pistachio - Congrats....and be careful someone tried to scam me just now sending a PM pretending to be Woodcollector using a variation of his name!

Can you link me his profile so i can mark his trust rating negative please. Also if you wouldnt mind leave negative feedback on his profile as well so he does not rip off any of my clients in the future.

LazerViking? Care to comment?

Smoothie - this relates to a user who setup a username similar to Woodcollector, like Wo0dcollector and PM;d people telling them to pay for their winning auction, luckily i clocked it and informed the winning bidder so he didn't get scammed - not sure what this has to do with your evidence.

[smoothie]

EXHIBIT F:

Another beauty. How does your design process work for custom pieces?
Is that a Hamsa on the side?

Its the Hand of Fatima above the date.

When you say "design process" do you mean the process of acquiring a piece? Like A: client contacts me B: Client decides on a piece C: Client sends funds for a piece D: Client Receives piece ?

Or

Do you mean, how the actual artistic design of each piece is designed, like the workflow of it all?

I was referring to the artistic design. Do you offer designs or does the customer describe what he wants and you start working on a sketch?

Everything commissioned is tailored to speak to the client directly. Sometimes they have an idea already, other times they give me just a concept like they want it to symbolize something like movement like "Transcendence" .

It all revolves around who the client is as a person, their passions, what makes them tick, then i tailor the art to speak directly to them, something that embraces all that they are as a human being.

This ^ basically says to me that he creates original artwork/designs as he uses words like "tailored", "speak", "directly", etc.

[smoothie]

Exhibit B:

"Unity"

Commissioned by and sold to: ukcrypto

...pix removed...

Material: Grade AAAA Purpleheart
Price: 2.5BTC
Commissioned By: ukcrypto
Coin: 2 of 10 to be made for the 2015 year

Inspired by Andreas Antonopoulos speech (and book ) about bitcoin and its relation to the leaf cutter ant.

I will let UKcrypto explain more on his vision for the coin which will explain more the inspiration behind the design i created.

This coin is not for sale, This thread is only to show that it was commissioned and purchased by UKcrypto and that he is the original owner.

The design he created was inspired by UKcrypto? UKcrypto + google?

Smoothie.. Seriously really? I gave him some ideas - eg/ Read up on Andreas Antonopoulos speech about the leaf cutter ant and design me a coin based on what you read. He designed me a unique (does anyone else in the world have this design on a big wooden coin) coin that I have never seen before, that hangs on my wall and reminds me of my love of Bitcoin.... therefore as far as I am concerned, woodcutter designed the coin he produced.

Disclosure: I am a happy customer for WC who has commissioned more than one piece and will continue to commission pieces.

Did I say I didn't believe his claim?

I'm asking more for LazerViking's and other future customers.

He says he creates original work but then he uses stock photos/vector images and that is the basis of why he refuses to refund LazerViking his deposit because the premise was he creates original work which at least in some cases is not true.

I haven't taken the time to look at your piece but did he create that design from scratch? No copy paste or stock photo/photoshop?

that is what I am getting at.

[LazerViking]

But, I trust the expert testimony given by Searle421 and
Paul Revere...and I trust my own eyes, common sense and
brain.

How do you know they are experts? Serious question - you know them from Adam...

Also, the stolen vector images discovered by others...


What if he bought the licence to the vector images, does the licence not allow him to carve that image into wood? What about the vector that one client sent to him and asked he copy? That does not mean they are stolen.

Just to be clear, I communicated with deliveryman, the person who commissioned the "Resolute" coin, and he told me he was not aware at any time that the images on his coin were anything but original works of art made by WoodCollector, and was quite disappointed to find out that they weren't. Contrary to what WoodCollector is claiming, WoodCollector was the one who first came to deliveryman with the vector image lion design(exact image nothing changed) and presented it as a "sketch", not the other way around.

[smoothie]

Exhibit D:

Ok, i wasnt aware of the IP posting limits restricting posts on auctions, i guess for the next one i will have to post that if there is a bid within the last 5 minutes it will extend the auction by 5 minutes.

Pistachio was in before the end of 12:00 and won Mazuma, but Iron Marvel and ukcrypto go ahead and message me and i think i have a solution that will make you both very happy at the price point of your last bids.

Pistachio - Congrats....and be careful someone tried to scam me just now sending a PM pretending to be Woodcollector using a variation of his name!

Can you link me his profile so i can mark his trust rating negative please. Also if you wouldnt mind leave negative feedback on his profile as well so he does not rip off any of my clients in the future.

LazerViking? Care to comment?

Smoothie - this relates to a user who setup a username similar to Woodcollector, like Wo0dcollector and PM;d people telling them to pay for their winning auction, luckily i clocked it and informed the winning bidder so he didn't get scammed - not sure what this has to do with your evidence.

He didn't want his customers to get scammed yet he is keeping LazerViking's deposit on the grounds that he never claimed he did original work. LazerViking asked for a refund and got he middle finger from WC essentially.

Now he doesn't want his customers to get scammed but he can keep funds he is not entitled to even though he misrepresented doing original work when he supposedly doesn't?

[smoothie]

But, I trust the expert testimony given by Searle421 and
Paul Revere...and I trust my own eyes, common sense and
brain.

How do you know they are experts? Serious question - you know them from Adam...

Also, the stolen vector images discovered by others...


What if he bought the licence to the vector images, does the licence not allow him to carve that image into wood? What about the vector that one client sent to him and asked he copy? That does not mean they are stolen.

Just to be clear, I communicated with deliveryman, the person who commissioned the "Resolute" coin, and he told me he was not aware at any time that the images on his coin were anything but original works of art made by WoodCollector, and was quite disappointed to find out that they weren't. Contrary to what WoodCollector is claiming, WoodCollector was the one who first came to deliveryman with the vector image lion design(exact image nothing changed) and presented it as a "sketch", not the other way around.

Anytime an artist says they are creating a "sketch" that means they are creating a design from scratch (i.e. original work). Not copy paste from google.

Since when does COPY-PASTE = SKETCHING?

Simple...

Never.

[Gleb Gamow]

From woodcollectors art thread.
Q: What kind of wood can i have something made from?

A: If it exists on this planet i have access to it. It does not matter if it is protected, endangered or practically non existent. I have access to foresters, brokers, and a swarm of people who can obtain anything i need legally for me with forestry permits and import documents.




I have a problem with anyone who would even say this...... 

Using "Protected, Endangered or Practically non existent"  wood used is not sitting well with me.

Even tho ever thing looks like stained oak.
 

Good luck with getting ash outta Ohio.