I am sadened to see that fact that this debate is never ending one, why? because of vendettas for some, and personal grudges or envious feelings for rest. It is exactly like driving around a roundabout now, which takes you no where?
There have been a lot of posts since I was here last time, so Instead of quoting them all individually, I will try to write a collective answer.
What do they want?
Its clear that more number of posts here are from either competitive casino owners, their co-owners or private investors. (Dah! sure! investing in public is a whole different animal isn't?) and their agenda is nothing but to slander Da Dice. I mean Exactly what proves that Da Dice is going to scam in future?. If you look at the odds for a second, OK! you say Da Dice doesn't have the funds it claims! I say OK! but what about those who does have the funds they claim? What is stopping them from running away and scamming their own investors? NOTHING! underline that, NOTHING!. Does NLNico, Dooglus offers their personal assurance in this matter? NONE! again underline my words there: NONE! PrimeDice, PocketRocketCasino, BitDice, MoneyPot vault all have equally or more odds of scamming before Da Dice does. I mean only an "stubborn idiot" will deny the fact that funds in cold storage are vulnerable as if they were in ordinary wallet of any program's admin either having proved solvency or not!.
Proof of solvency proves solvency. It's in the name. It doesn't prove anything about trustworthiness. It simply proves that they still have the coins they were entrusted with. Isn't that worth proving? Isn't it alarming if someone who you trusted to look after coins for you refuses to show you that they still have them and makes up weak excuses about why they can't?
..."It doesn't prove anything about
trustworthiness."... which concurs my point above.
What other wrong excuses you got? We kinda been over all of them already..
This "WE" from Nico speaks a thousand words! it reflects a vendetta and ganging up mind-set! You know what? Nevermind!
I demand no explaination there, don't bother.
... There and back again! Let me explain about cold wallet here.I don't how proud Nico is while posting an re-posting the same thing over and over again. I have already answered in my post before that PRC took about 8-10 months, BitDice took 6 months and MoneyPot had been accepting "private investors" since October 2014 or even before while cold storage is from 10th april 2015 (I know I know we've been over this, since it was a private bankroll, it didn't need a cold storage / proof of solvency) but our dear dooglus (whome I still respect) still had invested there and was one of their private investors back in 2014. Trust me I can keep going on about this, SatoshiDice might be since 2012 but both of their cold storage addresses signed and announced last month (April 2015), SafeDice the wallet is there since November 2014 but it was never announced in forums, nor I can find "any evidence" of having it published anywhere on internet before, I even tried the "waybackmachine".
It is not the cold storage that bothers Nico, before this it was some other technical issues, before that it was something else... and its all documented in main Da Dice thread.
Now lets address:
Trust Issues...I apologise but since the roots of this one goes back to dooglus, I have to quote doog here.
Proof of solvency proves solvency. It's in the name. It doesn't prove anything about trustworthiness.
yet negative
trust was added. I don't care why doog still defends it, when he has also admitted by saying
"I'm not claiming they are doing anything wrong.... It still obviously wouldn't stop them from being able to steal everyone's coins, but it would at least instil extra confidence in potential investors."[/i]
I guess so. But at what point? I'm horrible at predicting the future. I thought dicebitco.in and dice.ninja were the good guys, and that PRC wouldn't last 6 months. I was wrong in all 3 cases...
Mr. dooglus
I know that you have not accused da dice of being an scam. You are may be making yet another "prediction" by pointing out yet another "potential scam"... (which, in your own words, has more chances of being completely way off beam!)
Now my question is When they are not accepting any public investors any more, how come they can turn scam? By not honouring withdrawals? right? right? Well you will never know until you find a real such case here and again the odds of this happening here is same as any other site. If you don't believe me just go to google and type "PrimeDice scam", "Just-dice Scam", "PockRocketCasino Scam"... I am not sure if "Da Dice scam" are indexed yet by google or not lol. Most of them will link you back to BCT and OPs are not what they call "shill" accounts, they are also from members having "Hero" ranks and no negative trust... (I know I know for fact that JD and PD are not scams, I still have my faith in you doog!!!)
