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Recently one of our developers mtrlt spent about 4 hours adding scrypt support to Reaper, the SolidCoin GPU miner.

http://solidcoin.info/reaper.html

It currently gets ~720KH/s on a 6990 . Is it possible the "botnet" or "darkpool" mining Litecoin is actually artforz and coblee who have been mining LiteCoin using an unfair advantage since the start? Conning litecoin users into thinking it's a CPU mining chain when in fact the GPU dominates it?

Artforz publicly admitted to creating a GPU miner for litecoin numerous times, however he also said his GPU miner of scrypt (the algorithm used in Litecoin and which he selected) only got 9KH/s on a 6870 GPU. This is suspicious when our developer can get massive improvements over CPU with only 4 hours of effort, on the order of 150 times faster than artforz. Either artforz is terrible at creating GPU miners or he lied to litecoin users.

Coblee, the "creator" of Litecoin, copy- pasted Artforz's code from Tenebrix and was communicating with him around the time of previous coin fairbrix and his latest attempt Litecoin. He went around giving the exact speech artforz did, so they both were involved in spreading the "GPU Hostile" mistruth . The fact that that it is found that the coin is far from GPU Hostile should lead to questions being asked of both coblee and artforz as to how and why they misled the public.

I've been working on a Bitcoin CUDA miner that can reach 10 Ghash/sec on NVidia GeForce 9800 GT. True story.

Where's the miner?

could be just a scam to scare people away from ltc

We're currently "testing it" :P   .

mtrlt is on his own when it comes to releasing it publicly, v13 of Reaper also includes many other benefits many people have been waiting for (makes SC hash about 60% faster on CPU). He may never release it publicly, keep an eye on the SC forum or wiki, if it does get released it will be mentioned there first. Given how easy it is to actually do it if you're a good programmer I'm sure others will attempt it regardless.

It's funny some accusations here are flying about the claims. Despite the rumors we are very honest people who develop SolidCoin and I'm sure all the "facts" will be coming out soon. What is disappointing is the fact artforz and coblee have been misleading their users as to the viability of CPU mining on Litecoin.

I originally paid mtrlt in SolidCoins to get his SolidCoin GPU miner out to the public so everyone could mine on equal terms. I'm sure he would have done it eventually regardless because that's the sort of person he is but it shows my dedication to having an equal playfield for every SolidCoin user compared to coblee and artforz.

Why wouldn't he release it? Without this miner released it's just a bs claim

Well he said it would be in v13, but it's free software and it's not like coblee is shelling up some coins to pay for it. Maybe ask artforz for the gpu miner he has been using for over 3 months.

You have no proof for that at all, your're just making false accusations. I know one fact which might be frustrating, 1500btc bid on ltc vs 250 on sc. Good time to release some bad news

Many people will admit to the fact artforz has claimed "9KH/s" , he's publicly said it on btc-e chat and on IRC. You can't have a guy that makes a scrypt miner in 4 hours 25x faster than that without questions being raised.

In regards to "buy orders" , you do know SC is on multiple exchanges?

Check out the other major exchange :- http://slc24.com

I also don't really care about the price because I'm not in this for the money, but on last check the price of each SC is nearly 4x that of LiteCoin. If you're against banks, the system and government infringing your freedoms then you should get involved with our project. It's the only currency with a solution to the major problems facing Bitcoin.

And you publicly 'claim' to be able to do it 25x faster.. how is that different without proof, and no "I'm mining litecoin" in some screenshot aint proof.

So skeptical. :)  When haven't we delivered ? Either way you can think it doesn't exist and GPU mining is impossible until the Reaper v13 release if you wish.

The reason I'm announcing this publicly is because I think if we didn't people would realize we were hiding the truth "for some time" when the release is actually made. Just know some people are already GPU mining and it's a lot more efficient than CPUs. It's also likely others have been for some time but would rather not tell Litecoin users.

Wait, aren't you the ScamCoin guy? Sounds like an attempt to undermine Litecoin to me...

https://i.imgur.com/TMYXq.png
That guy is a fake, my super optimized miner is a lot faster.

Shouldn't this be in off-topic?
It is all without any single thread of actual proof anywhere.
It may be true - but hey I may be Satoshi (hmm I think I've proven that one false at least a few times :P)

Right if we didn't announce it and just release Reaper v13 with Litecoin/scrypt GPU mining in it we wouldn't be accused of "Raping litecoin for months" would we. Damned if you do damned if you don't. :P  . mtrlt got it working 2 days ago and I announced it today, that's a pretty tight disclosure period.

Well when you also say that - yeah you're just trolling and obviously just trying to get people to go to SC.

Well.. there still aint no proof. And "Raping litecoin for months" ?? That's total bs, that 6990 uses at least 350Watts. On my cpu's I do about .5 kh/s per watt so the gpu is only 42% more efficient per watt. Even if this is true it's not a big story really.

I still would like to test this new GPU miner !

I would like to see a unicorn that shits skittles.

+1
LOL quite funny :)

I was getting lots of pink unicorns at github the other day - but unfortunately, no skittles.

Firstly you don't know how many watts it uses to mine scrypt, secondly this is early days (hours even). The original SC GPU miner is about 50% slower than what is available now. And future versions will likely extend that for SolidCoin.

As to scrypt, anything between 50% and 200% increase over what is there now wouldn't surprise me. You can pretty much kiss scrypt mining on CPU goodbye because unlike the custom SolidCoin algorithm it isn't a good all round choice for both GPUs and CPUs on a watt for watt basis.

Just let me ask you this. Where is _any_ proof that art or cobblee are(were doing that? Remember the "penis" botnet? More likely its your corrupted being that now tries to "scare" people away from "dishonest" projects.. There has been so far but one Chain creator out here that used a botnet to stabilize his chain and later to ddos other networks and pools...

Sorry RS.. that was again one of your less bright ideas to come up with.

Please dear Mods, remove this thread altogether or send it to offtopic.. nothing but accusations and claims with no real worth..

Aah there is what this is all about, sc the alternative.. well lets get the miner public and prove it

Question marks totally fool everyone when you spread FUD?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53595.0

Is CoinHunter completely full of shit? Are his proofless accusations libel? Does he deserve a scammer tag?

I counter offer with a Taco that craps Ice Cream

http://thewolfweb.com/photos/00115481.jpg

SC is a much better currency even when comparing to Bitcoin, but when it comes to so called "mining profitability" both LTC and BTC are better currently. That was part of the recent economic change, until SC is valued more highly then mining won't be very tempting to many people.

We could have mined secretly with GPU for much time and got many litecoins doing it. So please put it in perspective about why we are releasing this info to the public.

Sounds like Nachtwind is involved aswell !  ::)

Sure i am.. I was the "penis" botnet. Mined SC with a pool of.. uhh 400 PCs or so..
No wait.. i had a secret Artforz GPU miner for SC and was able to come up with >50% of the whole SC network with just my single 6850...



One question i just get into my mind.. if Art had such an increadibly wonderful miner.. why not making it publicly available? From what i read so far anything that could harm SC would be something he would release.. and such a wonderweapon would be something for it..

Because attacking public opinion about your competitors is worth more to you than pure anonymous profit? It's not hard to imagine the perspective of an anonymous con man running a Ponzi scheme.

Omg.. look at my fast speeds!!!!!


[2011-12-24 08:24:35] accepted: 159703/160544 (99.48%), 359.00 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] accepted: 159704/160545 (99.48%), 359.00 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] thread 12: 41812 hashes, 16.84 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] thread 14: 51635 hashes, 16.12 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] accepted: 159705/160546 (99.48%), 361.42 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] thread 8: 52946 hashes, 15.96 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] accepted: 159706/160547 (99.48%), 362.82 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] thread 11: 57687 hashes, 16.35 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] accepted: 159707/160548 (99.48%), 361.77 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] thread 16: 57704 hashes, 16.03 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:24:35] accepted: 159708/160549 (99.48%), 362.95 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:24:36] thread 3: 61429 hashes, 16.41 khash/s


 Yeah.. its bullshit.. some virtual machines show incorrect speeds :P

hey guys i think i finally figured out what FUD meant!

OMG.. i beat your numbers with a simple 24 core hyperthreaded VM :P


[2011-12-24 08:29:10] thread 8: 11434 hashes, 16.44 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] thread 16: 17381 hashes, 14.62 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] accepted: 161072/161923 (99.47%), 340.01 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] accepted: 161073/161924 (99.47%), 340.01 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] thread 17: 11655 hashes, 17.04 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] accepted: 161074/161925 (99.47%), 340.97 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] thread 12: 58743 hashes, 15.53 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] thread 4: 35851 hashes, 15.28 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] accepted: 161075/161926 (99.47%), 341.01 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] accepted: 161076/161927 (99.47%), 341.01 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:29:10] thread 15: 146456 hashes, 15.71 khash/s
[2011-12-24 08:29:11] accepted: 161077/161928 (99.47%), 343.31 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2011-12-24 08:29:11] thread 8: 15402 hashes, 14.10 khash/s

BTW.. real number 72 Khash/s... so yeah.. nice try

CoinHunter, if you were just doing a public service to announce this, shouldn't the title for this post be "GPU mining on litecoin possible!" instead of accusing me of something that you have absolutely no proof of because I'm not doing it. If an efficient GPU miner for scrypt is possible, this is the first time I'm hearing it. I'm no expert in scrypt, but a few knowledgeable people I know have looked at it and determined that it is designed to not work well on GPUs. Is it possibl that they are wrong? sure, but until I see solid proof, this is just another FUD post from CoinHunter.

I will say this.. when he passes the FUD.. I was able to pickup some LTC cheap and make some extra BTC..  :)

Or maybe the dark pool is you and mtrlt mining LTC for an unfair advantage the whole time and only now saying you have a miner.

I am no GPGPU expert, but I think ArtForz made some very good points in the following thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45849.0
CoinHunter could make his claims convincing by simply explaining how to address the GPU limitations outlined by ArtForz.

I heard that all SolidCoin blocks fund transfers to CoinHunter's personal wallet. When he gets tired of playing with SolidCoin, he's planning on cashing them out and killing the chain.

Well.. since everyone knows now that cobblee and artforz have a top secret gpu miner.. and i am part of the dozen people who are allowed to use it.. let me share it with all of you:

https://i.imgur.com/aYsZO.jpg


Code:
The miner is written in plain C# and doesnt need any special libraries besides what you have anyway. I havent tested it, but since it is written in MONO on windows it might be cross platform compatible... For more hash you have to tweak lines 31 and 32.. but dont expect too much, its just a preview of what cobblefart is.. By the way.. fun is: You can set it to any pool you like.. its speed sucks on bitcoin but is a bomb on Solidcoin and Scrypt - and its wattage is awesome. Not much more than simple idle power consumption at 200kh

Code: http://pastebin.com/aCR53QcY

Dubious at best.

source or gtfo

We have found a bug in the code to make it look like we are mining at 1 MH/S on a simple dual core.. however only 1 share was submitted.. again.. no real proof

Seriously CoinHunter. If you didn't care about price, then why do you keep manipulating block rewards to try to reach dollar parity? SC block rewards is now only ~0.05 (1/1000 of Litecoin). And SC price is only about 3x that of LTC. That's rather weak in my opinion. Maybe that's why you come here to spread your FUD?

He needs someone to pick on since he is butthurt that he killed solidcoin again.

Typical coinhunter, continuing to be worthless to the crypto currency community.

Are you really that sad, your coin comes to a crashing halt; and your response instead of improving your system, is bashing another.
You would do quite well in Washington, DC (slumming it with the underlords of douche baggery)

Another pathetic tentative to attack litecoin?  ::) Ridicolous.

Oh and i have made some dozens of full custom chips at 28nm specifically tailored to mine bitcoin and litecoins. 1 terahash per chip. True story.

I've learned to ignore the solidcoin shills.

They are actually bots programmed to rile you.

Ships in 4-6 weeks?

Ohh my goodness.. look out.. We have found the ultimate GPU miner for litecoin!!!! We did this with a GeForce mx2 :)

https://i.imgur.com/HQ8SX.png

the ltc-mining cpu- and gpu-effectivity w/kh seem to be simultan:
core i3 / 3.1 ghz / 3 threads / ~ 15 w only for this / 12.5 kh/s =>1.2 w/kh
core i7 / 3.6 ghz / 7 threads / ~ 46 w only for this / 32 kh/s =>1.437 w/kh
6990 / ~350 w (don't know the correct watt) for 250 kh/s => 1.4 w/kh

but with more improvement there will be an even better w/kh-rate for the 6990 and the other mining-cards

so the end of ltc-cpu-mining is not too far away because
one 6990 does the job of ~8 core-i7 or ~20 core i3

A unicorn can run 500 miles on one gallon (of beer).  A gallon of beer is more expensive than a gallon of gas but likely we are still seeing the end of hybrid cars because one unicorn is equal to almost 10x Toyota Prius.  Plus with improvement in unicorn-beer technology you are getting even better m/goa rate (thats miles to gallons of alcohol).

