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Hi all,

With this thread i intend to pass on the knowledge i and my bro attained by building running and maintaining VEGA 64 rigs.

Allow me to introduce myself

i am an average joe with no particular expertice in programming although i do have a solid background in computing (my first contact over 30 years ago on the BBC and Amstrad programming in BASIC)
Being involved in the financial world for longer than i care to remember, the opportunity and future of the cryptocurrency phenomenon struck a cord in me as a viable alternative to the financial bondage all humanity is under via the current fiat central banking fractional reserve SCAM.

This is my way of giving back to those whom might listen.
 
i spent well over 8 months researching the topic of crypto currency mining going over everything and anything to do with the subject after finaly making my decision to dive in. Living in Norway provides the 2 central pillars (in my view) to succesful mining of which i will get into detail later.

Deciding what GPU's to buy was the most difficult question to be answered as concerns of what to mine and energy use came into play.
The VEGA 64 system is a giant in disquise, the hardware capabilities are currently severly under run  (manufacturer intent) by less than optimal drivers on the RADEON, WINDOWS and Mother Board sides. This is the secret as to why one is hard pressed to find 64's on the market today as few like myself know the secret and are buying them in any quantity as they become available no matter the price.  

i view ASIC mining as a future derivative of the current financial system with 1 compnay BITMAIN (ie Federal Reserve) controling BITCOIN etc via the few huge mining farms (mostly in China) whereas GPU mining can be profitable in small scale by orndinary people in their home.
For me GPU mining is TRULY decentralised and peer assisted instead of a handful of huge well funded 'special' interest groups controlling the market (discussion on this is welcome).

Currently we are running/testing 2 rigs: AsusB250 mining expert mobo with 8 64's and Asrock H110 BTC Pro mobo with 10 64's

Enough fluf, lets get down to it....


UPDATE 4Mar18
after around 8 pages of this thread, this is the result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXUdZDNB-s


enjoy the read!!!

Update 25Apr18
FREE WISDOM up to pg 12 post#238, after that the Vega Token is born and topic takes a turn,

QMS first look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifRIeGnEWeI

QMS coin/miner switching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKOVdQJefY
 
Pg18 post#349 is my final post on this thread

https://vegatoken.org/

I look forward to reading about your guy's trial and errors. I am looking to get into mining and have been fighting a battle between GeForce 1070 vs. Vega 64s. Everybody is gunning for the Vega 64s.

https://imgur.com/a/NHxbe

running at 355,7MH/s stable after blood sweat and tears which is what im hoping you won't have to go through
here are the current stats test mining on Nanopool:
https://eth.nanopool.org/account/0xabdbd7ea90cf6374840bc477fef41788e1429e39

1 x ASUS B250 mining expert Motherboard
2 x 4Gb RAM
1 x Pentium 4400 CPU
8 x MSI VEGA 64 aircooled GPU's
2 x EVGA NOVASTAR 1600W PSU's
1 x 12v fan (very important will explain later)
8 x risers
1 x SSD 128Gb

Using 2 EVGA 1600 PSU's is an overkill but it was the easiest way to keep things uniform and have enough VGA outlets for cards and risers.
Used 5 GQ 6 to 8x2 cables from the EVGA 1000 pack and 6 G2 6 to 6+2 from the EVGA 1600 pack.
Be aware that the EVGA 1600 PSU (G2 cables) has a different manufacturer than the EVGA 1000 PSU (GQ flat cables) hence the operating frequencies and wiring of the sockets is different. You can use the GQ cables on the 1600 but you CANNOT use the G2 cables on the 1000.

We found that mixing these 2 power supplies (or any 2 or more different PSU's) on the same rig causes all sorts of problems, so its best when setting up multi GPU rigs to keep the PSU's uniform. In addition its problem avoiding to connect the riser power supply on the same PSU as the GPU.

Also be very aware that VEGAs are prone to Electro Magnetic inteference so try to keep the PSU's and any other EM generating devices (especialy spark gap devices) as far as possible from the rig. i found this out the hard way after almost throwing in the towel as i stupidly had an ozone maker ontop of the table and was wondering why each pc startup showed different PCIe's not working and system was freezing or dropping after a few mins of operation.

We also killed 2 Asrock H110 BTC Pro mobo's because of faulty riser adaptors as on 2 of them (from the same batch) had fused solder points making them into shortcircuit instant death for the mobo.
So please VISUALY INSPECT the risers especialy the solder points before instalation to avoid this happening to you.

 
(im a newbie here so my posts have to come with a 360 second gap)

Now I'm curious..... must have something to do with snow and cheap hydroelectric power.  ;)

You guys went full force into mining with that setup. Jealous lol

That is one expensive ETH rig for 355 MH/s. I have a 13 RX 480/580 and 570 GPU rig with 385 MH/s Ethash 11000 MH/s DCR dual mining. Rock-solid stable on the ASRock H110 Pro BTC+.

https://image.ibb.co/dDX4Cw/Screenshot_from_2017_12_08_14_08_08.png

i uploaded a screen shot on the imgur link above

thnx for the replies,
i know the rig seems expensive for the speed but i am expecting future driver developments by RADEON WINDOWS and mobo manufacturer that will uptick the currently and by intent unutilised potential of these GPUS.

there is a reason why these cards come with a BIOS switch  ;) and fancy led colour switch, we will get into that later....

as PanzerSheriff guessed correctly,

2 MAIN PILLARS (imo) of MINING WITH VEGA64 are:

1) GPU Operating temperature (especialy Memory temp as opposed to CPU)
and ofcourse
2) Kw/h energy cost

at present the VEGA's draw too much power for the Hashing speed they can attain in comparison to lesser cards which at present are more efficient.
The rig as is currently burns through almost 1700W total (8 GPU's mobo, screen) with memory overclocking and undervolting.

Using Crimson 17.11.1 you can avoid the Crossfire issues and other complexities that came with later drivers.
Avoid the mining driver like the plague unless you must use it as it is riddled with bugs and uncompatibilities that will probably test your patience.
HBM at this stage and for mining the way we are testing is NOT needed and only causes problems with more than 3 GPU's (we will be testing it on a separate 6 card rig for MONERO coming soon)

Unified settings on Wattman are:

Dynamic CPU clock set min state6 @ 998 and max state7 @1000 (setting the same value in both fields causes issues)
Auto Voltage
Dynamic Memory clock set min/max @ 1100
Auto Temperature
Voltage set @ -24% (Wattman has issues between -10 to -20 avoid this range where possible)
Dynamic Fan speed set min 2500 target 4000 although this depends HEAVILY on the ambient temp, we achieve the temps seen on the screenshot with +8C ambient room temp, outside +2C (i control this by allowing more or less outside air to enter the room, also i am noting temps creating a reference table for future use, will post it when complete)

Vitrual memory is set to min 16Gb to 20Gb max (very important for stability and long running times)
If you are using later drivers you must switch off Crossfire (good luck keeping the setting stable)

These settings will give you 43,7MH/s stable on all cards and here is the kicker:
Not all GPU's are the same, some can take more Memory overclocking than others, in conjunction with PCIe BUS abilities of the mobo and mobo drivers you are using, the Asrock is the winner in this respect as we have 10 VEGA's on it whereas the ASUS can only take 8 VEGA's max at present. ASUS has promised a driver update in Q4 of 2017 to support more but with 22 days left in this year the update has not come yet.
I was able, after a lot of trial and error to get 3 cards running at 45.5MH/s stable by uping the memory clock to 1150 and the voltage to -17%.
Again if you attempt this assume that one GPU can do it whilst another cant on top of the mobo instability when trying this on more than half the cards on your rig. Trial and error yields fruits but the process can be a nut cracker.

i cannot stress enough how important it is keeping memory temp below 70C







 

So you spent $2K+ more than you need on GPU's to mine ETH because you expect AMD to release a magical driver. OK, make sense now. How about spending that $2K to buy more GPU's and get more hash NOW? LOL. Or AMD may just release their Navi cards which ARE expected to great for mining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op3h_bV3ohA

Here is a tidbit of wisdom we gained by using a FLIR handheld Thermal Spectograph on the rig and wiring and why, as mentioned above you need a spare 12v computer fan. (i haven't found this info anywhere on the net so if you are reading this consider yourself ahead in the game)

on the imgur link above i have included pics of the ASUS and Asrock mobos, the red circle you see is the component that can OVERHEAT and can cause long run mining problems. We found it to go over 70C in relative low ambient temp causing the PCIe slot BUSing to malfunction and freeze/hang the system.

Because we are utililsing the cold outside temp to regulate ambient room temp a fan pointed on that component is enough but you might consider installing a small heat sink to go with the fan for better results if you live in warmer environments.

pics of the 10GPU rig and more info coming later...

Can you stop shitting on him for his choice of hardware? If you have nothing to contribute, move on. He's here to share his experience with Vegas, and perhaps help some people. We don't care about your opinion on Polaris GPUs.

Spending 5K on Vega's to mine ETH is just plain dumb and that's what I want people to know.

you remind me of my wife lol,  let a man finish his sentence before interupting
ofcourse the choice is yours on what to use and how and for now under current conditions you have a point

we are not merely hoping for updates, we are proactive and are exploring coding our own hex tables and driver patches, this being work in progress so mentioning any early results is counterproductive,
there is a deeper reason why we chose the more expensive path which will become apparent to all in the coming YEARS
dont you find it odd that the VEGA is the only card that can trick the system into believing it is 2 cards thus achieving 2000 sols on MONERO?

i am only including info in this thread that works 100% and is simple for anyone to follow if their choice is the VEGA64

thnx for your input

6x vega 56 flashed with 64 bios running 43.7mh @ 867/1100 with 825/900mv using totall 1250w  for the whole system.

nice!!

current kWh cost for us here is $0,04 so our focus has been on max stable speeds rather than elec use

https://www.ssb.no/elkraftpris/
price is in Norwegian Kroner for household consumption

we are using these tests to solidify a larger plan involving a private mining farm with over 250 GPU's as a start and have come to an understanding with the local elec supplier to have less than $0,034kWh cost. Time will tell....

Vega 64 is really a monster even though I am not into mining righ  now and just only reading some reviews for it cause I am planning yo build my own rig I am really amazed by Radeons Vega 64 speed for mining. In my country this hardware is really sold out that's why when it comes to stock again I don't want to hesitate to buy it.

Understand that, here regular is about €0.23 and about €0.06 if you use like 1mil kwh/y

43.7 is best i could get with max stability at lowest wattage.

OP TEMP IS KEY

Heat goes up and cold stays down, consider this when setting up your rig and placing it with max headroom allowing the heat to collect away from the intake fans

if you noticed on the screenshot the GPU's are running at different temps, especialy one of them

this is not by accident but rather a test in progress

this rig is using the horizontal open air setup with all blowers facing the same direction towards the depth of the room (allowing exhaust to freely move and collect on the ceiling before being released out)

the GPU's are placed at regular intervals (as seen in the pic) apart from the one all the way to the right which is the one operating at the lowest temp with a large margin
we have found that spacing between the GPU's is very important in achieving lower op temps which yield better and more stable results, as heat by convection seems to creep into the adjacent card's intake fan

you might consider using a thick non conductive barrier (plastic etc) between the cards to minimise heat convection

i know that the distance is limited by the 50-60cm riser usb cable but try to maximise the space between as much as possible, using longer cables is not advisable as electrical resistance increases with cable length and this can cause issues

the 10 card rig (photos and info coming) is using the vertical setup and the results are different

i am currently designing a multi GPU (over 50) cylidrical closed rig setup that will not only be easier in assebly but also use less effort to cool the aircolled GPU's and recycle via thermoelectric principals the heat coming off (currently wasted) to further reduce energy cost. Time allowing i will try to design a smaller version for home use.

we are lucky here in Norway as the water is always cold so liquid cooled GPU's can be fed from a nearby water causeway. but this is a project for later consideration (hope that gives one ideas if they live next to a stream or river in which case look up the STIRLING motor)

What I have realized in my very short time in cryptocurrency mining is that there are many different ways to mine.

My choice has been to use my Vega rig to mine the most profitable currency and trade regularly for BTC. With the Vegas, for the last month, it has CLEARLY been the CryptoNight algorithm and more specifically the ETN (Electroneum) coin. This has definitely been a better desition than to mine Ethererum (or anything else for that matter). Mining ETN on VEGA and selling for BTC daily or weekly is, for now, my preferred option.

I am also convinced that the AMD Vega cards have a great potential but the mining software has to catch up to utilize the power. The next few months will be very exciting!!

BTW, the Bitcoin Forum community is just FANTASTIC. I have learned so much from the more experienced people here, and there is always someone willing to help! Thanks from us newbies!

panzer can you run some tests to see what's the lyra2rev2 and neoscrypt hash rates are on your vega rig? thanks in advance !)

just for clarity,

i know that ETH mining with these cards does not (at present) yield the best returns in terms of financial gain when compared to other coins, but being a crypro miner, for me at least, is not only about making money but primarily its about BUSTING THE BANKS, i fucking hate them and the current debt slave system imposed on us without consent and by sheer indoctrination from cradle.

If looking at the financial aspect one also has to consider further gains from price fluctuations so cashing in ETH for anything else today, can lead to dismay in the future when ETH price moons. (i know this from my experience in trading commodities)

i am very passionate on this subject as i have internal knowledge of the current global financial system and i would need terabytes to outline the details, history, and implications of our current reality.

Being a crypto miner no matter the scale is an act of REVOLUTION against the fat lazy greedy subhuman pieces of excrement taking all of us for a ride with their tri tier system of control, namely interest, inflation, taxation.

this man deserves recognition for his elloquence in telling the IRS to FUCK OFF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdCfk7a2Va0

BE A REVOLUTIONARY AND MINE

mining different coins and changing from one to another regularly, can require different mining software, drivers and value setups, this can be testing on your equipment as changes can leave imprints underscoring a later instal

when switching between mining software to mine different scrypts please consider doing clean uninstal of drivers (we use DDU) before you instal different ones thus reducing the chances of conflicts

we had to reinstal windows, several times in order to have stability when switching coin mining in order to get it to work, this is laborious and time consuming equating to down times thus diminished returns

as a novice try to pick a method/coin and stick with it to avoid down times and potential catastrophic consequences on your rig (i paid dearly for my mistakes so im trying for you not to do the same)

instal on the rig the bare essentials for the type of mining you choose and avoid running peripheral programs that are not imperative

check your startup programs to make sure you are not weighing on the RAM with crap you dont need

streamline your OS by uninstaling useless programs that come with windows like games and junk you will not use, switch off automatic updates on the ones you can't and for goodness sake completly dissable the CORTANA function, she only takes system resources that you need

do not install the AERO theme (uncheck box) when installing basic intel windows graphics driver

i even have the automatic windows updates disabled on my system as its stable and updates are known to throw a spanner in the works, i actively choose what updates to have installed on merit of security and system efficiency

switch off all inactivity sleep functions (system, hard drives, screen etc) as this will stop your miner

set your system (win options) to run on performance rather than other settings (efficiency etc)

up vitrual memory to 20Gb as stated above

regularly check for driver updates of your mother board especialy if its one geared for mining

do NOT update to new GPU drivers, if the ones you are using work, when they are fresh, let others do the testing for you (as mentioned above this forum has great people willing to share their experiences)

i have a usb stick with all the drivers, programs etc for easier installations when switching coins/setups/clean wipes

once you start amassing funds do not keep them all in one wallet or trading platform, spread them around and at best buy a hard wallet (i use the NANO LEDGER S), look at what happened to nicehack i mean nicehash (bunch of morons keeping all funds in one account or by intent?)

and this one is the most important: KEEP A PAPER RECORD OF ALL YOUR PASSWORDS, SITE DETAILS, WALLET WORD LISTS etc, do not trust electronic records for safe keeping as they can be corrupted, deleted, hacked, etc
 
Keep it simple, stability is key in the long run to maximise returns

if you sit and look at the mining screen running you might notice something strange

more often than not when a GPU finds an accepted share the same GPU will find the next share sometimes even a third all in a row, you can see this with GPU 5 on my screenshot, 3 in a row! (posted a new screenshot with GPU6 getting 4 in a row almost 5)
(this is dependant on your response time being around 100ms something that depends on your connection and ISP and time of day)

this occurance is not accidental but rather frequent and i have not noticed any other type or make of GPU doing the same (let me know if not so)

this phenomenon is an indicator of the VEGAs unaccesed arsenal and the true routing speed of the memory (hence my drumming keeping it under 70C)
compounding this to the apparent single card dual split capability on XMR and the fact that this card has 2x8 pin power connections with a seemingly unused 300+W capacity on top of the fact that it has insanly more transistors than any other card on the market (inlcuding the 1080Ti) should ring some bells and wink at you for future possibilities

the VEGA's are built with more capability and more components than others (aside from the 16Gb mem of the 1080Ti)  in the same class and are more expensive but yet they underpreform in gaming graphics comparisons, why is that? is it due to the AMD CPU instead of an INTEL? is it because AMD are a bunch of idiots and dont know what they are doing? or is it because this card (and i mean specificaly the 64) was not created with gaming in mind but rather longevity in crypto mining? does any other graphics card have drivers especialy for mining? (as is with no updates my ass). IMO this is the smartest and most sneaky product launch i have ever encountered and i can only assume the capabilities of this card will be utilised in small steps keeping ahead of any present and future competitors for years (minimum3) to come. The few in the know and others with a sixth sense have understood this and are buying them now (in the launch period) faster than they are made available.
i really do believe this card is a mining Ferrari dressed as a Fiat

and just to clarify i have no gain from letting this info out of the bag and in fact it will help in me not being able to buy more of them as their popularity increases, but again i enjoy and hope others will join the fight against the slavedrivers

The same shite was blabbered about Vega too. 60Mh/s-90Mh/s....shit can't do 50Mh/s....yea drivers yea mobos yea windows sucks...no good drivers for linux....whatever!!!
It's a loss, still 2 year old rx470/rx480 are better on eth mining than shitty vega.
I won't buy Navi without seeing it doing 150Mh/s on a miner! Cut the bullshiz

p.s: thanks Riged, your posts are very informative! I appreciate the effort...!
BTW 1080ti has 11GB memory and Vega FE has 16gb HBM

yea soz, too many numbers sometimes trip my synapses, you are ofcourse correct

but isn't it curious that as the VEGA hype deflated with actual testing they are still bought faster than made? must be a lot of idiots including myself around i guess :P

i just uploaded a pic of the 10 GPU open air vertical rig, sorry for the mess but my bro in charge of this one cant help himself and is constantly changing things on the rig, also having problems with the ISP he is using and has reverted to a 4G connection off his ipad

i will post the specs for this one tomorrow but as you can see there are 3 PSU's in use, the 1000w is powering only one card as there is no availability on the 1600's

just one important point for now, if you are using consequetive PCIe's for the risers on the Asrock, take a static bag (comes with all electronic equipment) cut it in small squares and fit them between the risers on the board to avoid shortcircuits as Asrock thought it was a good idea to have the ports with no space between them

more later, thnx all for your replies and consideration

one last question before i catch some shut eye,

does anybody have an 8 card rig of any type that tops 355,5MH/s combined speed mining ETH?

if so lets see it, post a screenshot

ps when you buy a Ferrari you should expect high fuel consumption, even when driving at low speeds  ;)

Speed isn't everything, whats your power usage at the wall for 355MH? That'll really show your numbers, Interested if you can beat what other cards are doing out there.

Now in terms of density, nice numbers for only 8GPU's but I'm not sure the costs justify it without knowing power usage at the wall.

cant stay away,
 i did mention the power usage on the previous page peaking at 1700W and before you tell me what i have read already here and knew from before i bought these GPU's the W to Hash ratio is not the best, but as i already mentioned on the previous page i did not set this up with power consumption as a priority but payment cycle which stands around 19-20hrs per 0,05ETH and sticking it to the banksters, so for me speed is paramount as elec cost here in Norway is the cheapest and most reliable in the world (aside from Genesis making a special deal with the Icelandic on geothermal)
i already provided the rigs nanopool link, click on payments and calculator tabs to check out the results

ok enough beating around the bush
i get about $800 of ETH a month (at $430ETH) and it costs me $45 in elec (net and other fees i pay anyway for the house)
http://www.electricity-usage.com/Electricity-Usage-Calculator.aspx?Device=&Watts=1700&CostPerKWH=0.04&HoursPerDay=24

when we tried Monero the returns were around $1800/mnth (@ $230 XMR) with less than $35 in electricity
https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/monero-mining-calculator/?h=15200.00&p=1200.00&pc=0.04&pf=1.00&d=35217586884.00000000&r=6.03665686&er=0.01553867&btcer=17299.52000000&hc=0.00

keep in mind i am testing for a very large setup, so returns are not so important at this juncture

Hi, my rig is somewhere about 353Mh/s with 1700W on wall.
But for now, the xmr is what I am mining. 15400hs for 1450W.
Anyway how did you managed to run 10x gpus on asrock h110 mining board? I am was able to run only up to 9x rx vega 64 sapphire limited editions. With 10x gpus the mobo do not want to boot. Just fans spinning and nothing happend.
No matter which gpu is 10th no matter in which slot or riser, its always the same...

