If whole world is under debt then who is the lender  This YouTube explains how it works. Same principle for banking systems in the rest of the world... https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0 |
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You must be new here.... I think you will be wishing you bought more within 6 months...  |
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Yes. The fact that there is optimism now and tons of indicators saying the bottom is in, I'm confident it's in.
Yes there will be some corrections but nothing will be lower than 17.5k.
If you are waiting for cheap coins I'm afraid this will have to do...
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just in case you haven't seen it yet... If you want to know why Vitalik Buterin, the CEO of Ethereum, is having a psychotic breakdown and calling Michael Saylor a clown, watch this masterclass by Saylor on all the technical, economic, and ethical problems with Ethereum.https://twitter.com/NeilJacobs/status/1553752187838382085That clip is coming from another longer video, no? Does anyone have the longer piece (or the whole presentation?)? The tweet mentioned that the clip was from a "master class"? Should be this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=B1PI7BCjopkThanks for that link. I did end up watching the whole interview which was about 1 hour and 26 minutes... ... .... ..... It's a good interview overall.. especially if you have not seen a recent one of him with the lessening of the reservations in regards to decently-well informed shitcoin bashing. I watched 10 min interview in above link. I think what Saylor is saying is very much right that ethereum is being modified ever since its launched unlike bitcoin. So what he trying to say is that etherum is just like some centralized token launched by company who have control over the protocol. To be decentralized etherum must run unmodified for atleast 5 years but we are yet to see this. Even there is no clear way forward for PoS coming up. What will be Yield for next 5 years? No one can answer that. So Saylor is right in every of his argument. Exactly this ethereum is an organization of developers that at advancing the protocol. Basically forking the shit out of it. They are addressing scalability and the Web-3.0 components. Bitcoin also has an organization of developers that are working on it but less active. At the end of the day Bitcoin = #1 store of value Ethereum = #1 utility token Combined they and a few stablecoins are all that are needed IMO it's not Bitcoin vs ethereum. It's Bitcoin AND ethereum... They should not be seen as competitors |
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Aww poor wittle Mr FBI, does he wanna bedtime story instead? He basically wants to run the FBI as a political mobster group without any scrutiny or pushback? Why the need for the raid regardless?! Normally from a legal standpoint, you would subpoena a former president if you want them to hand over a document. They couldn't remove him with impeachment and think this is the way to go? We will see how this unfolds. I have popcorn ready. FBI director Chris Wray calls death threats against agents 'deplorable and dangerous' in the wake of the agency's raid on ex-President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago homehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11102157/FBI-director-says-death-threats-against-agents-deplorable-dangerous-raid-Trumps-home.htmlI guess we can't ALL be an upstanding citizen like Hunter Biden and get away with it. Shame. Trump and his cronies have a bad record on adhering to subpoenas... FBI recovered 12 boxes of 'presumably' secret documents. The national archives referred Trump because he didn't want to give up all documents. He's facing his own 2018 anti-Hilary law that could land him in the big house for 5 years, for mishandling classified documents. I honestly couldn't care less where he ends up. What I do find disturbing is the silencing of voices that go against ultra left wing rhetoric in this day. Consider this happened in the same week they pretty much silenced Alex Jones into bankruptcy and literally waited till the last day they could raid Trump's house before the 90 day within an election day window this is all pretty chilling. It's pretty clear what the democrats / left wing propagandists want and are up to. And YES I post this kind of stuff here as I think this is very much related to Bitcoin / fiat / the freedom of your own determination and to say / think what the fuck you want. Furthermore you said people in The Netherlands are more free than in the USA. The broad day light assassinations of Theo van Gogh, Pim Fortuyn and Peter R. de Vries prove otherwise. Yes those three people over the last >10 years... what a criminal shithole the Netherlands must be... But yes we can say "shit" and "fuck" on TV and don't get shot during traffic stops so we are more free... Freedom index says so too Netherlands #11 USA #15 |
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I bought some eth (and it's running a great profit) but you can't talk about it here because some people could get offended....  |
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Aww poor wittle Mr FBI, does he wanna bedtime story instead? He basically wants to run the FBI as a political mobster group without any scrutiny or pushback? Why the need for the raid regardless?! Normally from a legal standpoint, you would subpoena a former president if you want them to hand over a document. They couldn't remove him with impeachment and think this is the way to go? We will see how this unfolds. I have popcorn ready. FBI director Chris Wray calls death threats against agents 'deplorable and dangerous' in the wake of the agency's raid on ex-President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago homehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11102157/FBI-director-says-death-threats-against-agents-deplorable-dangerous-raid-Trumps-home.htmlI guess we can't ALL be an upstanding citizen like Hunter Biden and get away with it. Shame. Trump and his cronies have a bad record on adhering to subpoenas... FBI recovered 12 boxes of 'presumably' secret documents. The national archives referred Trump because he didn't want to give up all documents. He's facing his own 2018 anti-Hilary law that could land him in the big house for 5 years, for mishandling classified documents. |
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Oh cool, I just realised I am legendary. What do I do? Celebrate?