At 250 kH/s with your 6990 your daily yield is right around 160 LTC at current difficulty (estimating with http://www.litecoinpool.org/stats, and ignoring pool fees of course).  At an exchange rate of .002802 BTC per LTC that means you can exchange your daily take of LTC for roughly .44 BTC. 

Now if you were mining straight BTC with that 6990, you'd be doing around 820 MH/s which yields around .60 BTC per day, maybe a little more.  I'm guessing that you'd need that GPU Litecoin miner to hit around 350 kH/s or so before you start breaking even versus mining straight BTC.

At least ArtForz was mistaken about Cell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.msg555716#msg555716) earlier :)

Just let's do some simple math. Playstation3 has 6 SPE cores, each clocked at 3.2GHz and 25GB/s of total memory bandwidth. Calculating one hash needs approximately 434176 ADD/ROL/XOR operations on 128-bit vectors in the performance critical part of salsa20/8 which are executed in the even pipe (shuffles and the other instructions are executed in the odd pipe). Also calculating one hash needs 256KB of memory bandwidth (128KB is written sequentially, 128KB is read in scattered 128-byte chunks). So taking into account that SPE core can execute one instruction from the even pipe each cycle, the theoretical performance limit based on computational power is (6 * 3200000000) / 434176 ~= 44.2 khash/s. The theoretical performance limit based on memory bandwidth is 25GB / 256KB ~= 95.4 khash/s. There is a lot of headroom for the memory bandwidth and arithmetic calculations are the bottleneck. Though Cell has precise control over memory operations by scheduling DMA transfers and can overlap DMA transfers with calculations. This allows to utilize memory bandwidth very efficiently for scrypt algorithm.

This page (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=646&card2=) seems to say that HD 6990 has 320GB/s of memory bandwidth. And here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61888.msg731698#msg731698) ArtForz tells us that it is possible to achieve < 20% peak BW with GPU. Doing some math again, we get 320GB * 0.2 / 256KB ~= 244 khash/s. Looks rather believable to me.

edit: corrected HD 6990 memory bandwidth (it is 320GB/s and not 350GB/s)

Check out the big brain on Brett! :o

Bandwidth has nothing to do w/ scrypt.  LATENCY does.  Which is why the amount of L1 cache is so important.

What about smix and the mul operations in scrypt?  I thought the reason for the speed of Cell as implemented in PS3 (~35 kh/s) was do to the 256kb onboard local registers...  The slowdown in scrypt(1024,1,1) has little to do with the speed of the memory and everything to do with the speed of random accesses to that memory.  Cache (or onboard memory in the case of Cell) is way, way faster in terms of random access to data (L1 and L2 are 4 and 10 clock cycles respectively for an I7).


http://www.yosefk.com/blog/simd-simt-smt-parallelism-in-nvidia-gpus.html

GPUs generally have little onboard cache (16-32kb) because the data they process is intended to be sequential (and it usually is for 3D applications).

L1 cache is just less important than you think :) For example, my scrypt miner optimizations for Cell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55953.0) do not use 256KB of fast local memory at all. It is insufficient for 4x unrolling which is needed in order to eliminate pipeline stalls and at least half of the performance would be lost. But scrypt is not memory heavy enough, so I can easily get away working with the main memory and still have a lot of memory bandwidth headroom. LATENCY is not important in my case, because memory accesses are pipelined, get executed asynchronously and do not block execution. But you can check scrypt_spu_core8 (https://github.com/ssvb/cpuminer/blob/cell-be-optimizations/scrypt-cell-spu.c#L159) function in the code yourself.

If GPUs have excessive computational resources, then even waiting for memory a lot of time (80% or so per each execution core) is likely not a problem as long as all of them are competing for the precious memory bandwidth and fully saturating it. I did not think about GPU mining earlier just because I did not have any experience with GPU programming and honestly did not expect them to have that much memory bandwidth (more than 10x advantage over Cell).

What's funny to me about all this is that gpu mining the coin early before anyone else could is exactly what coinhunter did with SC :D.   Such a douche.  You should be banned from this forum.

 ???
Well.. yeah, SC started out as a GPU chain.

So I guess CH is really telling us its time to quickly buy some litecoins, because difficulty is about to explode :).

OMG I laughed for about 4 mins from that one. Priceless!

Laughed so hard!

So fast GPU mining of LTC would drive the price of Litecoins up?

Nope.  It started as CPU only, then a few weeks after launch they miraculously "turned on" GPU mining.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44423.0

then

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49219.0

In Litecoins, hashes mine themselves, and distribute to worthy miners automatically with gift of free electricity and unicorn-shatted skittles delivered by fairy Godmothers.

In ShortBusCoins, coins themselves are shit, as is Glorious Leader Dear DoucheBag/RS/CH King of All Delusion and FUD, Hysterical Chicken Little Bitch Princess of the Realm.

Who cares? RS/CH/Douchebag coming up with the scandal-of-the-moment announcement is a lot like a fish pissing in the ocean, it doesn't amount to much, and nobody really notices.

epic, like always  :D

SC2.0 did, SC was GPU :)

Well, from talking with Ahimoth on btc-e, sounds like mtrlt managed to find a workaround for the issues I was having with scrypt miner kernels on GPU.
Short version... any of my kernels that got speeds like that also got 100% invalids. Yet the same kernel worked fine on CPU or if I dropped global and/or local worksizes to silly small levels... which of course made it dog slow again...
And of course RS turning the whole thing into "OMG CONSPIRACY!!1one"... duh, it's RS.

So you're just incompetent then? You get a scrypt miner working and then just give up after no more effort? Then go around telling people that it's unfeasible on GPU due to your few hour effort attempting to see if it was possible?

mrtlt did it in 4 hours.

So you're either incompetent or holding back the truth about how much GPU mining you have been doing. Seeing as you were passing around hidden SolidCoin GPU miners prior to mtrlt releasing one publicly I think your past speaks for itself, including Bitcoin GPU mining. It's hardly a conspiracy when your past is full of this exact thing, it's a logical deduction.

There were some opencl compiler related issues mtrlt ran into, however once they were identified it became relatively easy to work around them.
There is nothing in scrypt that actively prevents it from *running* on a gpu with multiple threads. It really just comes down to a matter of hashrate being bound to memory speeds.

Who appointed you King Ethics? How did you determine that Artforz owes it to the community to develop the best scrypt miner and release it publicly?

Go crawl back to your own forums where you ban people that disagree with you and edit other people's posts to suit your own agenda.

LOL +1!

+1

If art could not be arsed to look into it so be it... Some people like him has a real Job to go to

Also talking about incompetent is that when someone tells you about a exploit and you decide not to fix it and then they exploit it... Oh hold on YES IT IS :)

Incompetent, or maybe not paid enough to really give a damn. Not to mention I said from the start that CPU coins are a fucking stupid idea because even a tiny botnet can trivially 51% em.

So... *what* is that "trivial" bug, and how the fuck do you work around it? Oh right... "seekrit! neener neener!"

Getting tired of calling me incompetent yet? No? Okay. keep on then...
So wait, I'm supposed to release a SC2 GPU miner to the public out of the goodness of my heart when you fuckwads publically spread defamatory comments about me? Kindly go fuck yourself.

As for how much GPU mining I have been doing, I had 24 5970s up until about late summer '11... then sold em, because at 0.22EUR/kWh keeping a mining farm after that would be kinda ... stupid, no?

And as for me publically admitting I gave away a SC2 GPU miner? well, did I ever claim otherwise? ... Wait, nobody ever asked! Just LOL ARTFORZ IS DICKMINER trolling from you, which I can honestly claim is false. Now if you said LOL ARTFORZ WROTE A SC2 MINER BY REING SC2 BETA AND GIVES IT TO WHOEVER ASKS... that'd be different. But no one ever came close to that.

So, let's play that game in reverse... why didn't any of your guys come up with the trivial optimization of turning the (really expensive on a GPU) 64 bit modulos in SC2s algo into (cheap) 32 bit sum-and-mod with carry? In months? Waaait, let me guess, they're all incompetent ... or they did. But hey, no reason to let those "parasite" miners outside of your inner circle have it, right?

Just like you did.

lawl

I wish I could get blamed for being involved in some conspiracy once in a while  :(

*goes back to his closet*

the closet you ran back to is the conspiracy :O

and Artforz lays the crushing blow.

and the hot chik under roadhogs name ftw

She can lay a blow on me any time.

love dem saucy red heads. LOl

I heard that all SolidCoin blocks fund transfers to CoinHunter's personal wallet. When he gets tired of playing with SolidCoin, he's planning on cashing them out and killing the chain.

I can't resist... CH: You win the "Jester Award" I can't stop laughing whenever I read your posts.

That being said... Per ArtForz comment above, do we actually have a GPU miner for LTC?

I vote to BAN this little kid.

Ôôhh CARA CHATO!!

Don't you just love that whole "OUR developer" thing? Just as if any of the socially awkward fan-boys who work on the ShortBusCoin are legit, educated programmers!

Wrong tootweasel, anyone involved in "development" (and by that we mean the completely incompetent and rather ham-fisted repackaging of other people's work with a few critically fucked up bugs added in, all released under an illegal copyright notice!) is an ass-clown just like their bitch-master. Oooh, your "developer"? Don't you mean the poor dumb bastard that you are currently ripping off code from and passing it off as your leet mad hakzor coding skillz? Those skillz make you, what was it again? Hundreds of imaginary dollars per hour? While living in your mom's rat-infested basement pleasuring yourself with lingerie ads? That kind of developer?

Listen, you have a whole cadre of believers (if two can be a cadre) on your own site. Why not hie your happy ass back there and have a group hug and tell yourselves conspiracy stories around the campfire about how aliens are real, tinfoil hats work, and ShortBusCoin is going to take over the world and allow you to implement your plan for world anarchy. Then Mommy can bring you all some warm milk and cookies and you can make shadow puppets with your secret decoder flashlights and marvel at how clever you are.

+9001

[ ] told
[ ] not told
[X] Knights of the told Republic

Heh, so wait, let me try and understand this new story. You didn't get paid enough to do it on Scrypt coins (funnily enough an algorithm *you* chose for tenebrix that Coblee later copied for Litecoin) but you have time to :-
1) Reverse engineer a SolidCoin beta
2) Code up a GPU miner for it
3) Make it relatively efficient.

But when it comes to your love child chain it's like
1) I spent a whole 2 hours working on that and it didn't work
2) A frickin compiler bug stopped me! The legendary artforz!
3) Over the next 3 months you spend multiple hours talking about how GPUs can't run scrypt on IRC and BTC-e

Big difference there isn't it in regards to the time you put in for SolidCoin...  ;D If you want someone to believe this you need a new story, I guess we will have some "clarifications" coming up.


Oh you spam a chain and they bad mouth you. Diddums.  :'( Poor little artforz just does nothing to noone and people are picking on him. The big meanies.  ;D

Hey little dude?

You need to get back on your meds, really fast. Your coin is crap, worthless and not even amusing as a joke anymore. You, personally, are even worse, a demented little creep with delusions of mattering, while dreaming of being elected Number One Anarchy Princess of the World. You are a mealy mouthed little con-man and limp-dick rip-off artist, with enough skillz to tip over a soft drink machine, but not enough common sense to get out of the way of it falling.

Every time you touch fingertip to keyboard you prove in all your fuckwit glory that the intellectual gene pool has a shallow end, and you are happily sitting there pissing yourself. Really, just step away from the keyboard, put down the Babysitters in Bondage lingerie catalogue, go get a big glass of water, and pop a couple of lithium, or Ritalin, or roofies or whatever your Mommy has you on to keep you quiet and drooling in the corner, because nobody, but nobody, here gives half a rat's ass about your silly fear-mongering and conspiracy theories.