I love this topic and the guy RIGED for starting it but one thing I hate you for >:( is you're foiling my plans to get my hands on Vegas now that everyone and their dog will run buying them like hot donuts...

And the supply is horribly limited....
or should I say the demand is too great.  >:(

LOL thread.
Mining another algo and coin and exchanging it to ETH will give you equivalent speed of 138mhs mining ETH per card with only 150-160 watt ))

thnx for the replies guys and gals

This thread does a diservice to those whom are collecting Vega64's i know, but in support to the greater good for all humanity i felt the need to start this thread. The more people mining the faster we can rid the banksters from our lives.

There is a pitfall and its about to go live next week, i am refering to the inclusion of Bitcoin futures on the CME. Most people have no idea what the implications of this are so i will try to explain.

i have been trading the commodities and stock markets for over 25years. The biggest threat to the banksters is competition to their ponzi scheme called the petrodollar where they create dollars out of thin air backed by a Promise to pay the bearer (hence Promisory note) and lend it at interest to our goverenments who in turn charge the populace and compound interest ontop, tax, and inflate. Up until 7 years ago the only serious and historical threat to their evil scheme are the precious metals namely Gold and Silver, which has been a store of value and medium of exchange for millenia in human history.

Via the introduction of said metals and all traded assets on the futures exchanges one is able to buy or sell at a price in the future using a fraction of the actual worth of the trade in exchange and that sets the price of today. The introduction of derivatives takes this proccess one step further and now one is able to buy or sell at a fraction of the fraction of real cost.
If one was to calculate the price of Gold and Silver from 1913 till today by simply adding inflation from then till now Gold should be worth $6000 and silver $730 http://usdebtclock.org/ (look on the right down) and yet the prices are $1250 and $15,80, a far cry from their real value.
How is that possible?

To make it simple,
i have an apple, you buy my apple and we agree the price to be $1 (price discovery) transaction happens (Buying a stock or commodity at face value)
i have an apple, you PROMISE to buy my apple in a month from now and give me $0,10 as a deposit, price of the apple is set at $0.10, a month from now you change your mind and dont follow through your promise so i keep the apple and the $0,10 (Buying an OPTION of a stock or commodity)
i have an apple, you PROMISE to PROMISE to buy my apple in a month from now and give me $0,01 as a deposit thus price is set at $0.01, a month from now you dont PROMISE to buy my apple i keep the apple and $0,01 (buying a DERIVATE).

Now i did not  know that you are creating the money out of thin air and can flood me with endless promises to promise to buy thus reducing the price of my apple to the level of your desire therefore you can go direct to the apple farmer and buy his apples for $0.01 a piece as this is price set in the markets like the CME.

Come forward to Bitcoin. Today buying a BTC will cost you $15 000, but with the inclusion of BTC on the CME you can now promise to promise to buy a BTC and pay $15 for it.

I see the subhuman scum on a daily basis bombing the prices of Gold and Silver (and others) with paper promises using money they create out of thin air backed by thin air because these metals are an institutional threat to their scam and have been caught doing it multiple times and fined topence (meaning nothing) for their illegal actions and are allowed to carry on.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-14/first-silver-now-gold-deutsche-bank-admits-it-also-rigged-gold-prices-legal-settleme
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-13/deutsche-bank-settles-silver-price-fixing-claims-lawyers-say

CRYPTOCURRENCIES ARE FROM THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE CONTROLLED BY THE PEOPLE
and institute a far greater threat to the filth than any other asset, commodity, currency
when you use dollars they are processed and held by the banksters and are taxed levied and stolen by said filth aside from the fact that your dollar today is worth 90cents tommorow because of inflation

when you use Crypto you are functioning ANONYMOUSLY and INDEPENDENTLY from the banksters

WHEN YOU MINE CRYPTO YOU ARE REPLACING THE BANKS MAKING THEM IRRELEVANT

by adding BTC on the CME the subhuman excrement can now bomb the price of BTC back to $0,0000000001 if they choose using fake dollars on a fake exchange between fake people.

thats why GPU mining has a future that ASIC is giving away
and what better GPU to use for this......yes you guessed it VEGA!!!!! (hahahahah)

ok rant off back to screwing the filth

ok i see people are saying the same thing over and over again so let me make painfuly obvious

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT MAXIMISING YOUR $ RETURNS
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT MAXIMISING ENERGY EFFICIENCY

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT LETTING THE VEGA MINING MONSTER OUT

what you mine and how is up to you, i am not suggesting you do what i do but merely giving you for free my findings as i am learning
my motives for mining are probably different than yours so our situation is not identical

if it makes you feel better to reiterate for the umpteenth time what i already know and probably most readers here do also, then laugh to yourself and move along, your input is useless and frankly juvenile

there is another thread and current results are 46.2mhs eth with 180watt, there is many useful information about other algos vega is capable to there ))

Do you know the current (average) best results for vega 56/64 xmr mining.. best hashrate/power consumption*

waiting for my 'partner in mine' to release his findings on how to get 10 Vegas running on the Asrock, i do know that you cannot connect all at once and startup, but rather one GPU at a time between restarts

he switched to XMR last night on all 10 but having problems getting all 10 at 2100sols, seems bus issues on mobos (drivers?) dont allow you to redline more than 6 at a time (at least thats he said to me last night)

we are examining a higher RAM value for XMR, most say you dont need more than 8Gb but we have a suspision this does not apply to all coins

if making $ is your thing then XMR seems the way to go at present more details to follow after Monday, big party tonight and i dont think Sunday will be a coherent day for posting  ;D

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another very important thing before i forget again, it is imperative to fit your mobo on a backplate and not have it free standing for two reasons, less chance you will damage it adding removing components (especially ATX connection) and also you ground it via the screw holes

in addition wear a static discharge bracelet when messing around with the hardware, if you dont have one just touch the earth wire on any wall socket before handling hardware, do not wear wool or acrylic clothing when handling hardware, do not have your rig on a carpeted room (static risk)

do not handle the hardware whilst its running and if you have to connect something whilst operating touch the earth on a wall socket first to discharge yourself

as mentioned before the hardware and especialy the GPU's are suceptible to Electro Magnetic radiation, so keep your PSU's, other transformers and especialy spark gap devices (to name a few)  as far as possible from your rig

cool, post a link

is it stable?
is that value peak or average?
how many cards on 1 mobo?
because i do the same with max 3 cards of 8 stable but no more (peaking at 46,6), system cant take long operation with more than 3 and hangs, errors in shares and the watchdog comes out lol....

with a max 6 VEGA rig you can get 2100sols per card @ 170W, we are testing to add more but there are driver-bus??? shortcomings
as i mentioned above my bro in charge of the 10 card asrock rig is busy partying and should do a write up next week

MINE EASY, PARTY HARD hehehe

to avoid problems when setting up multi GPU rigs use identical PSU's, as the VEGA has 2x8 inputs you need 2 cables for each GPU and 1 for the riser (avoid sata connections to risers, they gave us a headache)

all 3 per VEGA should be connected to the same PSU to avoid frequency conflicts

the EVGA1000 comes with 4 (i think) GQ 6 to 2x6+2 cables so you can use one cable per VEGA for every PSU out, which is handy as at 1000w if you have 4 VEGAs on it with moded Wattman to undervolt to 180-200W  with total 800W it works.
As mentioned before cables from a specific PSU may not work on another type even if they are from the same company like EVGA, so for example the EVGA1000 GQ cables work on the EVGA1600 G2 but not the other way round.

Problem being if you get a system drop and Wattman reverts to default settings the 4 VEGAs will draw 1200W and the PSU will shutdown, if you are using 1 PSU its ok but if you are using more than 1 and they are not bridged the other will keep feeding the VEGA's with your system shut down and this will kill your VEGAs by overheating. i almost did this and realised just in time after smelling the toasted electronics smell of death. a mistake that almost cost me $2000.

i am waiting for delivery of  6 to 2x8 cable splitters as an attachment to my G2 EVGA1600  cables (allowing use of one G2 cable per GPU) but i have read differing opinions on their use. We will use the thermal scanner and voltmeter on them to see if they are safe and stable, i will post results when done, but as with all hardware comming from questionable chinese manufacturers quality can vary greatly

again, visualy inspect all hardware before installation especialy solder points (get yourself a magnifying glass it helps), it doesnt take an electronics engineer to spot fused or non soldered component contacts

i have seen a thread here by a fellow that seems to have bypassed the Devfee

my personal feelings on this are negative as i believe work by anyone, if not stolen (not banksters as they dont work) should be rewarded by the agreed ammount, so when you download and use Claymore miner for example you have agreed to pay a nominal ammount to the person that sat and coded the program, not doing so is like stealing from a shop or unilateraly breaking a contract whilst continuing to benefit from it

thats just how i feel, others may have stealing as a way of life, just remember karma is your friend or your enemy, you decide which
how would you like it if i hacked your rig and replaced your wallet address for mine? (not that i know how or have such intent)

Why is the 12v fan so important?

to increase the life span of your VEGAs (or any other cards) you must try to run them as cool as possible, with the techniques i outlined before, as we are overclocking them beyond the manufacturer suggestion

try to keep the fan rpm at the lowest setting possible, something heavily depending on ambient temp so if its cooler outside try to hose and fan that air to the fans of your cards (always use filters to avoid crap entering the gpus)

if you live in warm climates know that your electrical cost is higher and longevity of gpus are lower if no precautions are taken

closed rig systems with cold air fed (in the bottom) from an airconditioning unit and heat exhaust in the top can be effective if the gpus are placed correclty (vertical in a row without having one blowing to the intake of another) and the a/c unit is powerful enough (BTU rating) to counter the Wattage heat coming off the gpus (a Watt is a measurement of heat), for every a/c 9000BTU in a closed system im guessing you can have up to 4 VEGAs (about 11 to 1 BTU to W ratio), include the electrical cost to your calculations  

keep the rig area clean and remove any fabrics from the surrounding area that produce fibers
set up your rig on a hard wood (laminate) or tile floor, if you are setting up in a garage or basement make sure the cement on floor and or walls is painted with a primer to avoid dust creation (cement creates dust naturaly just by walking on it)

when using a vaccum cleaner to clean the surrounding area do not use the contact or power line feeding the powered rig, switch off the rig and cover it with a non static non fiber sheet whilst cleaning, and wait 30mins after you finish before powering up the rig (you kick up dust whilst cleaning wait for it to settle down)

do NOT use a high pressure air blower to clean the gpu fans, you will damage them if not kill them in addition to pushing the crap on the blades further in the air passage on the electronic components inside causing possible shortcurcuits

dont do what i do and smoke in the visinity of the rig as nicotine, tar and thc crates a film inside the gpu and on top of all surfaces which shortens life span of hardware

we are critised as miners in using too much electricity to mine, THIS IS BULLSHIT propaganda by the powers that fear and loath what we are doing as the current banking methods of money transfer/holding use far greater ammounts of electricity, human and non human resources, just imagine how much it costs to build and run the data centers they use to store and run their sordid scam from sattelites in space to underground vaults let alone keeping the lights running in all their branches

so called green tech is synonymous to a few raping the many using natural predictable weather changes and blaming it on us but this is another can of worms that i could rant on forever, nough said

Very useful topic. Information about Vega 64 is small now. It seems the vega is very profitable now

dude cmon its a 2 pg thread, i already outlined why but here goes again
in the imgur link i provided already https://imgur.com/a/NHxbe  there are pics of the ASUS and ASROCK mobos we are using that have an overheating component you need to keep cool, for more details go back and read, thnx

170w seems unnecesarily high for best profit per power consumption.. Can probably get closer to 150w pretty easily and maybe even 130-110w with major undervolting and underclocking the core while keeping mem clock high, you'll still get 1800-1900+ h/s

yea most prob, but elec cost here in Norway is so cheap that the difference in the end of the month is a few dollars more (around 2-3) so we choose stability over power consumption, and hey gaining $1800/mnth on XMR at current prices is well over our $35 cost to run

cant use banana peel to run a Ferrari but you can use it to run a 2CV, take a pick

Not knocking anything, just trying to break the math down.

So some quick math and I come back with you're averaging about 44.375MH per card at 212.5 Watts per card.

Assuming you picked up the cards for about $500 a piece, if your power costs are cheap enough and you got the cooling, it works well when compared to other options out there in terms of bottom line profits. However if your power costs are above 6 cents per kwh, then there are better options out there in terms of bottom line profit as you can do ~30-32 MH at about half the power usage but you would need more cards (more rack space) to reach the hashrate you're putting out.

So in summary, nice hashrate for the density, not so nice for the power/profits for most.

If I only had 4U of rack space to play with, I'd totally build this type of rig.

lol my post with no links was deleted with a suspicious link removed message
strange

yes,

i did some changes last night before going to bed to see the result
and the results were surprising
i downed the voltage allowance to -24% on all gpus and tunned all cards to 1100 on the memory (which seem to be the settings everybody is using)

it seems the speed decreased by 5mh/s the total wattage went down almost 200w to around 1500w

and yet the shares found increased!!!! i know there is a large element of luck in share finding but im curious to see the weight of the different settings on share finding as this is what we are rewarded for in the end, i have an incling the VEGAs have a specialty finding shares in row (as shown in the pics and explained before) 

payment cycle is on the low side of the graph at 19hrs which is great, i just reached it now 0,05ETH
and oh yea, as i mentioned before capital gains from todays ETH price spike give me calculated monthly earnings on ETH at $870 right now 10% up from yesterdays post

again if i was mining purely for money then XMR is the way to go, faster speeds and lower wattage, waiting to see results from my mate, he switched to XMR last night and will report on them later next week

So i've been doing some experimenting with the vega myself. Vega 56 to be specific.

Turns out you can get decent profits on monacoin(lyra2rev) using mkxminer. Breakeven in about 3-4 months for just the card.

I strongly believe too that with driver advancements, the vega will perform a lot better. There is just so much compute power in it when you do the math.

What are you getting 47Mh/s with Vega and lyra2rev?  This puts it a little behind 1950h/s on Cryptonight, but it is definitely a good alternative.

Gotta say RIGED is into something here.   Vegas are sold out everywhere and I don't think the holidays can account for this.   Someone,  somewhere has figured out a way to tap into their mining potential of these cards.   How's the diff growth looking on ETH and XMR?

Its a combination of AMD discontinuing the Vega reference design (shifting to custom boards) and VERY high demand because the Vegas are really profitable for minging.... For gaming they are mediocre and you are better off buying at 1080 or 1070 Ti for the same or even lower price.

From what I understand, North America is pretty much sold out and here in Europe, they are very hard to find as well.

my local supplier komplett.no has no air cooled 64's (they have a handful liquid cooled ones) and neither do any shops i have looked at here in Norway

komplett have made a monster order for about 200 64's expected to arrive 2nd Jan from all manufacturers apart from MSI (which is the ones i use now)
Saphire seems to be the manufacturer with the greatest supply at the moment but no delivery until the 2nd Jan unconfirmed!!

this is getting crazy, i bought my cards for around $650 a couple of months ago and now the cheapest listing i can find is $750 (current ROI 24days mining ETH)
sounds like a gold rush no?
think i will put my money where my mouth is and pay for another 3 ($2250) to go with another ASUS mobo i paid for waiting arrival on 17th Dec
i dont like paying for anything without getting it in my hand instantly, but i fear these cards will disapear as soon as they are in stock

i know people, i could use that money to buy 11 lesser cards to fit my current rig (ASUS has 19PCIe but can only run 8 VEGAs with current drivers) but hey, i set myself down this path and have gotten quite competent in their use, so why change that which works

can you find any VEGA64's in your area? if so how much are they going for?

How do you ROI $750 in 24days mining Eth lol

yea soz, should of explained that better, at current ETH price and with my current rig setup im averaging $850/mnth, thats the number i was thinking about to come up with 24day ROI on 1 card

i could just switch over to XMR and pay the 3 card cost with my current rig in 1.5mnths approx excluding the gains from 3 more gpus but then again as i have mentioned before im looking years down the line and much much much grander scale of which i made positive steps today

found a 450m cold storage warehouse and agreed a rental price, talked to the local electricity supplier and they are willing to go below $0,0325 kWh with high use (over 500Amps) , im writting up the business model as we speak and stop to come back here to answer all you good people (my daughter is waiting for me to help her buy her first CryptoKittie as well, she has 0,052ETH in her JAXX wallet lol)

if my numbers dont make sense please excuse me as i am immersed in calculations at the mo

Cool and all, but switch to XMR/Electroneum ... running Ethash on Vega's is almost criminal, seeing as you are effectively halving your potential revenue.

You can't calculate ROI with GPU's you already own paying off a new GPU.   :D

I agree 100% with this. As of right now, it makes no sense mining anything other than CryptoNight with the AMD Vega cards as this is the only algorithm that seems to be optimized for the Vega architecture, or at least at the moment is utilizing the HBM2 and GPU cores the best.

I am sure that over the next few months we will see more and more algorithms get optimized for VEGA and then the real beast will be unleashed.

I don't have time this weekend, but someone must have done this already... 

This: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2360168.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2360168.0) miner might have potential but is restricted to only work on some pools/coins.

jeeeeeezzzz guys,
im not trying to maximise profits and im getting all this flak from you all when i am clearly saying this over and over again, i know this sounds stupid almost criminal LOL but....

ok i cave in to your pressure

gimme the wattman settings for 8 Vega 64's on the Asus
suggest what miner to use
do you think nanopool is ok for XMR?
any other tips
and will try to set it up and post results,
but just to remind you we have 10 Vega's running XMR on nanopool right now and only 6 of them are willing to go full throtle


ROI or Breakeven semantics, get my money back one way or another

Don't forget... you can mine the most profitable coin/algo (with vega) like xmr/electroneum.. and if you have faith in eth longterm instead of mining straight eth.. mine electroneum and daily sell your electroneum for eth so you get more eth daily that way then just straight mining eth

Apologise OP for texting in this topic.
Can someone help me with ''best recepie'' for mining rig building, in start it will run on 3 vega 56, and leater on 6 56s.
Thanks.

Hi,
Just tell me please how did you managed to running 10x vegas on ashrock h110 mobo.
Thanks

Hi. RIGED`s bro here.
The Crimson drivers from 17.11.1 and up supports up to 12 Vegas on the Asrock BTC+. Have runned them stable with the 17.11.1 now for quite some time. Just install 8 cards first with the remaining two plugged out on both pcie and riser power. Then after install and confirmed 8 cards working, shut down plug one more card, reboot and log in, wait untill the screen stops flickering/mouse flicker, confirm 9 cards working, shutdown, plug next card, reboot log in, wait for screenflicker/mouse flicker, confirm 10 cards working.
Tried mining XMR for a day but ended up with multiple hangs and therefore went back to ETH mining. Have anybody here got any good stable settings for XMR in wattman running Crimson 17.11.1 driver? Not possible to install the
Blockchain driver with so many cards.
Will get another Asrock BTC+ next week hopefully and will splitt the rig and try Electroneum with blockchain drivers to hopefully se the 2000H per card. Fingers crossed..


Thamez

Congrats on such a great board build. I don't understand however that you insist on Mining Ethereum when you can crush it mining Monero, 8 GPU-s like that should give you about 12.000 or even more hash mining Monero. I think you need to switch to maximize performance and lower down the consumption although with 0.04 USD/kwatt you are mining at 4 times less than us here in Italy at 0.16 Euro/kwatt and your standards of living are higher.

Yeah, don't use Wattman at all. Use OverdriveNtool and Devcon.exe to reset Vegas.

Check out the scripts to automate and monitor/restart as hashrate drops.

http://vega.miningguides.com/ (http://vega.miningguides.com/)

I run stable with the following on Vega 56 stock Bios, note I have not done reg hack:

I also run a smaller rig in Norway with a buddy from there and sometimes we talk about expanding.
So out of curiosity, if your confortable sharing the info, how much are you paying for that rental? That space is huge though...

450 m2, he asked for 20.000NOK per month cold storage. Been on the market a while i can probably get it for less with the upgrades i must do.

Heres a tip for you, have air intake pipes (normal ventilation pipes) coiled or snaked on the ground outside your facility.
when it snows (if you live north so much the better) shovel as much snow on top of the pipes as possible all winter long
when spring comes and we get warm degrees cover it with insulation (glava) and/or winter mats

Obviously using a motor you will have ice cold air to feed to your intakes all summer long

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BRO... i told ya stay away from those nasty pitfall blockchain drivers..... lolololol

Waiting for the new Asus mobo plus larger RAM, 32 huh, and im splitting the 8 vegas into two rigs scoping for 16800h xmr etn

prob is what to do with the ninth? Its 3 short of a third muhahahahah

I knew it!! The secret is SNOW!!

