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[dooglus]

It is unfair that so many people on default list gave dadice and dadice staff neg rate and dadice has never scammed anyone.

There's no point leaving feedback after a site has run off with everyone's coins and shut down. The time to warn people is before it's too late, not after.

But see this real scam site btcbook.eu, OP only gets 1 neg trust, it is very obvious that those people have double standards against scams, gave you innocent guys with red trust, but don't give real scam neg turst?

I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I didn't leave feedback for btcbook.eu is that this is the very first time I heard of them. It's not my job to make sure I leave negative feedback for every dodgy site out there. If I see something suspicious, I mention it. DaDice's behaviour seems suspicious to me, so I mentioned it.

See the link, this site has run away with users' funds for a month   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864590.520  But his rate is -2, how can non-scam dadice got -16(some days ago, now is -4)??

I don't think anyone can know yet whether DaDice is going to scam their players or not. There's no proof either way. I can't say it's a scam, and I don't think you can be sure that it isn't. DaDice probably gets more attention because they pay to have more attention. There's probably nobody on this forum who hasn't seen a DaDice ad whereas btcbook.eu are relatively obscure.

[shitaifan2013]

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills  

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv

edit: post of leen93 confirming his deposit adress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11399414#msg11399414

[marcotheminer]

We started as a commercial dice site, not a 'hobby business' like all the others started as. Me and my partners have invested significant funds into this venture and will continue to do so in the months to come. End of story. We don't have to prove nothing, especially not in this forum. Who doesn't like us is welcome to stay away

That's one way to turn away potential users. Simple thing to do: prove you have funds. No loss if you do so but big potential gains if you do so. Now if you don't do it.. (result is what's happening here).

[marcotheminer]

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills  

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv

Interesting, quoting for the moment to re-read.

Looks like you're right..

[dooglus]

So far we have honored each and every withdrawal request.

That is what every scammer says while they're in the "building trust" phase of the scam.

Try going to any Ponzi scam thread and warning that it is a scam. Their first defence is always "but we are paying"...

Well dog, I thought you said you will stay away from here last time, or am I mistaken? Or is our growth still bothering you?

Anyway, you should know better that a dice site is not a ponzi scheme, can't even be compared to a ponzi. We deal with players here at dadice. If they win they withdraw their profits, if they loose they loose.

Just to inform you what a ponzi is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

I'm not good at staying away, sorry. I don't know if you are growing or not, and I'm not bothered whether you are or not.

I didn't say you were a Ponzi scheme. I said that your "so far we are still allowing withdrawals" argument is typical of Ponzi schemes.

I know what a Ponzi scheme is, thanks.

[dooglus]

So far we have honored each and every withdrawal request.

That is what every scammer says while they're in the "building trust" phase of the scam.

Try going to any Ponzi scam thread and warning that it is a scam. Their first defence is always "but we are paying"...

To fair, it's also exactly what every honest person says who pays and plans to continue to pay.  It's not logical to act like pointing to a solid reputation is an indicator of guilt.

To be honest, I think that the fair, well-meaning advice for everyone to caveat emptor when dealing with dadice was quite fair.  But I think turning that into a continual harping, and now trolling is pretty shameful.

I'm not trolling. They seem to think that "we have honoured all withdrawals so far" somehow proves that they aren't insolvent. It doesn't, as can be seen by the fact that it is used by Ponzi schemes, who are by definition insolvent.

[dadice]

We started as a commercial dice site, not a 'hobby business' like all the others started as. Me and my partners have invested significant funds into this venture and will continue to do so in the months to come. End of story. We don't have to prove nothing, especially not in this forum. Who doesn't like us is welcome to stay away

That's one way to turn away potential users. Simple thing to do: prove you have funds. No loss if you do so but big potential gains if you do so. Now if you don't do it.. (result is what's happening here).

Ask your boss first to prove their funds. You should know that they are currently the most shady exchange existing, more then btc-e, who have the benefit of being online for a long time.

[vendetahome]

people just want to be sure that you are not a scammer (as happened with dice.ninja and the new saw dice) and your behavior lets them think that you might be another runner

[marcotheminer]

We started as a commercial dice site, not a 'hobby business' like all the others started as. Me and my partners have invested significant funds into this venture and will continue to do so in the months to come. End of story. We don't have to prove nothing, especially not in this forum. Who doesn't like us is welcome to stay away

That's one way to turn away potential users. Simple thing to do: prove you have funds. No loss if you do so but big potential gains if you do so. Now if you don't do it.. (result is what's happening here).

Ask your boss first to prove their funds. You should know that they are currently the most shady exchange existing, more then btc-e, who have the benefit of being online for a long time.

I'll let Bit-X know .

[mfaspk]

I didn't say you were a Ponzi scheme. I said that your "so far we are still allowing withdrawals" argument is typical of Ponzi schemes.
I know what a Ponzi scheme is, thanks.

I guess so. But at what point? I'm horrible at predicting the future. I thought dicebitco.in and dice.ninja were the good guys, and that PRC wouldn't last 6 months. I was wrong in all 3 cases...

