The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

[hulla]

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I respect your strength because what you just said have led to mental issue in some people and to be honest every gamblers indirectly chase after lost because is practically a game of chance with the winning edge of 1%, why gamble with the amount cant easily overlook?

Actually, people know if they have a mental issue because of gambling, but they are trying to deny it and consider it does not exist. It is normal to chase after losing as we don't want to get lost, in anything not just in gambling. But we need to consider and knowing how big percentage to win for us, and we can gamble with some amount without trying to chase the win money.

You make a good point but some people don't know they have mental issues through gambling if they know they would have sought for help before it turns into something enormous like losing their marriage but as you have said every gambler needs to consider winning possibility in every game.

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I dont see any reason for anyone to try hard to win online gambling when the chance of winning is always 1%. I am gambler but I gamble occasionally and I havent gamble this year.

We can enjoy gambling without thinking about how big the chance of winning because we don't search for winning. We know that gamble is about luck, and we don't have to gamble too often as we gamble to have fun and enjoy the game. [~].

I don't think we enjoy gambling without thinking about the chance of winning to be 1% cause 95% of all gamblers are actually after the reward involved.

[Mahanton]

There are those people.

These people either needed the money so badly or they just want to earn a lot of money by cheating the syatems of these casinos or gambling sites. It might be true that they can earn a lot of money from it but they could sacrifice their lives and went to life inside bars and if they are not caught, that will live in their conscience as long as they are alive.

If you look objectively at these people there is no big difference between stealing from the casino or the bank. A bank robber also looks for easy money and is willing to do whatever necessary and accepting the consequences. Stealing ATMs became very common in my country, its done at night without violence or guns. No one getting hurt except the insurance companies. Cheating the casino has similar effects and there can also be jail time in the end. Or bring blacklisted from casinos for the rest of your life.

I think there is a huge difference.

These people are cheating the casino and these people around them didn't know that while those people robbing the bank are so obvious since they will be forcing their way through to get that money. Cheating and robbing are different from each other in terms of these situations. Someone can get hurt and be killed during a robbery, in cheating, there is a low chance of that happening.

But in general sense it is just the same, they do only differ in actions made but in overall concept or situation then stealing someones money is a crime and both things are on that criteria.
They didnt really able to beat up the casino in legal way but on the way of cheating which is unforgivable and its just right for them to be fined and charged up some cases with the things that they had done.
Beating up by only means  of legal way would be considered amazing by thru means of cheating then it doesnt really give out that kind of impression because this is really as good as stealing
and stealing is bad on any angle. Once you get caught then expect on what would be the next thing to happen.

[maydna]

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You make a good point but some people don't know they have mental issues through gambling if they know they would have sought for help before it turns into something enormous like losing their marriage but as you have said every gambler needs to consider winning possibility in every game.

What you say is right. That is why we see many people's lives ruin in their real lives, and if they don't see it because of playing gambling, they will hard to fix their problems. Their life ruins, and soon their family will ruin too. The gambling effect will be too bigger to imagine. We need to consider the effect of our lives, so we don't ruin our lives.

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I don't think we enjoy gambling without thinking about the chance of winning to be 1% cause 95% of all gamblers are actually after the reward involved.

I guess you right. Most gamblers chase the winning, even if they know their chance will not be bigger or less than 5%, because they want to test their luck and want to try to win the money. Sooner or later, they will realize losing money, but some of them will still play gambling and chase more winning.

[Janation]

There are those people.

These people either needed the money so badly or they just want to earn a lot of money by cheating the syatems of these casinos or gambling sites. It might be true that they can earn a lot of money from it but they could sacrifice their lives and went to life inside bars and if they are not caught, that will live in their conscience as long as they are alive.

If you look objectively at these people there is no big difference between stealing from the casino or the bank. A bank robber also looks for easy money and is willing to do whatever necessary and accepting the consequences. Stealing ATMs became very common in my country, its done at night without violence or guns. No one getting hurt except the insurance companies. Cheating the casino has similar effects and there can also be jail time in the end. Or bring blacklisted from casinos for the rest of your life.

I think there is a huge difference.

These people are cheating the casino and these people around them didn't know that while those people robbing the bank are so obvious since they will be forcing their way through to get that money. Cheating and robbing are different from each other in terms of these situations. Someone can get hurt and be killed during a robbery, in cheating, there is a low chance of that happening.