I have my Vegas in the basement and the whole house is kept warm from them.  ;) Hoping for a long and COLD winter so I can justify the power bill for my wife....   ;D

Thanks OP for the wealth of information here  :D
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by the part in green.
Does the setting keep changing after each reboot e.g?

What hashrates are you getting with this setup out of interest? I'm guessing around 1800-1850? Am I far off the mark? And total draw from the wall under 1200W?

This is why i mine everyday and dont mind having gpu's in my room even.
Its up to us to make them change or else who will?

Good to know there are others are out there that share the same sentiment.

Crimson drivers are notoriously buggy especially when using more than 4 GPUs and thats why i we use 17.11.1 as for ETH with claymore HBM is not needed

the Crossfire function although im sure great for gaming throws a spanner in the mining works, when testing with newer Crimson versions i found that although you can seemingly switch it off (after a few tries of off and on) it can switch back on by itself while you are mining and cause system fail, and yes it can also revert back to on after reboots, if you dont need it dont use it

i also pefer to do a volantary 24-48 hour reboot refreshing the system thus maintainig stabilty and uptimes

lol Panzer i didnt even tell my wife about the money i spent until the rig was in the house, after 3 weeks of steady income she got the point hahaha

yea, the tipping point for me to endevour in this was bypassing the bansksters and TAX FREE income aspect of it

its a brave new world

 

Have you investigated the temperature dependence on the number of cards? Do you think that specific component that you pictured influences PCIe slots to stop working by transferring heat to them, or you suggest that motherboard has built in feature to stop when some of its elements pass predefined threshold temp. Have you solved the problem with introducing some kind of heating that you mentioned?

The fact that you reported lead either to the conclusion that Asrock ,  ASUS motherboard is not designed properly: it always overheats when there are many gpus (>10) or that you have motherboards that are not working properly or that high power VEGA consumption specifically  heats the board.

In my case I render the picture from the integrated GPU on CPU(i3) but still the picture freezes so I might conclude it's not due to PCIe.

Have you tried to read some motherboard temperatures from HWInfo?

Here is my previous post for other thread so you can know my conf:

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Hello,
I had the problem that system freezes at random time intervals while mining when using 10 Nvidia cards on H110 motherboard running on windows. I was aware of the limit on windows: 8 nvidia and 5 amd, or other way round so I got an information that windows solved that problem in Fall creators update. Unfortunately, my system was running two days and after that it started to freeze again on random time intervals when mining: approximately 2-3 hours.  I tested both EWBF and DSTM miner. Has anyone reported that this win update can fix the problem?

This is a description my system conf:

Rig:
10x Zotac 1070 AMP Extreme
Asrock H110 Pro BTC
Intel i3
8GB RAM
500 HDD
2x corsair 1000W + Kolink 750W : 2750W

OC:
Power Limit: 65
GPU Core: 70
Memory Core: 270
Target Temp: 70

OS:
Windows 10, Fall creators Update

EWBF: 4600 sol/s   Power usage: 160W/card
DSTM: 4750 sol/s

''

THNX DRAGONMIKE trying it now

hi theubi


as i said im no computer engineer but i know that resistance grows with heat and heat with resistance so as a general rule i prefer to keep things cool, and this component goes above my reasonable zone of 70C

running more programs than the nesessary when we are overclocking ususaly leeds to trouble so i havent run mobo specific programs as we found no other heat blooms of concern on it

as for the Asus mobo it clearly states in the manual that you cannot run more than 8 AMD's on it until the upgrade, or so they say, and when i tried to run 9 two of them drop to nearly half speed of the others

we have suffered from the same freezes as im sure many here have, after checking all the cabling (risers especialy), virtual memory, performance settings, sleep functions, switching positions of ram bricks, switching off cortana, checking task scheduler, removing unwanted startup programs, (you can try switching off automatic windows updates, any other auto updating program), and switch off the AERO theme in intel graphics drivers

if all that still fails try a win reinstall and through that list again and if it fails again start switching the PCIe riser connections around
you should find Eldorado in the end

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xwH48d/asus-prime-z270-p-atx-lga1151-motherboard-prime-z270-p
This is my mobo, any suggestions for heatsink?

with high confidence i would say its:
orientate the board so you read "CrossFire Ready"
to the left there is a silver drum and to the left again a black square chip
thats the culprit i believe

ventured into the NTool as pointed out by dragonmike above

WHAT A GREAT TOOL!!!

the best function of all is being able to save the settings under different labels so as to adjust all or each vega

45.5Mh on all is unstable, although great momentarily as there is a jump of 1,8Mh/s on every card for a total of 14,4Mh!!!

i tried tweeking this card or that card but the result was not reliable albeit due to shortage of time i didnt spend too much time on trial and error

it seems these multi PCIe mobos although advertised as able to run under such heavy busing stress, can only deliver on less powerful cards and cant take more than 4 boosted VEGAs STABILY, still waiting for driver update on mine

the Asrock again seems to preform better with multi gpu's, Thamez is more accomplished than i with electro-electronics

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my SOLUTION was to restart, open WATTMAN, apply the old settings on all cards (1100mem, 1000cpu,-24%) which give a stable 43.7

then open NTool and mod the 1st 4 cards in the NTool selection tab,
these seems to make a difference for me as its the last 4 that were having issues when i was testing 45.5 on all

this way i get a steady and stable 4 cards on 45.5 and 4 on 43.7 for a tot of 357Mh/s or 2% boost on previous speeds
wattage seems unaffected around 1800

thnx for the tip dm
gotta love this community, its not only about monetary gain and people prove it actively here
shout out to the forum and its memebers


 

Thanks for the reply.
Yeah, I think I will end up like people who were trying to find Eldorado. At least, I will get a huge satisfaction by watching my mobo being destroyed to death. After that, I will simply buy two 6 gpus mobos. I think that by trying to solve this problem I have lost money equivalent to at least  6 ordinary mining boards,  if not even more.

https://imgur.com/a/NHxbe

posted images of NTool settings and GPUZ values, ambient temp

using NTool on the first 4 cards im getting 46,2Mh
using Wattman on the last 4 cards im getting 43,5Mh

total 359Mh/s for all 8

used GPUZ to check values including HBM temp
all good and stable, will let it run for a couple of days like this

im up 10Mh/s stable from previous best, thats a quarter of a vega more speed!!!

DragonMike....Bostonvex... ???..heck we all look a like here anyways...you're welcome.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2549085.msg26151310#msg26151310 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2549085.msg26151310#msg26151310)

woooopsiiee, was giving cred to the quote DM

@Bostonvex, dude you're the man, cheers, send me your ETH address i'll send a token of appreciation;D


setting up a 4 vega64 Monero beast by next week maybe you wanna help?

MSI Z270 Tomahawk, Socket-1151
Intel Pentium G4400 Skylake Prosessor
Kingston A400 240GB 2.5" SSD
Corsair Dominator DDR4 3200Mhz 16GB (2pc)
EVGA1000 GQ Hybrid x 2
XFX Vega 64 x 3
MSI Vega 64 x 1
Flat cable risers x 4

target: 8400H/s

No worries at all, it was funny and made me laff. Love this community, we all learn and grow together.

That build looks awesome. I have 4 Vega 56s doing 7600H/s mining XMR. My second rig has 2 x 56s so far...waiting on a 64.

Hello im considering building a Vega rig for mining xmr . Can i get some suggestions with an either 4 or 6 card vega 64 build   I want something stable (not counting initial time building setting it up ofcorse) that i do not have to micromanage/troubleshoot every few days/weeks. electricity is around 10-11 $USD cents here in canada

im thinking:
6x Gigabyte Vega 64
Intel Pentium G4400
2x 900W HP Server platinum power supply    @220
32GB thumb drive for hard drive

thats as far as i got so far, need suggestions for motherboard and ram

That is maybe a quarter electricity cost that I have, thats super low.   Norway has cheap energy why ?  I know they have oil but its usually hydro power local to the users that creates cheap power due to excessive rainfall perhaps or other local factors.

Buying Vega is still a very expensive way to enter mining but I believe Vega will be the premier card for another two years and still retain its value so it makes some sense.   The biggest wrong turn here is ETH is not the most profitable coin to mine, I think XMR runs fastest on Vega unless the power factor changes that.

The main reason to mine ETH would be to keep it not cash it out to BTC or USD.   ETH could possibly appreciate further from here as its breaking a downtrend, most would think BTC would rise faster.
A farm has a fast enough turnover to mine XMR and then buy ETH if they wanted, thats probably still cheaper to do.

Almost average 45mh for ETH mining sounds good though.   What power draw does gpu-z show  for comparison sake, I have 180w at 43.5mh, I think this could be improved but Im not running a big farm and its stable

Haha LoL it wasn't me this time!
I might have mentioned OverdriveNtool as well at some point, maybe hence the confusion.

I use OverdriveNtool on my Vega rig indeed, it's brilliant. On my RX 570 rigs I just set the clocks in Claymore. Had to use Wattman in the past and it's the biggest POS (no, I don't mean point-of-sale, nor proof-of-stake) software ever invented.

On my nVidia rig I use nvidiainspector which does exactly the same.

Happy mining, fellas!

NTool ROCKS!!!

i retasked the 8 vegas to ETN

no changes on my driver settings 17.11.1
no changes to registry tables

i set these values in NTool for all 8 Vega:

CPU ST6 1212
CPU ST6 VOLT 890
CPU ST7 1408
CPU ST7 VOLT 890
MEM P3 1100
MEM P3 VOLT 870
FAN MIN 2500
FAN MAX 4900
TARGET TEMP 75
ACCOUSTIC 0
MAX TEMP 85
POWER TARGET 0

diasbled/enabled gpus in device manager

started nanopool ELECTRONEUM claymore miner (done the edit with my details already)

total speed 9800H/s
using only 1250W !!!!!!!!

will be doing the regedit next to attempt stated goal

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Norway has an abundance of tall sharp valleys and running water and has invested heavily into hydroelectric power
there is an oversupply for the 5.5 million residents even if its wasted and STATNET sells it to Germany and oher European countries
the oil money (25% of European demand) is separate
i have lived in a few countries around the globe and this one takes the biscuit for quality of living in the western world

Good, now use Cast XMR and sent that total speed to 15500H/s+

9800/8=1225h/s ???? wtf man =)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You u it wrong. Using Cast_XMR. It's better than Claymore for sure.
With vega56,64 u can match 1900h/s ez i promise

Using cast XMR I can get my vegas up to 2050 h/s ez. That would be a total hashrate of 16400 h/s for 8!!!

thnx for replies guys

ive spent a full 36hours rigging

completed the regedit with the helæ table, god bless him/her/they

got the next best available mobo as the asus mining i ordered was delayed
MSI Z270 Tomahawk with 2 vega on it and the Asus with 6
getting 4 vegas more next week bringing the MSI Z270 to 6 vegas (i saw some are having probs over 4 with this mobo)

yea i know got to get cast as claymore is giving max 12200h/s on both rigs at the moment (1600 each gpu)
for now i am glad to have both rigs up and running stable waiting for the upgrade next week
that was not easy, i wont bore you with details but the bios was not my friend on this one
total watts 1450

uploaded new pic
red is MSI, blue is Asus

https://imgur.com/Zi8OxkO

CAST XMR IS KING!!!

all i did was to exchange miners from claymore to cast and BAAMM 2000+h per card
for a total of 16100h/s
burning 1440W
500ETN every 14 hours!!!

this should grow to 25000h/s next week
i will post some screenshots

had to specify the GPU's by the -G 0,1,etc command at the end (i have 6 on this)
for nanopool edit run.bat file to:


if you're getting an opencl error specify by: -opencl 0or1or2 (test to see which works) after default space in the command line
i did not have this problem

i suppose the field marked as default is the worker name, i kept it as default on both and nanopool is showing 1 active worker (when its 2) stating the combined hash rate, think i will keep it this way

if for any reason you want to send some etn to the op, the addy's above
if you c/p change the wallet addy or you will be mining for me  :-* (from etnkNeb to n7p3 not the dot)


its -14C here.......

What bios and card type are you using?  AS in is it a stock 64 bios, or modified and if modified do you have a link or memorystrap settings?

hallo, i'm newbie
just want to start joining the mines

I want to ask,
what is the normal speed of vega 56 and 64 mining on ETH, XMR, ETN (no overclocked and bios mod)?

its save for mining nonstop?

Thanks

here is the comple list of components programs drivers proceedures resources:

https://imgur.com/Zi8OxkO
2 Rigs 1 Frame Total Capacity 12 x Vega 64

Rig Blue:
Asus B250 mining expert mobo x 1
RAM 8Gb = 2x4Gb
Pentium G4400 x 1
128Gb SSD x 1
PSU EVGA1600 x 1
PSU EVGA1000 x 1
PCIe RISERS x 6
GPU VEGA 64 x 6
SYS FAN 12V x 1

Rig Red:
MSI Z270 TOMAHAWK mobo x 1
RAM 16Gb = 2x8Gb
Pentium G4400 x 1
256Gb SSD x 1
PSU EVGA1600 x 1
PCIe RISERS x 2
GPU VEGA 64 x 2 (for now)

Drivers:
INTEL GRAPHICS (monitors connected to mobo not gpu)
AMD BLOCK CHAIN DRIVERS (Aug release)

Programs:
OS WIN PRO10 64bit
DDU
OverdriveNTool
REGISTRY TABLES by HELLÆ

Proceedure:
1.(standard practices i followed are listed in previous posts)
2.physicaly disconnect all GPU's from mobo
3.connect monitor to mobo
4.power on
5.set mobo bios to mining mode (explained below)
6.restart
7.make sure virtual mem is set at 60000mb
8.use DDU remove all display drivers (set to unistall and restart)
9.check registry address (if you dont know how, dont follow this proceedure):
make sure that 0000 and/or 0001 are intel graphics, etc folders, you should have no vega folders, if you do then repeat step
10.shut down
11.remove power cable from PSU, connect only 1 Vega
12.reconnect PSU and power on
13.give it time to do its thing after loading windows_ _ _ _ _ _few minutes (i miss the HDD led)
14.install AMD Blockchain Driver using custom mode not express uncheck all apart from graphics drivers (audio, wizard, settings)
15.allow time after installation complete, windows is still updating stuff on the os
16.shut down
17. remove power cable from PSU, connect only 1 more Vega
18.reconnect PSU and power on
19.give it time to do its thing after loading windows_ _ _ _ _ _few minutes (i miss the HDD led), it should have automaticaly updated the device manager and driver for the added Vega (check in device manager if you want)
20.shut down
21.repeat steps 17 to 20 to install all your Vegas one at a time
22.check device manager to see all installed correctly
23.update to Registry Table by Hellæ (you should have the same number of reg folders as you have Vegas installed)
24.Restart
25.goto device manager disable/enable all gpus manualy or use devcon (some say doing this 3 times eliminates long operation hashrate drop)
26.start Ntool, up min fan speed to ex. 3000 (do this for all gpus)
27.start prepared cast xmr miner
28.Robert's your fathers brother

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the Asus mining dedicated mobo has a mining function in the Bios that applies the correct settings in one
the MSI however needs some tweaking for 2 reasons:

1.once you connect the first gpu the monitor signal is set to route to it and you loose the mobo monitor port
you cannot have the monitor connected on gpu as hash drops and enable/disable is tricky and miner window when operating creates screen artifacts instead of text, dogle and teamviewer ideas are a bandaid and not a solution, to fix this disconect all gpus, connect monitor to mobo:
A.enter BIOS (del key)
B.switch to advanced view (F7)
C.Settings (on the left)
D.Advanced
E.Intergrated Graphics Devices Configuration
F.Initiate Graphic adapter -set to IGD
G.F10 to save and exit

better making BIOS changes one problem at a time, makes recovery easier if change doesnt work

2.setting the mobo in mining mode:
A.enter BIOS (del key)
B.switch to advanced view (F7)
C.Settings (on the left)
D.Advanced
E. (top selection, PCI....writting this from memory sorry)
F.PEG0 Max Link Speed -set to GEN2(try GEN1 if it doesnt work)
G.PCI Latency Timer -set to 96........(gives gpu more bus time to solve, not always necessary can leave as default)
H.Above 4G memory/Crypto Currency mining -set to ENABLED
I.F10 to save and exit

these were the bios tweeks i did on the MSI

after i finished instaling all gpus on a mobo, i check the reg key path to make sure i had as many RX Vega folders as i had GPUs connected, the first time i attempted it wasnt equal so i used DDU a second time and started again. This is important when applying the power play tables (RegEdit).
Remember to set 0 on EnableCrossFire and EnableUlpl in each RX Vega reg key file when doing the reg edit and check on next restart that it was applied otherwise miner wont work

when restarting the computer always remember to disable/enable the gpus before running miner

full credit and respect goes to Hellæ for the reg mod (power play tables)
full credit and respect to the coder of cast xmr, its lightning, light and stable
full credit and respect for the mining community putting out bits of info that i used to find El Dorado

check out on YT:
Geek Mark (respect to this guy for simple concise explanations)
Son of a Tech (got some Bios settings info from him)
and a host of others for general info

Thanx guys

to be continued next week on scheduled upgrade 21Dec

continued in a min....................

Christmass came early!!!

installed 3 more Vega 64 on the MSI Z270 mobo (red) for a total of 5
https://imgur.com/vDWksS2

no easy feat may i add as this gaming mobo can only utilise 4 of the 6 available PCIe slots at a time, i tried various combinations/restarts connecting to the regular PCIe mobo slots but the most i could get it to recognise was 4 which is clearly stated in the mobo manual (pic included), leaving the builder with 2 choices (please let me know of others):

1. using a 1 to 4 PCIe adapter (3 additional slots, i have 2 such adapters)
2. Using a M.2-1 to PCIe adapter (1 additional slot, i ordered 4 adapters, the second M.2-2 cancels a regular PCIe, refer to manual)

i connected the 1 to 4 adapter on PCIe 1 via logic as its 1st in the bus queue and is metal sheath coated for physical strength, connected 3 GPUs to it and the other 2 on mobo slots, by trial and error i found the correct combination for device manager to show all 5 working properly

at this stage i followed my methodology from above and checked the reg files to see i had 5 VEGA folders but after all the trials it showed 7, being adventurous and contrary to previous experience i changed the registries on all 7 folders, disabled enabled cards (NO PC RESTART) and started Cast XMR miner

BOOOOMMM  10.000H/s  !!!!

added to the ASUS 6 VEGA rig (blue) 12.000H/s for a total of
      
              22.000H/s
at 2400W including mobos and screens thats 218W perGPU (cpu+mem=905V on Ntool) which is on the high side but again i prefer to spend a few $cents a month extra for stability as lower voltage settings caused various problems for me

Super STABLE mining ETN electroneum on Nanopool getting paid 500 coins 3 times a day for a calculated income of $3.200 a month approx
(looking at Sumocoin hhmmmmmmm)

from experience my total ETH mining speed should be around 490Mh/s, criminal to mine ETH now lol as said above

i have 1 more VEGA to install on the MSI mobo but its suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome

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OPTIMAL AMBIENT TEMP AT 3200 RPM IS 5-6c

this ensures that the HBM2 temp stays well below the 70C threshold with CPU temps in the mid 30's
i have been keeping tabs on environmental conditions (in/out temp, humidity) to find the optimal operating temperature
you can use lower fan RPM but as im away from the miner for hours at a time i have callibrated for a possible rise in outside temp (teamviewer on a smart phone screen is not fun)

hope you find this info useful and im not spending all this time talking to myself

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i do have a question for those experienced in using power splitter adapter cables from a VGA 8 pin to 2x8 (so i can remove the EVGA1000 PSU)
various people on the net claim that they cause electrical noise and should not be used
are you using them on a VEGA? if so whats your take on the matter?

thnx

ps i bought 10 on/off switches for $4 to replace the bare wires im currently using in favour of a more modern look hahahaha

beast mode achieved

12 x VEGA64 @ 23900H/s on CRYPTONIGHT-ETN

6 on MSI 6 on ASUS
2630W

pics here:

https://imgur.com/wvYNmUd

not following my own advice about having the same number of registry entries (folders) as you do VEGAs meant i had to DDU and reinstall mining drivers etc..

i know some have achieved 2200h per vega but im content with this speed and a super stable system

thnx all

Dude my 5 bios flashed Vega56 cards do 9850.

lol, read on it gets a lot better!!!

here is a little snipet i have not seen anywhere but noticed after watching the two miners run simultaneously on nanopool etn.eu1 server on the same house router same outgoing connection

i seem to be having more luck, meaning a higher calculated hash rate = more shares found, when setting one miner(blue) on etn.eu1 and the other(red) on etn.eu2

i dont know if this is relevant to other pools but on nanopool it seems to make a difference, at least for me earning approx

dont like how the ETN trading order book looks like though............

boost HBM2 to 1200MHz

How to unlock the 1107mhz HBM2 cap on Vega64

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2550962.new#new

I use VGA splitters on Vega and no issues.  But I also don't have any problem mixing power supplies on the same rig, so I am not sure what you are doing.  So long as you are not drawing above 240w through each card, and you shouldn't if you use OverDriveNTool and Reg mods, I don't think it will present a problem.

