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[trader19]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

thanks for brief answer, imo it would be waste of time building atomic cross-chain transactions architecture at this point of time. maybe Long term yes. After Urge markets are dropped i am sure ppl will build their business around it. ALT price volatility didn't stop people using drk before, ppl do adopt you know.

[stormia]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

Thank you for the quick, satisfactory reply. Much appreciated!

[stormia]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

thanks for brief answer, imo it would be waste of time building atomic cross-chain transactions architecture at this point of time. maybe Long term yes. After Urge markets are dropped i am sure ppl will build their business around it. ALT price volatility didn't stop people using drk before, ppl do adopt you know.

Very, very few people use DRK for these types of markets, for the exact reasons I outlined. I don't use these types of markets myself but I do follow them closely as I find them interesting. Go to r/darknetmarkets and make a post about using an alt, everybody will laugh and scoff at you. Now, Crave will be different since it is providing its own infrastructure to build markets devoted and dependent on itself, so we will just have to wait and see if people are open to the idea and jump on board.

The hard part is getting vendors on board, if you can do that customers will follow.

[trader19]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

thanks for brief answer, imo it would be waste of time building atomic cross-chain transactions architecture at this point of time. maybe Long term yes. After Urge markets are dropped i am sure ppl will build their business around it. ALT price volatility didn't stop people using drk before, ppl do adopt you know.

Very, very few people use DRK for these types of markets, for the exact reasons I outlined. I don't use these types of markets myself but I do follow them closely as I find them interesting.

i personally didn't follow darkmarkets that closely i only saw they have drk as payment option. anyway icm has his own concept with Urge markets so it will be interesting to see how it will work out. to have btc as another payment option would sure be beneficial. maybe some community members will came up with some fresh ideas (expl. cravedigger)

[trader19]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

What about building a API for cravedigger and implementing it into urge allowing people to easily convert their BTC > CRAVE?

good idea. integrated BTC >CRAVE exchange in market /cravedigger script/ so they can easily be converted to be used in those markets.

edited: didn't make sense what i wrote lol

[stormia]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

thanks for brief answer, imo it would be waste of time building atomic cross-chain transactions architecture at this point of time. maybe Long term yes. After Urge markets are dropped i am sure ppl will build their business around it. ALT price volatility didn't stop people using drk before, ppl do adopt you know.

Very, very few people use DRK for these types of markets, for the exact reasons I outlined. I don't use these types of markets myself but I do follow them closely as I find them interesting.

i personally didn't follow darkmarkets that closely i only saw they have drk as payment option. anyway icm has his own concept with Urge markets so it will be interesting to see how it will work out. to have btc as another payment option would sure be beneficial. maybe some community members will came up with some fresh ideas (expl. cravedigger)

None of the major darkmarkets or vendors use drk, they use btc. I agree that crave will be different and that is why it is exciting and theres a lot of potential (I edited the post you quoted to reflect that, but was too slow).

[darkproton]

I could be wrong, but the possibility to exchange crave for btc may already exist in darkpoold. I will have to look into it further but it has been mentioned in counterparts threads, now, whether it is still possible or even was is a different matter but one I will look into.

[striker7334 2.0]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

What about building a API for cravedigger and implementing it into urge allowing people to easily convert their BTC > CRAVE?

or even better integrated CRAVE > BTC exchange /cravedigger script/ so they can easily be converted to be used in those markets.

That could work has anyone ever used cravedigger yet though?

Edit: I understand what you're getting at though lol

[trader19]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

What about building a API for cravedigger and implementing it into urge allowing people to easily convert their BTC > CRAVE?

or even better integrated CRAVE > BTC exchange /cravedigger script/ so they can easily be converted to be used in those markets.

That could work has anyone ever used cravedigger yet though?

i think yes, someone confirmed to successfully converted small amount of btc to crave very fast thru that script.

[bitcoinsid]

I always see digital tech significantly evolve every 5-8 years, heres a few i can think of..
pc hardware shows this first then the console hardware - 8bit era - 16bit - 32bit etc every time took the best bits and moved on. For screen res we had sd then hd now uhd. Mobile phones to smart phones, 2g then 3g and now 4g roughly every 5 yr, home based internet speeds show same pattern.  Then we have software doing the same , napster/kazaa to torrents and most operating systems.
Now when i look at btc its looking old,  6years is a very long time in an industry that pushes digital hardware and software to new limits.
There has been alot of innovation in the past few years in crypto but most has been experimental, someone needs to take all the knowledge we have gained in the past 5-6 years and create something that is far superior than every coin on a technical level. Aswell as adding its own unique features this new coin should learn from old mistakes such as...premines,instamines and ico.
I believe crave is doing everything i would except in a next gen crypto currency but to be doing it at such a fast pace is fascinating.
The dev is what you pay for and soon i think someone will buy up so much coin and place a big buy wall that some will dump into but this wall isnt buying crave for btc or fiat, its buying crave because it believes in the dev and what crave wants to achieve. Then with media attention crave will be easily in the top 5 cryptos.
Another thing that stands out for me is the wallet...wow, it has built in staking, tor, i2p, adrenaline nodes and stealth address in around 5 weeks !

