[Announcement] Butterfly Labs

[Syke]

Not sure that even applies if it's the company that's doing the selling, and he's not the company owner.

Actually he is one of the company owners.

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[WhiteShum]

1) https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081

President / Director   CHRIS      VLEISIDES         2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108

2) The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full.

3) 1)+2)=all what he do now is illegal

4) WHERE is what "He's not on parole"?

   !!!official document PLZ!!!      I as the lawyer trust only documents!!!

5) He's foto with some wooman and some children was for "oooh,he is lovely,respectable family man"
I permanently see such photos in court.

6) Many people say "Sonny,confirm your woords" and where is answers???

I have only one ideas--me want to deceive.

if I am not right, show me the established official facts - documents.

When the person can't answer questions, he starts to shout HATER HATER HATER.

[psilan]

I understand what you are asking, but do you speak like that in court?

[Rassah]

1) https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081

President / Director   CHRIS      VLEISIDES         2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108

2) The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full.

3) 1)+2)=all what he do now is illegal

Chris Vleisides is not Sonny Vleisides. From what I understand, Sonny Vleisides is the guy who 2) is refering to, and Chris Vleisides is his stepfather, who, as far as we know, has no criminal record.

TL;DR; Chris and Sonny are two different people.

[SLok]

1) https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081

President / Director   CHRIS      VLEISIDES         2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108


When the person can't answer questions, he starts to shout HATER HATER HATER.

Chris Vleisides, Andrew Vleisides, Sonny Vleisides, now what? Blinded a little by ....?

[WhiteShum]

To Rassah
Quote from:  US Postal Inspection Service

Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States.
Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud.

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htm

there are double names, surnames.

TO psilan
not understand you --"but do you speak like that in court?"
can you paraphrase?

To Slok

learn to read documents, and then speak.

[psilan]

TO psilan
not understand you --"but do you speak like that in court?"
can you paraphrase?

3:) 1+ do
5:| you speak + like
1) that in
12: court

PS: Chris is Sonny's bro.

[WhiteShum]

TO psilan
not understand you --"but do you speak like that in court?"
can you paraphrase?

3:) 1+ do
5:| you speak + like
1) that in
12: court

PS: Chris is Sonny's bro.

my english is not good,but here one person is specified.
"Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States. Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud. "

[Rassah]

Sonny Chris Vleisides - guy who was arrested
Chris Vleisides - Sonny's stepfather
Andrew Vleisides - Sonny's cousin who owns the butterflylabs.com domain name.

Sonny's middle name is same as his stepfather's. I also find all this confusing, and even I'm not entirely sure if that's all correct (Maybe Inaba can confirm?)

[MrTeal]

1) https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081

President / Director   CHRIS      VLEISIDES         2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108

2) The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full.

3) 1)+2)=all what he do now is illegal

4) WHERE is what "He's not on parole"?

  !!!official document PLZ!!!      I as the lawyer trust only documents!!!

You're a lawyer and you don't understand the difference between parole and probation?

As for point 2), it says in Sonny's case file

All fines are waived as it is found that the defendant does not have the ability to pay a fine.

Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3663A(c)(3), restitution is not ordered because (1) the number of identifiable victims is so large as to make restitution impracticable [3663A(c)(3)(A)]; and

(2) determining complex issues of fact related to the cause or amount of the victim's losses would complicate or prolong the sentencing process to a degree that the need to provide restitution to any victim is outweighed by the burden on the sentencing process [3663A(c)(3)(B)].

SPECIAL ASSESSMENT: It is further ordered defendant shall pay to the United States a special assessment fee of $100, which is due immediately to the Clerk of the Court.

As long as Sonny's paid his $100 fine, he's satisfied all financial obligations in full. As such, he can sell and transfer assets without breaching his probation.

What law school did you get your degree from?

[SLok]

To Slok

learn to read documents, and then speak.

Contrary to what the public records seem to indicate, he's not the CEO of BFL - Sonny Chris Vleisides is not the CEO, Chris Vleisides (his stepfather) is the President (as opposed to his natural father, James Ray Houston, who was listed on the indictment) and Nasser Ghoseiri is the CEO - the confusion is understandable what with all the similar names, step and biological fathers and BFL's seeming hatred of titles. Sonny is an upper-level executive within the company, but he's not the absolute head, nor is his stepfather.

from http://codinginmysleep.com/interview-with-sonny-vleisides/

So, learn to read yourself, then speak, mister lawyer.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Sonny Chris Vleisides - guy who was arrested
Chris Vleisides - Sonny's stepfather
Andrew Vleisides - Sonny's cousin who owns the butterflylabs.com domain name.

Sonny's middle name is same as his stepfather's. I also find all this confusing, and even I'm not entirely sure if that's all correct (Maybe Inaba can confirm?)

And it's probably Andrew who has the most knowledge about Bitcoin, for he's #35419 on the Mt Gox dump. Ralph Kramden would be proud to see the Ed Norton of Kansas City become a coffee cup warmer and an ASIC manufacturer.