The 6 pin VGA to dual 6+2 VGA cables are nice (the add-on adapters work fine as well), especially if you are using something like a HP server PSU (1500w common slot) and a breakout board.

I am very much curious about mining. The information provided in this thread are very valuable for me. Your experience is guideline to me. I am using Coinpot website for mining Bitcoin and altcoin on my laptop.

thnx for the response, i needed to hear this as connecting 6 Vega with risers equals to 18 connections
with 8 to 6+2x2 adapters i can use one EVGA1600 to power all from its total 9 VGA out ports
i believe the only consideration is having the same or bigger calliber cabling on the adapter to not cause resistance thus heat

yea im using the 1100 reg file with Ntool runing at 218W/GPU incl mobo and screen
(tests with the 1200 reg file shot my Wattage to max on all cards over 320W/GPU, need more time for trial+error)

the PSU debate rages on lol, im just cautious to have the same PSU on the riser as card
i suppose exaclty the same PSUs used in synch can be mixed as they produce the same frequency voltage

thnx again

Yes, pay attention to the wire gauge, I agree.

One setup that I have used on a number of rigs:  HP PSU powering 5 or 6 video cards and risers; ATX power supply powering the motherboard and maybe 1-3 other video cards and their risers.  Works very well for me even though completely different power supplies.  Cheaper alternative.  YMMV.

Why would you mine ethereum….? Mine something more profitable and exchange for ETH on exchanges….

He’s addressed that multiple times.

Its no surprise that I can’t find vega’s anywhere  ::)

Question 1: does anyone know when a new batch is going to hit the market so I can plan accordingly? I’ve emailed a few companies but no one is revealing anything.

Question 2: can I piece together a rig of different 56’s and 64’s? I found a few in single quantities and was thinking about doing 2 64’s and 2 56’s. They would all be different aftermarket models. Would I run into any issues setting these up?

Question 3: (wishful thinking) can anyone spare me the misery and private message me a source where I can grab 4 vega 64’s? I’ve turned the internet upside down looking for them  ???

i certainly feel vindicated
as mentioned above there are no Vegas to be found apart from a few private sales on ebay for double price, saw 1 single card available on amazon for $1400

im quite certain by now that i was correct in my hunch about these specific GPU's and why i went the extra mile and buck to build two 6 card rigs with them

and yes, for those that read the first page and last only (missing the meat of the matter in the between pages) i was mining ETN at 24000H/s for a week. Today i turned 1 rig over to Sumokoin, as an old investor diversification is my friend and i would like to own as many different coins as possible although ETN stills seems the most promising if they are able to come through on releasing the app for mobile mining (which is a waste of time at 50-100h/s but most people dont know such details so the hype is enough to drive the price to Mars)

i also bought a couple of shit coins today, got 4.5mil rabbit coin and 100k Tittie coin, i know they are worthless and i probably lost 1.5days of ETN mining (what they cost) but hey, rabbit was 4satoshis and tittie coin has the standard red blooded male concept behind it, so just for shits and laughs i thought id vault these two mistakes

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been messing around with the now unlocked 1200MHZ HBM2, but still cant get it to be stable
got an additional 140H per card on same settings but uped CPU to 1448 and MEM to 1120, seemed stable for about 3hrs and then froze (gave me a headache after reconfiguring the gpus and drivers, lost a little mining time), one thing i did notice was the power usage actually went down about 200W with these changes (weird, faster for less power???)

if you are already using the 1100 Hellæ reg table all you need to do is go to the reg folder of each Vega (path mentioned before) double click to edit the pp_PhmSoftPowerPlayTable, go down about a third of the table to row 00B8 (after 00B0) follow the sequence 01,00,06,6C,B0 and click on 6C change to C0 and next click on B0 change to D4, exit and do the same for all cards, (or download the unlocked SoC reg table ed from the link provided above) and now you can go over the 1107MHz MEM clock cap all the way to 1200 if you can find the correct settings for each specific GPU as they have different tolerences, and if you do please let me know
i take no credit for the above info, it can be found in the op thread mantioned above (all apart from the row identifier in the hex table i had to figure that out myself)

this unlock seems that whilst  running the exact same settings as before (thus stability) gives a little extra speed to all GPUs anyway without any further adjustments

ok, i will let this out the bag...... it seems one can turn the VEGA 8Gb HBM2 into 2x4 thus running 2 threads at the same time thus doubling the hash rate (2000H/s) thus 1 VEGA works as 2
so what would happen if one was knowledgeable anough to turn the 16Gb of the VEGA FRONTIER and FE edition into 4x4 thus running 4 threads at the same time thus quadrupling the hash rate (4000H/s) thus 1 VEGA works as 4 :o

oh crap,  there goes the Frontiers from the market too, maybe this thread is counterproductive for people like me

enough for now, back to busting the central bankster criminal cartel

Happy New Year all

Riged, when you find and reveal the secrets of this card, please share it with a fellow Norwegian x)
Make it work as four and we start a farm together haha

..and by all means... the rest of the community ^^

A new batch of AMD Vega cards wont be out until they alter the production to 12nm and revise the overall card spec slightly.   Similar to what was done with 480 and 580.   I have heard the new card would run less power and also less heat, that has some benefits but Im not sure it would be faster overall especially for mining which is just about the memory speed alot of the time and it'll be the same memory so far as I know.

Maybe the summer for those and meanwhile you have the AIB card partners releasing their versions of Vega but these are just fancy versions and not really any use to a miner who doesnt care about noise.


you can mix 56 and 64 from what I've read

Thought the new Vegas would scrap HMB2 and just use DDR5/6.

I should whip out a slide here to show all the various Vega types I havent got time to find that but my guess is the 2nd revision of present PC gfx cards will still use HBM2 because that is the superior choice.    However also there is other lesser Vega chips to be released that will cut back on features, will fit into laptops and will be using other memory types.   I also read of Vega to replace rx580 in the end, it would make sense to use the cheapest memory there

https://i.imgur.com/VARoxYH.jpg

dont know the 7nm part is true for vega, navi is.   Just a slide I saw now.  Vega 24 will be a gpu within a Intel cpu apparently

thanx for the info STT,

i dont understand these morons, why the hell are they trying to fix something that is sold out in hours after production????

got word that we will have a fresh batch of Vegas here in Norway by beggining of February 2018, dont know if this applies to the rest of the world


im in the process buddy, looking for cheap accomodation to house the farm, raising funds has not been particularly difficult due to current factual performance success of around $3000 per month on ETN using 12 Vegas on rocket boost giving 24.000H/s average

Godt Nytt År

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL

Don't know if its the blockchain drivers or the miners but the FE only seems to use 8GB in mining which explains why XMR-Stak only allows two lots of 2016 threads

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/12/31/ScreenShot2017-12-31at17.01.35.png (https://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/Ed4s)

sidenote:
interestingly I wasn't running GPU-Z and was running fine on 4050+ H/s for 2x FE, soon as I launched the gpu-z monitor to take the above pic,  hashrate dropped down to 1700H/s each. hadn't noticed that before but I don't generally run it once I get a stable config

need help. my two vegas mining fine.
got 1080ti,so i set up everything. 1080ti hashing fine.
but when 1080ti is in rig and I soon i start miner for vegas system freezes and restarts. any clue why?
if i pull out 1080 its working fine. tried 1080 on pci riser. on motherboard everytime same happens

now when i go to wattman settings - same thing system restart. WHAT THE HECK

You need to mention your full spec, but I would put all your components into a PSU calculator and see if its well below the rating for your PSU.    Vega can draw alot of power for a moment even if it sits below 150w most of the time.

I imagine its something along those lines.   A PSU loses about 10% of its capacity for each year its been used also.  Maybe try disconnect power cables, or rotate from spare stock just to be sure.   Obviously can try a new OS install to rule that out.


I find VEGA very weird in general.  I dont know if Im seeing things but its doing 49MH for Skunk.   I lowered it from 240w on GPU-z and its now down to 78w showing the same hash, I dont know what its changed to drop and still keep the same hash.    Reminds me of people who reported clocking 2000 mhz core and actually it was the card false reporting, but hashing I should know.  
In this case the fan speed also halved and temps are lower, it would seem its dropped volts by itself.  I have also seen it report 700w (https://i.imgur.com/4blRHvk.png) usage as a spike, check your highest on the counter and anyone might see similar

Nice thread, I have just 5 VEGA 56 in an ASUS Mining Expert rig for now. I appreciate the info on whatever that overheating component is on the motherboard. Stuff like that is a major source of hair loss! I'm sure some of the stuff you've mentioned is just 'best practice' or 'common sense' and even 'paranoia', but we need to keep all these things in mind when messing with VEGAs and 20 slot motherboards and crappy blockchain drivers...
I've noticed a lot of incorrect assumptions and entire guides/walkthroughs with incorrect information because miners are not understanding really anything about this hobby from the operating system, hardware, right through to the mining software and coins. Please just take everything said with a grain of salt -- do your own tests and verify things are behaving as expected.
I've burnt out a VEGA before just by leaving it plugged into the riser without the pci express / usb thing connected.  I heard it make a cracking sound and realized it was cooking itself a bit too late. Why would it pull power and burn itself out without even trying to spin a fan? Ask powercolor or whoever made that shitty bios. It didn't destroy the card completely, but it never performed stably at any mining after that incident.
AMD tip: make yourself a .reg file to disable the ULPS and Crossfire settings for like 10 cards at one click (21 if you have the mining expert). It won't hurt anything to run it on non-existent cards or schedule it to run (regedit -s file.reg) although I haven't gone this far myself. But it's true sometimes you will need to do this on cards you haven't touched because windows decides to mess with the drivers.
VEGA tip: Don't plug your screen into a VEGA card -- it will probably lose about 200 h/s on cryptonight and unplugging your screen again won't necessarily fix that. It often makes it much much worse. You might have to reboot. Either use another card for display or just use remote desktop or something to manage it. I ASSUME using a dummy plug will cause this problem too.
AMD tip: The order of your cards in the registry control set folders is not necessarily the same as the order of the cards in your favorite overclocking tool or the device manager. If you have all the same cards, or you use DDU methodically, or if you've never have a loose cable before, sure, it might work like this. Don't rely on it. Any time windows wants to reinstall a driver it leaves the old folder and just makes a new one. Try to verify what you're doing by listening for the fan speed change and keep your cards numbered with physical labels so you don't mix them up.
AMD tip: atikmdag-patcher.exe should be renamed to atikmdag-patcher-bios.exe first so it only fucks with ONE dll file. What it's doing is hazardous and not easily reversible should it ever fail. Windows can decide that these patched dll files, lacking a valid digital signature, will not be loaded. You can end up with a bunch of 0-byte AMD dll files in your system folder and/or the inability to run any programs including the amd driver installer or possibly even ddu. If this ever happens, you need to delete the symbolic links to the patched files from your system32 folder and then copy virgin dll files from the extracted amd driver package to system32. Don't reboot until reinstalling the drivers again, or corrupted files might be restored again by Windows.
VEGA tip: Cast XMR does some weird shit with hash rates dropping for no apparent reason after a while that can be really really hard to fix. The only thing that worked for me is to take all the non-vega cards out of the system. Having other cards in there mining other stuff or even trying to help the vegas is probably a bad idea. I don't know why, but they seem to mess up the thread synchronization in cast. It's running 2 threads per VEGA, offset by a perfectly optimized amount of time to result in the best utilization of the card's resources. Anything fighting cast for resources throws a wrench into this and will result in losing 10% hash rate until you restart cast. Don't ask me why the dev can't fix it -- I've mentioned it twice and I'm sure countless others have too.

Er don't blame a 'shit bios'. Every card I've used has pulled power for the fans from the PCIE slot. No riser connected = no power for fans = crispy hardware.

That´s not even true!!!!!! The power for fans is not supply by risers. When the riser is not connected, the gpu card just do not start, so the fans do not spinning. You need to deliver the gpu start signal from the mobo via riser!!!!!!

Ok my bad, but even if they do get power they won't spin up = same end result…

i reinstalled windows from scratch as was playing up.
and still same.
i start cast_xmr and it crashes straight away with window
cast_xmr-amd has stopped working.
any idea why??

just to add one more experience with vegas if it adds on free wisdom subject

decided to build a 6 vega rig (my first one ever). knew btc from 2013, looked again at 2014-2015 and din't do anything.  i just decided to give it a try just to not regret it again for not doing something, even if i am very late  in this and I know  what i am messing with.
ordered 6 vega 64 (2  liquid from saphire and 4 gigabyte watercooled) late november-early december at amazon at 599 uk Pounds.
the last 2 gigabyte delivered mid and end december. The last 2 are to be return back to Amazon as not working ones. (problematic ones- the one crashes the system as hard as you try and the second is not recognized by windows as a gpu anymore-worked a bit in the beggining and then was lost completely-not recognized as hw anymore. tried also on second motherboard, another rig of a friend with same behaviour.)

So have spent almost a month with setup of the rig with the 4 cards (mobo Asrock btc pro r2.0, 2 *evga 1000 PSU  , win 10 pro etc). Followed steps from various sites (vega.miningguides covers most of it), installed drivers numerous times and windows from scratch 2 times to make it stable-my first ever rig, so newbie completely. had many years to deal with pc equipment). currently run a bat file to disable/enable cards, set settings by overdrivetool and run the miner of  choice.
Have a stable system now , system doesn't need reboot , runs stable for almost a week now  -will let it run to see if it crashes sometime.
(not optimum setup though, 250-255W per card , mem 1100, tp -30% and fan speed at some 2k are all the changes i have done, with overdriventool , no registry files used so far, might try changes when add a  5th nitro saphire i will get the following days)
mainly use xmrstak for etn, sumo, monero with good results. Have also tried nicehash , working  perfect on cryptonight, just can't find a reason to leave the coins to someone else.
pulling some 2010-2040 hash/sec per card  constantly. temps at 45-46 (watman readings, not using this anymore other than that) . Rarely using 2 other utilites ie GPU-z to read gpu settings like temp etc due that it affects hash power everytime i use them, so need to disable/enable the cards again.

due to the failures of the last 2 cards , i don't really want to push the remaining ones hard or to do many changes to the setup.
looking to add 2 more vega (if found anyway- i stopped asking for a replacement from amazon due to last 2 failures-not sure if i should question gigabyte reliability, or vega in general-since the last 2 cards were failures the only thing i can assume is that the cards came from returns from other customers and they were problematic from start-shame that they send them to customers)

initial target of the mining effort was  to see if a system with 6 vegas 64   can give 20 euros per day recurring revenue (on average-low set target and a ROI of some 6-8+ months).  
after less than a month ,monthly target has met . I meet the target with just 4 cards and not 6. With some lack on sumo, have some 0,1 btc (0,75 btc , along with some monero and   etn  )
For as long as it lasts, and if the whole industry doesn't collapse overnight, i am pretty sure that mining can work.
Also as a thought, i am leaning towards the high end (either vega or 1080ti) with a reasoning that even in the worst case scenario of downward trend, if there are any cards left producing even minimal revenue, these will be the top ones currently (ROI will be in red on this scenario but anyway).

Thinking seriously to build a second rig but on 1070 or 1080ti, seem to have better availability and also to diversify the mining  to other coins also.

almost two days stress. system reinstalled
still system is playing up
So managed to set everything up. Vegas 64 and 56 are ashing but.... after a while hashrate is dropping from 1.9-2.0 to 1.7ish
any idea why? in past i had to restart gpu few times and would be rock solid but now its problem
its not psu as i have tried different one.
using windows 10. maybye setting im missing?


Looks like it was something to do with power settings

Have noticed this behaviour on mine one.s  only when I tried to run gpu-z utility while mining
But have read many users have this problem for uncertain  reason

One possible workaround is the one provided on vega. Miningguides .com site
At the section with title "vega hash drop",where there is a script that can monitor hash rate and if the drop exceeds a certain level defined by you it automatically restarts everything. Not solving the root cause, but is better than nothing

i went to check power savings and dissabled all and so far is working

PLEASE HELP!!!

My windows 10 - 4 * Vega64 rig has always behaved in this manner;

On any given boot/reboot, it will detect a random number of cards (1-4) in roughly this proportion;
* 80% of the time it will detect 3 cards
* 10% of the time it will detect 2 cards
* 5% of the time it will detect 1 card
* 5% of the time it will detect 4 cards

This is incredibly frustrating and sometimes I have to remote in and reboot 15-25 times in a row just to get all 4 cards showing up! If I'm lucky, it will work first time.

Is this a known problem? are there any available solutions?

I have a 4 * Vega56 rig that never behaves like this, 100% of the time 4 cards are seen in Windows.

I don't know about others. But I always use CLONED harddisk from whichever rig that run good using macrium. With that I save some time from installing each rig from scrap. Try clone your good rig.

Great! why not make it into marketable product? I am looking forward to it.

Yep that's what I do too. I keep incremental backups too before any config changes – great to be able to roll back easily.

great post thnx for this, any little tidbit of info helps myself and the community and thats what its all about in my book or should i say ledger,
yea i know my paranoia shines on a few points here but i learnt to be cautious in avoidance of being sorry

i almost fried 3 Vegas via the same method as you but was quick enough doing the reinstallation (one by one) not to affect them adversely

weird thing is i notice no hash rate degradation with Cast, but maybe that has to do with the fact that im only running Vega64s as you suggest

im a bit compulsive with uniformity when it comes to electronics and would rather buy a new mobo and parts to run any other type of GPU either standalone or with identical peers

which brings me to my next quest, i decided to dive deeper and purchased a Vega Frontier, i will be rigging it alone on fresh mobo and parts as the commencement of an all Frontier rig. i have a funny feeling again hahah, i have convinced myself that one can run 4 threads on these, or maybe two cast miners running simultaneously on one card, it arrives in a week (from Hawaii) will let you all know of the results if i dont fry it first

thanx again for your valuable post

Whats the highest hash rates people are getting.    I did find out my 49 MH on Skunk was not 78 watts or so as reported but that was actually using 260 watts so no wonder it showing such a high hash rate.       Still confusing as the temperates were higher after reboot as well, I dont think  0.62 MH per watt is actually possible on skunk but thats why Im asking.   Watts being the card reading only, I also hash on the cpu

more info would narrow the possibilities
could be:
cast xmr dowloaded file is corrupted
a riser and or cabling is not working well
forgot to set virtual memory
using conflicting PCIE ports
your cast run.bat file has a typo
one of the GPUs used is not AMD
try running Cast as Admininstrator
check windows is not blocking it (Defender)
none of the above

i managed 2260H/s on Cryptonight with 200W but it was not stable past the hour
also stable 44.5MH/s on ETH 210W (which is looking attractive again at almost $1000ETH)

havent tried anything else as ETN has been working well for me so far (mined a little SUMO too)

i really feel for all you guys having elec cost in mind when mining,
i dont as its stupid cheap here 2640W 24/7 costs no more than $45/month for a return of around $3000/month
everything else is horribly expensive save electricity ($0.04kWh) and electronics

i did mention this in the earlier pages,
had the exact same problem and the mobo would recognise different GPUs each time, seldom all of them

im willing to bet this is because you have Electro Magnetic interference from a nearby source/device, a bad contact that is creating a spark in the wall socket or elsewhere for example (which is also a fire hazard), or a faulty screen or a strong transformer  anything that you can imagine that might be creating a strong enough EM field and is close enough to affect mobo and/or GPUs, heck it could be the smart meter on the other side of the wall, or your neighbour plays with stun guns or a cell antenna array pointing at your location i dunno but it sounds identical to my debacle

are you using a wifi adapter? that might be the cause also

try moving the rig (if possible) to another locale, change contacts/wiring/psu/ remove anything electric and electronic from the rig vicinity

electronics (especially precision ones like what we build)  are very sensitive to EM, keep this in mind when placing your rig

in my case it was an Ozone generator (which uses a spark gap) more than a meter away

good luck

The thing is, it sits alongside 4 other rigs that are 100% problem free. And I observed this problem in different rooms of the house (I build them in office then move to garage).

But I will try to swap out the PSU, etc, and test that...

Another fire hazard is dust, dont let any dust build up near to a bunch of hot cards or it will possibly provide fuel for some damage to occur.   Get out the hoover if need be.    I dont know about interference especially but some kind of cheap faraday cage around the setup might be an easy solution. 