*btc has moved beyond innovation and soon will move beyond being a commodity to becoming an actual currency, crave will oneday do the same.

[striker7334 2.0]

I could be wrong, but the possibility to exchange crave for btc may already exist in darkpoold. I will have to look into it further but it has been mentioned in counterparts threads, now, whether it is still possible or even was is a different matter but one I will look into.

From what I've heard darkpoold is difficult to use, it would have to be easy.

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

thanks for brief answer, imo it would be waste of time building atomic cross-chain transactions architecture at this point of time. maybe Long term yes. After Urge markets are dropped i am sure ppl will build their business around it. ALT price volatility didn't stop people using drk before, ppl do adopt you know.

Very, very few people use DRK for these types of markets, for the exact reasons I outlined. I don't use these types of markets myself but I do follow them closely as I find them interesting.

i personally didn't follow darkmarkets that closely i only saw they have drk as payment option. anyway icm has his own concept with Urge markets so it will be interesting to see how it will work out. to have btc as another payment option would sure be beneficial. maybe some community members will came up with some fresh ideas (expl. cravedigger)

None of the major darkmarkets or vendors use drk, they use btc. I agree that crave will be different and that is why it is exciting and theres a lot of potential (I edited the post you quoted to reflect that, but was too slow).

This is true they are businessmen/women(underworld businessmen/women mind you still businessmen/women) and they are going to need some stability. If we build a Cravedigger API exactly like shapeshift.io API and implemented it into the site as trader19 said that would work right or am I missing something?

[proletariat]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

Do not give ICM ideas!

Last time this was done, this happened:

Almost done with the native I2P integration   I updated the code for the latest secp256k1 and will get that checked in soon as well.   

right on, sounds interesting... is that for the market integration? lol I'm not a techie so it sounds like latin to me

It was something I decided to just do since people were fudding about it.  So, now its baked in. The multi-sig escrow workflow is the key for the market

And now we have native I2P wich wasn't on the roadmap   

[Kimowa]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

Do not give ICM ideas!

Last time this was done, this happened:

Almost done with the native I2P integration   I updated the code for the latest secp256k1 and will get that checked in soon as well.   

right on, sounds interesting... is that for the market integration? lol I'm not a techie so it sounds like latin to me

It was something I decided to just do since people were fudding about it.  So, now its baked in. The multi-sig escrow workflow is the key for the market

And now we have native I2P wich wasn't on the roadmap   

yeah stop asking him for more we need this to got to 0.05 btc each

[STEALTHMODE]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

Do not give ICM ideas!

Last time this was done, this happened:

Almost done with the native I2P integration   I updated the code for the latest secp256k1 and will get that checked in soon as well.   

right on, sounds interesting... is that for the market integration? lol I'm not a techie so it sounds like latin to me

It was something I decided to just do since people were fudding about it.  So, now its baked in. The multi-sig escrow workflow is the key for the market

And now we have native I2P wich wasn't on the roadmap   


  Don't challenge ICM

[waffles99]

has anyone even tried to route crave traffic through i2p yet. less hype and more actual use please

[darkproton]

I could be wrong, but the possibility to exchange crave for btc may already exist in darkpoold. I will have to look into it further but it has been mentioned in counterparts threads, now, whether it is still possible or even was is a different matter but one I will look into.

From what I've heard darkpoold is difficult to use, it would have to be easy.

yes. I am working on a bottle interface and have posted a win executable to make it easy to run without having to install python or any packages

[EmilioMann]

I could be wrong, but the possibility to exchange crave for btc may already exist in darkpoold. I will have to look into it further but it has been mentioned in counterparts threads, now, whether it is still possible or even was is a different matter but one I will look into.

From what I've heard darkpoold is difficult to use, it would have to be easy.

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

thanks for brief answer, imo it would be waste of time building atomic cross-chain transactions architecture at this point of time. maybe Long term yes. After Urge markets are dropped i am sure ppl will build their business around it. ALT price volatility didn't stop people using drk before, ppl do adopt you know.