[mem]

Hi Guys,
As you all know I loathe BFL.

I think Inaba is the worst example of the bitcoin community we could currenty find and  the trust placed in a morally bankrupt convicted con (Sonny) is simply staggering. I am an AU citizen so I am unsure how far I can get doing this internationally but I will be contacting the USA police and requesting to speak / have contact with Sonny's Probation officer to follow up on queries and conerns  raised in these forums.

I shall also log all concerns I have with the USA's version of Office of Fair Trading.

As Sonny seems content to insist that stealing 26 Million USD from senior citizens is just an innocent misunderstanding where the big bad American and Italian governments decided to arbritiarilly pick on a single company because they were bored and felt like being big meanies. His words and everything said on his behalf I discount as pure grade A bullshit delivered by a known con & convict who is still playing the con.

So several phones calls later I shall update/ start a new thread with each complaint and query logged against BFL.
If nothing comes of it, nothing does but at least we will know that the proper authorities are aware and keeping an eye on things.
I have previous experience with decepitve / out right lying companies - I am one of several responsible for seeing dodo.com.au issued with the 2 highest fines ever in Australian Telco history (0.25 mil and 0.38 mil) for lying to clients, misleading advertising and generally being a 'BFL'.

I encourage every concerned USA citizen to log a query with Sonnys parole officer and again with your office of fair trading regarding BFL trading practices.
You have a right to the information Sonny and Inaba so desperately tried to hide, lets get it.

To clarify, if at the end of my inquiries I turn up nothing further I still rate BFL is a despicable company - a text book example of how to everything wrong and be absolute cunts to your clients until you desperately need to do damage control (Sonny's history coming to light).

If you are lucky boys and girls Sonny will appear to show how a con artist spins even the worst facts to his favour and if you are even luckier Inaba will turn up for 1 of his famous and logically flawed attempts at defense+attack+reason+rant+wtf is wrong with Inaba seriously.

Popcorn ready ?

[crazyates]

I encourage every concerned USA citizen to log a query with Sonnys parole officer

Can you explain why you want people to do this? Even on parole, a person has to have a job. In order to make enough money to paid it's employees, the company(that said person on parole works for) has to sell something. He works for a company that sells stuff, and you want me to report this (company's) sale of goods to his(the employee's) parole officer? Why?

[Inaba]

Poor mem... when I last had words with him, it came to light he was declared legally (in Australia anyway) mentally handicapped, so I apologized to him and told him I wouldn't engage with him anymore.  As much as I'd like to respond to him, I won't pick on the mentally challenged, no matter how deluded they are.  His nurse or whatever takes care of him once a week, I think it was, really needs to take away his internet privileges though.

[mem]

I encourage every concerned USA citizen to log a query with Sonnys parole officer

Can you explain why you want people to do this? Even on parole, a person has to have a job. In order to make enough money to paid it's employees, the company(that said person on parole works for) has to sell something. He works for a company that sells stuff, and you want me to report this (company's) sale of goods to his(the employee's) parole officer? Why?

To be very clear this is not a witch hunt, this is simply someone picking up the damn phone and getting answers after seeing all other avenues exhausted.
I have grave concerns about BFL despite not being a customer, so to alleviate these concerns I shall follow up them up with the neccesary goverment agencies that deal with these things.

I hope this can provide a conclusion to the the questions, it is most likely that I will simply get to log my concern etc (if at all possible as a non US citizen) with the deparments that handle fraud investigations and what ever consumer protection agencies America - I expect it to be an interesting learning exercise if nothing else.

As a community we have beaten this drama up for far to long when (just like with pirate) before seeking the correct assistance from the government bodies that are there to assist and protect us as consumers and as a community.

I shall report back all / any information I recieve and am legally allowed to share here, even if it is a boring but relieving "Nothing of interest or note regarding BFL and its employees activites".

[mem]

Poor mem... when I last had words with him, it came to light he was declared legally (in Australia anyway) mentally handicapped, so I apologized to him and told him I wouldn't engage with him anymore.  As much as I'd like to respond to him, I won't pick on the mentally challenged, no matter how deluded they are.  His nurse or whatever takes care of him once a week, I think it was, really needs to take away his internet privileges though.

This is the sad state of our community, this is a supposed representative of a company holding onto a significant amount of presales money.
Still it was refreshing to see such a short reply from Inaba............, you feeling ok buddy ?

[420]

mem, give them time to deliver their product on their schedule within reasonable discrepancy.

[Frizz23]

Quote from portal.butterflylabs.com: " ... NEW An as yet named 'Little Single' device which will hash at a rate of 30 GH/s and cost USD $649.00. ...".

When will this device be ready for (pre)order?

[davidspitzer]

Wow, don't visit the forum for a couple of days and I missed all the fun. I just saw the final specs on the SC line

YEAH!

cant wait BFL!