Still smarting from somebody reverse-engineering your stolen, hacked and aborted code? Probably took them less than 15 minutes, while drinking and eating dinner. Still a little butt-hurt ouchy about making such a prize-ass of yourself over "ShortBusCoin to control all world economies and is even BETTER than bitcoin, now with improved cleaning formula!!!!" being shown to be rather juvenile posturing? Spending time looking for your sense of dignity after being schooled REPEATEDLY about your assinine claims of open source, superior coding, massive adoption, no pre-mine, completely transparent and honestly released uber-wonder-code? Still sad because you can't get that wonderful job back as Junior Assistant Trainee Floor Mopping Lackey at McAussie Burger?

Well, go have your little weird pity party in your own sandbox, and let the cats bury you with the other pieces of shit, because this venue neither believes, nor cares about your silly little nothings.

Decompilers ... yep tricky things them ... you need to spend weeks ... pressing return once.

Off the topic of personal attacks, but relevant to OP:

From what I understood from the start, SCrypt COULD be implemented over a GPU. The point was it SHOULDN'T because it was more efficient/profitable for miners to mine BTC.

Actually back when the CPU coins came out - a GPU scrypt miner would have made a lot more on the CPU chains if it was a lot faster than the equivalent CPU miner ...
I never made a lot in any of this, but I did make a few times more LTC mining early on than I made BTC GPU mining at the same time.
Now of course, well yeah certainly not worth it at the moment.

(but I certainly shouldn't :) say that I was the first one who argued that GPU scrypt mining should be possible back at the start ... and got shot down by most ... heh would be funny if I was correct ...)

Another shart from the folks at Solidcoin.
They say that people shit their pants when they die. I guess cryptocurrencies do too.  :(

That's... surprising. From what I recall, one of the things that was really slowing SolidCoin mining down on GPUs was writing to the scratch buffer. The SolidCoin algorithm writes to a small enough scratch buffer that it could be migrated to fast local GPU memory, though for some reason I'm not sure anyone's actually managed to do this yet. Scrypt writes its data to a buffer that's far too large to fit into GPU local storage.

The other curious thing is that the SolidCoin algorithm has some interesting time-space and logic-memory tradeoffs that Scrypt was specifically designed to block, and in theory they make FPGA mining of it a lot more feasible than it should be. I'm actually somewhat surprised ArtForz hasn't been FPGA mining it.

I am not... Its gotta be worth something to mine.. For example if you mined it right now you prob would not even cover the FPGA Electric costs.

Wow... 5 pages now already.. but from what i can see there is nothing actually supporting Coinhunters ridicolous claims..

So CH, please do us all a favor and stay inside that little world inside your head and dont come out again, we really dont need people like you arround here spreading nothing but lies and bullshit. Sometimes i see you like this dipshits i have to deal sometimes at work, creationist that come into our institute just to tell us that we are totally wrong, that despite evry logical evidence dinosaurs never existed and the world is 5000 years old. They have the same brain disorder/illness that you have: Misconceptions of how the world arround you is made and the knowleadge that YOU alone are the keeper of a greater truth.
ANd you know what? You, same as these fucks, are wrong.

Now go home and work on your next bullshit theory. I think when your network dropped below 5mh we will see one coming up again. Giving you some hints:
- CO2 emissions from Bitcoin compared to SC
- Ozon layer disruptions in those areas with lots of BTC miners arround
- Lolcust actually wrote a CUDA miner ages ago that gives you 1Gh on scrypt but sold it only to me and three other people
- Artforz secretly 51% your chain already 7 times but you fight it off..
- Cobblee is singer of ABBA
- Bitcoinexpress is now one of your employees and secures your code
...

Do you have your scrypt GPU code available in some public repository? I could probably give it a try.

And I think it might be better to create a separate thread for scrypt GPU mining. This thread just does not feel appropriate, too much of conspiracy theories and fanboyism.

+1.. Now thats the truth!

I love when people say "True Story"

~True Story

IMHO I believe this can all be possible and true.

After all ArtForz WAS mining like 60 000 BTC using a 4870 in early BTC days without giving anyone anything.

Why would he not do it again for LTC ?

I remember asking for LTC GPU miner and did not get anything. They refused to give it to me claiming that it was very slow ( which is total BS I think ).

Wish I could code up some magic BS and mine without anybody noticing anything.

True story ... ;D

If someone creates something, I think they deserve to "test" it for a little while.  After all, wouldn't they need to bug test it for a little bit before releasing things to the public?

And it's not like there are tons of donors walking around these parts... some, but not enough to pay their bills...

And we keep talking about a few weeks or months... after a few years, all of this "delayed" disclosure will be insignificant. 

Try to think long term...  hopefully everyone on these forums will be millionaires some day.

If not, then you can resume your poop slinging.

With BTC, if someone works out a way to mine twice as fast on GPU - it will make no big difference to everyone GPU mining if they give it to everyone.
The difficulty will almost double so everyone is back to (or almost exactly back to) square one: same electricity, same hash time per BTC.
Except all non GPU miners get almost only HALF of what they got before so everyone GPU mining would get slightly more to balance that out.

If they keep it to themselves, then they would almost double the amount of BTC they get until everyone else gets the new miner.
And the double BTC (well half of the double) comes from everyone else who mines - which means most (all?) wouldn't notice the minuscule drop in BTC they get.

Apply that how you will to LTC

+1 kjlimo

hope you get paid in something other than solidcoins :)

He gets paid in coin-options which allow him to buy ScamCoin 3.0 coins at a reduced rate from the Royal ShortBus treasury.

ScamCoin 3.0 ready for the ScamCoin 2.0 downfall.

My Hero

LOL

That's the kind of post that could make you rich! :D
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63092.msg743279#msg743279

That should get him at least 100 LTC Poker Chips....   :D

I will award him 10 magic beans out of my personal stash...the captain's cabinet.

hmmmmm, delicious

I didn't know there was men's lingerie, let alone entire magazines devoted to it.

It took a while (30 or 40 seconds or so) to lurk the debates between the two of you and decide who was on the side of the angels. Then CH/RS/Douchebag opened his mouth and sealed the deal.

I've just approved a bitcoin bet on the existence of a such a miner:

mtrlt has a fast LTC GPU miner (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=292)

You are welcome to place your bets.
You can also PM me if any evidence surfaces either way.

True to style. Never answer the hard or technical questions with something above the level of a 5th grader.

If you change the bet to generic "will a LTC miner capable of running 250 kh/s on an 6990 be proven to exist by March 1st 2012?" and allow anyone (not just CoinHunter or mtrlt) to provide the proof, then it could be a bit more fun.

Sure, but since the bet is already created, my only suggestion to the moderator is to clarify how they will determine whether the conditions are met.

Will Solidcoinites take the challenge?

I really think someone should make a better ltc, sc, lqc, ioc, or ixc betting system.  betsofbitcoin does not seem a good way to make bets since the volume of bets are too low.  I live in government controlled USA so I can't do this.

1. What is the bet?
I bet Rick Santorum will win the republican nominee for president in 2012

2. What are the odds on the bet (3:1 for example)?
1:10

3. How much do you want to bet (10 LQC for example)?
100 BTC

4. When is the last date to accept the bet (07-21-2011 24:00 for example)?
02-21-2012 23:00

5. When will the bet be complete?
08-31-2012 12:00

Enter


I bet Rick Santorum will win the republican nominee for president in 2012, the odds are 1:10, I bet 100 BTC, the last date to accept is 02-21-2012 23:00, and the bet will be complete on 08-31-2012 12:00. Please enter 1000 BTC

Is this correct, the current charge to make a bet is 0.2 BTC?

yes-no

The bet is confirmed and open:

Bet ID #3011734. I bet Rick Santorum will win the republican nominee for president in 2012, the odds are 1:10, I bet 100 BTC, the last date to accept is 02-21-2012 23:00, and the bet will be complete on 08-31-2012 12:00. Please the first to enter 1000 BTC before the closing date.

See list of
(o)pen,(a)ctive,(c)omplete,(p)aid bets.








 

Yes. This is EXACTLY how we should be responding to dubious verifiable claims. Smart.

you still make more mining btc's with your gpu than ltc's so why would anyone bother wasting their gpu on ltc anyway?

They wouldn't but theoretically if this magic miner existed (and it likely doesn't) it will put a cap on profitability of cpu miners.

If payout is lower than Bitcoin nobody will GPU mine but if payout rises then miners will switch from Bitcoin to Litecoin exploding difficulty (and crushing revenue for CPU miners). 

I assume everyone who called this a scam will but picking up some easy money at http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=292

Right?   Or did you call someone a fraud and a scammer for something you're not even sure about to put a little coin behind?

lol

Some Newbie Thoughts
hi there I'm new here , been reading this forum for few weeks now.
I did not have a chance to mine btc myself due to lack of  hardware and cash to spend on it.
when I discovered LTc I thought it’s a good idea - CPU only - affordable for everyone, everyone can support this coin, open to the real  world not just to hardware freaks :P
But now I'm starting having big doubts ,if  Gpu mining is possible isn't against  LTC the whole idea behind it? Being silver? Being different?
If gpu mining is possible, LTc  becomes  nothing different then 4x amount of  btc
I’m not talking about prices here . I'm sure cpu miners  like me thought  that this coin may have future and is different than other Sh.. coins ,
that crypto currency can be supported by everyone not just by group of ppl knowing each other from this forum equipped with super hashing forces  .
But is it relay ?
If gpu mining is possible there is no need to use scrypt for it ?
Cpu mining will die soon , the  same people will harvest all of the coins again, currency will become limited to certain group again.
Difficulty will grow up rapidly , cpu mining become like solving 1000 captches / 20 cents , worthless
I don’t have big hashing power I barley mine 20 + coins a week not 0,000000blabla coin , but at least its look I’m doing something  and its giving me motivation for supporting  it not for making cash
Its makes me feel like I can be part of something important , part of fight about freedom we all want heh
why don't make it open to the world , and make real and useful  
I’m starting to believe that all that  freedom bullshitting is just the cover for people who want to make quick bucks and not to create something different free from governments taxes and all of that crap
There is no big future for crypto currency with current design ,there is always way around it , 4 hours of coding can change everything
Hashing power determinate progress of the coin and this is wrong ,current design makes crypto currency limited and it will never be used in different places then exchanges.
And it will always be limited to small group of people whom have super duper smoking mining rigs



 

Go buy an appropriate ATI card ... read a software miner thread ... wow you're now a hardware magician.

sure m8  if you denote me some free kwh :P

without proof this thread is a troll from Coinhunter. PERIOD.

So how much have you put in at betsofbitcoin?  Such certainty was surely matched by a large bet, no?

You'll make more BTC per kWh doing that than any CPU mining converted to BTC.

LTC was never Bitcoin's sliver.  Bitcoin is Bitcoin's silver.  Think about why multiple metals existed in coins and you will find the claim of Bitcoin needing a silver to be bogus.

The good news is that if this miner exists (which it likely doesn't) it doesn't really change anything.

my only thoughts about you are about you being a two-faced liar who needs others(read: artforz) to do your dirty work lol

Been here all the time you mofo, just not socializing with you.
Now I'm out. Before I catch your sewar rat smell...

Only twenty-two words and he managed to include three punctuation errors, one massive misspelling on his key concept, and completely misused the ellipsis.

Reads like RS/CH/Douchebag sock-puppetry to me.

And you read like a frustrated motherfucker.

Coinhunter can mostly form complete sentences. Psy is probably a discrete entity (albeit one with the writing skills of a third grader).

I am sure there is plenty of fisting involved in their relationship, just not of the sockpuppet variety.  ;D

well ive been talking too mlrt and i was skeptical at first but on squidnet ltc mining pool stats he has over 3mh/s mining their and he said his 6990 gets like 260kh/s mining ltc how ever it still more profitable to mine btc on a 6990

Only because the mother I have been fucking is yours. She doesn't satisfy anyone. Can I get my fifty cents back?

I hope GPU mining is not taking place ....

if so,  later litecoin.

and mining in general for me, until another CPU mined coin arises.

SolidCoin has a custom hashing algorithm designed to closely match modern consumer hardware, both CPU and GPU. Watt for watt they get similar performance on SolidCoin hashing. Litecoin on the other hand was put together by Artforz using "off the shelf" components which turned out to be a bad move (or good if you like GPU mining a chain). This being said until SolidCoin price is over $1 most people won't be able to make a profit mining it so something like Litecoin still has a place for anyone wanting to get BTC using their CPU unless a GPU miner becomes public.

As far as I'm aware in my last talks with mtrlt the litecoin GPU miner is only 10-20x faster than CPUs. Which is less compared to a GPU mining bitcoin 100x faster than a CPU. According to coinotron litecoin mining is 2.4x more profitable than mining SolidCoin which seems odd to me, given our recent economic changes made our cost of production over $1 and we are about 18x away from being profitable yet!