Proof of solvency proves solvency. It's in the name. It doesn't prove anything about trustworthiness. It simply proves that they still have the coins they were entrusted with. Isn't that worth proving? Isn't it alarming if someone who you trusted to look after coins for you refuses to show you that they still have them and makes up weak excuses about why they can't?

How dooglus rolls:

1. "hey! I am not saying they are not trustworty!!"
2. "hey! I am not saying they are a ponzi!!!"
3. "hey! I am not saying they would scam!!!"
4. "hey! I am always wrong at predicting future but I wouldn't give it up, why should I?"
5. "hey! I don't think they will run away with funds but they still could??"

..."I will still leave a negative trust here, eventhough I don't think they are not trustworthy"

https://i.imgur.com/9BvvhNK.png

[dadice]

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills  

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv



edit: post of leen93 confirming his deposit adress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11399414#msg11399414

Leen divested her investment more than 2 weeks ago, gambled and lost it all. So it was our money in this wallet, wasn't it. All the regular guys in our chat can confirm that, since she was crying there for hours how she could do something like this. On another not the same leen was winning 18btc with one bet at dadice just a week before that incident and withdrew all. That can also be confirmed by our regulars - or herself. As the other poster just confirmed, we are the only dice site with transparent statistics.

[marcotheminer]

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills 

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv



edit: post of leen93 confirming his deposit adress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11399414#msg11399414

Leen divested her investment more than 2 weeks ago, gambled and lost it all. So it was our money in this wallet, wasn't it. All the regular guys in our chat can confirm that, since she was crying there for hours how she could do something like this. On another not the same leen was winning 18btc with one bet at dadice just a week before that incident and withdrew all. That can also be confirmed by our regulars - or herself. As the other poster just confirmed, we are the only dice site with transparent statistics.

And all of it was dadice's profit? None went to the investors? I could be wrong, just clearing this up .

[dadice]

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills 

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv



edit: post of leen93 confirming his deposit adress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11399414#msg11399414

Leen divested her investment more than 2 weeks ago, gambled and lost it all. So it was our money in this wallet, wasn't it. All the regular guys in our chat can confirm that, since she was crying there for hours how she could do something like this. On another not the same leen was winning 18btc with one bet at dadice just a week before that incident and withdrew all. That can also be confirmed by our regulars - or herself. As the other poster just confirmed, we are the only dice site with transparent statistics.

And all of it was dadice's profit? None went to the investors? I could be wrong, just clearing this up .

lol you understand a shit about dice sites

Our investors are earning funds according to their share of the bankroll if one is losing, as leen did. So they earned of course their share of her loss. Other way around a few day earlier, when she won 18 btc.

[shitaifan2013]

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills  

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv



edit: post of leen93 confirming his deposit adress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11399414#msg11399414

Leen divested her investment more than 2 weeks ago, gambled and lost it all. So it was our money in this wallet, wasn't it. All the regular guys in our chat can confirm that, since she was crying there for hours how she could do something like this. On another not the same leen was winning 18btc with one bet at dadice just a week before that incident and withdrew all. That can also be confirmed by our regulars - or herself. As the other poster just confirmed, we are the only dice site with transparent statistics.

I undestood Marcos question that way, that he wanted to know if any site profit was used for the campaign, which I just proved. while you claim some initial budget was solely used for that.

maybe I understood Marcos wrong.

[mfaspk]

...As the other poster just confirmed, we are the only dice site with transparent statistics.

They'll either want to kill you, kiss you, or be you.

- Suzanne Collins, Mockingjay

all dooglus, and co has to offer is "speculations", "rumors", "personal opinions and vendetta posted over and over again"... Dean proved to be a smarter one! +1 Dean, -1 Doog.


Very sad to see dooglus being a total FUD... "I don't think they are scam, but could be a scam!" I mean "wtf? is that?"

[cazkooo]

I undestood Marcos question that way, that he wanted to know if any site profit was used for the campaign, which I just proved. while you claim some initial budget was solely used for that.

maybe I understood Marcos wrong.

If it is so then I have asked this question few minutes ago but I think dadice is too busy replying or fighting with dooglus and the other here. My question is still not answered here dadice, if you have some time then you can answer it

Is dadice paying signature campaign funds out of their own pockets or out of their cut of site profits?

Everything is paid from our initial budget: Salaries, campaigns, bonuses, advertising, other expenses. As it was explained before, we couldn't have done so with our current profits.

By budget does this mean this including your investor fund? I believe you still have a few private investor that stick with you. Without you providing cold address it is hard to look at this if you are paying from your investor fund or no because you spend like more than 15 btc just for promotions in 1 month I guess

[Da_Dice_Staff]

If you had bothered to read the previous posts you would have understood the reasoning especially with the removal of the investments now. I said it before and I will say it again.

Our players both loyal older players and new are all happy with DaDice. It is therefore no concern of yours seeing as you are neither.

The same goes to all of those who are not members/players on DaDice. Your comments and actions on this thread are well described by clevarookie in earlier posts. You have said your pieces and have had those anwers DaDice would give. If you feel that you have warned people then fair enough, you may now withdraw with your conscious at ease.

