[ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now

[philipma1957]

Well at least these guys seem to be promoting the whole open source thing, and are mainly interested in selling chips. People are already working with their designs and could have an open sourced miner pretty quickly.

And what that change if chips will be priced like 50$? No one will make open sourced miners becuse it will not to be economical...

if is the biggest 2 letter word in the English language.

What if they had 1,000,000 chips made each one cost them 4 dollars. Or 4,000,000 for the lot

They are clever and realize selling 600,000 at 12 dollars each = 7.2 million a nice 3.2 million profit - shipping and other expenses =  Maybe 2 million profit and 400,000 free chips.

My point is selling at 12 to 20 a chip is feasible.  Base on my if just as much as selling for 50 a chip on your if.

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[sloopy]

While I can see some small advantages to a large and diverse mining base, it doesn't seem to be REQUIRED by any stretch of the imagination. Why would 10,000 30TH miners be better than 30 10PH mining farms for an aggregate of 300 PH let's say of hashrate? What's the threshold for "decentralized" and why must Bitcoin be decentralized to survive? It seems to me that in 50 years, long after I care, we'll want the most efficient "mining" (really transaction processing) setup to get by on the slender fees provided by transactions and the fraction of a new BTC in every block.

I understand the visceral reaction to a few large mining farms, but I haven't seen a compelling argument beyond the 51% attack scenario. It feels like the desire for a "miner in every home" is more driven by nostalgia of a few years ago than anything else.

You do not see the problem with 2 or 3 conglomerates controlling all of the mining?

In my humble opinion it will cause a huge transformation, albeit not the one we want.
Unfortunately, the direction mining is on is causing a 180 degree turn.
Where bitcoin was about taking the control from the 'bankers' and putting it in the hands of many, it is now headed right back in control of the bankers, which are the people who own and fund the largest corporations, who are the people who own these conglomerates. While the technology will certainly enable the 'unbanked' the access they need. The people who profit from this will be the same greedy bastards who have our world in the economic quagmire where we keep sinking.

The less choices you and I have equals less votes we may cast. Without the 'Spondoolies of December 2014' mindset you will see these mega companies lose touch with what having a customer is all about. The larger they get, the less they care about what one individual thinks.

IF your only goal is a less expensive bitcoin process then centralization is the answer. Personally I do not believe that was the intent of the creator. Unfortunately, I do not think Satoshi is the all-knowing, crystal ball yielding, wizard so many seem to think. I believe he simply made an error in choosing a mining process so easily centralized.
If you want to make the world we live in a better place then you get back to decentralization and the core team would implement radical changes which forced such and threw the entire landscape into a frenzy.

There should be an upheaval sooner than later to rectify the mistakes made by Satoshi by changing bitcoin to a completely new mining model which has a better chance of surviving.

Bitcoin has the best chance of being the one world currency because it will be easily controlled by our governments through the mining process much sooner than it ever should have been. It will be adopted, regulated, and controlled by the same people most of us complain about today.


See my reply here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186801.msg11297696#msg11297696

I think this is completely on topic and I feel strongly about the direction our beloved BITCOIN has taken. While the technology of the blockchain has forever changed our lives in a positive way, and it will never go back in the box; bitcoin as a currency is doomed to fail where it concerns who continues to control our economic future. At this point in our evolution that was the single biggest thing I saw it have the power to accomplish.

If you want to change something you better be great at convincing the right people it needs to be changed. The right people are always the ones with the most money, unfortunately.

My main point would be if bitcoin mining only leads to a few people controlling it no matter what advantages are gained from that scenario it simply leads back to the same old problems we have now.
No amount of technological advances will ever be as useful to humankind as the power to vote.


Sfards better get a real miner to market quickly. Bitmain are probably already mining with next gen, and I imagine SPtech as well. The home mining market has shrunk for various reasons, but with such a dry spell of offerings today is the best time to market to us. I fear they are all self-mining. Understandable from a business stand point as it is, it is another nail in the coffin of what bitcoin was originally intended to be.

Do you think the current price of bitcoin causes any of the major players to lose money? Not based on any model created within the past few months, and it is certainly not a problem for Bitmain type companies. We pay the difference. The price of the coin will rise, but will it be enough for anyone except KNC, Bitmain, and the new SPtech partnerships? They are making profits at the current price, and will continue to do so until they are all one big happy family owned by the banking systems.

