[ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now

[dogie]

"expected to start shipping next week" (weibo).  Could just not have listed stock yet - keep an eye on it (as I know you will)

[Speculation] Was probably a tiny batch using test chips, so now a small gap until proper chip batches come through.

[GenTarkin]

4.5btc for this hardware?! thats fucking ridiculous! my gosh why are people paying for this shit?!

[Searing]

4.5btc for this hardware?! thats fucking ridiculous! my gosh why are people paying for this shit?!

again imho this device is just out there in 100 buck lots to 'wave the flag' on the chips and they have a miner

the chips are mostly gonna be used for their 'at cost' data hall imho or bulk sales of chips to others with same data hall ideas imho in china

if they manage to move a few of these units to some foolish folk no issues....they show an actual product

much easier to move them bulk chips imho showing any kind of product ..then just saying "Hey I got bulk chips that do such and such"

SFARDS never was serious about the equipment imho it was just a gimmick to move their chips and such as again imho think was their main

focus their 'I'm sure soon to be announced" soon DATA HALL using such chips and the call for big IPO $$$ of such in such it is what the

chip makers do now (spondoolies, knc, etc)

anyway how I see their logic

[notlist3d]

The hard part to justify it is all the zeus/hashra/etc gear that is out there.  Even though it's horribly inefficient people still run them.   

I do not think the price should be to much over what you can buy an 30mh A2 and a SP20.   I agree some over it.   But 1200 would be very very high.   I really want this and will admit I would overspend to get one to play with, but I cant justify 1200 no matter how hard i try.

I hope the rumor is wrong on price.

[GenTarkin]

The hard part to justify it is all the zeus/hashra/etc gear that is out there.  Even though it's horribly inefficient people still run them.   

I do not think the price should be to much over what you can buy an 30mh A2 and a SP20.   I agree some over it.   But 1200 would be very very high.   I really want this and will admit I would overspend to get one to play with, but I cant justify 1200 no matter how hard i try.

I hope the rumor is wrong on price.

Yeah, I bought a Titan for $3000 a week ago, and hell at this rate that even seems like a bad fucking deal.

[Meech]

At $750 - $850 seems more logical.  They must have had an initial smaller batch order for now which is the only justification for the asking price.
Me wants one but it's too precious.  You can buy almost another 4.5 btc with the cost of it which you won't if you mine with it at least not in the next 6 months.  Not Home Miner Friendly or HMF which I'm dubbing as my motto.

[philipma1957]

says it does 54mh at 200 watts  in scrypt alone.




I had 10 gridseed blades   doing 800 watts getting 54mh   So I read this a 4x the quality of an old school blade.




How does that work on an ltc calc?  I get 350 days.

with the sha 256 turned off.

[p3yot33at3r]

Yeah, but if a load of these suddenly came online, diff would quickly jump sooner than 350 days I think.....

[GenTarkin]

says it does 54mh at 200 watts  in scrypt alone.




I had 10 gridseed blades   doing 800 watts getting 54mh   So I read this a 4x the quality of an old school blade.




How does that work on an ltc calc?  I get 350 days.

with the sha 256 turned off.

Does it take into consideration the LTC reward drop in 40 days?

[notlist3d]

Yeah, but if a load of these suddenly came online, diff would quickly jump sooner than 350 days I think.....

We have seen in past what happens if a lot get intrested in scrypt.  The A2's were priced HIGH, very high.  Overnight they dropped in price.  This happened so quick people that just bought them never made ROI.  I have done this before with an A2 and I was lucky I barley made roi from renting high and selling it to make ROI.

If they can guarantee this will be best chip for a year, and no extreme drops in price yes you might justify a year ROI.   But one competitor can destroy this.

[philipma1957]

says it does 54mh at 200 watts  in scrypt alone.




I had 10 gridseed blades   doing 800 watts getting 54mh   So I read this a 4x the quality of an old school blade.




How does that work on an ltc calc?  I get 350 days.

with the sha 256 turned off.

Does it take into consideration the LTC reward drop in 40 days?

 No it does not which is part of the problem with this gear.   If you run both you lose efficiency .  if you run ltc it take 350 days to break even  .

With 8 cent power/ flat diff /flat price  /   that is really being generous  

now do 8 cent power /flat diff/flat price for sha and you get.  411 days.

Does anyone expect flat diff /flat price/ 8 cent power  ?  for ltc or btc

plug in 6 cents and:

 ltc takes  319 days

btc takes 380 days

 running separate helps  power spent.


I would say you need 8 cent power and a lot of high hopes.

[Xircom]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

[notlist3d]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

How do you know they sold out?  And that is a bummer 1.5 months is a lot between batches.

[Searing]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

that trial batch was 100 units right?

[J4bberwock]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

that trial batch was 100 units right?

No official numbers given, but it seems it was a very small batch.
I'd guess anywhere from 50 to 200 units.

[Xircom]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

How do you know they sold out?  And that is a bummer 1.5 months is a lot between batches.

Thats what they told me. I asked them for a 100TH offer and they say bulk orders are able to resume in August.

[alh]

So maybe the "mass production" in the title isn't quite accurate, or only for small values of "mass"?

While it's interesting to watch, it seems unlikely that SFARDS is going to change things much given the prices they charge, and the small scope of "mass production", at least at the moment.

[notlist3d]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

that trial batch was 100 units right?

No official numbers given, but it seems it was a very small batch.
I'd guess anywhere from 50 to 200 units.

With 24 chips each I could see why they call it "mass production.   But that is a very small batch for sure.

Wonder if they are being safe doing small batch or if there is a holdup in process.

[DavieT1337]

Already sold out on that Price 4.5 BTC right ? Thats crazy  i thought it would be cheaper and i could buy also one

But at this Price im still waiting for another offer

hope thoose guys make it cheaper in the next batch 

[philipma1957]

Sold out. Yes its a trial batch. Next batch end August…

that trial batch was 100 units right?

No official numbers given, but it seems it was a very small batch.
I'd guess anywhere from 50 to 200 units.

With 24 chips each I could see why they call it "mass production.   But that is a very small batch for sure.

Wonder if they are being safe doing small batch or if there is a holdup in process.

So far no one has seen any proof this machine works.
 No one has shown it mining.
No one has shown if comes close to  the power ratings.