Very, very few people use DRK for these types of markets, for the exact reasons I outlined. I don't use these types of markets myself but I do follow them closely as I find them interesting.

i personally didn't follow darkmarkets that closely i only saw they have drk as payment option. anyway icm has his own concept with Urge markets so it will be interesting to see how it will work out. to have btc as another payment option would sure be beneficial. maybe some community members will came up with some fresh ideas (expl. cravedigger)

None of the major darkmarkets or vendors use drk, they use btc. I agree that crave will be different and that is why it is exciting and theres a lot of potential (I edited the post you quoted to reflect that, but was too slow).

This is true they are businessmen/women(underworld businessmen/women mind you still businessmen/women) and they are going to need some stability. If we build a Cravedigger API exactly like shapeshift.io API and implemented it into the site as trader19 said that would work right or am I missing something?

Delita Heiral already has a store that accepts crave and probably will be one of the first cravers to have its own market on blockchain

I'd like to announce that Animalpharm nootropics is now accepting Crave.
[animalpharm.us]

If youre in the market for noots, pm me to transact manually.
(All crave purchases will be valued at current market price, and all orders made using Crave will get 10% off.)

We ship everywhere.

Additionally, future market owners pm me.  Was looking into magento or shopify but this is clearly a better solution.



As you were <3

Pretty cool !

http://www.animalpharm.us/

[Delita Heiral]

^its true
[speak of the devil......and he shall appear!]


also heres some news via oaxaca:

Bad news for California:

California Assembly Moves Forward With Idiotic Plan To Make All Bitcoin Startups Apply For A License

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=50683

It has moved out of the California’s assembly committee on banking and finance and has been advanced to the appropriations committee.

Here are some excerpts:

Code:

(b) “Virtual currency” means any type of digital unit that is used as a medium of exchange or a form of digitally 
stored value or that is incorporated into payment system technology. Virtual currency shall be broadly construed 
to include digital units of exchange that (1) have a centralized repository or administrator, (2) are decentralized 
and have no centralized repository or administrator

of course there is this section:

Code:

26004. The following are exempt from the licensing
...
(d) A commercial bank or industrial bank, the deposits of which are insured by the 
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation

and of course there are fees:

Code:

26006. (a) An applicant for licensure under this division shall pay to the commissioner a 
nonrefundable application fee of five thousand dollars ($5,000)
...
(e) A licensee, including a licensee described in subdivision (b), shall pay annually on or before July 1, 
a license renewal fee of two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500)
...
(g) Whenever the commissioner examines a licensee, the licensee shall pay, within 10 days after
 receipt of a statement from the commissioner, a fee of seventy-five dollars ($75) per hour for 
each examiner engaged in the examination plus, if it is necessary for any examiner engaged in 
the examination to travel outside this state, the travel expenses of the examiner.

and this requirement (amongst a long list of others)

Code:

(9) A description of the source of money and credit to be used by the applicant to provide 
virtual currency services.

There is an online petition available to try and stop this thing:

https://www.change.org/p/matthew-dababneh-california-state-house-california-state-senate-save-buttonwood-sf-withdraw-ab-1326

[striker7334 2.0]

I could be wrong, but the possibility to exchange crave for btc may already exist in darkpoold. I will have to look into it further but it has been mentioned in counterparts threads, now, whether it is still possible or even was is a different matter but one I will look into.

From what I've heard darkpoold is difficult to use, it would have to be easy.

yes. I am working on a bottle interface and have posted a win executable to make it easy to run without having to install python or any packages

Sounds exciting I'm very interested to see it!

[industrialcoinmagic]

I really think if these markets are to be functional they need to use btc, at least at first.

I understand your points, but in order to accept other currencies/blockchains we would need atomic cross-chain transactions.  I know there are a few people looking into that but as far as I know there are no POC's out yet let alone a proven solution.  For instance, how would we enforce a BTC 3 party multi-sig from within Crave.  Actually, I do know one way that we could do it, but it would require that users run a full BTC node in addition to the Crave wallet and it is relatively complex to build.  The fact that it is challenging doesn't mean a flat "no", but maybe it is something to put on the roadmap to look into after the market release with the understanding that it could be weeks or months of R&D work to build and test the solution.

Do not give ICM ideas!

Last time this was done, this happened:

Almost done with the native I2P integration   I updated the code for the latest secp256k1 and will get that checked in soon as well.   

right on, sounds interesting... is that for the market integration? lol I'm not a techie so it sounds like latin to me

It was something I decided to just do since people were fudding about it.  So, now its baked in. The multi-sig escrow workflow is the key for the market

And now we have native I2P wich wasn't on the roadmap   

Let's do it, after the market drop.