[philipma1957]

While I can see some small advantages to a large and diverse mining base, it doesn't seem to be REQUIRED by any stretch of the imagination. Why would 10,000 30TH miners be better than 30 10PH mining farms for an aggregate of 300 PH let's say of hashrate? What's the threshold for "decentralized" and why must Bitcoin be decentralized to survive? It seems to me that in 50 years, long after I care, we'll want the most efficient "mining" (really transaction processing) setup to get by on the slender fees provided by transactions and the fraction of a new BTC in every block.

I understand the visceral reaction to a few large mining farms, but I haven't seen a compelling argument beyond the 51% attack scenario. It feels like the desire for a "miner in every home" is more driven by nostalgia of a few years ago than anything else.

You do not see the problem with 2 or 3 conglomerates controlling all of the mining?

In my humble opinion it will cause a huge transformation, albeit not the one we want.
Unfortunately, the direction mining is on is causing a 180 degree turn.
Where bitcoin was about taking the control from the 'bankers' and putting it in the hands of many, it is now headed right back in control of the bankers, which are the people who own and fund the largest corporations, who are the people who own these conglomerates. While the technology will certainly enable the 'unbanked' the access they need. The people who profit from this will be the same greedy bastards who have our world in the economic quagmire where we keep sinking.

The less choices you and I have equals less votes we may cast. Without the 'Spondoolies of December 2014' mindset you will see these mega companies lose touch with what having a customer is all about. The larger they get, the less they care about what one individual thinks.

IF your only goal is a less expensive bitcoin process then centralization is the answer. Personally I do not believe that was the intent of the creator. Unfortunately, I do not think Satoshi is the all-knowing, crystal ball yielding, wizard so many seem to think. I believe he simply made an error in choosing a mining process so easily centralized.
If you want to make the world we live in a better place then you get back to decentralization and the core team would implement radical changes which forced such and threw the entire landscape into a frenzy.

There should be an upheaval sooner than later to rectify the mistakes made by Satoshi by changing bitcoin to a completely new mining model which has a better chance of surviving.

Bitcoin has the best chance of being the one world currency because it will be easily controlled by our governments through the mining process much sooner than it ever should have been. It will be adopted, regulated, and controlled by the same people most of us complain about today.


See my reply here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186801.msg11297696#msg11297696

I think this is completely on topic and I feel strongly about the direction our beloved BITCOIN has taken. While the technology of the blockchain has forever changed our lives in a positive way, and it will never go back in the box; bitcoin as a currency is doomed to fail where it concerns who continues to control our economic future. At this point in our evolution that was the single biggest thing I saw it have the power to accomplish.

If you want to change something you better be great at convincing the right people it needs to be changed. The right people are always the ones with the most money, unfortunately.

My main point would be if bitcoin mining only leads to a few people controlling it no matter what advantages are gained from that scenario it simply leads back to the same old problems we have now.
No amount of technological advances will ever be as useful to humankind as the power to vote.


Sfards better get a real miner to market quickly. Bitmain are probably already mining with next gen, and I imagine SPtech as well. The home mining market has shrunk for various reasons, but with such a dry spell of offerings today is the best time to market to us. I fear they are all self-mining. Understandable from a business stand point as it is, it is another nail in the coffin of what bitcoin was originally intended to be.

Do you think the current price of bitcoin causes any of the major players to lose money? Not based on any model created within the past few months, and it is certainly not a problem for Bitmain type companies. We pay the difference. The price of the coin will rise, but will it be enough for anyone except KNC, Bitmain, and the new SPtech partnerships? They are making profits at the current price, and will continue to do so until they are all one big happy family owned by the banking systems.

 yeah but look at f2pool and antpool they add to about 130ph

 50ph minimum is for small miners.  Many miners are small and mining and are not going anywhere why is that?

They have 1kwatt or 2watts of dirt cheap power.  

I have access to 1 kwatt of 2.4 cents.  I also need heat where those miners are located. I will always look to mine  close to my 1kwatt of power in that spot.

 My 3 s-3's  set to use 900 watts and run 1150 gh can earn profit at a diff of 200.  While that may be all I ever mine there are others like me

[jstefanop]

Well at least these guys seem to be promoting the whole open source thing, and are mainly interested in selling chips. People are already working with their designs and could have an open sourced miner pretty quickly.

And what that change if chips will be priced like 50$? No one will make open sourced miners becuse it will not to be economical...

if is the biggest 2 letter word in the English language.