You can calculate it here, http://solidcoin.info/profit-calculator.html

That is coming out soon, but it doesn't have any network changes (v2.041 is compatible) , just a new default thin client for easy transfer of funds and a much faster and more reliable node software.



One reason why mtrlt is keeping it to "himself" at the moment is if he releases it and LTC difficulty goes up he makes less total litecoins per day. I think it goes to show with him getting nearly 4MH, or 10% Litecoin mining power himself that something is going on there, believe what you want. :) . I think you'll find that right now there are many SolidCoin supporters who don't want to see litecoin die as it gives them an opportunity to mine it with their CPUs and get more SolidCoins.

It's quite likely the "dark pool" everyone was talking about isn't actually a botnet, just 10-20 highend GPUs mining it hard. No proof on that claim, just my opinion.

From what I gather (assuming the GPU miner is legit), it performs better than CPU per watt by a small amount. In other words, it's 10-20x faster than CPUs but also uses almost 10-20x more electricity. So even if the miner is released, it won't kill CPU mining like what happened with bitcoins. And currently, it's much more profitable to use your GPUs to mine bitcoins instead of litecoins with the current prices.


So why would you assume that the unknown miners are GPU miners instead of a botnet? Wouldn't they be more profitable mining bitcoins instead?

Well using the data you have you may believe that, but what I'm looking at it's 5x more efficient watt for watt at least and it's still early stages. As to whether that means CPUs are still viable, not sure. I guess if GPU mining Bitcoin is more profitable most shouldn't use their GPU to mine LTC? The big issue I guess is the fact it means if most people are CPU mining it makes it incredibly easy to switch some GPUs to it and 51% the chain if they are 5x more efficient.


<speculation>Given the behaviour of the "dark pool" it's my belief it was mainly there for some kind of 51% protection and to accumulate most of the Litecoins so less could be dumped on the market. Helping not crash the price. So I'm guessing it was someone related to project development or serious in helping it out ala Artforz. </speculation>

BTW coblee, I paid mtrlt in SolidCoins to release a GPU miner for the public. Perhaps if you could do the same he would be more willing to release it?

Wow Coinhunter, you fail completely in prooving any of your accusations...

Alright.. Let me say that Coinhunter and his trusted minions had a GPU miner with 3 times the speed of Reaper today right at the start and were the "dick".

No... i do believe despite your own...limitedness of creativity.. you have people among your ranks who are creative enogh to think of such a plot..
So either the darkpool IS a botnet, or your guys have a superior miner they use for their own good (and not really helping SC..) or worst you are just making up a story to throw mud on a project that is threatening your petty copy&paste(+removing licences etc) project...

Have you ever done a "source diff" on SolidCoin and Bitcoin? Thousands of changes. Litecoin on the other hand even keeps the name "bitcoin" in many places because it makes pulling in patches "easier" for coblee and the others. You'd be lucky to find a 100 source differences in litecoin over bitcoin. SolidCoin has the best developers and smartest supporters, it is why we are outpacing Bitcoin development. Litecoin isn't a competitor to SolidCoin in my mind, we only have one and that is Bitcoin.

Artforz has publicly admitted to having a GPU miner of scrypt/Litecoin for many months. He has just said it was "Slow". So we can either believe his GPU miner of a hash he introduced was or is slow or the guy that managed to reverse engineer SolidCoin hash from a beta and make a GPU miner is indeed lying to us. You believe the former I'm guessing? The mystical artforz made an ultra slow (about 50x slower than mtrlt's) Litecoin miner? I doubt we will ever know the truth but if people want to believe artforz then that's up to them.

If it wasn't for talented people like mtrlt writing their own code to test such theories many people would still be saying Litecoin is a CPU coin, as would artforz who was doing that just a week ago on btc-e chat.

Having to release an entirely new version of cryptocurrency in order to apply changes to the protocol, releasing mandatory updates and changing the protocol every few weeks because you have absolutely no idea what you are doing doesn't mean you are a good coder, let alone a great one.

Also, what is with your obsession with Artforz? Your hashing algorithm has a direct personal attack against him and most, if not all of your baseless accusations involve him.

You do know change is part of improving something right? Unlike Bitcoin we don't want to support a protocol developed in 2009 when we have more knowledge on how a true p2p currency should work. People liking the fact Bitcoin will never change is fine, they can stick with Bitcoin. :)

And in regards to artforz it's just because he is wired that way. First with the spam attack on SolidCoin v1, then trying to preempt SolidCoin 2 with a fake CPU coin (tenebrix) because I said we would be moving to a CPU algorithm, then with the GPU SC miner he only used himself and with friends before mtrlt released his. The list goes on, this guy is involved in many "behind the back" dealings that we know of. Only he could tell you the stuff we don't know about, but the things we do know are pretty damning, in my opinion.

Of course on this forum you'll get people thinking he is a "legend" for attacking the "evil SolidCoin" and they're blind to everything else. So what can you do.

The sad thing is that Coinhunter still thinks anyone gives a shit about his ... puh .. "illness". Nothing else would explain the paranoia he build up arround Artforz.

And Coinhunter there are many reasons why people here would rather believe Artforz than you. Just to bring up the most important reasons:
- He doesnt suffer from delusions of grandeur
- He is honest
- He doesnt, like you, steal code and infringe copyright (etc) and is therefore more trustable than a potential criminal

Shall we go on?

I think THAT goes without saying...

I calculated it out and as soon as SC2 increases in value 125 fold, I'm set to make some killer profits!

DAMM that's epic :)

Sorry but your use of that word made me think of this:
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic

Now thats an epic page!

 I'm having trouble reconciling this statement with... what ? You're on the 3rd major protocol-breaking rev of SolidCoin now since 2011 ?

LOL that page is epic fail :)
"You must use the word the way I tell you to"

Yes 3 major changes I guess you could say, and there have been more "minor" ones which were put in other versions. We aren't afraid to introduce protocol breaking changes. When SC1 was first released it was very much like Bitcoin with only some simple things changed around and new interface features.

It's like anything, once you start getting experience with the codebase and also the "economy" you start to realize the failings and work to improve them. That is what we will continue to do. Obviously some people don't like this, but no one is forcing them to use SolidCoin so I don't really get what their problem is. Fear perhaps.

In regards to how a true currency should operate I think mining costs should be somewhat relevant to the final profit, and that it shouldn't differ too greatly so that price can be stable. When talking to businesses about accepting SolidCoins they wanted some features in and this is what we are working towards. Being able to deliver stable prices and prices which have some relevance to the everyday people (ie 20-30 SC to buy some software instead of 351SC today, 290SC tomorrow, etc).

No that's a major benefit and is one reason why SolidCoin is outpacing Bitcoin development. You can choose not to participate in SolidCoin , no one is forcing you, you know how our development model works currently. Don't like it, don't buy or mine SolidCoins.


sp0tter was banned because he was trolling and posting a lot of off topic stuff. He also isn't banned anymore.


The trusted nodes make it easier to implement changes currently, but that won't be the case always. This being said we won't need to keep implementing so many changes once we have a "very good working solution". There are still some things in the pipeline we want to optimize that will require further breaking changes. But this is only so we can scale to high levels of transactions on typical PC hardware.

We likely aren't going to extend SolidCoin outside of being a transaction based carrier, and let people build other stuff on top of that network. This way it's easier for us to concentrate on what needs improving and other people can solve things using that simplicity.

No, improvements are part of improving something, you fucking twat.

+1 billion dollars (raises pinky)  ;D

Uh I think you mean the hash code right? The genesis block only contains a short sentence about the US recession. Just point them to the hash code in util.cpp as that contains the funny facts about artforz. Or point out the numerous source code comments containing swears!

I think we should be afraid of your secret weapon, because your past "Secret weapons" which were meant to destroy SC all failed. What's this your like 5th attempt at failing again? Didn't you say you had 5 million SolidCoins at one stage (when there was only 2 million available) ? Haha. Time to go dump the imaginary 5 million coins to crash the price eh, it's just doing too well at the moment.

Must really grind your goat to see us doing so well. Every post of yours talking about SolidCoin is like another gold coin in my pocket. Keep it coming!

Any plans for multisignature transactions, or will that be handled externally? Gavin had to shut down his escrow service when it conflicted with the plan for Bitcoin.

We're dropping the crappy "Script" engine we inherited from Bitcoin very soon. And that will handle multisig (and everything else) in a much faster and neater fashion. Personally I don't see that much excitement around multisig but some of the other developers think it is a must have.

These last few weeks have clearly demonstrated that forum moderation and cultivation of this community, and Bitcoin, are not priorities for the moderators.

It really has become disheartening how this place is turning to shit while management sits in their ivory towers and hides behind the cowardly shield of "we won't censor".

These are "the official" Bitcoin forums, and I'm calling out management on doing a fucking pathetic job.

Theymos needs to step down.

Except the gold coins in his pocket are the imaginary chocolate ones.

ShortBusCoin is like a box of chocolates, when exposed to light and heat, it melts.

Run Forrest, run.

OMFG Smoothie out of nowhere!  Where have you been?

Soon to be 4th.

Begs the question, if he has more knowledge of how a true p2p currency should work, why has it taken him 4 protocol revs so far, and he still hasn't gotten it right ?

If you're willing to swallow the pill of centralized control, then are protocol-breaking changes really a problem? You shouldn't have to worry about being on the wrong side of a fork if your client gets its confirmation from a trusted source instead of its own calculations.

No you don't.  The client DISTRUSTS every node it meets on the network.  That is why it downloads a complete copy of the blockchain to ensure it can trace every transaction back to an origination block.

Every communication, transaction, node list, or block the client receives is verified before acting upon.  Each node will refuse to forward information it considers invalid.  The node strives to get large number of geo-diverse nodes to connect with to ensure it has clear access to the network at large.


TL/DR:
You aren't just wrong you are 180 deg wrong.
The Bitcoin client treats every other node as potentially hostile and looks at all data received from the network with distrust.

Well my node has 287 connections right now (and for unrelated purposes I have a instance of bitcoind running on amazon EC 2000 miles away) so it is unlikely (although not impossible).  Still even if isolated my node will still treat EVERYTHING as untrusted until verified internally which is why your claim is full of shit.

So it isn't possible for poison node to provide fake proof of a transaction, or provide fake blocks.  The poison nodes (if they have 100% control of information to my node) could prevent me from seeing information but that is about it.  Even in a rare instance of information blackout the fact that the client/node DOESN'T trust anything it gets from the network limits the scope of any attacks that poison node could make.

Please see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64239.0

I wasted some time to read this topic from beginning, so... There is the miner?  ;D

None that was ever released... mtrlt claims to have one.. buuuut...

But the graph in http://pool-x.eu/net says 67.2 % litecoin mined by unknown

http://i43.tinypic.com/5nujjd.jpg

51% attack going on  ???????????

The total network speed is probably computed using the "getnetworkhashps" RPC call, which can be very inaccurate after difficulty retargets, even when the difficulty doesn't change significantly.

In addition, the 15 MH/s miner that made an appearance at litecoinpool.org a few days ago has now (quite rightly) switched to solo mining. By the way, I have talked with this miner, and I am now pretty sure that this is neither a botnet nor a GPU farm.

I have been running "a few" computers from a few labs on Litecoin getting several hundred KH and was mining solo... if enough people do that you get a large unknown without large botnets or GPU miners..

I think, that you misunderstood me. :) I mean that this topic is associated with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SboyoievYU

 ;D

Bet is still open (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=292), yet there is bias for mtrlt having the miner. Is the source posted yet?

If anything about mrlt's code is true to the SC norm, it will be released late; it will be glamorously called open source, but won't be open; and will be nothing but a rework of somebody else's work.

Once I read the CH's messages about thousands of modifications in solidcoin, and this project very interested me. I've downloaded the source code and a well-studied it. What should I say ... Yes, It's true. There are thousands of meaningless changes, and the creation of work visibility. Applause. ::)

Goes to show where the best developers are... working at SolidCoin.

http://solidcoin.info/reaper.html

"GPU resistant" . Nice work artforz and coblee, fooled your few fans for some months. Reaper gets 200KH/s on a 5830 . artfoz and coblee went around telling people gpu mining was impossible because they only got 9KH/s on a 6870.... believable with hindsight?

Yeah that's why usually no one has heard of them.
So who are these "best developers"
Seriously I had heard of NONE of them until this thread was posted about someone referred to as "mtrlt"

As for running a windows executable written by some solidcoin unknown with no source code released - I'll wait until someone else tries that
(I wouldn't want to infect my kids computer ... ... I use linux)

Though I will add yet again - I was the first to suggest that GPU should be able to handle scrypt with the small settings used.