I missed where is the electricity this cheap, you pay bulk rates I take it ?   solar or hydro power would be ideal but theres setup costs to it

I think he said Norway. I'm a bit jealous. Not just for cheap power, but they did a lot better job managing their resources there than where I live.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/19/norway-s-oil-fund-hits-1-trillion-meanwhile-in-alberta_a_23215451/
(I live in Alberta)
My Vega's are stable at about 1950 H/s each on cryptonight using cast xmr and stock bios, basically set up as per http://vega.miningguides.com/
I'm not sure what else to throw in that rig -- maybe will just hold out for when the custom vega cards actually show up to purchase in Canada.

https://hothardware.com/news/xfx-officially-unveils-custom-radeon-rx-vega-56-and-vega-64-double-edition
https://hothardware.com/news/gigabyte-custom-radeon-rx-vega-64-gaming-oc-8g-windforce-2x-cooling
https://hothardware.com/news/powercolors-cutstom-radeon-rx-vega-64-red-devil-overclocked-preorder
https://hothardware.com/news/sapphire-announces-nitro-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-vega-56  (this one I don't like -- 3 power connectors is unnecessary according to a review that checked the max current draw)
https://hothardware.com/news/asus-radeon-rx-vega-64-four-air-water-cooled-models

dust and fluff is not only fire hazard but build up of it inside the airways and circuit board of the Vega can cause bridging between curcuit components and fry the card and/or block the heat sink thus causing overheating and again diminish performance and/or fry the card

the front panel of the Vega is easy enough to remove (6 screws) providing easier air flow thus better cooling

but again the key to keeping your cards cool is AMBIENT temp and not fan speed as running 40C ambient air through the heat sink at 2000rpm has almost the same effect as 4000rpm

yeap, i live in beatiful Norway where electricity is produced via hydroelectric dams at an average retail consumer cost of USD0.04kWh and the outside temp right now (winter) is -10C here just outside Oslo.


dont feel so bad the oil money is placed in a fund that is used ONLY to support the global ponzi dollar scam and not invested in the country itself managed by a special EU body of non norwegian non elected nobody yesmen

If you want to run 6 x 64's then you are going to need a decent ssd drive as you'll need to set at least 60gb as virtual memory if you want to get them all running on a single rig without the miner constantly freezing and crashing every 20 mins to a few hours.

i noticed with Cast XMR (CRYPTONIGHT) that one of the cards in each rig heats up significantly more than the rest
found its the number 1 in the NTool dropdown select
dont know why dont ask, i just set the fan speed higher on that one up to compensate

----------------------------------------------------

AND MY FRIENDS

for all the shit i had to put up with in the beggining of this thread im BACK ON ETH hahahhahahahahah

with the same setup as stated in the beggining of this thread running the dirty dozen at 528MH/s 2610W stable

ps
getting a new toy soon :P

So I have a MSI Vega 56 air boost and a XFX Vega 64 reference model.
the 56 is rock solid at 42MH/s without breaking a sweat but man this 64 can't cool itself down. it starts off at around 41MH/s and throttles down to 37MH/s.
i've been using 1100MHz, -30 freq, 3000-3700 fan, -13 power limit on the blockchain driver. 56 is 950MHz, -30 freq, 3000-3600 fan, -15 power limit and its outperforming the 64 in every possible way.

I'm updating my drivers and trying out your wattman settings, will report back.

Why on earth anybody even produces those blower cards if they can`t handle the work  ???

Is there a way to lower voltage to less than 860mv for GPU? I can't make my Vega 64 to slow down, it will mine ETH 37MH/s minimum and 42 MH/s when tuned.

But there is no way to lower hashrate and decrease power draw. -50% power does nothing, 850MHz(minumum) on core does nothing - it will not mine slower than 37MH/s. This is the first time I see something like this on a GPU. I mean I don't mind because the power draw is low but seriously.. What if I want to go lower than 150W power draw? It will not crash, it will not lower voltage, it just goes fast and doesn't listen to me.

if these are your prerequisites for mining then the vega is not your best option, I personally go for top speed and dont care about elec cost as its negligible

that's why I just rigged a VEGA FRONTIER

running on 2050H/s easy

pics at the link
https://imgur.com/0OOhzcv
https://imgur.com/XJlsJzL

what a pain to get it started though, I will get into later but a lot of driver cooking was involved
5 Frontiers to go......

added one more

had to do some voodoodrivercooking and disable/uninstall device/restarts before they both disabled enabled

cant really explain, will have t wait a bit for a write up but both are running for a total of

2xVega Frontier  4100H/s

download and have ready jan4 adrenalin driver and unpacked aug24 blockchain and know the path to it usualy its:

ddu drivers
instal jan4 adrenalin with no card connected
switch off instal FE switch on...wait...wait...wait...
goto device manager make sure its recognised and functioning
disable enable wait as long as it takes, enabled will prob have a triangle
no matter, update driver by have disk browse the path to unpacked blockchain driver
when update complete
disable enable again -it should work *NO RESTART*- happy mining

if not working there is more, especialy for more than 1 FE
will update later,
im trying to get them mining 4 threads each

Has anyone tested the latest release to see if its improving on the blockchain drivers for overall hashing speed or even just one protocol ?

Right now I find Skunk is the easiest protocol to keep stable and with the lowest wattage, but I know most people go with cryptonight of course.

I've been hearing a lot of miners have stability problems mining cryptonight including my bro, hes switching to ETH@44.5MH/s as the profitability is nearing on the cryptonight coins and is the undisputed king of GPU mining (I detest asic mining as its been infiltrated sodomised and CONTROLLED, thus loosing the status of decentralised people power, include ripple in that)

I have no stability issues as my miners run days on end without restarts or any attention and before you ask me how read this thread as I have outlined in painful detail the steps I have taken so far

today I abandoned ETN, troubles with their wallet have gotten the better of my patience as after over a month waiting for an answer from their support team has gone unanswered which is unacceptable for a 3/4 billion usd company

they are muppets and their coin is a gimmick as phone mining at max 100h/s yields pennies whilst killing phone resources

i suggest you look into hashvault.pro as they offer pool mining  with very low payment thresholds, difficulty variance ports and an almost realtime dashboard (hover/click mouse over miner hashrate for forced update)
they offer ALL the cryptonight coins for mining including the very new ones, im using them for SUMOKOIN and are pleased with the service

to add, having realised that the vast majority of miners are very electricity usage to hash power oriented (which is not applicable to me) i am working on a thermal to elecrical feedback loop thus converting some of the lost energy (as heat) back to electricity and feeding back to the miner. This project is work in progress as i am designing a closed rig that will be functional for only blower type GPUs like the Vegas, more of that later as im waiting for delivery of the heat exchange device to test efficiency and ths feasibility

check your pci risers, i bet my balls you connected them with sata or some of them are faulty

Agree. It has to be the pci-e risers. Sata connection is ok though.

I bought some Rosewill riser from newegg.  Very stable.

well, well, haven't we come full circle
this is to all of you whom called me stupid, dumb and even criminal, i have rather enjoyed the ETH price hike from $350 when i started mining to the current $1.150 as it allowed me to completely pay off the rig costs in 50days and are now mining on pure profit
with cryptonight coin prices plummeting, ETH/ETC are just as if not more profitable
was an avid ETN miner until I got fed up with their shitty wallet and non existent service, did the sumo for while and now back to ETH as it shows more promise than any other crypto currency as I had originaly thought

got the 12 x 64Vegas on ETH 44+MH/s stable but I'm having problems with the FE's as i cant get them to hash above 42MH/s
any suggestions are very welcome

so how do you solve the problem where the cards start at 44mhs then after around 10 to 30 mins they settle in at 39 mhs for vega 56 flashed to 64 and 37.5 mhs for my two frontier cards?

im running 1100 mem and 1200 core on all card, aug block chain

i have addressed the declining hash rate in this thread and have provided full details of the setup in previous pages, details too lengthy to retype, please read the thread

as far as the FEs go I'm getting 46.3MH/s stable on each by using the Hellæ softpowerplay tables edited to unlock SoC to 1200MHz, method again detailed previously

for the FEs I'm using the table settings stated above and then using NTool to edit:

CPU P6 1248 950mV
CPU P7 1422 950mV

MEM P3 1198Mhz 950mV

Power Target -24%

having trouble with the 64s above MEM P3 1100MHz

no sata connection is very bad for powerring risers, it will work some time, but you will probably burn your cables/hardware after some time.
stop telling bullshit if you dont know shit, somebody could believe it and get damage.

powering riser = 4pin or 6pin(6pin prefered) -> max 2 risers/cable

bro informed me of a hardware fix to lower MEM Temp

the CPU and Memory chips are placed next to each other and are serviced by the same heat sink
Mem chips sit a millimeter or 2 lower than the CPU chip thus may (and apparently usually do) have no contact with the heat sink because the thermal paste is not applied correctly from manufacture

I will be opening all my GPUs in the next 2-3 months for regular servicing and application of extra thermal paste where needed (will take pics and post)

busy mining ETH before it becomes unavailable due to a possible shift to Proof of Work later on this year (second half?)

best token I ever bought is the 300 (no whitepaper, roadmap, no functionality, no bullshit scam promises, just collectible)
unwavering support even with all cryptos retreating at this time
I am steadily increasing my position until I own 1% of total supply that's 3 tokens as there are and can ever be 300 tokens issued of which Dev team is still hodling 90 of them thus 210 remain in the open market making it impossible to manipulate like shittle sorry ripple and bitcoin

quick math
7.5 billion people in the world 210 tokens available
can you say super collectable?

It's only true if you run Vega at 300Watt. With normal 150W consumption 2*8Pin is more than enough and riser power won't be used much.

As a fellow salty Norwegian, I need to ask you if you are joking or if you are sarcastic or something.... As of right now, I choose to believe it is way too cold and you are keeping warm in the sauna with some vodka and are a little drunk.

If you are sober please look for another source of investment advice that your baby brother....

bullshit again, im talking about powering risers not about powering gpus

Theres lots of rare things in the world but also the case that nobody has much use for them.    Rarer elements then gold exist yet gold is more highly valued because its unique properties matching usability.    Limited supply is just part of a price, also alot of demand would be the other side to it.    Some would even argue a greater supply allows for a possibly wider market reach and a wide initial distribution means greater growth or total market capitalisation which is why sometimes some alt coins or tokens are 'given' away, airdrop or whatever.   Alot of how economies work is counter intuitive I think.    In theory Dollar should have failed a long time ago, its liabilities far exceed the capability to repay debtors with correct value, a bit like the fuss with Greece remember.  Same for YEN, imagine Japan and USA value flooding the world as they become worthless, crypto across the spectrum would experience demand like a tsunami.

Anyhow bit OT but also I have found the latest drivers to help ETH for me at least, below 120w and >44 MH.  I know others have that or better even but this is very stable for me, easy to do.  Its possible ETH performs better then BTC for the near term which is good news when mining it.

as mentioned in the previous page this is a pic of the missing thermal paste from manufacture

credit to Gamers Nexus youtube channel for the info, details on the pic

https://imgur.com/qLB8e0R

this was not financial advice just an observation of value response to the crypto correction we are witnessing
I have been involved in the money markets for decades, and noticed this token primarily for its resilience to general market forces up or down
there is absolutely nothing valuable about it, it has no future prospects or planning, yet it seems the people involved are very passionate about holding it no matter what and it shows on the price fluctuations

do you think the promisory notes you and i are holding have any intrinsic value? or in laymans terms, do you believe the money you and i have has anything backing it besides a promise from the central bank that created it from thin air (and is lending it with interest)?

at least the 300 Dev is honest about it
price 0.085BTC

price update 6FEB2018  300 @ 0.16BTC
thats ~x2 in 4 days with all major cryptos receeding

reading through any and all material I can find on the net concerning VEGA mining sheds lesser results than the ones im currently achieving,

this is not gloating but it boggles my mind that I am the only one around getting super stable:

claymore ETH @45.2MH/s with the 64s and 46.3MH/s with the FEs

gimme a minute I will post the NTool settings to achieve this, hey this thread is FREE WISDOM afterall  ;D

btw i'm almost there getting the FE to run 4 threads on cryptonight ie 4000H/s /GPU,
before letting the cat out the bag i will be stocking up on FEs cause paying $3000 per FE is not something i want to do to myself

Ok, just post it to us :)
I assume that you are not concern about power consumption? It is above 200W?

nope still around 180w, but as you said not that I care but most do
uploading now......

https://imgur.com/azxtb3H

new setup for 64s using vaccum bags for filters on the sidewalls, front panel is removed in this pic

https://imgur.com/mjOoHYM

VEGA FRONTIER settings (GPU1 is running 1190Mz MEM thus the small hash delta will explain later)

https://imgur.com/aVdOygM

VEGA 64 x 6 RIG1

https://imgur.com/EqoBaJE

VEGA 64 x 6 RIG2

VEGA64 RIG 1 and 2 are in the box

show some reciprical lovin and hit that merit button if you think this is useful

ps oh bugger friggin typo on the above post its 44.2 for the 64s although i can get 45.2 but not stable on all cards still testing, sorry for that

edit: read on to 48.2MH/s

ok here it is
4 out of 6 stable on the asus b250 mining

45.5MH/s ETH

settings are the same only MEM set to 1140MHz

https://imgur.com/qIb7Upu

if you have the same number VEGA registry folders as you do actual GPUs then the,
trick is NOT to set GPU1 on Ntool at 1140 but leave it on 1100 as its the one that works extra I have found and heats up more, I think its the first one you instal when doing them one by one

trying the fifth and reporting back...

What about 4 threads on FEs? is it successful?

I'm getting xmr stak to register 4 threads on 1 FE, run the miner settings, connect to nanopool and detect packet and that's where it stops with the cursor flashing (ie not frozen)
maybe I'm not giving enough time or my start file is incorrect or the mem alloc  shoud be 25% lol I'm still testing as you can tell,
 I never tried using this miner before even with 1 thread per card, so maybe there is something basic I'm missing.

can you post a correct start file (AMD file too maybe) with 1 or 2 threads per card that works?
I could run a comparison this way otherwise I'm just doing this with no support (I'm used to it)
thinking in hex and not dec scale when setting values helps and no where else will you read this

short answer I'm getting there

just to update,

I get all cards running at 45.5 apart from the first on in the NTool list and its very stable, that's 5/6 for a total of

272MH/s with 6 VEGA64

settings are the same as above but MEM P3 set at 1140MHz

still pushing to see if I can get more

Cool notes on ETH, but why bother with ETH on a vega? You just like to make less money or you are just a researcher and don't care about money?

you have obviously not read the thread
ETH is the most profitable and stable mine at the mo
and yes I am researching

correct me if I'm wrong I know little about cuda cards but is anyone mining ETH with ANY 6 GPUs faster than 272MH/s STABLE (or 45.5/card)?
I'm still pushing the envelope, maybe by tomorrow I will get another Mhash out of them lol

Just use the last version of xmrstack it will automatically generate configs for vega cards:
https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak/releases/tag/v2.2.0

thnx KL0nLutiy1 that's how I got the file to play with :D


I'm up to 48.2MH/s...

testing...

 

                                                          275+MH/s

 from 6 Vega64  
                                                               ...8)...  

Have you tried mining Neoscrypt with the Vegas? I read somewhere they should be able to easily reach 1200MH/s+. Might actually be more profitable than ETH if used on a Neoscrypt switching pool like Zergpool or Ahashpool. Should be able to try Gatelessgate Sharp or NSGminer.

haven't tried neoscrypt yet, its next on the to do list though thanx for the pointers!

those here from pg1 know i have a thing about speed mining ETH (and getting 4 cryptonight threads on the FE )


                                                          275+MH/s

                                                        from 6 Vega64  
                                                               ...8)...  

You could not be more wrong about that. ETH with those hash rates enjoys a very slim 30 cent advantage over cryptonight when mem clocks are at 1100.  If I crank my mem up I will make more on cryptonight even with cryptnoight coins at half their value at the moment. I also care about power which you don't. All that work for 30 cents is not worth it for anyone not doing a science project. Stable?? What are you talking about? Maybe in Norway it sucks to mine cryptonight?? Please don't make claims like ETH is the most stable, that just sounds stupid. I suppose you also have access the best coffee in the world as well.

Thanks for showing me that ETH is not worth the effort.

the miner is stable ie no freezes no crashes no blue screens

ETH is the most profitable crypto to mine NOW (whattomine is your friend)

I was mining ETN and SUMO last year at 2000+Hs/GPU (sold all at the highs)

someone pissed in your cereal?

my question stands is anybody getting close to 275MH/s on ETH with any 6 cards?

Without a full disclosure of your p&L I call bullshit.

Ya so I know how to use those tools and no way do you even know what you talking about! I use CAST XMR and I have never had a bluescreen or seen the miner crash even 1 time. You don't speak for Vega owners and in no way are you correct in your assertions and pronouncements.

If you read this thread and you think ETH is the best use for your vega you are wasting your time.

yes right now its the most profitable or close to at these price levels, dont take my word for it look at whattomine etc im getting 642MH/s system wide vs 27800H/s on cryptonight
i never suggested what YOU should mine by merely pointing out my results and methodology, if that is so terrible for you then i suggest a calm corner and some playdough

i owe you nothing, now run along

Oh and by your math you should go buy the fastest ETH miners on the plannet
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v

Does probably double the hash rate of the Vega when you get it tuned right with the best miner and you only need 4 of them to crush your 6 card vega rig
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-titan-v-crypto-mining-performance-tested-bitsbetrippin-spoiler-monster//

And again by your math you should have that paid off in what.. a few days??

What you are is full of crap. I told you l know how to use whattomine and my figures trounce yours. You don't even know how to configure CAST XMR to run correctly.

Lol you sold at all the highs.. wow you are trading genius as well!  Congrats man. Stop lying to people.

ignore button works well  ;D

Can the BS stop so the men can get back to work?  This thread is about logging the progress of Vega development.  Page 1 says he doesn't give a rats ass about profits or efficiencies.  This is pure R&D.

I've read all 10 pages of this thread and you jump in today with multiple post stating the OP is a liar, is stupid, and you wish to see his P&L on his investment.  With such intellect and wisdom please add some useful information regarding vega mining development of driver tweaking and other optimizations.

Some of us here are reading, wish to learn and respect the hard work of others.  If you wish to pick fights about +/-% of hash, profits, or ROI please go elsewhere.  This is research in the making and is a work in progress.

I have been following the so called "wisdom" here and I have posted here before (Page 5), where if you read all the pages you would know that. No, I don't believe that he paid off his whole rig in a month. Please prove that.

I have given tons of advice to people about how to setup a vega rig using CAST XMR

You cannot tweak a driver unless you have access to the source code for that driver

Making changes to a windows reg file to adjust memory speeds and memory controller speeds is not driver tweaking, that is registry tweaking in this instance and you can do the same with other tools like Wattman to a lesser degree. If you want to play with different voltages and memory clock speeds, by all means go right ahead as it is well documented on how to do so. There are plenty of others with far superiour performance numbers with Cryptonight. You don't need this guy to tell you how to do that.

I never called him stupid, but I do think he is full of crap.

I have told you that is makes no sense to mine ETH with a vega. That is "Wisdom" for those who want to make money as what he is doing here is just for fun :) and has no real world application, unless all cryptonight based coins ceased to exist tomorrow.

The OP called "Rigged" no doubt is posting dubious information about how much he is making so I would say that no, he does seem to care about the ROI as he boasts about how he has paid off everything and is now just making pure profit, since he sold at the top of the market for everything, despite his problems with keeping is miner running with "stability" on CAST XMR. How much could you have made without all the tweaking downtime and mining downtime??

Seems like the OP has a few holes in his story making everything I posted quite relevant to this thread and its calling bull where it needs to be called not picking a fight.

This thread is a repository of the findings of all parties.  My only contribution to this thread was to simply keep it on task with research.  I enjoy learning what is happening and take offense to detours of the original intent.  Such negativity only discourages and harms progress.  We're not curing cancer here but I do see merit in such an investment to walk a different path for research.  For this I applaud the brave few, even if it is not cheap to run, hashes less, or simply never ROI's.  I do feel that some people here on the forum are smarter than some folks over at AMD and might find some interesting things out.  Other forum members in other post reverse engineer firmware from asic companies all day long and know more about the shit than the oem.  I am just waiting for these types of breakthroughs to happen here in this post.  If this forum could combine the IQ's of many some serious stuff would be solved.

I would gladly pay for something that made Vegas mine 2X more for the same power.  I am hoping that is where this thread goes, let alone potentially for free as implied in the title.

The only wisdom i've gleaned off this rigged guys posts is what NOT to do.  He likes to regurgitate things that everyone already knows and break his arm patting himself on the back.