What if they had 1,000,000 chips made each one cost them 4 dollars. Or 4,000,000 for the lot

They are clever and realize selling 600,000 at 12 dollars each = 7.2 million a nice 3.2 million profit - shipping and other expenses =  Maybe 2 million profit and 400,000 free chips.

My point is selling at 12 to 20 a chip is feasible.  Base on my if just as much as selling for 50 a chip on your if.

Lets say you can buy them at 15  chip...that would be pretty nice....24 chips = 2TH = 360 in chip costs.

How much could the board cost for this? Lets say 2 boards at 12 chips each...20 bucks a board from china?

Slap then inside your existing cases and fans and your looking at a little over 200 bucks per TH.

Would drool if that would be achievable to do with these.

[philipma1957]

Well at least these guys seem to be promoting the whole open source thing, and are mainly interested in selling chips. People are already working with their designs and could have an open sourced miner pretty quickly.

And what that change if chips will be priced like 50$? No one will make open sourced miners becuse it will not to be economical...

if is the biggest 2 letter word in the English language.

What if they had 1,000,000 chips made each one cost them 4 dollars. Or 4,000,000 for the lot

They are clever and realize selling 600,000 at 12 dollars each = 7.2 million a nice 3.2 million profit - shipping and other expenses =  Maybe 2 million profit and 400,000 free chips.

My point is selling at 12 to 20 a chip is feasible.  Base on my if just as much as selling for 50 a chip on your if.

Lets say you can buy them at 15  chip...that would be pretty nice....24 chips = 2TH = 360 in chip costs.

How much could the board cost for this? Lets say 2 boards at 12 chips each...20 bucks a board from china?

Slap then inside your existing cases and fans and your looking at a little over 200 bucks per TH.

Would drool if that would be achievable to do with these.

if I can get a 2th miner for 600 usd doing .4 watts for btc and some ltc on the side I would be more then happy.

[sloopy]

While I can see some small advantages to a large and diverse mining base, it doesn't seem to be REQUIRED by any stretch of the imagination. Why would 10,000 30TH miners be better than 30 10PH mining farms for an aggregate of 300 PH let's say of hashrate? What's the threshold for "decentralized" and why must Bitcoin be decentralized to survive? It seems to me that in 50 years, long after I care, we'll want the most efficient "mining" (really transaction processing) setup to get by on the slender fees provided by transactions and the fraction of a new BTC in every block.

I understand the visceral reaction to a few large mining farms, but I haven't seen a compelling argument beyond the 51% attack scenario. It feels like the desire for a "miner in every home" is more driven by nostalgia of a few years ago than anything else.

You do not see the problem with 2 or 3 conglomerates controlling all of the mining?

In my humble opinion it will cause a huge transformation, albeit not the one we want.
Unfortunately, the direction mining is on is causing a 180 degree turn.
Where bitcoin was about taking the control from the 'bankers' and putting it in the hands of many, it is now headed right back in control of the bankers, which are the people who own and fund the largest corporations, who are the people who own these conglomerates. While the technology will certainly enable the 'unbanked' the access they need. The people who profit from this will be the same greedy bastards who have our world in the economic quagmire where we keep sinking.

The less choices you and I have equals less votes we may cast. Without the 'Spondoolies of December 2014' mindset you will see these mega companies lose touch with what having a customer is all about. The larger they get, the less they care about what one individual thinks.

IF your only goal is a less expensive bitcoin process then centralization is the answer. Personally I do not believe that was the intent of the creator. Unfortunately, I do not think Satoshi is the all-knowing, crystal ball yielding, wizard so many seem to think. I believe he simply made an error in choosing a mining process so easily centralized.
If you want to make the world we live in a better place then you get back to decentralization and the core team would implement radical changes which forced such and threw the entire landscape into a frenzy.

There should be an upheaval sooner than later to rectify the mistakes made by Satoshi by changing bitcoin to a completely new mining model which has a better chance of surviving.

Bitcoin has the best chance of being the one world currency because it will be easily controlled by our governments through the mining process much sooner than it ever should have been. It will be adopted, regulated, and controlled by the same people most of us complain about today.


See my reply here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186801.msg11297696#msg11297696

I think this is completely on topic and I feel strongly about the direction our beloved BITCOIN has taken. While the technology of the blockchain has forever changed our lives in a positive way, and it will never go back in the box; bitcoin as a currency is doomed to fail where it concerns who continues to control our economic future. At this point in our evolution that was the single biggest thing I saw it have the power to accomplish.