But in general sense it is just the same, they do only differ in actions made but in overall concept or situation then stealing someones money is a crime and both things are on that criteria.
They didnt really able to beat up the casino in legal way but on the way of cheating which is unforgivable and its just right for them to be fined and charged up some cases with the things that they had done.
Beating up by only means  of legal way would be considered amazing by thru means of cheating then it doesnt really give out that kind of impression because this is really as good as stealing
and stealing is bad on any angle. Once you get caught then expect on what would be the next thing to happen.

Don't get me wrong though.

Both stealing and cheating are a crime and yeah they are the same at that point but pointing out cheating the casino and stealing the bank has a huge difference. But yeah, they are both crime and crime is really punishable by law. But I should add here, as stealing the bank is a bold move as cheating the casino won't be that easy to notice.

[Fredomago]

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I think there is a huge difference.

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But in general sense it is just the same, they do only differ in actions made but in overall concept or situation then stealing someones money is a crime and both things are on that criteria.
They didnt really able to beat up the casino in legal way but on the way of cheating which is unforgivable and its just right for them to be fined and charged up some cases with the things that they had done.
Beating up by only means  of legal way would be considered amazing by thru means of cheating then it doesnt really give out that kind of impression because this is really as good as stealing
and stealing is bad on any angle. Once you get caught then expect on what would be the next thing to happen.

Comparatively right! beating up casino in a clean way was amazing it's not usual and very hard and mostly purely luckbehind, 
while doing it with hack or any cheating activities is not fair.

The house have the right protecting their business to any potential hackers and cheaters, They got all the posible means tracking down and freezing any illegal activites once being detected.

Play it right and move away cleanly without any issue or doing it illegally and take all the consequences after.

[South Park]

I think there is a huge difference.

These people are cheating the casino and these people around them didn't know that while those people robbing the bank are so obvious since they will be forcing their way through to get that money. Cheating and robbing are different from each other in terms of these situations. Someone can get hurt and be killed during a robbery, in cheating, there is a low chance of that happening.

I agree the difference is huge, there is no doubt in my mind that those that are cheating the casino are in fact stealing from them and we can call them thieves but the fact that they are not using any kind of violence makes a big difference, which is why when it comes to the law there is a big difference in the kind of punishment that you can get depending on whether or not they use violence, so while I can understand where the comparison comes from at the same time it's not really accurate.

[KTChampions]

Don't get me wrong though.

Both stealing and cheating are a crime and yeah they are the same at that point but pointing out cheating the casino and stealing the bank has a huge difference. But yeah, they are both crime and crime is really punishable by law. But I should add here, as stealing the bank is a bold move as cheating the casino won't be that easy to notice.

In fact, the issue of cheating is not so simple and the same actions by different parties to the transaction are considered differently by this parties. For example, the casino believes that any use of casino errors (in the code or the physical execution of the slot machine) is cheating, while the player believes that the use of errors is normal, since the responsibility for their occurrence lies with the casino.

[Betwrong]

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I haven't been gone to the Land Based Casino and i have just know from you mate that some cameras were built in some desk or any part of the area which are not visible and couldn't be classified as camera. I am also curious how the cctv room personnel manage to look for any detail of every camera catched. Well maybe there is not only one personnel in there and maybe they have their certain cameras that they are specified to look upon.

I think cheating as we see it in movies is out since several years ago (I'd be more than happy to read an evidence that I'm wrong). So,  the cctv room personnel  is watching for drunk troublemakers, pickpockets and stuff like that, rather than for cheaters à la Matt Damon/Edward Norton in Rounders.

[KennyR]

One way it can be called as cheating. By the time we must think of the study they've made in making the impossible possible. It isn't an easy task to study the possible chances and succeed in it. Working as a team had made them achieve. With casinos, cheats and tricks were followed but that doesn't assure consecutive wins. What these people have achieved is big. I truly appreciate the way they've made millions.

[South Park]

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I haven't been gone to the Land Based Casino and i have just know from you mate that some cameras were built in some desk or any part of the area which are not visible and couldn't be classified as camera. I am also curious how the cctv room personnel manage to look for any detail of every camera catched. Well maybe there is not only one personnel in there and maybe they have their certain cameras that they are specified to look upon.

I think cheating as we see it in movies is out since several years ago (I'd be more than happy to read an evidence that I'm wrong). So,  the cctv room personnel  is watching for drunk troublemakers, pickpockets and stuff like that, rather than for cheaters à la Matt Damon/Edward Norton in Rounders.