And lastly - yeah that amazing new word you've never heard of - "decompiler" - come on man - upgrade to at least ... the 90's :)
Why not just release the source.
If someone actually did give a shit about the program existing they'd just decompile it anyway.
Or is the source just do fucking crappy that it's best hidden away?
Hell I don't write the best looking code in the world, but it certainly isn't so shitty that I'm scared to let others see any of it.
... and why does the executable have the text "bitcoin" in it?

And ... why is it doing something that cgminer does and no other miner does in the CL compiling code ... ... ... ... ...

And I hope that "Copyright (c) 1992-2004 by P.J. Plauger, licensed by Dinkumware, Ltd. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED."
wasn't pirated and you have the rights to distribute it ...

... and since I know little about windows specific code, why does it try to get administrator privileges?

Doesn't work:

Kernel build not successful: -46
2012-02-29 14:53:44 Error: Error creating OpenCL kernel

I believe the demo will only work on 5800 and 6900 series cards. Maybe others will work. mtrlt needs to release the opencl source instead of binaries to get most cards working good.

I think someone has now managed to get 250KH/s on a 5830 overclocked.

Where is the evidence?

Download and see for yourself, or ask someone with one of those cards to verify. Why do you want screenshots when you can get actual results at pools right now?

somebody mentioned chocolate gold coins those are my favorite. 

Shut the fuck up you son of a bitch. Did it ever cross your fucking mind that not everyone is as arrogant and as greedy as you? Just because Artforz or cobble have calculated it was unprofitable (never said impossible..) to GPU mine scrypt doesnt make them liars, does it?
If he decided its not worth it based on his previous calculations i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt give it a second thought.. you on the other hand seem to be working on it for months.. no wait, not you.. just yet another of your puppets.. you can claim of course the results _again_ for yourself.

Now please do as all a favor and put that diarrhea that you normally call "Ideas, benefits to human kind...etc" where it belongs and no longer into these forums..

Touch a nerve did I? So you believe artforz, a guy who has attacked other chains in the past and kept his bitcoin gpu miner to himself for some time is all of a sudden "reliable" ? Yeah, you seem intelligent.

A guy that withheld a gpu miner in the past then goes to design a new coin (tenebrix which is what Litecoin is based on), then told people it wasn't GPU mineable when in fact it was..... yeah... believable.. that is, if you're a teenager living in your moms basement getting upset at "arrogant" people on the internetz.


Yes the evil SolidCoin crew, releasing things to the public for free. Oh the travesty of it all! If only we could be like you.. doing nothing, hiding GPU Miners from the public whilst you scam them out of Bitcoins.

Quite a while ago already.. your constant... well... just reading you here gets on my nerves already..
I just wishe'd i would know which COinhunter is speaking this time...

Yes.

Touched a nerve, did he?

Yes. Mining is a competition and he won it. You could say the same about the Reaper miner.. but you cant claim Artforz had some gpu miner if you dont have any evidence.. see the difference?


Mate, you dont know me, so dont pass judgement...

So.. how long did it take your slaves to create that miner? When did Litecoin start? Yes, a few months? Really? Now that sounds profitable to spend months on such a tool... I think Artforz knew what he was saying back then.. and even if it was not correct (i still havent seen proof and wont open something pre compiled from the "evil sc crew") it doesnt mean he lied. I still wonder about YOUR intelligence.. you still seem not to understand the difference..

And for the first time it was not just copied (i suppose), congratulations. If it now was open source everyone would be happy.

Now i am part of this show as well? Or do you mean all Bitcoining people here? Anyway, please make any proof first that there IS a GPU miner for LTC that Artforz and cobblee use, THEN please accuse them doing that. Just claiming there is a miner that was created after months by one of your puppets is no proof for one developed by artforz whatsoever.. but i guess you will fail yet again on understanding this simple thought.

Has anyone been able to confirm the claim? My rigs are in a different continent and I can't install Windows on them right now.

Some people used it already, it gives 360 kh/s on 6970 stock settings.
well the comunication part isn't well coded it gets a lot of stales aswell but it works.

Took mtrlt about 4 hours for the first build which got about 250KH on a 6990. A few more days and it was near a MH. So months no.... he just didn't want to release it after it was announced because of the teenagers and trolls like yourself that said he was lying and insulted him in other ways.

This culture of continually belittling others and denigrating people just because you don't agree with something is quite a horrible character trait you have, you likely aren't very popular at all in the real world if you act like this after someone does something for FREE. He offers the community something that he spent time doing and the best you can muster up is "Shut the fuck up". I know you must be only a teenager and lack life experience but you have a horrible personality.


I'm claiming it because it seems obvious to me. If I had proof I doubt you would believe me, just like with this miner. Either way , believe what you want, you obviously are a bitter and illogical person. If only you had any talent, maybe someone could later criticize something you do for others for free.

LOL, quoted for posterity. Old BitcoinExpress with his never knowing what is going on and the telling of porkies.... ah :)

http://i.imgspc.com/yG5yE.jpg

Well i don't like Solidcoin's politic and i'm sure not "pupie" or supporter of it, we just tested thing from this link :

Yeah... the logic of this statement just strikes me.. If people insult me for not having proof for my claims i simply keep every everidence for myself...



I dont agree with you... but i dont belittle you because of it. I just say that i dont trust the word of Coinhunter (whichever it is today) due to the fact that coinhunter needs multiple personas handling the nick AND already (the real Solidcoin creator..) has a history of spreading false information. Not to mention the episode of removing copyright from files..

In real world noone offers anything for free.. there is always a catch to it... anyway, as you dont know me in RL i would ask you not to draw such conclusions. Might answer the other way arround: Someone telling lies and claiming other peoples work for himself (proven) cannot be very popular either.. he might even be called a criminal under certain circumstances.

I havent so far seen any proof of that it is working besides some binaries i wont open. A source code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code) would be something to base a new opinion on. So far i can only hardly say its better than what i linked a few pages back.

If i hadnt said "son of a bitch" i could now complain about your habit to go low when arguments run out. Wish i hadnt said it before so i wont complain about that horrible character trait of yours.

See the discussions about the "Dick" botnet. It was obvious to a lot of persons (including me) that you were running a botnet still you denied all relations to it to the day (luckily some botnet herder was less denying than you..)

Bring up some proof and i am pretty sure that if it is legit i can believe you. I think you havent yet understand the difference between those believers (on both sides) and people who THINK about what they say before they say it. Your puppets will agree to everything you say, some BTC puppets will always stand on the opposing side.. but once you show me a working miner, plus the sourcecode i will believe you (about the miner). The part about Artforz having one is a whole different story - but with proof i will believe you also this.. but as there is no evidence but only some claims that beautifully fit your personality of just throwing some shit, phrases and accusations on people i wont believe you anything.


Bitter? Maybe when it comes to Solidcoin... Illogical? Nah... I dont think so. DId i already meantion you have a terrible habit of getting personal and low when you run out of arguments?

Terrible dejavu... something about character traits, getting low, arguments.. you know what i mean, dont you?

Yeah, please do so. Critics are a good way to improve stuff. I would suggest you have a look at virtualminer.eu for a start. Thats the current BTC project i am doing besides one that is not yet ready for release. So feel free to visit the page and play arround a bit to start critizising it (then again in its own thread please).

Coblee said it's GPU hostilie, well it is but not that much ... he said aswell he believes mrlt could have it as he talked to him.
Why do you say he was lying?

10% as much ltc as i could get by mining btc and buying ltc

this is still 90% gpu-hostile

also, LOL at the panic sell because of this, silly people, this is not going to do anything, no one is going to waste electricity gpu mining ltc (well some will, i mean SC has a couple of miners, silly)

so yeah, go back to your lives people

Mining LTC on GPU needs more power aswell, it's memory intensive and meomry can't be downclocked aswell...
So it is still hostile :)

So, we finally get to the root of the issue.
Coinhunter thinks there might be a GPU miner, but has no proof.

... well we do have the (worthless) gpu miner

...and the Cobbleforz miner must be like 50x faster to what Coinhunter (whichever) claims to be profitable... wonderful evidence..

*edit* isnt that more or less what Artforz said? GPU mining IS possible (how could it not be) but absolutely not profitable?

I don't agree it's 100 times MORE profitable as mine Solidcoin with any hardware *lol*

Don't know what you guys are arguing about, but the proof is here. Run it for yourselves, or check out the video someone posted to youtube.

http://solidcoin.info/reaper.html

http://youtu.be/C7jv4uJt-CY

Currently we are discussing numbers ,0)

And i still dont see how a non-profitable Miner should be evidence for artforz and cobblee gpu mingin scrypt coins for months..

indeed, i agree

im doing 200kh/s on a stock 5830  ;D

At current difficulty that's about .167 BTC worth of Litecoins per day.  Or you could just mine .25 BTC with the same card.

You clearly don't know. The miner you linked was not developed by Artforz and Coblee.
Or are you claiming it was? Did mtrlt steal the code from somewhere?

Coinhunter said Artforz and Coblee were using an efficient GPU miner on LTC, but has no proof of this.

Also, I see you guys are conflating speed with efficiency. Did you measure the wattage used to mine with Reaper? If so, where are the numbers?

Well i wouldn't be so agressive, it's nice mrlt was able to create it. big five
It's unusable atm. cause LTC price is so low, but he did good work. :)

http://i40.tinypic.com/2vju9a1.jpg

On 5870 with default clock & memory

Remember, mtrlt released to the public the *demo* version, aka slow version. This version was just to prove Scrypt is more efficient on a gpu than it is on a cpu.

Using dishwara's numbers from that screenshot (219kh/s), and an estimated 5870 power consumption of 188w, that makes for 1.16kh/w.
Using data from the litecoin wiki it seems a top of the line cpu gets 25kh/s at 125w, that makes for 0.2kh/w.
Being generous, and assuming the litecoin wiki is out of date, and using poolers latest miner, lets just give the cpu 50kh/s at the same 125w, that is still only 0.4kh/w.

Scrypt is *not* gpu unfriendly.

BTW, the current private version of Reaper is getting over 2kh/w when mining scrypt.

Nothing to remember.
Where is this "faster" version that people are supposed to remember?
Yeah you SC guys love saying "there's a special version that no one has access to that is 5 times better than anyone else's version"

Why is it that EVERY SC moron thinks that everyone should believe completely unproven comments they make about things being so much better than the current version?
Sure if there is one - bring it out and show it and people may believe (though anyone on this planet would be a fool to run a windows SC binary that also includes text like "bitcoin" in it ... who knows what it does ...)

You just seem like a pure butt slurping brown nosed moron - does CH enjoy you doing that?

Seriously: reality or piss off.

Cant argue with numbers i havent seen myself.. but honestly Ahimoth, as one of the few not so hard headed followers of solidcoin i wonder how you can throw arround some numbers without some proof? Everyone here just hears about that super fast mtrlt miner which might of course exist, but noone has seen it. Also still i want, no i demand, to know what that miner should have to do with coblee or artforz?

So far it was just shown what was said months ago: Scrypt is not profitably minable with GPUs. Not to mention the accusation that those two were using GPU miners all along...

QFT :)

I'd like to see some wattage from the wall numbers paired with the various miners results, along with versions of drivers & miners.

The WAGS being tossed about here suggest somewhere between a 100% - 400% gain for using scrypt on GPU over CPU.

Here is another WAG:
A 5870 boasts 2,720 GFLOPS (and I don't know how many integer calcs/sec)
According to export classification docs @ http://download.intel.com/support/processors/corei7ee/sb/core_i7-900_d_x.pdf
A single core (if I am reading it right) of i7-990x can do 90Gflops. So 4 cores could do 360Gflops for 60% of the power consumption of a 5870.
So FLOP for FLOP a 5870 is about 3-4 times as efficient with FLOPS as a i7-990x system. That dovetails nicely with the reaper miner claims of 3-4 times as efficient on GPU.

Now AFAIK scrypt uses only integer calcs, which means the preceding numbers are not very relevant. But it seems more like scrypt is neutral rather than hostile to one platform or the other. Also, when considering using the GPU for LTC, you need to compare LTC vs BTC mining profit potential. When using CPU, you need only consider doing LTC mining with it since GPU mining for BTC is completely pointless.