Cute post. I don't think you understand a number of things but that is fine. I believe that AMD hardware and embedded software engineers who are tasked with developing custom boards and memory controllers would take some offence at your statements. I think they know quite well what they are dealing with when they spec a new board. I don't know what you expect to learn since no one has reversed engineered AMD graphics drivers but please go ahead and start a new thread with the challenge being to reverse engineer a GPU driver binary and see how many smart people stand up.

As I already told you, you can do whatever you want and term it research if you like but you must understand that we have all the control you could ever ask for. AMD allowed us to push the physical limits of the hardware, by allowing modification of the power and clock frequencies to be manipulated via the windows reg. You can't do that with Nvida. So please since we can already over clock and under volt, please tell me what else you hope to learn? The mining software becomes the next most important piece. If you want to know what the hardware limitations are, that is also well documented.

The only way you are going to get a 2x more out of the Vegas would be to double the memory speed (GDDR6). There is only so much software can do. You can't make a Pentium 75 into an Core i7 through software.

How do I like your post :)

Not sure if being rude is a natural thing for you but your pretty good at it.  Since you know it all please enlighten us with something other than criticism.  I will take my dumb ass to bed, I've learned enough from you tonight.  You simply are missing the point, offer nothing but criticism, and honestly seem to exist here to piss off people.  Do you ever notice how the loudest people talking in a room know the least?  Please enjoy responding to your own post, goodnight.

i dont feel the need to defend myself in the slightest

im getting max speed on Ethash and Cryptonight using parts i researched off others (always referenced) mixed with my own testing, knowledge

this thread is intended to be a public catalogue of my results and methods

been involved in forums since they were called bbs (bulletinboardservice) and know that some people are either too stupid or paid shills,
unfortunately we must put up with them like toilet background noise (poopplop)or use earmuffs by pressing the ignore button

tip of the day is:

when setting frequency values (not voltage) try so they can be divided by 6 into a whole number
example 1200 is preferable to 1199
obviously this is not always important but i have found that it helps the hardware run smoother in many instances

Thanks for sharing your findings. It is strange to see people jumping on your thread aggressively, trying to stop you... If they have really better strategy, why are they angry about you? Doubting about their real motivation...

For me, I still prefer mining some minor cryptonight coins hoping to have better gains but I am very interested by your experimentations on eth: it is always better to have more options.

By the way did you manage you goals with vega FE on cryptonight?

I hope you will continue your thread...

I suppose this is 1.2Mh/s and not 1200mh/s which would be insane.
A GTX 1080 ti can do 1.8Mh/s, which is rather good.
A GTX 1070 ti can do around 1.2-1.4 Mh/s which is very good for the price (supposing you bought the card at normal price).

trying to find the time for more trial and error

using only one FE i have succesfuly coded 4 threads which are being recognised by the miner without fail
i have tweeked the intensities for each thread in an diminishing scale
playing around with memory alocations, batch sizes etc

almost there but not i dunno hahah,
 and yes i will post the info here FOR FREE when i get the first hashrate confirm on all 4 threads

as far as the ETH max stable speed tests go

it seems imperative to have MEM clock on GPU1 in NTool set at the lowest parameter ie 1100MHz, for reasons and observations explained before

rough scale is:

1100MHz=44,2MH/s
1140MHz=45,5MH/s
1150MHz=46,2MH/s
1200MHz=48,2MH/s

rest of the settings are the same as pg9

seen here:   https://imgur.com/EqoBaJE

remember you need to unlock SoC  (C0 D4)

1422MHz on P7 GPU clock i had to contrive myself as everything else i found on the net was not stable for me, let me know if you have tried something else

This is great, if this works it will make mining accessible and profitable to almost everyone, not everyone has the willingness/financial possibility/knowledge to build a multi GPU mining rig, but almost everyone ca buy a PC with a Vega FE GPU in it and start mining.

You sir are doing great work here, please keep it up, I never considered mining until I've read this thread because I don't want to build a multiple GPU mining rig, butiIf this works I'll buy a VEGA FE PC and start.

Thank you!

thnx!

mining during gaming downtime can creep into income loss remorse  lol

one of the goals IS to get as many mining as possible by making it worth your while and effort
 envisioning DECAHASH networks for each and every top 500 coins


btw i have contacted some of the VEGA established pioneers (offering money also), you all have read their sites/threads/guides, but none have answered so far

Any news about 4 threads on FEs cards on cryptonight?

I use 2x 2016 which gets me 2000-2100 although I have had higher. (sometimes get silly high one off numbers eg 2400, 2500 - same on pool, not sure if the hashing is averaged and displayed wrong)
If I use higher than 2016 performance usually degrades
If I use 4 threads I get worse performance
gpuz shows only 8gb of ram used, not sure if it is a card issue or miner issue

I thought this was really interesting today, since if your're mining for real you might want be actually mining to make real money everyday.

Based on a 6 card Vega rig ETH Hashrate = 275 <-- extremely overclocked mem
Based on a 6 card Vega rig Cryptonight Hashrate = 12020 <-- Lightly overclocked mem


ETH estimated rewards over 24 hrs = 0.0244 x $837.9 = $20.44
BTC estimated rewards over 24 hrs = 0.00290 x $8326.0 = $23.72 (just using nicehash)

Thanks Whattomine!

Also Free Wisdom from Geek Mark who showed you can have 6 Vega FE's running now at 2100 H/s per card without much OC'ing (1100mhz mem) getting 12,390h/s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUrt7DgSiDM

Also new update from CAST XMR shows a 1% performance boost for FE cards

Cast XMR Version 0.8.5 (2018/02/07)

  - 1% performance gain for Vega Frontier Edition with Blockchain driver (fastest GPU around)
  - 1% performance improvement with current stock driver (18.1.1) for RX Vega 56/64 (40% to go to reach Blockchain driver performance)
  - fix for random blocking console output
  - GPU now always logs with its device id not the order they are listed in the -G argument
  - --log option to log console output to a file
  - remote access includes CORS support in HTTP header

Download Cast XMR 0.8.5 for Windows (64bit)

cast_xmr-vega-win64_085.zip SHA256: 800af3739896c1012605217632a7ffa962abbb0ecd11370cfbc15e4b21a09015

Imagine the profits!

agreed, although I'm currently using xmr-stak but working on my own modified version for research purposes

essentially what I do then convert ETN to ETH at exchange

pg5 post 88

begining of complete guide to ETN @2000H/s

new version of cast xmst seems to be giving a little extra too!

read the thread, we were there 15Dec2017


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ETH is still the most profitable to mine
getting 635MH/s from the 6x2 64s + 2FE

45.35Mhs/gpu
will be uploading a vid of screens with settings

Pfffft I get 45 in my sleep.. I put mem to 1200 and get 48mhs this is on 64 with EK waterblock

i have 6 1070s and one 650w and 1 900w psu can i connect both the psus to asus b250 mobo and how could you help me please???

don't use Cast. get the opensource XMR-Stak, take out dev fee and recompile

Much faster and more stable, no pool switching. results are reflected at the pool. eg 24hr average = 5.12kh/s for 2 vega fe and 1950x cpu. been running non stop for 2 weeks


https://preview.ibb.co/iiXP2c/Screen_Shot_2018_02_20_at_04_45_28.png (https://ibb.co/cSBv8H)

Not really the right thread for this, but the answer is yes, you can.  Take the 650w PSU and plug it into the motherboard and maybe power 1 or 2 1070 cards.  Take the 900w PSU and use it to power your other 4 or 5 1070 cards, but don't connect it to the motherboard!

Still mining eth? Seems like the most prof. coin atm

Funny how these cards never get in stock again... Had to settle with some rx 580’s

Vegas are in stock, they are just 200% over msrp.

It's actually almost never true. There was a problem with polaris refs that were getting more power from pcie slot that the spec allows...   it was fixed in non refs later and vegas do not have this issue at all. even at the peaks of 300+W it gets almost all it needs from12v 8pins

yep it does quite well. vega fe(the only driver that supports overdriven tool proper for me is: 2017.Q4) hashes NeoScript @2MH stable with moderate power consumption:
https://s13.postimg.org/ti0r416ev/nscrpt-fe.png

HBM Temperature at 80°C ?? Isnt that to hot for 24/7 ?


I got another question for the group. I just read this @Vegaminingguides:
Is that true? No one have a rig with 8+ Vegas? Just wondering...

nope
we got 11 running on the Asrock H110BTC Pro but it was unstable
even 8 are a pain to keep running long haul

settled for no more than 6 per mobo, works well with the 1600w PSU also

after much trial and error thought and work,
the best solution by far, considering thermal dissipation is the architecture shown in the vid below

when you situate a card air intake fan so close to the hot neighbour card you are creating a thermal feedback loop that heats the cards on average 10-20C hotter than when they have room to breath and expel the heat without affecting the neighbour cards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXUdZDNB-s

 

I said this a while back, AMD have stopped retailing the VEGA card themselves.   They make the chips and parts available to partners, Vega is going into all sorts of machines including some fancy Apple models.   Of course in PC stock we see the very expensive custom boards.

There isnt enough production to go around all the various sources using this top end gfx solution.    From what I can tell they intend to revise the Vega design to a more efficent process, possibly 12nm instead of 14nm I think.    At that point I expect AMD to rerelease the Vega just like rx480 turned into the rx580.   Theres a couple youtube channels that go over all the rumours and grade how likely it is to ever happen, some of is just made up rumours but I think its fairly solid they'll bring back more Vega production some time in 2018

Last I heard on Nvidia is they are 6 months behind expectations and wont bring an update to 1080 till very near end of 2018.  I'm not that surprised, the tech is there but only for people paying thousands and using it for AI.  The whole industry is going through a fairly epic revolution from little games chips into something declared as large as the next industrial revolution which is deep learning.    Could be Hype or could dwarf miners and the blame crypto takes for using the best parallel cpu technology.

if they decide to revert to a non HBM2 Memory its not a Vega in the use of today sense, no matter if their marketing department labels and promotes it as such
the whole point with this very particular exhausted since launch GPU IS the ability to double (maybe quadruple in the future?) thread on cryptonight and reach 48.2MH/s on ETH amongst others

im currently stocking up on Turtle Coin at a rate of around 350,000 of them a day, no other card can boast that and lets hope future hard/soft architecture will be geared or at least balanced towards mining

been thinking of starting a gofundme to headhunt a Vega driver developer from their core team (current/past)  to compile open source freeware mining drivers  for the 64/56/FE
i for one would be willing to part with some ETH for the possibility of reaching the fabaled 100MH/s and/or 4 threads with the FE

what do you all think?

if you own a Vega you need this link:

https://www.cryptunit.com/

all the cryptonight / cryptonote minable coins with their relevant info/links/downloads/pools/charts etc

I have to say that this is probably been one of the most interesting threads on bitcointalk. Thoroughly enjoyed the reading.

And @RIGID Sounds like an awesome idea. I'm just starting out in the crypto world but would be happy to make a small donation in money and time.

thanx mate, you know I use the thread myself to back track on settings and procedures

been thinking of ways to remove the scam/pyramid doubts by issuing an ERC20 of limited supply with an ICO to fund the idea.

VEGATOKEN is born...

Each contributor would buy tokens at a fixed initial price during the ico constituting his/her donation for the project which would mean each participant would hold their contribution/donation with the ability to cash it out for any reason.

thereafter the token would be traded freely on exchanges

the vega software developing team, paid in the token/BTC would work on a one off project type basis, with specific goals and time lines constituting a road map for the token itself

each advancement in HASH SPEEDS and VOLTAGE savings would mean a DRIVER UPDATE for all those invested in the Token, which each previous driver version released as freeware

a minimum ammount of held tokens would constitute participation via a snapshot of the blockchain wallet addresses at the moment of new driver release

seems better than just accepting donations for the project
what do you folks think?

I have been mining since Sept. Currently have 4 rigs and this 5th one that I'm trying to get stable. Current farm consist of 36 GPUs 24x 1060 6GB split between 3 rigs running about 550Mh/s on ETH, 8x RX 550 doing about 3.4kh/s on ETN and trying to make this 4x RX Vega 56 Rig stable, so i can have a total of around 10-11kh/s on ETN. The 1060s are super stable. 1 of the rigs has a TDR problem, but that is solved by a reboot by windows and then everything comes back up and starts mining like nothing ever happen. sometime Nanopool doesn't even register the drop on there site since it happens so fast.

I'm currently trying to get 4x MSI Vega 56 Air boost stable. Purchased EK watercooling equipment, but I'm thinking about sending it back if i can get this stable. I can't seem to get it working more then 4-8hrs at a time now. It ran for about 3-4 weeks with only one reboot in between and after that it was never stable again. I couldn't care less if the thing rebooted every 4-8hr as long as there was a way to automate the restart disable the cards, re-enable the cards start Afterburner and then start XMR-Stak. My other rigs which mine ETH just restart once in a while with a TDR error (did DDU and reinstalled drivers but still not fix dont really care about this since the restart takes care of it), but at least this rig just start up the miner starts afterburner starts and it back to business like nothing ever happen it takes a total of 1-2 mins tops. I don't even notice when it happens. I tried that Guardian software (from vega.miningguides.com), but it almost felt like the developer made it to reboot every 10 mins, so he gets his 5min of mining. i put most of the values at a ridicules rate like 2000hs and for it to wait 7 mins if the miner doesn't hash before it restart and it just kept restarting every 7 mins. I also have a RX550 x 8 using XMR-Stak and that runs for days before XMR-stak either stops responding or the whole computer just freeze and does nothing, but with that Guardian software it just kept restarting every 10-12 mins, so i stopped using it and it back to normal. I have tried using that Dev software, but it a hit or miss. Cast-XMR does the same thing, just reboots. Temps say at around 41-47c (fans are cranked up to 4k). so i know it not temp problems. Any idea what it can be. I have tried switching risers, power supplies since i have 4 other rigs and trying other drivers you lose about 2.5k hs. This is really frustrating. I mean has anyone figure out how to automate this. I cant care about monitoring. Just a way to cut power to the rig let it restart have it disable enable the cards start the OC program then start XMR-Stak or Cast or Claymore. Reason why i want to stay with XMR-Stak is because CPU miner never seems to work together with Cast-XMR together or at least it has never worked for me or i don't know how to set it up. Is there anyway you guys have figure out how to make the computer reboot and just automate the disabling enabling the cards this is the parts i don't know how to make happen. everything else is easy for me. If i was to have this ability i would just reboot the Rig every 4hr. i wouldn't mind losing 5 mins every 4hr. better then it randomly rebooting and nothing happening till you realize it or are sleeping and the machine just took a dump and you restart everything up ran for 10 mins you went to sleep and 10 mins after everything took other dump and wake up to realize you just lost like 6-8hr of mining because something went down. There is no logs or anything for you to look into either.

Here is my XMR-Stak Set up
2 thread per card (8) at 1932 intensity (i have tried going as low as 1600 on both threads per card with the same results), Also which there as a real explanation for this intensity thing.
I also Mining with my CPU  all the even numbers cores and every tried to assign the odd numbers cores to each video card with the same results. but for the most part i have it set up for core 1 to handle the GPU's which is the default value.

I use afterburner since very time i use overdrive the cards won't say running longer then 20-30 mins. AB settings
-10 Powerlimit
85 tempature
1407 Core clock
900 memory (tried 825, 850, 860, 875, 900) Left it at 900 because it almost feels like it doesn't matter)
75 Fan
Total watts at the wall is 920w

My Hardware
BioStar TB350 BTC Motherboard
Ryzen 7 1800x With Corsair H100 V2 Water Cooler (not Overclocked since the MB i have would suck anyway)
8gb Ram
120gb SSD
HX1200i 1200W Corsair Power supple
4 x MSI Vega 56 Air Boost
1 x HD5770 (monitor output)

I have used this guide http://vega.miningguides.com and i know most of you on here us a 64 and not a 56, but I'm very well aware that i can't run the card at this crazy number. I even tried the setting someone mention on here a couple post back. One thing at least with my other rigs that no one seems to mention is the Memory manufacture. does it make a difference for this HBM2 chips. just in case it does my cards all have Hynex and they are not modded. I tried some power play settings for power savings, but same things.

@RIGID

Great minds think alike :) I was thinking the very same thing. I'm excited about the possibility. Again would love to get involved in some capacity with the project.

like this? got it from here https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/74hjqn/monero_and_vega_the_definitive_guide/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/74hjqn/monero_and_vega_the_definitive_guide/)



@havetank try to run without afterburner active and look if it stays stable
and get rid of the AMD software. No need for Wattman. Install drivers by deviceManager.

I'm going to try this after it does other reboot. Funny thing is that after i wrote this it has been working non stop. Maybe it knows and got scared lol. I will prepare this once again i tried that dev tool with limited level of success, but i will give it a try again, I was thinking of just reinstalling Windows and start again. and by the way tanks for the help.  been hanging around this forums but this is my first well second time posting. Do you run vegas?

yes , here you can see my setup.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2834103.msg29059801#msg29059801 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2834103.msg29059801#msg29059801)

if you are having to restart them more than once every 5-10 days (or even longer) there are conflict issues you need to fix,

are you using Win10 as the OS?

i have noticed that the longer a rig runs not only does it run cooler after time it also uses less wattage
for me, after following my own advice in the previous pages, bad risers and more importantly too much voltage casused the instabilities

turn down the voltage to GPU and MEM in 5mV increments until you find the sweet spot which is as individual as your genetic code,
mine vary between 900 and 905mV on the 3 rigs with the FEs being more power hungry but all three are running smooth now
mining with the CPU in conjunction is something i dont do as i generaly believe its a strain on the sys with creation of mobo bottlenecks, but thats my unsubstanciated opinion

Ok so after running for like 3 days, I'm starting to think I'm personally the problem. I went to put my hand over the blower (About 5-8in away from the card) to see how hot it is and like 1 mins later it just stopped mining (frozen no screen output or anything it just stopped consuming about 230watt) Strange. After a reboot everything seems to be working fine. Can i be electrically charged or something I'm a little confused. I currently took it back to 875m/950mv from 900m950mv. I run the core at 1432c/1000mv. Also changed XMR-Stak to 1932 for one thread and 1532 for the second one on each card. I'm really curious if this GPUs are hyper static electricity sensitive. Based on something RIGER mentioned earlier in this thread. Thinking about looking for materials to help with the static electricity just in case this holds up. It funny because i have no temp problems whatsoever and it seems people problem seem to be temperature related.

I'm just going to start from square one when i move. I was even thinking of upgrading the harddrive to 240 SSD from the 120 i have now or something to make a crazy huge page file (is this wont help please shime in), going to start with stock settings and then start working my way from there. Leave it running for a week then do change, leave it running for other week and do more changes and so on. Regarding the CPU I get about 605-620h/s alone. It an Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread CPU, 4 cores get used for mining which is 8 threads 0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14 and the rest of the core/threads are left to run the system. Core 1 handles the GPUs. In Stak you can actually assign each thread of the GPUs to a Core but i leave this at default. I have a Water cooler for the CPU, Preparing for summer. I think i posted the specs for this system in my first post.

I will admit this has been the most pain in the A$$ rig i have ever build!!!!!!. Trying to get this 4 working for at least a week or 2 like the first time and see how it goes. my goal is to make it a 6x Vega 56 Rig (not a fan of mixing cards or name brands ect Like to stick with the same thing in this case MSI Vega 56 Air boost). I think i will be returning all my Vega Watercooling equipment i purchased and use that money to get more cards or use that money to start the 1050TI rig I'm planning on building.

I will be moving all my rigs to a new space ill be renting soon. I'm going to be moving All rigs into this 24u Server rack I have from when i use to host files for my clients. I made it to support 6 rigs and got some Inspiration from a guy in FL on YT Link below on how to keep them cool and dust free. Tired of having to dust them off every 2 months or so. Going to enclose the rack with Wood Panels on the side and just make cut outs for filters and add a 24" fan on top of it to have air flow.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59I1KvEpMco&t=203s)

Picture of server rack and Rigs
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yn5k8929ilzfa0p/AAB41dg2K5fZN2maftdFM9O0a?dl=0

Currently looking into getting some 8x GTX 1050ti for Zcash and also looking to get a system from this guys selling a completely running rig with
8x XFX RX580 8gb
Asus Primes Z270
Celeron G3930
250w Pico Power supply for MB and SSD
2x 1200w HP server PSU With break out boards and cables
120gb SSD
for
$4,200.00 doing about 240-246Mh/s on Eth with a 990w power consumption. after doing the math is about what you would pay for all this equipment.