Never underestimate cheaters and scammers, this is true in this market and in any other activity, have you ever seen a magician perform a magic trick right in front of you and not know how he did what he did? Even with all the cameras in the world there are cheaters that can get away with it, for example a common way for cheaters to cheat at the roulette is to make a small bet on the roulette and if they happen to win they replace the bottom chip of the stack with one of a very high value, then when it is the turn for the croupier to pay and they pay with low value chips they make him notice about that high value chip at the bottom of the stack and he has to pay the cheater, you may think this is easy to see but even with cameras all over the place it is difficult to get an angle to see how the cheater exchanged the chip and they have to pay him.

[Kelvinid]

One way it can be called as cheating. By the time we must think of the study they've made in making the impossible possible. It isn't an easy task to study the possible chances and succeed in it. Working as a team had made them achieve. With casinos, cheats and tricks were followed but that doesn't assure consecutive wins. What these people have achieved is big. I truly appreciate the way they've made millions.

Impressive study either. Cheating is bad but what they did is just to help casinos to give warn and make them aware of their strategy, security, and possibility on the system they use. They should be thankful to these cheaters as well.

This will be for a good reason and I don't think it is totally bad. Many had tried to cheat but only a few of them succeed, that is how those people had mentioned by the OP are gifted. But as technology improves, this kind of work will possibly not win, they will surely be caught in the act. Better not to do it this time, otherwise you will end up in jail.

[maydna]

One way it can be called as cheating. By the time we must think of the study they've made in making the impossible possible. It isn't an easy task to study the possible chances and succeed in it. Working as a team had made them achieve. With casinos, cheats and tricks were followed but that doesn't assure consecutive wins. What these people have achieved is big. I truly appreciate the way they've made millions.

Perhaps, it can be the way for the casino to know that their security doesn't always secure, and they always need to update their site and search for the bug. It is not easy to manage the site 24/7 because the casino team needs to awake and watch the place to find the bug.

The casino can make a contest to find the bug on their games to help the gambler search for the bug, and at least, they don't be the judge as a cheater because the casino asks their help to find the bug. That can improve the casino's reputation because they use people's help to see what needs to improve in their place, and they can reward the gambler by helping the casino.

[Betwrong]

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I haven't been gone to the Land Based Casino and i have just know from you mate that some cameras were built in some desk or any part of the area which are not visible and couldn't be classified as camera. I am also curious how the cctv room personnel manage to look for any detail of every camera catched. Well maybe there is not only one personnel in there and maybe they have their certain cameras that they are specified to look upon.

I think cheating as we see it in movies is out since several years ago (I'd be more than happy to read an evidence that I'm wrong). So,  the cctv room personnel  is watching for drunk troublemakers, pickpockets and stuff like that, rather than for cheaters à la Matt Damon/Edward Norton in Rounders.

Never underestimate cheaters and scammers, this is true in this market and in any other activity, have you ever seen a magician perform a magic trick right in front of you and not know how he did what he did? Even with all the cameras in the world there are cheaters that can get away with it, for example a common way for cheaters to cheat at the roulette is to make a small bet on the roulette and if they happen to win they replace the bottom chip of the stack with one of a very high value, then when it is the turn for the croupier to pay and they pay with low value chips they make him notice about that high value chip at the bottom of the stack and he has to pay the cheater, you may think this is easy to see but even with cameras all over the place it is difficult to get an angle to see how the cheater exchanged the chip and they have to pay him.

I get your point, it is called sleight-of-hand cheating, but it's impossible to do in today's reality. According to the current rules, players must keep their hands away from the layout after the words "No more bets" were pronounced by the croupier. You don't even need a human behind a monitor to say whether someone was reaching over the table or not. It can be done automatically, and even if croupier didn't notice it, he/she would be notified of the violation immediately.

[Pokapoka124]

This story inspires me. It takes a lot of guts to pull it off. I wonder how it turned out for the students their techniques. Did such skill work for them also? Or did the casinos get smarter? Anyways it feels good to know the house doesn't always win 

[CarnagexD]

This happens and came to be because they saw gambling as an opportunity to create profit, and not to be something to relieve stress from and basically relax. Not saying that what they're doing is wrong since at the end of the day the house also cheats on you so it's either you or them. But if you could invest time and effort doing this and learning so much information about the game you'll be abusing, why don't we spend more time doing what we really love and use gambling as a sideline eh?