If you want to change something you better be great at convincing the right people it needs to be changed. The right people are always the ones with the most money, unfortunately.

My main point would be if bitcoin mining only leads to a few people controlling it no matter what advantages are gained from that scenario it simply leads back to the same old problems we have now.
No amount of technological advances will ever be as useful to humankind as the power to vote.


Sfards better get a real miner to market quickly. Bitmain are probably already mining with next gen, and I imagine SPtech as well. The home mining market has shrunk for various reasons, but with such a dry spell of offerings today is the best time to market to us. I fear they are all self-mining. Understandable from a business stand point as it is, it is another nail in the coffin of what bitcoin was originally intended to be.

Do you think the current price of bitcoin causes any of the major players to lose money? Not based on any model created within the past few months, and it is certainly not a problem for Bitmain type companies. We pay the difference. The price of the coin will rise, but will it be enough for anyone except KNC, Bitmain, and the new SPtech partnerships? They are making profits at the current price, and will continue to do so until they are all one big happy family owned by the banking systems.

 yeah but look at f2pool and antpool they add to about 130ph

 50ph minimum is for small miners.  Many miners are small and mining and are not going anywhere why is that?

They have 1kwatt or 2watts of dirt cheap power.  

I have access to 1 kwatt of 2.4 cents.  I also need heat where those miners are located. I will always look to mine  close to my 1kwatt of power in that spot.

 My 3 s-3's  set to use 900 watts and run 1150 gh can earn profit at a diff of 200.  While that may be all I ever mine there are others like me

Phillip, I always enjoy your posts. You have been someone I've followed with great interest. You have a distinct way of discussing advanced topics (topics which would require most people to have a great working knowledge to discuss) and using language which makes it easy for people with limited knowledge to not only understand, but feel comfortable enough to discuss.
I appreciate that, it has helped me understand more and faster, even if we happen to disagree, which isn't often.

I use the term 'bankers' to define the top echelon. The people who we all know are running the show. I don't think many would argue we are all one world and one humanity in the eyes of the worlds most powerful people. Obviously those are the worlds richest few. The few who own the Federal Reserve of the U.S.A. The ones who control the rest of the worlds most important currencies in their respective countries. Nothing I am saying should play as a conspiracy theory to anyone who is familiar with our financial systems. The ones with the most money own the current economic systems the world over. In doing so they make decisions which will have tremendous impacts on every single person in this world; Some ways good and some scenarios play out badly.

Many or most are old money. The oldest kind. So much money you or I could never spend it all unless we lived at a casino, had a serious gambling problem and had 50 friends helping us. I don't know if many people realize how simple this part of life is. Don't think USA, or UK, or Russia, Japan, China, Africa, simply think "us", the world.
we are all at those people's mercy to a point. Now look at how the US economy works: The Fed lets the the "bankers" bid on government bonds and other government securities and prints the money for them, the government pays interest obviously. That is the beginning of the whole system. Everywhere in the world has some equivalent.  Please keep that in mind for a few minutes once a week.

I have been researching this for a good bit of time. Well, since SPTech announced no more products aimed at the home miner. I agree with you and we need to work out a way so as home miners we can team up with a Krypto Kube or equivalent. The trust issues will be difficult, who decides where we mine, and so many other things we all love to tinker with, but it is doable, no doubt. Please consider my participation if you begin such and I think we should plan something today to talk with a manufacturer regarding who will provide products. I will PM you more on that note. This is another reason Sfards better get something running an end user can evaluate. I like Jabber and am confident he will bring something great to the table, and sidehack is after it with great ideas and progress but they may want it all for themselves and start ming. I am kidding I'm not saying or meaning to say anything bad about Jabber or sidehack, I am using them as examples, and no one can blame someone for making a profit from their investment unless the means they use are illegal or destructive in a way which is socially unacceptable. (Neither Jabber or Sidehack are probably going to "make out like bandits" on building miners unless, they were to receive millions in backing from our friendly banks.