I still see no evidence and certainly no proof that Artforz & Coblee created a super efficient miner for LTC.

from the conversation in irc mtrlt gets from 2 x 6990 1.54Mhash/s (with more shaders)
with no overclocking my 4 x 6950 are getting 1.197Mhash/s
so 0.343 difference over 4 gpu
with some overclocking I can reduce the gap - if I could be bothered....
slow version indeed :)

still not viable to mine litecoins on gpu - so yer I think that makes it pretty gpu unfriendly ;)

I have mined against my pool and am submitting valid shares :)

Now, that the truth has been apparently settled.  I still don't feel scammed at all for mining LTC.  If I were to start mining Solidcoin on the other hand I would.  (I don't feel scammed for mining SC 1.0, however.)

To me, this is all just a bunch of noise.  Lets just plan on changing the algorithm (or not).

just as a bit more confirmation it does work, i have found a block for lc.ozco.in on a gpu worker :)

+1. Couldn't have said it better.

Who wants to make Litecoin 2.0? =P

There's no need to reboot the whole thing. We could just change the algorithm starting from block N.

but i think this could split the chain and make one with "old clients" and one with "new" ?

Of course people will have to update their clients and miners, but if the transition is planned out carefully there should be no risk. Once the software chain knows about the switch, it can handle it automatically. There's support for this in the protocol.

EDIT: I think this discussion should move to the dedicated thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64239.0

Yes, this thread is pure bullshit FUD. I have never GPU mined Litecoin. If you have thoughts about what (if anything) we should change with Litecoin with respect to this GPU miner, please continue the discussion in the thread I started. Thanks.

Yep, time to close this nonsense thread.

Given that this thread was started by CoinHunter (who no longer claims to be the creator of SolidCoin, but just a normal troll), he's not going to lock this thread. And the mods probably don't care enough either. I guess the best thing is to stop replying to this thread.

The thread wasn't complete nonsense. I got an avatar out of it!
 ;D

different thread man.

You are right. So this thread is complete nonsense.

I think it is important to point out that "scrypt is not GPU resistant" is unproven.  The settings used in LiteCoin aren't the recommended defaults by the author.    It is possible LTC could regain "resistance" (as dubious as I personally think that is) by simply modifying 3 integer values in the source code.

The author of scrypt may be interested in this project however w/o source code I doubt he will share any insights.

Comparing GPU and CPU mining and the power required... Why is it that the power used in the computations are only the consumption of the GPU? GPU's can't do squat without a CPU. CPU can mine even with a crappy Intel IGP. When comparing power numbers, please use the wall usage numbers.

2 other people with the same avatars now?

son of a...

now i need to make sure i don't mistake someone elses post as mine.

No, coz unless your using a crappy GPU miner, the miner will hardly use any CPU - so the CPU is available for whatever else you want to do with it.
My linux box downclocks itself to 1.2Ghz (from 3.07GHz) and still uses only 2% of a single CPU to GPU mine BTC (2x6950)
Thus yes if you are wasting that CPU and doing nothing with it - you are ... wasting that CPU and doing nothing with it.
The discussion here, however, is about LTC and if you are silly enough to waste electricity on LTC GPU mining, then you would most probably also be LTC CPU mining ...

Fixed that shit for you.

Look for the word "HOP" :)

pretty much what i'm doing.


or just read the username.

Not only this, but, unlike mining btc, high voltage is required to the onboard ram on the gpu as hashing speed for ltc is both ram and gpu dependent. So, ltc mining will always have added power draw as compared to btc mining where the memory can be underclocked.  Further, a 95w sandy bridge cpu can easily do 30kh/s undervolted to 75w or 35kh/s stock.. Undervolted 1055ts can do about 32kh/s at 80w. This is all done  without maximizing the thermal limits of the hardware like with this new gpu miner, too.

Actually that would be a request, with an unnecessary qualifying statement, as opposed to an argument vis a vis the preceding statement. If you had wanted to express a rebuttal argument, you might have used something like "Your statement is egregiously fallacious, my argument was more in the form of an oblique ad hominem attack, and if you were able to find my dick, I would encourage you to perform fellatio on it." Please, do try try to show some effort here, just being a vacuous simpleton is so ShortBusCoin.

Regrettably, or so your mother mentioned the other day, herpes is not caught "down there", it is a pervasive infection that will stay with you for your entire life and can only be addressed symptomatically, rather than being cured. It is always there, lying in wait for stress, physical exhaustion, or open sores from friction against mucous membranes.

Stress could be brought on from rising to defend your bitchmaster RS/CH/Douchebag too frequently, physical exhaustion from having to sound out the big words in others posts before crafting another of your juvenile retorts, and the friction rubs... well we can leave that to your imagination, but be sure to ask RS/CH/Douchebag for a reach around at the next ShortBusCoin programmers and other really intelligent peoples meeting.

mods, can we have a plugin for a "like" button here?

Yes need like button! 

That's some serious "you completely and utterly pwned him".

+1

That's what she said!

Awesome.

Do you think he understands the sublime truth behind your post?

Who? This she?

http://image.bayimg.com/jamkmaadl.jpg

I can understand why LoupGayroux fell in love with you... NOT!

Yeah... that was the best you can muster?

Here's a good question... why isn't mrlrt releasing the source code for the miner?  What's he waiting on?

really dude?

that's all you can do?
man, you suck. i was expecting some reply worth reading.

we're talking about solidcoin related shit.

it won't be released until couple of years.

3/10

aww,

look at this poor little baby.

no, we don't really need him to reply, but he does provide a good entertainment, especially when handling little shits like you.

Psy is the Trig of the Soiledcoin sockpuppets.

At least I'm not a frustrated 41 year old single guy who lives in his moms' basement playing computer games all day. Go suck bitchcoinexpress' dick.
 
No, I won't let you suck mine!

First of all, why would I be frustrated? SoiledCoin is dead. Nobody is mining it. Nobody is trading it. Pretty much everybody on these forums (except you) knows that you backed the wrong horse. We are celebrating by dancing on the corpse of SoiledCoin.

Second, you are worse @ doxxing than you are at picking altcoins. I am the easiest person in the world to find. My wedding is online, I am not 41, and I own my own house. I do play games, but I do so at night.

I think Loup already covered why nobody here wants to have any sort of contact with your penis.

You married your mom? How sweet is that?!?!  ::)

1/10

k9queers definition of corpse is something with increasing price. One could relate that to his buying of wives, each one is more expensive than the last and as soon as they get the greencard they leave him.  ;D

Coinhunter with the desperation attack!
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8988/desperatettackyd2.jpg

P.S. you have to have people buying and selling Soiledcoin in order for it to have a price.

Both of these two sockpuppets are using juvenile homophobic taunts to make their point?

Really SockHunter? That's the way you are going to impress "major businesses" and drive acceptance for your vanity project? By acting like a twelve year old using naughty words? Go sit in the corner and think about it for an hour, you are a naughty, naughty little boy. If your mother knew who your father was, instead of potential suspects from her list of paying customers, she would surely be prepping him to give you a richly deserved set of ten across the backside young man.

Any you, little psy (rhymes with "cry") you have completely and inexorably fubared yet another attempt at taking a shot at your betters. You dim-witted oaf, the latter part of the contraction that is my handle here "Garoux" is a French word, and is pronounced "Gah-roo" with an exquisite Gallic snip at the end. Changing it into the very gauche "Gay" with a long "A" is trite and beneath even the lowered standards we have come to expect from you and the ShortBus FanBoy Circle Jerk. Cretin, puh-lease, step up your game if you ever want to have a chance to sit at the adult's table, or you will be forever consigned to the kiddie section with the other simple-minded wingnuts involved in SockHunter's little hero-worship love fest.

Really LoupGayroux, you think your naughty words are going to drive acceptance for your failed Bitcoin project? Everyone knows it's a scam. http://www.good.is/post/why-bitcoin-is-a-scam/


Just because you're 18 doesn't mean you're an adult. You kids just out of school like to think mining Bitcoin means you have a "real job" but you're not fooling your mother or father. They'll get off your case and you'll be less bitter if you just go down to MacDonalds and hand in your resume. Which I assume can be written on one of the napkins you keep around to wipe up that drool constantly emanating from your mouth. Ah-duhhhh.

so psy is also coinhunter?

ooo

way to reflect solidcoin's reputation.

Coinhunter is just mad that his Linode that hosts the private keys for the Soiledcoin tyrant nodes was broken into, but the thief didn't bother to take them.

After all, why steal something that is worthless?  ;D

Nah the guys at SolidCoin aren't dumb like your typical k9queer mail bride ordering user. :P Seriously though bitcoinexpress how did you manage so many puppets here, loupgaroux, k9queer, Starlightbreaker, bcx, to name some . Good work creating so many accounts. You've almost assembled the cast from Friends here, now just run around a park bench in front of a fountain and you can simulate that life you pretend to have.

Nightmares more likely.

Like you playing army dressups?

http://i.imgspc.com/dPJH4.jpg

Random.

From juvenile homophobic slander to juvenile asswipe limp-dick dox attempt in one evening?

Sometimes you just really want to shine, don't you SockHunter? Let's go back to Lesson #1 which we tried to show you in a spirit of gracious brotherhood and common decency... the reason your precious little vanity coin is such a complete and utter dismal failure is solely because of you and your exaggerated anger management issues. When all you can do is try to attack everything like a demented ferret in a rotting meat-pipe, nobody takes you, or your attacks seriously. Look at yourself fool- even the simplest remark made to you about your lies, your lack of programming ability, your delusional re-interpretation of copyright law, your arrogant and utterly lame excuses to cover up anything, and you go off like the morals on a crack whore. Essentially every other alt-coin has found an audience of adopters, speculators and even accumulators. Yours is a complete joke, even in comparison to the ones that were crafted as a literal joke. I take buttcoin more seriously than your little rowboat of fools, and most of the thinking world would agree with that. Just because you bluster, and throw out childish insults your coin is never going to be anything more than what we all know it to be right now:

A piss-poor derivative work, released clumsily and dishonestly, featuring copyright infringement, an incoherent strategy for value manipulation, a massive pre-mine, and centralization that would make a hard-core Fascist cum in his pants. And you continue to wrap in this mind-boggling "we are going to surpass bitcoin any minute now" silliness. You even paid people to pimp your shit, and it is still the pile of shyte that only draws flies and losers. You will never have any market penetration, you will never be able to truly spend any of your massive pre-mine and become a gazzillionaire, you will never be elected Pretty Princess, and your adoring FanBoys will never raise you up on their shoulders and parade your around the pitch after the game, because you are, and always will be, a loser.

If it helps you to try and deal with those self-image issues, you just go right ahead and mis-spell people's made up names, and try to challenge their sexuality. Real grown-ups don't give a flying fuck about what you have to say, and laugh at your immaturity.

Not gonna lie: LoupGaroux is sexy. If that makes me queer, then I don't wanna be straight!

LOL, well, tell the guys at SA to make sure they get the money up front, because you're some disabled guy living pension check to pension check. You've got about as much money to rub together as a bum in sanfran.

Anyone want to see what the ultra successful guy behind "lanie grace" was doing before that "ultra successful" blog?

http://web.archive.org/web/20080118235843/http://www.fmqinc.com/


Haha. SEO king there.

This sockpuppet is not Realsolid or ViperJBM. Neither of them would know what a bum in San Francisco looks like or what sort of wealth they might have access to.

Probably Psy.

You do realize don't you, that A) only tourists and utter assholes refer to The City as San Fran, and even those two groups know enough to separate the two words; and B) even the lowest "bum" who can afford to live in The City could buy and sell a quarter of a million Australians, and not even have to touch his trust funds, that would be pocket change.

And on the subject of enlightening the oh-so-fucking-ignorant... whatever BCX's financial circumstances are, and I would suspect that the demonstrations of access to the trinkets of genuine wealth (truckloads of very desirable EC2 instances, connections that would give a typical VC a hard-on, and a documented history of globe-trotting for fun...) have pretty much made minced asshat out of the pension check to pension check thing. Not to mention your serious and continuing need to refer to BCX as a guy. Just because all the females in your world are hirsute, and kick your ass in the testosterone per cubic liter contest, does not make the rest of the females in the world "guys". Seriously numbnuts... look it up. Be that super sleuthing doxxy kind of wonder-programmer that you claim to be- see if you can't validate a statement with a simple proof.

Or stay a mouthy little twat that even your friends laugh about.

Man I should be afraid of you because I just found this :-

http://i.imgspc.com/dzC2O.jpg

http://www.thejadegarden.com/index.php?area=players_v4&profile=3

Embarrassing!

dox me please?

Silly little boy. Making the text larger does not make your point any less ignorant. Nor does putting text on photos.