As I said before, I know doog you're concerned for health of bitcoin dice/gambling industry, but so far all your concerns are merely accusations, allegations and speculations which renders your negative trust totally baseless. I am not saying you remove it, all I am saying is that I leave it upto your wisdom
p.s. One casino owner gives a negative trust rating to another casino owner... I mean come on guys!
Bankroll IssueNothing much to say here, since I will be quoting Nico and Doog here again so I will rather not do that and simply go ahead with my answer: Since the investment option is now private, primarly factor here is that bankroll amount does NOT concern you and general public anymore. For all we know, they can decrease there bankroll to 150 BTC anytime or either increase it to 1000 BTC when they find necessary. The max-payout issue is now none of the concern of general public? Let me give you an example,,, Stunna and his PD. Stunna has used the term "bankroll" numerious times which reflects they also have a bankroll which they have choosen to hide. (Unless a dooglus has done a private audit for PrimeDice lol) there max payout used to be 40 BTC, after some unfortunate incidents its also 20 BTC there... what is the difference in PD and DD now? One chooses to hide its bankroll while other one has made its bankroll private now but still hopes to come back and take investors in future so still shows the bankroll amount.
Conclusion for everyone:
Da Dice doesn't want to show you their books! period! since the bankroll is now private, max payout amount is also none of anybodys concern. Read my above post once again please.
Isn't everyone doing a little unjust?* Da Dice as far as I know is the only site which "officially" provides real-time statistics site.
* Da Dice as far as I know is the only site that provides complete transparency in users related statistics. You can literally see there how much a USER has DEPOSITED, WITHDRAWN, CALIMED FROM FAUCET, WAGERED, PAYOUTS, TIPS SENT, TIPS RECEIVED, NUMBER OF DOWNLINES, REF. COMMISSION EARNED...
* Email notifications on various events to ensure Da Dice can do no wrong. (Some programs have been known to send large bitcoin to wrong addresses) with email notification there is a proof of action on various events.
* Personalised daily gameplay reports via email.
Other dice owners should follow this example first and provide complete TRANSPARENCY such as that so we can also see and learn more about their users and site's efficiency. Don't match one of two items from above, I am talking about the whole thing. Yes! Da Dice still doesn't want to justify its solvency or show you the its books but it still provides more transparency then any other dice site. Reckon that!
Shill Accounts?Keeping it real comprehensive: BitcoinTalk is merely a minor component of Bitcoin industry, but Bitcoin industry is not Bitcointalk!!! So when a new user comes it doesn't necessarily mean they are the shill accounts. This should be enough for any smart fellow.
Just a minor amendment... Number of "shill accounts" in favour or Da Dice still doesn't beat the number of "shill accounts" bashing / slandering Da Dice.
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Alright guys! The whole "whore show" must come to an end now, enough bashing Da Dice, pack up your knieves and hammer and come back next time Da Dice invites you to invest publically without proving >solvency< --- I know I know everyone is thrilled with rapid development at Da Dice, its fast popularity, huge marketing campaigns and giveaways as even one of the criticizer here admitted he has been paid 1 BTC or more by Da Dice but they still don't want to show you their books! And after investment option is gone, you have no right to ask for it!
(I am really really hurt to admit this
but:)Dean did the "right" thing by leaving this discussion. Rest should follow his example and spend their time more productively on their own sites now.
Remember
"innocent until proven guilty, NOT the other way around."so to conclude this: ONLY TIME WILL TELL, THERE ARE 2 GROUPS NATURALLY, ONE THAT SUPPORTS DA DICE AND OTHER THAT SPREADS FUD, ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS OF THIS WHOLE DEBATE WILL BE "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" BY EITHER SIDE. BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME
Again, Everyone, Your valued time could be spend more productively (of course unless there are financial/corporate interests in keep bashing Da Dice without any concrete evidence).[/size]