Regarding the entire centralization / decentralization of POW Bitcoin mining I think this document explains some of my thoughts, opinions, and realistic concerns which have been around well before me. Bitcoin is not perfect, but should we ever stop trying to make it such? I think the core devs are doing great work, and I need to do more to understand how these issues have probably already been addressed by them. Surely they have thought about it and already implemented things to deal with it since the similar statements were being expressed in 2011. I didn't realize it was known at that point where mining would be today, and I'm not suggesting it was exactly known that Asics would rule the landscape within a year(ish), but it is obvious at least one person saw the issue of centralization still existing in bitcoin core, I am confident many more knew, discussed, and maybe even some accepted current limitations.

I cannot wait to see the (ideally) inexpensive dual miners Sfards will release. They could have a significant impact on making an impression to the community who are concerned our bitcoin mining will be controlled by few. They have an amazing marketing opportunity if they play it right. Step up Sfards, and use that point not only as a marketing tool but a real push to make it a reality. It could start with one company. The best things usually do, sometimes one mind.

I do not mean that as a setup for this document. It is simply one person's thoughts regarding the way bitcoin was at that snapshot in time. Today it requires further debate to easily address some of the issues this person thinks bitcoin has, or had.
But... it raises a couple of great thoughts and questions which again, relate to sfards as a company. From what I have seen Sfards is at a great position with good company in the bitcoin mining space who also has an opportunity to have a significant effect in the bitcoin landscape. The byproduct could be positive, negative, or neutral, because the primary goal of any for-profit company is, money money money, moneyyy... moneyy.
(I understand this a good thing for an economy. Capitalism is good.)

http://www.links.org/files/decentralised-currencies.pdf


If you read nothing I've said or anything else, please read section 5 of this document.
Then, take the people who could be in control of checkpoints, or the blockchain in general, and replace the core dev team statement with the "bankers" and owners of the Federal Reserve, along with the world's equivalent institutions to the Fed.

[philipma1957]

I read the document While it has interesting points I feel it does not really get deep into an efficient solution to distribute the new coin randomly.

Take a look at what BTC has done it has created a coin that people believe has value.
Pretty fucking amazing.

 

  Do you think this sells:


Hi guys I have Philcoin it is worth 10 btc . Send me 9 btc I will send you 1 Philcoin  as I will discount the coin to you by 10%

My goal is to buy every BTC in existence  with Philcoins.



Now I am just phil and we all know I can't do this.

 APPLE could since they have at least 100bill capital fund.

I do not think BTC will stay around for 30 years or more. I do think it will morph into something.

It is a worldwide item of value.
It can be accessed worldwide via the net.
There is a need for it.

[notlist3d]

I am an accountant at heart counting my debits and credits, my ideal miner brings ROI back using lower electricity and packing more of a punch.

Doge: DCX2BrWdLEAkbG39hnNy7QPDMdp3g9XvAm
LTC: LhjeiSU5cgXJGPUGa3nTjjqLoa2E4HFRDx

[philipma1957]

Nice promo should be fun for people.
I will post a DOGE and a LTC address shortly


D8jxCiXXCPn1fzE3vzywTf9DhPWEv4gtB3  = Doge


LMUmaAu2i194Vod4Pr8j3KDBXQ2zTVtiJb = LTC



My entry is as follows:

The ability to scale the miner's watts per gh  rather then flat line  watts per gh , IS really important.

I want a miner that has a huge freq range and a huge volt setting range.
This allows for maximum flexibility for every miner using it.
Cooling and fan speeds need to be able to scale wide. Thus a quiet highly efficient miner is one and the same with a loud high hashing power hungry miner.   Just depends on what you need for your setup you get to set it the way you need it to be.

 Lastly  the gui should have 4 or more pools not 3 or less pools. With balanced option or rollover option.

[Zich]

I would like the miner come with button to activate power save mode, normal mode and turbo mode.
The setting for that 3 mode should be adjustable via web interface.




Doge: DP2DPsCrmXjrNoGEyc412FRsHsEpEmX3JB
LTC : LXL1QvtXamjoD55eAeK2YfJ3bWv9UcKiwR

[notlist3d]

Is this one per person on entry? Or can we do multiple with the multiple prize most creative, most controversial, appealing design?  Each just seems like different ideas to me.

Doge: DCX2BrWdLEAkbG39hnNy7QPDMdp3g9XvAm
LTC: LhjeiSU5cgXJGPUGa3nTjjqLoa2E4HFRDx

*Someone deleted a post and mine went from 450 to 449.  This contest might be more interesting to watch then I thought.  The whole system can be played by someone who has posted earlier in post.  With it being  philipma1957 in 450 now I know he would not do it, but someone did.   Looks like it was contest post weird contest post taken down.