However. I dare each and every one of you to look back on this in a few months time and if proven wrong I personally expect you to admit your errors and apologise here in that particualr instance. Until then please refrain from the continued and quite childish FUD spamming

once again I am posting my own statement from earlier. Allow me to reiterate a key point from above: If you feel that you have warned people then fair enough, you may now withdraw with your conscious at ease.

All this is doing from my perspective is attempting to pick at an old wound that doesn't even exist any more. mfaspk had it exactly right above yet the arguments here devolve into the same ridiculous rehashing of the same points without ever taking into account points like the above. Quite frankly it's like a childrens playground. So some of you don't trust us. wow that's fantastic you've made your point and the evidence is there. Continual rehashing only makes you look desperate for attention. Like the boy who cried wolf. and yet as mentioned before a real scam is happening under your bloody noses but because DaDice is growing so quickly you have to focus there than on the real issues.

[mfaspk]

once again I am posting my own statement from earlier. Allow me to reiterate a key point from above: If you feel that you have warned people then fair enough, you may now withdraw with your conscious at ease.

What the fuck are you thinking? These people have any reasoning? rational thoughts?  This is a bunch of evnious FUD-trolls. All of them trolls and their puppies either run a DICE site or public/private investor of some dice site. Just look at logic of "dooglus":

I didn't say you were a Ponzi scheme. I said that your "so far we are still allowing withdrawals" argument is typical of Ponzi schemes.
I know what a Ponzi scheme is, thanks.

I guess so. But at what point? I'm horrible at predicting the future. I thought dicebitco.in and dice.ninja were the good guys, and that PRC wouldn't last 6 months. I was wrong in all 3 cases...

Proof of solvency proves solvency. It's in the name. It doesn't prove anything about trustworthiness. It simply proves that they still have the coins they were entrusted with. Isn't that worth proving? Isn't it alarming if someone who you trusted to look after coins for you refuses to show you that they still have them and makes up weak excuses about why they can't?

How dooglus rolls:

1. "hey! I am not saying they are not trustworty!!"
2. "hey! I am not saying they are a ponzi!!!"
3. "hey! I am not saying they would scam!!!"
4. "hey! I am always wrong at predicting future but I wouldn't give it up, why should I?"
5. "hey! I don't think they will run away with funds but they still could??"

..."I will still leave a negative trust here, eventhough I don't think they are not trustworthy"

https://i.imgur.com/9BvvhNK.png

[dadice]

If you had bothered to read the previous posts you would have understood the reasoning especially with the removal of the investments now. I said it before and I will say it again.

Our players both loyal older players and new are all happy with DaDice. It is therefore no concern of yours seeing as you are neither.

The same goes to all of those who are not members/players on DaDice. Your comments and actions on this thread are well described by clevarookie in earlier posts. You have said your pieces and have had those anwers DaDice would give. If you feel that you have warned people then fair enough, you may now withdraw with your conscious at ease.

However. I dare each and every one of you to look back on this in a few months time and if proven wrong I personally expect you to admit your errors and apologise here in that particualr instance. Until then please refrain from the continued and quite childish FUD spamming

once again I am posting my own statement from earlier. Allow me to reiterate a key point from above: If you feel that you have warned people then fair enough, you may now withdraw with your conscious at ease.

All this is doing from my perspective is attempting to pick at an old wound that doesn't even exist any more. mfaspk had it exactly right above yet the arguments here devolve into the same ridiculous rehashing of the same points without ever taking into account points like the above. Quite frankly it's like a childrens playground. So some of you don't trust us. wow that's fantastic you've made your point and the evidence is there. Continual rehashing only makes you look desperate for attention. Like the boy who cried wolf. and yet as mentioned before a real scam is happening under your bloody noses but because DaDice is growing so quickly you have to focus there than on the real issues.

Well it seems to me that most people here are immature. Even Theymos I have learned is still a college kid....

[RHavar]

Its clear that more number of posts here are from either competitive casino owners, their co-owners or private investors. (Dah! sure! investing in public is a whole different animal isn't?) and their agenda is nothing but to slander Da Dice.

I think you are intentionally misframing the debate. As a casino owner, I routinely recommend competitors and I have absolutely zero hostility any of them, in fact, I've even helped a number of them set up clones of bustabit using our source code. And just today today I was talking on chat about how much I like playing luckyb.it, I think PrimeDice is one of the most trustworthy sites out there, etc. I've told a number of investors that from a pure maths point of view, PRC and bitdice.me are strictly better investments than MP (due to higher bankroll turnover). I think JD has the best site operator out there, period . etc.

And yes, I'm concerned about DaDice's solvency and would not recommend anyone to play there until they sort it out. Feel free to deride me for being a jealous competitor, but we both know that's nonsense.

MoneyPot had been accepting "private investors" since October 2014 or even before while cold storage is from 10th april 2015 (I know I know we've been over this, since it was a private bankroll, it didn't need a cold storage / proof of solvency) but our dear dooglus (whome I still respect) still had invested there and was one of their private investors back in 2014.

We already covered this. The private investors transferred zero coins, they only agreed to pay if the site took a loss and be paid if the site made money. The site made money, they got paid. End of story. What do you want, proof of 0 coins?