I'm trading electrical cost at home for office space at a flat rate with electricity included (it about $100 more then what i would pay at home, but when summer comes and AC usege i can see the electric going crazy high and me not being able to support the AC and all this miners all at once) and the place knows what i want to use the office for. which means all my calculation would be easier now since i don't have to worry about two things ROI and electrical cost. I'm pretty close to maxing out the electricity in my house. So the more rigs i get in the office the more profit i can make in a short period of time. I plan on putting 4+ Outlets with 20 amp Breakers each in that office, which will let me run at least 2 rigs at 1100w per rig. My total farm right now Maxs out at about 3,900W (minors only). I figure adding 2 more vegas to the Vega rig will bring my usage up by 300-400w for a total of 1200-1300w for the vega rig. If i add the RX 580 rig which take about 1000w and the 8x1050ti which can't be more then 600w, plus about 1000w for all the other supporting stuff (fans/AC unit/Router/monitor/ect) would bring my total to 6,900w with a total of about 58 amps, so even just 4 outlets with 20 amp each should be enough.

Current farm is a total of 36 GPUs and Growing

3 Rigs Mining ETH at 550Mh/s
2500W = 4.55w per Mh/s
 - 1060 6 GB 24 GPUs

2 Rigs Mining ETN at 10.5kh/s
1,370w = 7.66w Per Mh/s
 - RX 550 4gb 8 GPUs
 - RX Vega 56 4 GPUs
    - Ryzen 7 1800X 1 CPU

very nice haveatank!!!

cool photos and nice setup
moving rigs to a dedicated space with proper infrastructure is any miners inevitability beyond a certain size threshold usually governed by electrical sufficiency
as I found out for myself with the current setup
been designing standard 10-20 containers purposed for this but different ventilation and power supply system from the company that already does this (forget their name), they can be placed in industrial parks, parking lots, or anywhere you can lease the spot and get suffient power supply, i included an electrical to heat to electrical feed back loop system to compliment the power intake thus increasing per H/W efficiency
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i have gotten clear indicators of electro magnetic vunrelability associated with the Vegas, seems some part of them needs better shielding like in a mobile phone but for you to be able to affect with your own bioelectromagnetism is a stretch, maybe it was bad timming, but i do share your sentiment about these GPUs behaving in a very perculiar manner ie same settings on different occasions produce different resuts, seems there is a correct mix of OS Striping/MinerSoftware/NetworkSignaling/Driver/Registry/StartupFiles/BusingIssues/PowerSupply/etcetera etcetera last of which are the settings of the GPU mining

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been talking to people about terms of contract based employment for the development of advanced Vega specific mining/compute drivers, more to follow.../

Hey guys i have 6x vega 64 RIG currently mining neoscrypt (in Ahash,Zpool) with claymore new neoscrypt miner.
I think cryptonote is not porfitably anymore. i gain 12$ for all 6 cards 17/3/2018.
do you know any nice miner or algoritm to mine with vega 64 ?
i tried with 12k hashrate on cryptonight but its giving 10$ for now.

Have a look at this website -whattomine.com

Just untick the preloaded boxes and then select your rig setup.

all miners whether large or small are feeling the pain at present
mining returns are down across the board and todays coin earner is tomorrows value looser
I see it as an opportunity to mine more coins on less congested pools

dont worry, this is normal market fluctuations amplified by the inexperience and young age of this brave new way
prices should pick up by summers end where the wisely patient get rewarded

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Bro-Tip of the day:

Make your miner stats more readable by right click top left border of miner window (a command prompt icon sits there) click Fonts Tab, select the font size of your choosing


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as promised the VEGA Token had its birth day today as did its corresponding internet presence
all details shall be announced before the launch date via an official Announcement thread in this forum in a passive way, we are looking to grow organically and stable

The VEGA Token (VGA) is OUR way of making shit happen
not waiting around for official sources to get their thumbs out of their asses

First goal to achieve stable VEGA 56-64-FE, over 50MH/s ETH, 2250H/s Cryptonight speeds with a better Hash to Watt ratio by Q3 2018  

for a sneak pre ITO glance, only readers of this thread see the official site under construction here:

https://vegatoken.org/

if you want to be notified of pre ITO discounts or feel like making suggestions, make sure to subscribe
i honestly believe WE as a unified small to medium Vega Miners community, can look after our own mining interests whilst providing benefits to the whole Crypto Network

much more to follow at the official announcement
stay tuned.....

Yeah that's gunna be a hard no.

Tip of the day:

If you are mining with Vega Frontier Edition and are following the "Geek Mark" disable/enable method
you already know that restarting the pc means ddu and reinstall in order to run 2000h/s cryptonight

i found a short cut,
if you must restart, or machine restarts automatically
instead of duu...etc, in device manager uninstal all gpus, but not the drivers and restart as is
it will take a long time so be patient for the sys to detect and install them all automaticaly, you should see a tach light on the gpus come on one by one accompanied by a short blast from the fan
(if a gpu is showing all tach lights on, you have atikmpag/riser/etc issues, try restarting a few times until all show 1 led tach light on -red or blue not green)

in device manager all gpus should be present and functioning, double click on the first, driver tab, the driver should be Adrenalin not Blockchain
disable all GPUs but one, on that one update driver, have disk.......etc, to blockchain driver, all gpus will get updated and enable by themselves
in registry disable crossfire etc, reg edit pp table,
disable/enable  gpus again
you're good to go

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Vegatoken (VGA) is currently undergoing Etherscan.io registration (2 or more weeks) after which it will be registered at Coinmarketcap and all relevant exchanges for the Initial Token Offer (ITO) date
so the future VGA community proprietor will be able to invest or divest VGA via use of the Metamask Wallet (Chrome extension) in conjunction with MyEtherWallet, or store VGA on a ledger /  trezor etc

will publish all the details in due time when registrations and verifications are complete with the ITO date set
the dev team is against pre sales, discounts, airdrops etc but there will be a little extra for you reading this line right now
by going to the official site https://vegatoken.org/ and sending us a message with the promo code POOPDATROL , any investment made at the ITO with a registered promocode email will receive 10% bonus VGA Tokens on your participation and a pre release copy of the first VGA community Software (its already in the works, will be announced to coincide with ITO and yes the dev team is paying for its development along with all other expenses) which will cut your RX Vega installation time by 2/3 and automate your miner restart after crash.
This offer shall become null and void at the moment of official ITO Announcement on Bitcointalk so thank you for your support so far in this thread and our adventure in the very near future.......

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still no retail 64, 56, FE,
shop here in Oslo, has pushed forward delivery dates from last year Dec to 17April,
6 of them are mine but have they left the factory yet?
i dont buy the hbm2 memory shortage as the stand lone reason for this gaint marketing/supply fumble, in the corporate world its a capital sin not being able to supply demand after launch,
or some entity/s is/are buying them all at insane prices from manufacture
(hey 'they' can, 'they' do print the money you know  ;)  )

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friggin atikmpag (dag) conflict.......Visual Studio blah blah blah....... YOU ARE NEXT !!!!!

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2nd Tip of the Day

Mine Turtle Coin and sell on Tradeogre, at 1 Satoshi you earn average $30/day@28KHs if you need the $$$ now and its great to keep as it cant get any cheaper
i use:
https://trtl.mine2gether.com/

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3rd Tip of the day

Buy a wifi  controlled on/off electrical socket adapter (there must be wifi near your rig), you can find them ebay etc...
make sure the W rating is well over your rig demand
connect your rig to it and set rig bios power management options to enable on power up
now you can remotely restart your miner via the android/ios app if it freezes and you cant get to it to press the reset button
you know, for that annoying moment when the rig goes off line and teamviewer doesnt want to connect so you can restart remotely
(and with the aforementioned software development, all this will become seemless even if ddu and reinstal must occur remotely)

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small community
BIG idea...
stay tuned

i will stay tuned  ;)

Just so I can understand may I ask how you came to know about this please? Was it from a website or your from own research into the profobilility of the coin?



 

He just regurgitates stuff from other sites/posts.  You can find whats best to mine for cryptonight here.  Try "live profit"  https://www.cryptunit.com/  The problem usually lies when you go to mine with everyone else the difficulty skyrockets and you don't earn what the calculator claimed you would.

Hey thanks. Didn't know there was a cryptonight only profit calculator. Do you happen to have any experience with the accuracy of these estimates?
I was about to sell off my VEGAs (is that a good idea?) but after seeing this i guess i could still squeeze some profit from them.

This calc is pretty accurate unless there is a big spike in one of the coins prices, then like I previously said everyone jumps on to mine it and the difficulty rises so everyone makes a lot less.

So in your experience is better to mine a coin thats more stable?

i came about the information via my own research

in continuation,  proceeded to mine the coin and verify the calculator claims which were accurate enough for me to make a suggestion here

I do not repeat others without clearly indicating so with sources stated and credit given where its due (eg I sent ETH to Geek Mark for giving US 2000H/s on the frontiers)

unfortunately this thread has gainned a resisent troll with nothing constructive to add but rather critisise  spreading rumours and lies

if you've been on forums long enough you know that trolled threads have something to offer that's been obscured by some bozo


dont like to quote myself,
from previous page


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development of new Vega Rig software is underway,
will be running preliminary tests mid next month attempting release in conjunction with the VEGA Token ITO
a beta pre release will occur for those few that showed interest (so far) before launch

my miners are steady, allowing time for development and evolution

busy bee... no time for petty bullshit

.

think we'll let bitmain and biakal show us theirs before we show them OURS     ;)

https://vegatoken.org/ is currently scripting software for mass adoption, that will detect hardware and automate miner starts and restarts at set presets of choice (speed/power draw), for EThash and Cryptonight
 
the Software Package will be released at the end of the ITO period
Official Announce in 2 weeks approx

 would be glad to hear suggestions for inclusion within the architecture


all info concerning the VGA project on this thread should be considered a heads up for the enthusiast,
my thank you to all here came in the form of a promocode on the previous page

Whats definetely needed imo is

1.)
A log file, where you can see min/max. temperature of Core and Memory of every card. The interested miner wants to check the specs of his rig at any time and if it chrashes he wants to see what happened, when and with which card.

2.)
Easy use of software to reach as many Vegaminers as possible. As long as the software is not stable or to complicated to install/use people wont take the risk to try something new and lose mining time while trying.

3.)
Different presets. It should be possible to start different presets within an Algo. Something like eco(low power consumption) standard(best hash/watt) or turbo(max hash).

4.)
Different presets in your mining strategy. Something like
Safe Mode(despite Difficulty and Global hashrate the rig farms only "safecoins" or the "bigplayers") Like only switching between etherium monero and electronium f.e.
Performance mode(searching the lowest difficulty so u get max coin for your hash on whatever currency is the easiest to mine).

5.)
For every preset there should be the possibility to specify his own coin set.


For an example.
User wants standard peformance mode for Monero, SUMO and Etherium on his rig.
=> Oc settings for best hash/watt and searching lowest difficulty to get max coin of whatever coins are specified by user/system.

Hope this can help
Greetz

thnx!

seems we cant be off the mark as what most would like to see in the software

we are focusing, in order, on stability, ease, speed and power consumption
VGA QuickMinerStart V01.0.0 has already within the architecture:

1.)
HBM2 Temperature gauge with throttling cut offs,
i will talk to the software coding team about a log file (perhaps as part of an update package)
2.)
Easy User Interface, to control 2 presets (ECO and TURBO) for Ethash 41.5-44.3MH/s and Cryptonight 1840-2010H/s and ability to manualy toggle the usual states from Wattman/Ntool (lower states are controlled by fixed/volatile reg tables)

The software will be tested first by the VegaToken Dev Team to make sure its up to par and cross checked for any unwanted coding before released as beta to those whom have already shown their COST FREE interest at https://vegatoken.org/, thank you, to you many that have already.
At the close of the Initial Token Offer those whom opted to participate in the VGA community shall receive their copy and subsequent updates/drivers.

3.)
Presets come from R&D and we are fully loaded and underfunded at the moment meaning more presets will come with future updates, we are keeping it simple and easy to start with.

4.)
There are plans to include a smart-switch between coins, the question being rigs with lesser power must look at the difficulty curve over a longer period than faster rigs, its simply a lot of extra detection and action coding that would send the cost of this initial Dev Team funded project over the limits in terms of time and money and that's the truth.

5.)
As explained in point 2.) there will be 2 presets for the two algos Ethash and Cryptonight


Thank you for the suggestions but as you can see vega minds think alike, the rest of your suggestions and any more can be implemented either after beta release or after ITO as an update.
There are more features we have laid in the framework for example a auto restart on crash and timed restart for those that wish it.

Trying to keep it as light, fast, stable and easy as possible, ultimately after finding your prefered settings at initial setup there should be only one button to start mining from PC startup.

Its framed on WIN10-64 for now.

We have also begun design of the first 54MH/s-2300H/s VGA Blockchain Drivers, which should be available Q4 2018 but thats not a promise yet (hoping sooner, will see after ITO)

We are plannig to start 4 thread cryptonight mining on the FE with special a HBM2 contoller and kernel setup, all this after the ITO

Getting ready for Official ANN thread......

Fully agree with you. I also bet for a vega 56 rig. All details here:
http://criptobakery.com/?page_id=101

Wish you all the best.

thnx,
 I personally cant wait to have the beta quick miner start for testing but its still under development

hoping this effort will benefit all Vega owners now and in the future

DieTapeoutsAreNotMicroArchs 2 weeks ago.

You must mean the Vega 10 base die tapeout that is a rather shader heavy design that has to do dual duty as the base die design used for AMD's Radeon Pro WX 9100s and Radeon Instinct MI25s compute/AI SKUs and the same Vega 10 base die design/tapeout that is used for the Vega 56/64(64 ROPs max) SKUs. Vega 10 has a great reputation with compute/mining usage and the Vega 10 base die was only designed to compete with the GP104 base die based GTX 1080(64 ROPs max) and not the GP102(96 total ROPs available) base die based GTX 1080Ti with the Ti's 88 ROPs able to really beat both the Vega 64 and the GTX1080 in that pixel fill rate metric that sees the GTX1080Ti able to push out the highest FPS metrics.

The Vega GPU micro-arch is very efficient on that nCU basis and just look at Raven Ridge and Vega is used there for low power mobile as well as desktop Raven Ridge. The Vega 10 base die based Vega 64 competes nicely with the GTX 1080 as it was designed to do and it is only because of those excess shader cores on the Vega 10 base die based Vega 56/64 SKUs have that is the only reason that those SKUs use more power and are so popular with the miners for that very reason of having an excess of shader cores(load of hashes).

Nvidia can afford to spend millions on 5 differet base die tapouts(GP100, GP102, GP104. GP106. and GP108) while AMD at the time only could afford that one Vega 10 base die tapout that had to be used across its professional(WX 9100, MI25) compute/AI SKUs and its consumer gaming(Vega 56/64) top end SKUs. Anything Vega 10 base die based is not really tuned for gaming only not with all those excess shader cores provided by the Vega 10 tapeout.

Wait for A gaming focused discrete Vega base die tapeout before you can fully judge the Vega GPU micro-arch's real efficiency. I'd like to even See the Vega Discrete Mobile variant's TMU to shader ratios and ROP to shader ratios looked at and compared to any Pascal variant's TMU to shader rations and ROP to shader ratios. Ditto for that Intel/Vega semi-custom Vega discrete die tapeout the is used on the EMIB/MCM.

The Vega 56 SKUs has the same number of TMUs(224), and shader cores(3584) as the GTX 1080Ti but lacks the ROPs, the Vega 56 has 64 ROPs(same number as the Vega 64, at 64 ROPs) while GTX 1080Ti has 88 ROPs, and ROPs are where the pixel fill rate equates directy to FPS. Maybe if AMD tapes out a new Vega Base die that offers more ROPs similar to GP102(96 total ROPs available) then AMD can compete wtith the GTX 1080Ti(88 ROPs) . GP102 is more a Nvidia Pro GPU base die tapeout anyways as GP104 was the actually the gaming only focused tapeout that the GTX1080/70 are based on. Vega 10 is a computing oriented design with its 4096 shader cores and it's no wonder the miners want the Vega 64 that uses 4096 shaders and that's a load of extra compute.

credit to Gamers Nexus
https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3262-asrock-officially-making-video-cards-for-amd-gpus

VEGA Token (VGA) update

Quick Miner Start V01.0.0 is in the embroynic stage as the software developers VGA has employed for the job are a few days into coding.
We expect a beta version to be tested by the VGA Dev Team within 30-40days.

Announcement will be formely posted here on BITCOINTALK within the next 3-14days.

To remind you, a holding of 0.00000050VGA (50VGA satoshi) or more qualifies you as a member of the VGA Development Community and you will receive all VGA Software/Driver etc releases at no extra charge.
Cost of 50VGA satoshi = 0.1ETH, price for this offer and later at ITO.
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VGA is now available on the decentralised trading platform EtherDelta at this address:

https://etherdelta.com/#0x26b2b4952a10b1782827d339a02aecb008edb817-ETH   


You will need a Metamask Wallet to purchase, receive and hold VGA.
Download the Metamask Wallet as an extension  to Chrome Explorer:
In Chrome top right click the three dots, popup hover 'more tools' and 'extensions'
in the search field type 'Metamask' click to addon.
Once you create it, logon and click on 'Tokens' tab and then 'Add Token', at the popup fill in the following:

VEGA Token contract address: 0x26b2b4952A10b1782827D339a02aEcb008Edb817
Token Symbol: VGA
Decimals: 8

VGA should now show under the Tokens tab in Metamask.
Send some ETH to your Metamask wallet.

Open the EtherDelta link provided above, in Chrome with your Metamask wallet logged on.
The wallet should automaticaly sync with EtherDelta showing your ETH balance top right.

Deposit the ammount of ETH you want to EtherDelta, Top left under 'BALANCES' fill in the ETH ammount and click deposit. It should show almost instantly.

YOU ARE READY TO JOIN THE COMMUNITY

commit by:

on EtherDelta
click on 200000.00000  under ORDER BOOK and at the pop-up fill in the ammount of VEGA you would like to participate with minimum 0.00000051 as the 1VGAsatoshi is the blockchain charge (the ETH ammount will autofill before you commit, check that its correct.) and click BUY.
WELCOME!!! YOU ARE NOW ELLIGIBLE FOR ALL VGA RELEASES

After purchasing, send us a message from https://vegatoken.org/ or at admin@vegatoken.org  with the Transaction hash (Tx) and your Metamask public wallet address  so we can promptly send you an additional 10 VGA satoshi (0.00000010VGA)

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If you want to purchase VGA directly from us, bypassing the safetynet that EtherDelta offers at a price, you can send ETH at the below address and an accompanying message to admin@vegatoken.org with the Tx and your Metamask public address to receive the equivalent VGA to your ETH deposit at the above stated price plus the 10VGA satoshi bonus.

VEGA Community Pool Wallet:
0x7377948A1Efa6f357C78F0Ad3F6433c3C48AF787

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The above offer will expire at the moment of official Announcement with no other forms of bonus/discounts/airdrops/etc for ITO participants.

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Tip: You can use https://www.myetherwallet.com for easier access your Metamask Wallet or any other Ethereum wallet in their list.

VEGA Token will never ask you for private keys, seeds or any other private wallet information, and if you ever receive such a request, discard and please report it to us.

For now and until official ANN, post any questions here on this thread.

Ofcourse after purchasing VGA you can sell them on EtherDelta for now as VGA will be listed on Centralised Exchanges after ITO.

much more to follow...

I'm am very eager to become a member/holder/user(whatever the correct term is....  I went through hell getting my Vegas all running stable and at each ones top speed. I am still lacking the monitoring capabilities and event logging that I hope to gain with the vga software!  Big thanks to the folks putting this together!

Also, I have a question. I see that support for Ethash and cryptonight algorithms are planned. Is there any chance that the team may look into supporting the cuckoo cycle algo in the future? It looks to be very promising and many coins that chose cryptonight for its egalitarian properties may move towards it if it proves to deliver on the promise of being far more of an egalitarian algo. Also it would be great to be early to the game for something for once. Seems like nvidia miners always get the first shot at very new coin mining... At least that has been my experience.

Anyways, again, thanks for launching this project!

Thanx for the vote of confidence,

We chose these 2 algos due to their popularity amongst Vega miners, as we have the upper hand especialy when it comes to Cryptonight. Support for other algos will come after a popular vote amongst the "member/holder/user(whatever the correct term is...." (sorry for the confusion but in todays age you can chose what you are hahah) which will be the modus operandi of the VGA community development projects in general, why develop something that most do not need or want.

We have plans to create a new coin in conjunction with new Drivers (next project after ITO) that will be heavily biased on the Vega architecture, meaning that our GPUs will mine it far more efficiently than anything else.
We are also pleased to see that the Dev. Team at SumoKoin have taken very positive steps in protecting GPU miners from the centralised abominations (asic), and are planning open dialogue with them in the near future for a possible Vega specific synergy.

We have a firm belief (based on facts like the VEGA chip architecture description post above) that the VEGA 64, 56 and FE have immense compute capabilities that have been intentionaly jarred for a slow rollout of performance enhancing drivers by the official sources to prolong the product lifecycle. We are seeking your support in unjarring them fully for obvious reasons.