This story inspires me. It takes a lot of guts to pull it off. I wonder how it turned out for the students their techniques. Did such skill work for them also? Or did the casinos get smarter? Anyways it feels good to know the house doesn't always win 

Nothing too out of the ordinary at least for these students, they basically just counted the cards because they knew the house will always cheat on them and created a pattern that will allow them to win.

[Lanatsa]

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I haven't been gone to the Land Based Casino and i have just know from you mate that some cameras were built in some desk or any part of the area which are not visible and couldn't be classified as camera. I am also curious how the cctv room personnel manage to look for any detail of every camera catched. Well maybe there is not only one personnel in there and maybe they have their certain cameras that they are specified to look upon.

I think cheating as we see it in movies is out since several years ago (I'd be more than happy to read an evidence that I'm wrong). So,  the cctv room personnel  is watching for drunk troublemakers, pickpockets and stuff like that, rather than for cheaters à la Matt Damon/Edward Norton in Rounders.

Never underestimate cheaters and scammers, this is true in this market and in any other activity, have you ever seen a magician perform a magic trick right in front of you and not know how he did what he did? Even with all the cameras in the world there are cheaters that can get away with it, for example a common way for cheaters to cheat at the roulette is to make a small bet on the roulette and if they happen to win they replace the bottom chip of the stack with one of a very high value, then when it is the turn for the croupier to pay and they pay with low value chips they make him notice about that high value chip at the bottom of the stack and he has to pay the cheater, you may think this is easy to see but even with cameras all over the place it is difficult to get an angle to see how the cheater exchanged the chip and they have to pay him.

I get your point, it is called sleight-of-hand cheating, but it's impossible to do in today's reality. According to the current rules, players must keep their hands away from the layout after the words "No more bets" were pronounced by the croupier. You don't even need a human behind a monitor to say whether someone was reaching over the table or not. It can be done automatically, and even if croupier didn't notice it, he/she would be notified of the violation immediately.

This method had been already busted up so its just normal that most or all of physical casinos now are much aware on the probability about switching up something or approaching to the table.

This wont really be working as of todays era, for those old days then it might able to push on or someone do able to perform it out and able to cheat but now it isn't already possible.

Just like on what you had mentioned, we are on a hi-tech era and making such moves will really be obvious and also setting out new rules like on not to go near when bets are on final

[Fredomago]

One way it can be called as cheating. By the time we must think of the study they've made in making the impossible possible. It isn't an easy task to study the possible chances and succeed in it. Working as a team had made them achieve. With casinos, cheats and tricks were followed but that doesn't assure consecutive wins. What these people have achieved is big. I truly appreciate the way they've made millions.

They've able to find the tweak and enjoy the benefits before they've been caught by the casino owners. It's cheating as most of them played illegally or use something that not allowed from the house.

Most of those who facilitated the tweaks before being caught able to cash out huge amount of winnings, but because of greed thinking that they are freely to do it again and again, suspicions starts to come from the people behind the business, knowing that casinos are designed to generate profits and not to become a feeding venue for cheaters.

[mardaed]

They've able to find the tweak and enjoy the benefits before they've been caught by the casino owners. It's cheating as most of them played illegally or use something that not allowed from the house.

Cheating is cheating, regardless of its form and reason for doing it. I am not saying that it is right to do it for the first time, but they could at least regret it and refrain from doing it again, and maybe that could make it less of crime. But, as you have said that when cheaters went greedy enough to do it over and over again, that is on another level of cheating and crime indeed.

[Jemzx00]

They've able to find the tweak and enjoy the benefits before they've been caught by the casino owners. It's cheating as most of them played illegally or use something that not allowed from the house.

Cheating is cheating, regardless of its form and reason for doing it. I am not saying that it is right to do it for the first time, but they could at least regret it and refrain from doing it again, and maybe that could make it less of crime. But, as you have said that when cheaters went greedy enough to do it over and over again, that is on another level of cheating and crime indeed.

Correct just as you've said cheating is cheating and no matter how small you've thru doesn't justify what you've done. If you've been caught early while cheating then you can't reason it out that you only have started, it doesn't work that way. No matter how much you've gain and profited by your cheats will not make it less of a crime. There is no such thing a less of crime when cheating casinos, you'll end up in jail even if just a penny that you've gain if you are proven to be cheater.
Better to avoid cheating and be honest or cheat and hope that you never get caught or spend time in jail.

[ufaiz50]

What I still wonder to what extent something falls under the term cheating. Cheating is different than breaking the rules.