I found both you and loupgaroux at the same site.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29445

Wait, what? You actually just used the "Members" button up there^ and you think that is doxxing?

You braindead fuck.

LMAO.

no wonder, you are a moron.

Dude you were so broke in 2007 and 2008, you were trying to SEO pet horoscopes, car sales, filipino brides, the lot! Then you think posting entertainment news will get you visitors and your precious PPM and PPC! Haha.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070214084055/http://fmqinc.com/


And then the pet horoscopes you trialed, how was that? Was it good? Did you make some money?

Or what about the "Not John Chow" stuff? Funny.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090326104025/http://www.fmqinc.com/?

Yeah, I think no one believes you have more than 50BTC (a months pension?) let alone a 1000 :)

hold on.

make up your mind, is she lanie or daniel?
or you don't realize it might be an ad blog run by a couple of people?


hey BCX, you're a filipina now!  :o

If you had been paying attention, you would know that k9quaint is a public profile. I've been using it for 2 decades. More people know me by it than I can shake a stick at. Post all the pics of me you can find, each one is sexier than the last!

I don't run when the lights turn on, that is what you cockroaches do. I stand behind what I say when I say it. I am not an anonymous troll. I am the real deal.  ;D

P.S. I would still eat your face in Quake. ;)

it's psy.

easily recognized. you don't really have to put too much effort to know who's on this account.

He is spectacularly bad at doxxing. I almost feel sorry for him.

The only pic he could find of me was from PGL season 3 in 1998. I was old school back then even.

WTF. Why post a thread with stygian horror like that?
I can't unsee those pictures.  >:(

AFK taking a wire brush to my eyeballs.

might as well as get someone to pee on your eye to destroy it.

also, fuck your avatar. i had to double-take on older posts. D:

Haha as if I said that. Make up some more stories Danny.

post post post post post post!

man, them goons are among the people i won't mess with. they work way damn fast.

Popcorn.
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_438/12533739591HvE72.jpg
Eating it, I am.

. . .

i guess you got legit shit.
it's pretty much something you can't really make up.  :'(

Haha, stick to pet horoscopes and referral car sales online, you big player you.

oh.

change in response.

i think someone got it right.

Strange, I thought you paid some guys 1000BTC to do it? You're doing the dirty work now? Oh that's right, because you're poor due to lack of pet horoscope sales.

Why do you pretend to have like 600BTC here, 1000BTC there when you've got nothing? If you really had that much and "Disliked" solidcoin that much you could do a lot more damage manipulating the market. But you don't because you're some poor peon that failed at SEO. Haha. Awww me so sowwy mr disabled man living a lie... you buy you buy asian bride long timeeee.

uh oh, someone's entering panic mode.

just in case you don't know, the fun in manipulating a nonexistant market is different than the fun of doxxing people and scare the shit outta them.
y'know, crashing the market does seem like an interesting idea.

Donno, you're the disabled dude, tell me about your pain daniel son. Is being proven a liar about your cash status really getting to you? Why dont you start up the pet horoscope site again, maybe it will do better in 2012 with the whole Mayan thing. Come on dude, keep trying to make dem billz.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

ooohhh shiiiittt.
you know you hit the right spot when your opponent is uttering total nonsense after being attacked head-on.

dude, your breakdown from a badass wannabe to a incoherent moron was awesome.

ITT - CH/RS goes from maniacal megalomaniac to desperate despot

You should work on your English a bit more. Maybe if you weren't so desperate getting women from Thailand you could concentrate on your native tongue there. We speak English in America daniel son.

And if you cant argue with facts anymore you get either low (We've been here pages back) or critizise the language..

Really CH (whichever you are..) go to bed, take a nap and rethink your current position in this thread. You started it to make you look glamorous, beneficial and Artforz & Coblee look bad and conspiring against the normal people/miners.
Where are we now? You have made it clear that you are a damn asshole who started a doxxing contest with no real chance to win (as noone can win such a game... and honestly, i really dont like that kind of stuff) and now youre back in the deepest corner of your own living room hiding behind immature comments and threats...

Honestly mate, go to bed, sleep over it and THINK about it - maybe it IS time for you to resign from your so called position in Solidcoin and give up the believ that you alone are the newborn christ and beneficial to the human race. (In case CHs comment above is right i might add that youre absolutely not beneficial to the genepool. If that is right i am deeply sorry for that comment, but hey.. what comes arround goes arround.. wait.. doesnt make it sound better..)

and still didn't get you right, lol.

damn ms. K, you so mysterious.  ::)

It's Daniel-san, not son!
And Japanese use this honorific to show respect to the person they're talking to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics#San
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daniel-san
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087538/quotes

Aww another butthurt baby, coming from the kid that "lost it" yesterday. If you can't handle the fire get out of the kitchen. I'm here because there are still some logical people who are ignorant of SolidCoin and may want a real education on the better alternative to Bitcoin. The others like yourself that pop up to show their retarded opinions and "proven facts" need to be "Put down" with logic. If that fails you gotta hurt the trolls in the place it matters their internet E-go. If you don't want me to do that to you or the other morons just stop talking through the finger mouth.

I hate repeating myself, but dont you feel somewhat hypocrite when telling it was a bad style belitteling others yet doing the same thing yourself (or whoever was using your account.. i will continue jsut with "you")  - all the time?

What fire? What i see here is just a thread that went up in flames... And if you were able to understand my previous post you would have seen that i didnt try to raise the flames but to give you a hint: Take a nap and think before you keep posting. As said before.. you started the thread as to show that you are better than Artforz and Coblee and yes, you even got sort of support by the release of that scrypt GPU miner - if you hadnt used your "PR"-skills you might have even had a chance to make people accept your accusations.. but since you started a fight on multiple places at once the main idea of the thread is long discussed and doesnt matter anymore. If you hadnt lost track and went into this flame war frenzy, who knows.. you might haven scored a point... The way it went though you got to admit, that you dont look that good anymore. Entering a doxxing war is just the next stage of escalation. And as i said as well - i dont like this kind of thing just because i dont see a point in that. I hope noone here has such minority complexes that threatening him with his personal information might work..
And thats why i said: "Go to bed". This ws not meant to be yet another insult, it was meant to be an advice. Right now you act paniced, like sitting in the corner and just aiming at whatever weak point you think you see.. and thats not a good spot to be in.. dont you think?

Then you should just start acting like that: Logically and educating. Just shouting at everyone that Bitcoin is worse than Solidcoin wont work. You might have noticed that by now. Make a thread that really shows what Solidcoin might be about and proove it and maybe, just maybe, think about what you could change yourself to make Solidcoin more accepted here and you might find those "logical people ignorant of SolidCoin". From my biased POV i dont see people who will fall for that yet again, but well.. that would be some change..

Look at the quote above - start a logical discussion and not a flamewar and you might find people listening to you. Run arround with a big sign "The end is near!" and shout at everyone they should put up tinfoil hats plus buying your coin to survive the upcoming death of mankind wont really make people listen. Put up some logical statements of why Tinfoil Hats will help and what will cause the world to end and discuss that might be the better solution (And as some of the climate debates show DOES work).

See what i said about threats and aims for the weakest spot you think to see? Though i called you a SoB yesterday i just wanted to give you an advice: Take a nap and think about where you want to go with this thread.. and you will most likely see that there is no point following the current course.

Solidcoin is an alternative but not better than the Bitcoin. It's not even as good as PayPal or moneybookers. It's just shit. Advantages of Bitcoin is decentralization and security. You have made ​​all the advantages with centralization and with "Real King center of the Universe center"-Control to naught.
IT IS EVEN SO GOOD as PayPal, because there exists pay-units covered WITH NOTHING. And what was blazing here who's who or how much money someone has is irrelevant. What counts as IMPORTANT it's  knowledge and experience. And your actions shows that you are just lack of both knowledge and experience.

Better is subjective when used generally like that. If I said SolidCoin had better confirm times, no double spend capacity, etc, these are facts which are better than Bitcoin.


You are incorrect about it being centralized. If SolidCoin was centralized we would be able to reverse transactions, we cannot. SolidCoin has decentralized currency creation and runs on a decentralized peer-to-peer network with a public blockchain. What you think is "centralization" is entirely fabricated by idiots or your own imagination.


Again something else you don't know about SolidCoin. Each coin is now backed by ENERGY. Each coin takes a certain amount of electricity to produce and the algorithm in place ensures a fairly smooth ride with this going forward. I'm fine with people having opinions about something if they understand it, but you clearly are not educated on SolidCoin yet form opinions and then repeat mistruths about it. This is a bad personality trait.

It's understandable that some aspects of SolidCoin some people will not like, eg the CPF. And that's fine, don't use it or invest in it because you don't like the CPF. But it doesn't mean you have to start acting like an idiot and not educating yourself on the other aspects if you want to have an opinion on that too. Which is what happens here. Because some people don't like RealSolid, the CPF, me, competition, etc they get dumb and try to go personal or print lies.

What is sad is my behaviour, which is rather cocky or comes across as arrogance is what some notice when people like BCX that threaten to torture women with pictures of their dead children goes unnoticed like it's fine. Some sick, bitter, twisted people here that I take pleasure in leveling.

Can YOU doublespend with your TRUSTNODES ? YES and it costs almost nothing for you.
Can someone doublespend in Bitcoin-network ? YES but it costs MANY ressources you have to be faster as whole network.
Do i trust you ? NO! i don't trust anyone.
Do i trust that is HARD! to attack bitcoin for doublespend ... YES it's possible but it's damn hard and costy.
YES you can't reverse transaction, but it's not advantage it's even worser as PayPal, but you can doublespend or let no transaction pass trustnode, or make that this transaction do not pas the node. Can you ? yes. so it's Centralized.
It's not backed up by Energy, you don't need Network.
If i make night to day with a lot of projectors spending Gigawats of energy it deosn't make this light smthg worth. does it ?

Someone noticed the change of temper? Finally taken a nap i suppose.. or the person switched yet again.. being nice i'd say you just had finally listened to my words and caught a bit of sleep and found at least some rest. Your post read as if it was written by someone who thought, then wrote. Thanks for that.


Taken out of context, i know... but honestly.. thats what people think of ALL the time they read your stuff. The tone of your previous posts was a bit worse than most, but in general you read arrogant and cocky...

Thats why i said this doxxing stuff is nothing i like. Everyone has had bad times in live - digging those up for entertainment is nothing i would love to happen to anyone here. Like i said everyone here should be self confident enough to just laugh about threats to be exposed with real name and pics etc.. but bringing up such weaknesses is not fair...

How about returning defating you (or you defeating us..) with real arguments? Might be fairer and more competitive...

AND MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS CONVERSATION SERVES NO MORE PURPOSE!

In Bitcoin, you need 51% to double-spend, in Solidcoin, you need to be a trusted node. Threat vectors are different, but "double spend capacity" exists in both networks, so your claim is untrue. Confirmation times is a more complicated matter and since the mechanisms are different, it's not very straightforward to make a judgment about it.

To me, the whole idea of crypto-currencies revolve around the law of large numbers, and existence of a handful of trusted nodes is incompatible with this.

If you could assume that there could be trusted nodes in the first place, why would you develop a decentralized currency? There are better models if what you need is resilience. For instance, if you accept the viability of trusted nodes, why do you need a traceable currency? You could easily create an untraceable one, which would even allow off-line transactions. The blockchain is redundant and cumbersome if you assume that you could trust single nodes. Digital cash with distributed issuing nodes are much better, and there won't even be a "confirmation time" issue, everything would be instant!

(EDIT: CoinHunter, I once recommended you to issue certificates for trusted miners (maybe probably others did too, or you were already considering it, I don't know). That was just before you switched to a similar scheme. But that recommendation was a bit tongue-in-cheek. If you really have trusted issuers, you can leave the Bitcoin codebase and move to OpenTransactions. Your measure against double-spending problem will be unchanged, and confirmation time will become zero. You could exchange the issued coins for development as a means of initial distribution, and also award current solidcoin owners the exact amount they currently possess. I think this will be more profitable for you, and helpful to the crypto-currency community as a whole. If it works, you could provide services for Bitcoin as well.)

That part stood out.

Someone should email all these sites with CH quotes so they know who they're endorsing.
http://wiki.solidcoin.info/wiki/Category:Sites_Accepting_SolidCoin
Given that it's only 10 right now, maybe someone already has.

I dont think its worth doing that... of the pages i just checked none accepted Solidcoin, one accepted Bitcoins and pyrochem, for example, is down...
The only pages that seem to use Solidcoin are, surprise surprise, affiliated pages like Solidcoin24...