I post this not mad about moving up a slot, but in a effort for a new system to be found that cannot be played by deleting of posts. If someone in middle of posts deletes old post we have no reference of what caused it.

[philipma1957]

My controversial miner.

Would be a  miner that is designed as a usb hub miner but it has 4gb of storage that you can access and program the miner's gui to mine/

This would mean it would automatically mine in any pc 's usb that you plug it into as long as the pc has an internet connection.  The twister would be it works for 1 hour then turns off for 1 hour.
 So that sipping too much juice from the owner of the pc would be prevented. Kind of a do not be greedy governor.


My doge address is D8jxCiXXCPn1fzE3vzywTf9DhPWEv4gtB3

My Ltc address is LMUmaAu2i194Vod4Pr8j3KDBXQ2zTVtiJb

[Zich]

My controversial design:

I would like the miner come with wireless router(2.4GHz & 5GHz) capability.


Doge: DP2DPsCrmXjrNoGEyc412FRsHsEpEmX3JB
LTC : LXL1QvtXamjoD55eAeK2YfJ3bWv9UcKiwR

[Zich]

.....
*Someone deleted a post and mine went from 450 to 449.  This contest might be more interesting to watch then I thought.  The whole system can be played by someone who has posted earlier in post.  With it being  philipma1957 in 450 now I know he would not do it, but someone did.   Looks like it was contest post weird contest post taken down.

I post this not mad about moving up a slot, but in a effort for a new system to be found that cannot be played by deleting of posts. If someone in middle of posts deletes old post we have no reference of what caused it.

It's OP, the contest announcement is gone 

[notlist3d]

.....
*Someone deleted a post and mine went from 450 to 449.  This contest might be more interesting to watch then I thought.  The whole system can be played by someone who has posted earlier in post.  With it being  philipma1957 in 450 now I know he would not do it, but someone did.   Looks like it was contest post weird contest post taken down.

I post this not mad about moving up a slot, but in a effort for a new system to be found that cannot be played by deleting of posts. If someone in middle of posts deletes old post we have no reference of what caused it.

It's OP, the contest announcement is gone  

Not sure post sure is gone about contest.   Maybe launched early?  It mentioned winner got a miner I thought was weird as we have not seen one... so maybe was meant to be launched with miner whenever that is.

[philipma1957]

yeah they can take my ideas  and use them I don't mind not winning .  


 Said it would be 5-11 china time.

well it is gone.

@ op    Like I said feel free to use my ideas. no charge.

[notlist3d]

yeah they can take my ideas  and use them I don't mind not winning .  

And I'm not worried about that I know you of all people would not cheat.   You are one of the few people who have my trust So you jumping to 450 instead of me is not a big deal.  That is if contest is still on.

Oh well guess got me to think. Guess we will find out later what happened.

[Sfards]

So So So...Sorry guys, we just find some bugs in our contest, such as someone delete the reply and the floor number will change at once, and we cannot calculate the specific reward correctly. And our new rule haven't determine, we will publish the new rules as soon as possible. Sorry for our mistake and thank you for your participate. For the following people, @notlist3d, @philipma1957, @Zich, we will still send you our general reward 1000 dogecoins no matter you attend our new contest or not.

The link of the new rules:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1057425.0

Welcome to join us!

[philipma1957]

Sfards announcement:

Sorry guys, we just find some bugs in our contest, such as someone delete the reply and the floor number will change at once, and we cannot calculate the specific reward correctly. And our new rule haven't determine, we will publish the new rules as soon as possible. Sorry for our mistake and thank you for your participate. For the following people, @notlist3d, @philipma1957, @Zich, we will still send you our general reward 1000 dogecoins no matter you attend our new contest or not.

The link of the new rules will be updated here later.

okay makes sense.  thanks for letting us know. and thanks for the doge coins

[Zich]

So So So...Sorry guys, we just find some bugs in our contest, such as someone delete the reply and the floor number will change at once, and we cannot calculate the specific reward correctly. And our new rule haven't determine, we will publish the new rules as soon as possible. Sorry for our mistake and thank you for your participate. For the following people, @notlist3d, @philipma1957, @Zich, we will still send you our general reward 1000 dogecoins no matter you attend our new contest or not.

The link of the new rules will be updated here later.

No problem  
I hope the idea still under ours name  
Thanks for the doge rewards