There is a whole string of changes and settings a VEGA mining rig needs to be stable that have been outlined in this thread and more detailed by others like ofcourse here http://vega.miningguides.com/
To be clear if you cut corners in the initial setup the miner instability will not be magicaly fixed by the VGA Quick Miner Start but it will be less annoying as restarting the miner will be made automatic (aside from pc freeze)

This intial software package, curently under creation, will be updated regularly with additional functions over time, as will most of the VGA releases
and not as AMD claims in their pathetic attempt at blockchain drivers:
"This driver is provided as a beta level support driver which should be considered "as is" and will not be supported with further updates, upgrades or bug fixes."
https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-Crimson-ReLive-Edition-Beta-for-Blockchain-Compute-Release-Notes.aspx

the nerve of these idiots pissing all over their core customers, being miners not gamers (i just bought another 6 64s, how many do gamers buy?)

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VGA Progress Update:

Seems our Software Engineers are confident they can complete the project ahead of schedule (but not under budget hahah) so the ITO date seems to come closer but its early days yet as we dont know what challenges lay ahead.

What i am trying to hint at is that at an unannounced moment the offer made in the above post will become invalid, so if you wish to participate with the 20% bonus, NOW is the time.
Just follow the step by step instructions in the same post.

We tried to make it as easy as possible and at a current minimum participation level of 40USD approx or 0.1ETH it should be affordable for all miners big, medium and small.
Take advantage today, VEGA Token will not be so cheap in the near future i believe  ;)

I agree about what you said with the careful setup. I also leaned on  http://vega.miningguides.com/  , as well as Geek Marks videos and others out there. I really like hearing you say that it is believed that there is much more potential to unlock in these things! I just took the leap on mine knowing for two reasons, cryptonight & I figured since they were 14nm that they would hopefully have a decent lifespan where the mining abilities stay well enough ahead of power consumption.

Also agree that the sumo team is doing great work, I read one of the devs write up on cn v7 vs heavy and why they felt v7 was going to be to easy to create another asic for. Hopefully that still works in our favor and bitmai gets lured into wasting more resources building a bunch of paper weights a second time and don't get any time to use them in secret since everyone will be extra aware of any major jumps in difficulty after better knowing how those manufacturers do things.

yea, I sent Geek Mark an ETH donation a while back for his method of disable/enable for the FE, the guy figured it out by himself spending many hours of his time for us all, that's something which is rare in todays world thus I felt compelled to reward him for it

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To All:

As far as the VGA team is concerned, we also devote our time for the benefit of all but the cost of developing software we cannot bear alone unless we start selling the developed software at a 4 digit $ price, something that would benefit only large miners and that is something against our philosophy.
Surely this is not what you all want, as we prefer your support to see this through otherwise we will just do this for ourselves (its already paid for) and post images.

I comprehend that so far all you see is the initial setup ie. Token creation, Website, Etherscan registration, Logo design, Mail server, etc which we have paid for already, but rest assured with no notice the ITO will be commenced and i can promise you will not gain the 20% bonus offered now or the special status of getting the QMS (Quick Miner Start) at least a month ahead of everybody else.

We really cannot make it any easier or cheaper at this point (with thoughts of increasing the participation price at ITO due to cost).

This will be the last update for the current project on this thread until official ITO ANN, time is running out faster than we anticipated, fair warning issued.

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Stability issues resolved
285 Hrs continous operation with Claymore mining ETH

https://imgur.com/MJDRM9I

DONE!  Holding a bag of VGA  ;D

 I am proud to say that I am now officially on board!   I am looking forward to being a part of this group and helping however I can too!

just signed  but i wonder if i can "see" the VGA somewhere like a "Balance"  ???

Thank you for the vote of confidence and welcome aboard on our common journey.
By participating at this early stage you have gained the special status of being part in pre ITO use of the VGA QMS software currently under development with 10VGA satoshi bonus already sent to your wallet.

Looking forward to our journey together.

we sent you an email with the link to where we see it on etherscan including the sent 10VGAsatoshi bonus, please check and verify

thanks again

Token   Wallet   EtherDelta
VEGA   0.000   0.000

I think you are reffering to when you see your balances like this on Ether Delta. Hover your mouse over the zeros and ether delta will show a pop up that displays many more decimal places. I got tricked for minute by that also because of the fractals with the VGA. If you say only bought about 1 ETH you will have ~ 0.00000500ish VGA and that won't show on EtherDelta because it only displays 3 decimals places (0.000) unless you hover your mouse over that 0.000.

Hope this helps,

Noah

See this Image... I painted over my balance but you'll get the idea
https://ibb.co/dF0fEx

ofcourse you are correct, I was also fooled by this but if you hover over it shows you your balance.

in addition if your Metamask wallet is synched with EtherDelta, the EtherDelta Balances box (top left) shows your balance of VGA and ETH on both your Metamask wallet and on your EtherDelta wallet as 4 separate entries (2 for VGA and 2 for ETH), by using Withdraw/Deposit tabs on EtherDelta you can send and receive ETH and VGA to and from your metamask wallet

stronlgy suggest you keep your crypto in your own wallet and dont leave it (at least all of it) in an exchange as a general rule, best wallet being a hardware wallet like Ledger, Trezor etc

i have seen many comments on EtherDelta forums calling out this short decimal confusion including almost all "how to use EtherDelta" vids on youtube, they will show the standard 8 decimals in the future i hope to avoid the confusion.

since im a noob in this things and still learning it took me a while to figure it out. Your email helped  ;)

all fine now and good to go, let those hashes come  ;D

I second what RIGED said. I can't recomend the Ledger enough. It integrates very well with EtherDelta and ForkDelta. Also MEW site makes handling ERC tokens on a ledger very easy.

thinking of creating software to switch off:

Win Updates
Graphics Drivers Updates
Switch off Cortana
Lock Pages In Memory
etc

the above are part culprits, with Win Update being the most toxic, for Rig instability and unexplained sudden system failure where formating and OS reinstallation are necessary

these are usualy accesed through the cmd gpedit.msc (Group Policy) where i and everybody else edits them manually with a path guide as a map to their location
i understand that this seems like a daunting task to some or even others that dont remember or dont know about all the edits needed to be made

coming up with faster more efficient VEGA drivers would be useless on an unstable rig so laying a stability foundation is paramount imo,

what do you all think?

would this small peice of software help you or is it not so necessary?

Added a Road Map of present and future goals so as to clarify scheduling of developments

direct access to page here:
https://vegatoken.org/tell-me-more

Because of the intentional non advertisement of the VGA Project visitors to the site are limited to (I assume) readers of this thread
Take advantage NOW,
I cant see any VEGA owner being able to resist VGA membership at ITO and QMS release (well maybe the trolls here out of spite) after which the supply demand rule will determine Token Price
pg13 post256 for instructions

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FYI i sent a damning message to AMD yesterday condeming them for their lack of interest in their core customer base (being miners) by refusing to devote resources for servicing our needs, i seriously doubt there will be a response but hey maybe you never know

gamers buy 1 GPU
miners buy multiple GPUs
are they that friggin stupid or are our suspisions correct in their product lifecycle game play?

The AMD RX Vega 64-LC (Liquid Cooled) averaged 25.5% higher than the peak scores attained by the group leaders. This is an excellent result which ranks the AMD RX Vega 64-LC (Liquid Cooled) near the top  ;)

hey, make a real product or what else u can call "a software, a driver, a tool" and comeback here showing what you doing.
If u don;t have anything and force anyone to buy sh*t coin, u just a scammer.

fair enough, all you have is my word that we are currently producing the QMS and that this offer is very short on time (about 15000 blocks short)
i will see you  in a month

ps. bring more than 0.1ETH, a smile and some salt to eat your words

can someone please explain this to me   ???

keep in mind this is calculated rate ie actual number of shares found


https://imgur.com/XUre0oy

I have been suspecting nanopool fudges the averages for a while, why else do they have such a huge timedelay in reporting stats unlike any other pool I have come across

spare me the comments "if you dont like it dont use it" thank you, im looking for your perspective and not idiocy

6xVega 64, 6xrisers, 1 mobo, 4 fans, 1 ssd doing ETH44Mh/s, XMR2000h/s under 1000W is a dream?

looks like an ECO setting to me ;D

after much debate... I'm posting a pic of my rig being tickled by the Software Engineer employed

you can have a first glance of VGA QMS v01.0.0 as an embryo,
kinda like an ultrasound picture of your yet unborn child  from the gynecologist attending to your wife :D

https://imgur.com/s773KU6

New, Vega 12 architecture tells

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3udhUdo4z3Q

cooling retrofit for RX Vega, Morpeus II
and how to open your VEGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THaMlkNDzYs

growing.....

https://imgur.com/wU4ZolZ

Careful with that Morpheus II retrofit.  The video you linked to is one out of two that should be watched if you are going to try this (I've done 8 Vega Morpheus II retrofits).

There are a lot of slightly different sized screws to remove.  The card becomes very lopsided/weight heavy because you have a massive heat sink on one side + 2 120mm fans clipped to the heatsink, and the bare circuitboard on the other side.

The final mounting to GPU is tricky as the tiny screws can become loose.  I used LocTite to stop this.

And your cards will be almost completely exposed.  The upside is that you can apply good thermal paste; I found Vegas' thermal paste to be all over the board; too thick, too thin, very dried out, etc.

And 120mm fans are much quieter than the single blower reference fan running at 3,000+ rpms.

Helps also with HBM memory temps while not being very loud at all.

summer is coming and the free airconditioning or rather deep freeze will be over, been thinking of alternatives in keeping the cards in ambient cool
isnt the exposed board prone to dust and particle collection? this can in extreme cases bridge components

thnx for the pointers, im always a bit skeptical to one size fits all and would rather see a Vega specific heat sink retrofit,

do you know of any?
im a bit dense when it comes to available materials and spend a lot of time searching

added clock readings, first logo identifiers, synched sensors
the two buttons Patch and Default are to be renamed NOS and ECO and are the two standard preset buttons
VGA Activity tracker will be VGA QMS v01.0.0

hbm2 temp, timed restart and rewrite of the power play tables etc tomorrow


https://imgur.com/hextYCj



any suggestions while we are building?

Ty, for your free wisdom. Keep doing what you are doing. :D

I do not know of any Vega-specific, air-only heatsink retrofit.  The Morpheus II works pretty well, but it isn't quite the walk in the park that the YouTube video makes it out to be.

The board is exposed.  What you can do is spray the board (front and back) with liquid silicone and then let the board dry for at least a week.  The plug the board + Morpheus II into your rig.  The silicone provides protection against water/shorting.  Do not spray the board with silicone and then try to connect it up that same day or a day later; you will probably short out something on the board.

The Morpheus II when installed right is very quiet (120mm fans versus reference blower fan), and does run cooler at relatively low noise levels.

I think I posted on YouTube what the one video left out in terms of how to go about removing the various sets of screws.

thnx R0mi

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4936 blocks to go....

creating new powerplay tables for the presets ECO and NOS

https://imgur.com/uKY4BlO

aiming at: ECO 44Mh-1940h@136W and NOS 46.5Mh-2080h@190W  ish

testing tomorrow

RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ASIC GET OUT

VEGAS BACK ON XMR
SUMO heavy DIFF LOWER THAN MARIANAS TRENCH

https://vegatoken.org/qms-v01-0-0-specs

I live where the summers are hot but dry so I am looking into applying some sort of method of just moving a lot of air over my stuff. Taking some ideas from these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeCKGPdTKTc

This dude has his riggs outdoors in full blown Florida summer heat.  :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qbLkivgxps

VEGA Token (VGA) special pre ITO offer now closed

VGA available again for purchase at ITO

QMS v01.0.0 expected delivery to pre ITO contributors in approx 3 weeks, which means these members will have increased returns from mining for about 60 days before anybody else (that's their $35 back many fold in that time frame)

i tried to warn,
sorry for the folks that chose to sit idly by and not partake with $35

link to the site with the listed features, so far, of the VGA QMS software under development

https://vegatoken.org/qms-v01-0-0-specs

this software was designed from VEGA FREE WISDOM and reflects our common needs whilst satisfying our common desires
i will post a video of QMS running on  a Vega rig to demonstrate its features after testing is complete

see you at ITO
(got a 6 gpu Asus Vega64 Strix rig to build  ;D )

From the start this thread was as weird it could get, filled with different crazy comments from the OP.

I still remmember the ones where he claimed where he didnt care bout profit (by mining ETH...) and just ignored everyone giving him tips. Eventually he just followed what everyone was telling him (Vega -> cryptonight) but he always made it sound like he discovered the wheel.

So wisdom was something you couldnt really find here, at least from him and i never really understood his end game.

Now with this crap token its pretty obvious what his goal was, get money off people.

So tldr: you cant expect any wisdom or anything free here.

Very interesting, but I don't have a Vega 64 and won't purchase one, soon, they are still overpriced (Vega 56 +/- 800€).

Fan cooler ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6hvsqUEtZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iegpwo9SqSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yQHAMz1v5g
Ball bearings: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267631.0

Optimized miner:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3264773.msg34028507#msg34028507(Im not sure if this will be updated)

oh well done, you figured it all out Hercule
maybe you could do the one on Nile next?

its people like you who discourage people like me from doing the legwork for all
assuming youre not poodatroll re-newbiefied

i have paid for the QMS software to be developed i am not a programmer, and it cost much more than what you will end up paying for and this does not include future projects that you will also not pay for and you think this is about money? 0fee mining pools and 0fee miners are about money too numbnuts?

IM NOT MINING JUST FOR PROFITS

IM TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD

so if you are too stupid and/or psychologicaly/financialy complexed to comprehend that, stand out of the way and watch
(or go back to your amd sponsored cubicle)

and while we are on the subject of wisdom

testing Sumo heavy

heres what i did today and no i did not copy it from anyone but sat and played with the intensity until it was max without buffer error
stak xmr amd.txt single thread file

keep in mind this is for 6 GPU setup


here is the double thread amd.txt file but its not so stable, you must tweak the primary and secondary intensities from 1000 and 800 to lower values that work for you


hope that helps, i used the 0fee recompiled version found here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3264773.0

preliminary results  ECO mode:

6x64s 1 asus mining mobo, 4 fans, 1 ssd, 1 screen

mining Sumo heavy 835W@5200H approx

thats around 6.23H/W

used the above single thread amd.txt edit to achieve with standard cryptonight settings core 1212, 1408, and 1100Mem

try it out for yourselves and let me know

ps its nice to see print of temp, cpu load, cpu frq, mem frg, fan % (for now) while running xmr stak (or any miner),


https://imgur.com/6svEjln

thnx Sg

I'm going to be building a fortified, insulated, fanned shed to house the rigs (including 6 ASUS STRIX64's arrived this morning  ;D https://imgur.com/Akho3Cr )
had the idea of burying a long length of ventilation pipe in the ground and venting it out from a grill on the floor past the gpus and out through fans in the ceiling
obviously gpus have to be upright with blower facing up, like my current set up

i believe that the cooler soil about 1.5-2m down will cool the outside air intake on its way to the floor grill in the rig room, like a free airconditioner
well, im just waiting for the snow to melt so i can start, i will post pics of the build and report temp results during the summer

i have also been developing a Peltier system recycling heat to electricity in a feed back loop, but im far from being able to say more at this point

got the 2 FEs on 2 thread each, intensity 980 660 @2540H both,

ddu
install 2 drivers etc method to disable/enable

std settings as before

450W 2xFE, mobo, 2 fans, ssd, risers = 5.6H/W

I'm sure they all have more to give and I haven't even started overclocking....

getting 7435h from 6x64 and 2815h from 2xFE
only 100w and 30w more

no oc yet just intensity tweaking

You'll have to excuse me but my knowlege of this subject is extemely limited.

Would I be correct in understanding that your working on getting the vega 64 running on 2 threads? If so, using this method what would be your 'ideal' outcome in terms of hashing power from a single card be? (potentially ~4000h/s working on the basis a single thread would be ~2000h/s?).

P.S. Please don't laugh too much if if I've completely misundertood the subject.

if you see the 2 amd.txt  code boxes above you will notice the top has a single (GPU) index 0,1,2,3,4,5 entry at a high intensity whereas the bottom box has 2 entries per (GPU) index 0,1,2,3,4,5 at lower and scaled intensity

managed 1370h / gpu with the double thread per GPU (index) but have settled at 1230h with a 25% wattage reduction due to the QMS XMR ECO setting with core temps in the low 30s high 20s

we have reduced the values of the lower core states and their voltages by rewritting the powerplay table and creating 4 new registry variations so far that act as presets of user choice
Activation of a preset also means crossfire check and disable/enable refreshing the GPU after a possible automatic or manual restart

restarting the miner after crash has literaly been totaly automated with all Cryptonight Vega specific dual thread mining otherwise timeconsuming prerequisites satisfied

all by pushing 1 button,
i was able to do trial and error testing to find the sweet spot in hours instead of days because of this new software
and i still havent oc yet

No the vega cards get hash around 2000 h/s on cryptonight when properly configured with 2 threads per card. In XMR stak one must go into the amd.txt file after running the software the first time and manually create a second thread for each card.

4 new reg tables acting as default settings even on crash

XMR ECO preset, currently being developed, offers a minimum 25% wattage reduction to below 1000w for 6 Vega64 + peripherals

you can see the hash rate report
we are testing with cpu mining enabled for those of you that do, i personaly keep cpu resources only for system stability functions, so will be disabling it soon

we also added a driver version report (top right on QMS window)
look at lower state values on Ntool, these are default now via auto reg edit by clicking Activate on QMS
forgot to mention that QMS also disable/enable all gpu in event of crash/miner freeze to clear "stuck in thread" and keep on mining
crash minimum fan setting now 25% not 10rpm
setting up 0%fee pool with coin switch option, to auto connect with QMS pool button click
all this and much more with 50VGA satoshi participation that was $35...

 
https://imgur.com/N6Azt8g


im waiting for a moron to accuse me of photoshoping  images next  :P

to clarify again, im not a or the programer, VGA QMS v10.0.0 is coded by an expert hired by the VGA Community using VGA Community funds
all testing is conducted on my rigs so i take screen pics when he completes a task the VGA Dev team has set for this project

i like what i read, gathering many tools in one nice software
keep it up and ignore the haters plz

looking forward to mine with QMS  ;)

Well wait no more.....just kidding!

Just to be clear though I do admire what your doing.

Keep up the good work.

thnx guys, and please feel free to make suggestions

the programer tweaked QMS to keep the miner running even if  a card drops offline, so you dont get continous restarts if a gpu has failed at a bios/driver/bus level

Your comment made me think of this video. You can skip the first 5 minutes or so of this video... but as he nears the end he gets into a passionate talk that shares the same sentiment with your comments.

https://youtu.be/R00g6E8Yet4

Dan has his heart and gut in the right place, comprehends the dangers of centralised blockchain systems and the overpowering dominance that can be exerted through them,

i am a big supporter of anything decentralised especially the most commonly used tool of the planet, ie money (medium of exchange), if people knew they are happy unwitting tax farm slaves we would not have privately owned central banks ruling planetary reality

qms software now has an all gpu disable/enable button
sourced from device id post detection and edit of devcon, to make it automatic for all systems with no manual setup

if user thinks an easy manual refresh will help system stability

On my rig (with 7 Vega's at present), I have a bat file that disables and then enables all 7 cards. This is the number one time that my rig gets blue screen or hangs. I would estimate that it crashes 1 in 5 times when in this process, and 3 out of 5 times when I am running the enable disable process while managing it remotely from another device.

Personally IMO, it would be better if QMS had a way to just enable the hbm2 directly in a similar way to how the AMD software does instead of using the devcon enable/disable trick method.

If the software could just see if the hbm memory is enabled on each card the way the AMD software does, and then enable it if desired, and have an option to have it always enabled would be better than completely disabling(and re-enabling) the entire device in Windows just to turn on one feature of the GPU. Then if the software doesn't see it enabled it just enables it without having to disable the cards in Windows. AMD's software does this so somehow it's possible.

Hi!

we are on it, but ofcourse easier said than done

the AMD Driver disable/enable BUG and ALL other BUGS are planned to be fixed by Q4 2018 the latest with release of VGA VegaComputeDrivers v01.0.0
we have been clear from the beggining,
the VGA project has primary focus on Development of NEW COMPUTE DRIVER packages, and this is the next VGA community task

The QMS v01.0.0 is a purely mining support program which will develop in its own right as an indespensable tool for the Vega owner

in other words when you participate in the VGA Community its not to just get the initial QMS package, its a running investment through time with constant developments


Ed has been busy adding features to the QMS  ;D

https://imgur.com/CrKYf8p

xmr-stak is hanging a lot my rig.

Are u using it ? What miner are u on?

Yes I'm using Stak. What are your intensity settings? Are you also using cpu, or just gpu alone?