LOL so coinhunter is back to being realsolid now?

nah, it's just another person logging on the account, like always.

I confirm that CoinHunter sent this PM to BitcoinEXpress:

(I'm not taking any sides here and I haven't even read this thread -- I'm just confirming a PM on request.)

we do not question dear leader's word.
no.
not ever.

coinhunter must be telling the truth.

Coinhunter caught in a lie.
Big surprise.

These days CH is too busy double spending SoiledCoins with his tyrant nodes.

Since this sort of post is firstly, completely off topic and secondly about as low as you can get ... and CH has already degenerated into posting racist comments ...

Would someone lock this crap thread ...

Though I would point out some very interesting (but brief) reading at the end of the wikipedia article about treatment ... (though being a wiki article means it could be true or a total fabrication ...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batten_Disease

A small dark part of me wants pics. But afterwards, I know I will be sorry.

P.S. US 1 Italy 0

I not understand why people be involve with santorumcoin. Maybe like frothy taste of hivno and lube in mouth from premier realsolid ???

Haha, made that pretty obvious didn't he :D

Post his stuff BCX.  If he (or whoever) does indeed work at Quest Software (3 Prospect Hill Road, Camberwell), that'll be.... interesting to know.

still nothing?  :(

He probably got grounded from using the interwebz after his mum saw the nasty things he was writing. Or Quest, where he is employed as Janitor Third Class, discovered he was using the computers after hours for goatse self-gratification sessions, fired him and he can't afford another hour at the All Men's and Super Intelligent Programmers Rub and Tug Internet Cafe.

. . .

nuh uh.

not a single copy for us?

Crawl back under your rock. Obviously what's obvious is that you guys are stupid...

So now I'm not CoinHunter...

Your sheer stupidity amazes me. You can't even hold your opinions for a couple hours without contradicting yourself.

Epic stupidity is... hmmmm... STUPID?

Well you're both acting like dicks so it wasn't a huge bow to draw.

By the way, you just made a post without begging people to use your shitty failed site.  Might want to edit it and slip in some cross promotion.   Again.

STFU n00b. You are as stupid as BCX.  Should I assume you are both the same person?
Maybe you can put your brain to work when your done sucking BCX's dick. That, if you really have a brain, which I doubt after reading your last couple of posts.

Hur hur, I called him a n00b, complete with zeros!   Internet dork win!

Fuck off kid.

Not quite sure wtf you mean with this statement, but I'll take my "shitty failed site"(?) anytime over having nothing to show at all.

The only shitty fail here is your person. I still haven't seen anything, failed or successful, coming from you.

Wow, acting mature now, dont you?

Coin Hunter opened this thread saying Artforz & coblee gpu mining litecoins.

Now he proved that Litecoins can be mined with GPU.

Well, the real point of the OP was that Artforz and coblee were somehow doing something sneaky and mining LTC from the very beginning with GPU. That point HAS NOT been proven, or even attempted to be proven other than with a typical SockHunter load of nonsense and irrational abusive garbage from him and his scavenging pack of simpletons.

FUD does not truth make. No matter how loudly or frequently SockHunter has his tantrums.

Litecoins have always been able to be mined with GPUs, just not efficiently enough to make sense doing so.
A more efficient miner for LTC on GPU exists.
It is still better to mine BTC with GPUs and buy LTC if you want them AFAIK.
No evidence at all exists about Coblee & Artforz.

It will be very useful to me , if you give link.
Thanks.

It there is an entire thread on these forums devoted to GPU mining LTC.
The miner was also linked a few pages earlier in this thread.

What the.. an actual non troll post in this thread! :)

Yes we proved Litecoin could be gpu mined, and that Scrypt algorithm which Artforz placed into Tenebrix and was later copied into Litecoin is very favorable to GPUs. Now if people want to believe artforz, the guy who withheld his Bitcoin GPU miner from the world and has a dubious history is telling the truth about his "9KH/s GPU miner" then that is fine. We have no direct evidence that arforz and coblee were GPU mining from the start I just asked the question because those 2 have been spreading information that now turns out to be not true. I don't see coblee or artforz apologizing for misleading people instead they just defend themselves by "we didn't know". Like some sort of politician.

SolidCoin is the only coin where the creators care about its users and we are upfront about their goals and directions. It's weird that they are the ones to release a GPU miner for litecoin because the Litecoin creators couldn't care less about their own coin. We just didn't want others to get scammed more than they already have been which is why I created this thread warning people initially that GPU was possible and then finally getting mtrlt to release it.

The very first post in this thread was the biggest troll of all.

Proven your nonsense yet?  No?   Go away then.

Please!
That is a known fact to be a lie.

You did EXACTLY the same thing with GPU mining on SC2.

You expect people to be SO stupid, as your SC clergy and brethren are, to believe that lie?

The fact that you would use such a blantant lie to support your claims really does say a lot about if it is worth taking anything at all that you say as truth.

No, actually Artforz proved it could be done. He had a GPU miner weeks ago for LTC, and everyone who paid attention to that chain knew that it was possible to mine with a GPU.

Whether it is efficient to mine with a GPU is another question. You have done nothing to prove that.
Last time I checked (exchange rates may have moved) anyone who mines LTC instead of BTC with GPUs was missing out on money by doing so. If you want LTC, mine the BTC and exchange them for LTC.

As I understand it, it currently only makes sense to mine LTC with CPUs (preferably with free power).

How'd that Fedex delivery go down BCX?

I think RS & friends aren't releasing the source code now because they're afraid it'll make LTC mining more popular by offering an nVidia GPU minable currency not SC2... sigh.

There's another GPU miner coming soon, though.

He doesn't even have the money to catch a bus and deliver a package, much less use FedEx...
He only get's in the internet because his ex is paying it for him, the loser.

PS: You are also a loser. I'm still waiting to see which successful venture of yours you have to show us.

You can mine BTC with nVidia ...

And I can swim from California to China, but just like mining with nVidia, it is going to take an incredibly long time and end up as a remarkable waste of effort. Hmm, just like ShortBusCoin.

As is CPU mining anything, or GPU mining anything but BTC ...

What did u send?

How would she respond to you? Phone? Email?

You're in good company then.  Neither of us have a successful venture :)  The difference, of course, is that I haven't tried ;)

Oh come on, and just tell everybody you sent a dead fish.

As a complete aside... this is also a really fun payback for a bank that you have issues with... rent a safe deposit box for a month, deposit a nice frozen fish in your box, in three weeks sit back and wait for the hazmat team to show to figure out the smell.

Nice Touch!  ;)

Didn't you have cancer a few years ago?

He meant: Aren't you a cancer since a few years ago?

Golly, that sure ups the old impression of just how mature you are psy old sport. Could you not throw in a couple of neener neeners to really make yourself sound like a complete 6 year old little crybaby?

+1 for neener neener

Nah, my friend, that spot, unfortunately, is already yours. No way I could steal it from you... ::)

LoupGaroux, I should probably inform you that Psy is rubber, and you are glue. That which bounces off him will only stick to you. You can't win.

Cancer survivors better LOOK OUT! Psy is on the prowl and doesn't need your shit!

He doesn't need our shit because he is OUR shit. LOL

Ah well, sticks and stones may break my bones...

...and the time I tried and failed a 65' vertical drop at Montana Crans, that broke two bone, one of them in 8 places; two cheek bones while totaling a Harley Davidson in Nova Scotia (it's okay, it was a crappy AMF one!); the pre-airbag side impact crash in Bozeman broke a wrist; broke two bones in my foot missing a step and sliding on a dog toy; having 45,000 lbs. of flat steel dropped on the car I was driving pretty well destroyed every bone in my right shoulder; and two cracked ribs avoiding arrest during an interesting protest with Autonomie Operaio by going through a storefront and landing badly...

... but words, dear sweet, sweet, child psy, will never hurt me.

Unless those words are something on the order of "duck, there is a whacking great mallet flying at your head" and I fail to react in time, but I wouldn't blame the words, theirs would be merely an unheeded warning not a causal effect in the conjunction between head and aforementioned flying mallet.

Silly little boy, don't come to a battle of wits so woefully unarmed and ill-prepared. You will only end up embarrassing yourself in front of your betters.

Yet again.

No his kid did, and then it died. He sent this to realsolid a few months back.

In case you don't know, bitcoinexpress is a twice divorced loser named Daniel Maddox that has no money and has some sort of disability that we haven't been able to find out about yet. His ex wife, Lanie Grace, a bride brought from Thailand, dumped him soon after they had a kid together and she got a greencard.

He is broke, he is bitter. He spends his life on the internet playing games, posting/lying on forums and things like this, that's why it's so important to him.

He couldn't afford a US stamp let alone a Fedex.

Did I hurt your feelings, liitle man?
I'm flattered with all the time you spend replying to me. It only shows how important I am to your insignificant little self.
If you were as smart as you pretend to look like you would've noticed that I just don't give a rats ass about you or what you think. I just tell you to "Go fuck yourself" and get done with it.
Like now: Go fuck yourself!

No. Assuming the word "liitle" is actually the English word "little".
Don't be. It wasn't meant to flatter you at all. You aren't.
Your fascination with rodent anatomy aside, your thoughts on any subject are unimportant and have no bearing on anything.
While the hemaphroditical geometry provides a moment of convoluted consideration, all of my fucking needs are quite well taken care of without any suggestions from you. Or your mom.

CH even if you are right about BCX, BCX will always be a cooler cat than you. You're such a donk lol and everyone in this community except your sock puppets will agree with me.

Mods: Close this thread already.

Watching Soiledcoin die is more awkward than watching Trinity die in the 3rd Matrix.

Crap- Spoiler Alert!

Nonsense! There is only one Matrix.

+1000btc

Of course they won't as they're just scared, little boys.

RealClose.


We will place 100000 BTC in a mutually acceptable escrow just as soon as you do and we will prove CoinHunter is only one person. Time to put up or shutup BCX, bitchlemon.

Check out his own admission. He says "we" yet CH is "one" person.

Someone has multiple personality disorder. LOL

QFT

Do it, once you have the 100000 in escrow with Gavin we will send another 100000 and then we will prove Coinhunter is only one person. Easy money.

Time to put up or shutup Danniel Maddox Lanie Dalani Brianna Grace california mountainview BCX bitcoinexpress.

Or are you just going to run and hide like the little girl you pretend to be? You keep dodging.

Typical Danniel Maddox response. When given an opportunity to prove himself he just backs off and changes the subject! Put up the 100K btc big player.

BCX: You'd be better off hiring a team of security professionals to find out all the security holes in SC2 with that kind of money...

In case you don't know, Danniel Maddox is a disabled person in his "late 40s" receiving welfare. He couldn't afford a new bride, let alone hiring anyone to do something. Half of the SolidCoin team work in security fields, so it's quite laughable your implication other security professionals will find something.

So are you going to escrow the 100k btc?

Ignoring all the other stupidity that's been going on in this thread for a long while ...

The stupidity in this item is that it's easy for BCX to prove who he is but it's also impossible to prove that CH is more than one person.

Anyone with half a brain reading CH's posts can see that either he is multiple people or he has Schizophrenia.

But it's not hard to get 3 anonymous people from anywhere on the planet to pretend to be ... 3 anonymous people :P

I'm thinking this is hilarious... 100,000 btc? That's damn near a half million shekels! Let's go boys and girls.

Establish the rules of evidence in advance so we can all see them, if SC is correct, everybody has to stop picking on his special ed ass, if BCX is correct then all things SC should be banned in perpetuity from this forum.

Buck up and throw down, and I will happily put up a bet if our local wagering establishment will establish a wager that BCX wins this battle.

He's in time out for not being able to spell "Daniel" without fraking up the "n's".

Hmm you'd have to get Theymos or someone else with secure access to the forum to verify multiple IP address and matching IP addresses on the different accounts ...
So unless you do that I can't see any way to prove they are one person that's not questionable.

Though there are ways to do that in advance, but after the fact, you'd need the forum server logs to prove or disprove one or more people.
Since CH is probably in Melb Aus, it shouldn't be too hard to do some IP address matching if he doesn't use proxies or tor ... but that forum information may be considered sacrosanct ... so you are sort of stuck there also if it's not allowed (as would be expected)

The royal we man!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff30/BarkingCarnival/Barking%20Carnival%20II/f0b0f146.jpg

Still waiting on BitcoinExpress to put the funds into escrow I see, typical Daniel Maddox. All talk no delivery. No wonder his wife just married him to get a greencard.