Congrats. We both have the same activity  But you are ahead of me on merits. 40 merits might help you a bit  10 shy of making you Legendary I think  |
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Well I'm happy not to live in the USA. We get way more vacation with a regular job. Also job security is way better. Sick leave no matter how long you need to recover, etc. Americans think they live in the most free country in the world but that's simply not true. Yet average GDP for every EU country except for Luxemburg is still lower than that of the USA. Certain job sectors in fact across Europe such as IT pay pittance salaries compared to the USA. Sure, you only have private healthcare in the States but it is also of a much higher quality. Many Europeans need to flock exactly to the States to get experimental cancer treatments simply not available in Europe. I think you are pretty much the definition of an ignorant European who stupidly have outsourced energy security to a country you for some bizarre historical reason hate and you have also installed countless layers of government thinking it will protect you from trouble where in fact it is turning into a similar political setup that Adolf Hitler wanted to achieve: Germany in control and no one else gets a say. When someone wants to leave said political system such as the UK you shame them and completely forget it was them who saved your asses from all speaking German or Russian by now. It is also my understanding that the once secure job market in the likes of The Netherlands now with year only contracts is nowhere near as safe as it used to be. Plus the constant mumblings over ditching the mortgage tax break would make the average worker / mortgage payer much poorer if it were to go. The EU concept was Germany's plan B if the war was lost, to continue their dominance over Europe. Sadly the occupied Europe of WW2 has long forgotten why they are not all now speaking German. Am I correct in thinking you mostly live in Netherlands. I understand that thousands of farmers are to be forced to cease farming because of some misguided Green policy on reducing Nitrate pollution. Only to import food which has likely been produced under the exact same systems. Thereby outsourcing pollution, that's OK then. Europe and indeed the entire world need as much food production this year as is possible to prevent mass starvation for those that cannot bid the high market prices needed to secure essential commodities. Shame on the Netherlands' well heeled population for their efforts to reduce that food supply. Oh the US is no different! we are being run by the inmates from the asylum, the latest the Climate Bill $369 billion, what utter fuckwits could have conceived this and at this time in history when the world is on the brink. Those with even modest amounts of Bitcoin will ride this storm better than most. Farmers are not ceasing their work they are just negotiating which is normal here. We have a tradition of getting things worked out so I have no doubt many will get compensated etc. For a country that mostly lives under sea level we know how to pull through together. Because we are a highly populated country with one of the highest densities it isn't strange that we generate a lot of nitrate and other greenhouse gases. Also we have one of the most advanced farming industries in the world increasing that load. Importing has always been cheaper for us and it also distributes the nitrate load. Most farming we do is for export. Countries like France have way more space so it's not a strange concept to move farming to other places in the EU. The problem is finding a workable solution for the farmers which I believe they will find. On the flipside we have a working democracy so we can always kick the government out if it becomes unworkable. And for the WW2 propaganda... without the people from the European continent you would all be living in a tipi running around with bows and arrows  And remember who hired all the nazis when the war ended ;-) Thank you for enlightening me on the farming situation as seen from the Netherlands itself. So you also agree with outsourcing the pollution to increase your collective green credentials whilst benefiting from cheap imports. As a sovereign country you must do what is best for Netherlands under current ideology. "The WW2 propaganda" as you refer to Germany's plan B was common knowledge in Europe after the war. But has quietly been erased from collective memory so that your generation is shocked if it is mentioned. I visited Holland 45 years ago, where they did not like being called Dutch as it was too like Deutsche and preferred the term Hollander as memories of the Nazi Occupation were still raw. Oh well forgive and forget, the EU is now one big equal happy family (ruled by Germany) We don't half talk some crap here, me included while Bitcoin bounces along nicely. With propaganda I mean the "the USA is the greatest country in the world and single handedly saved Europe propaganda" It was a common effort of many nations yet the USA tries to frame it as a 100% USA action. But yes we have the USA, UK, Canada, etc. to thank for the help. It was a world war... And the USA was quick to take in (and blanket pardon) all NAZIs that were developing tech like Wernher von Braun who developed the V2 rocket before developing the Saturn V rocket. But enough with history. Bitcoin is doing nicely |
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On the flipside we have a working democracy so we can always kick the government out if it becomes unworkable.
Operative word there. Yup. We have a shit load of parties having to work together. No single majority or two party working against each other shit. Far from perfect but more dictator-coup-proof... |
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Well I'm happy not to live in the USA. We get way more vacation with a regular job. Also job security is way better. Sick leave no matter how long you need to recover, etc. Americans think they live in the most free country in the world but that's simply not true. Yet average GDP for every EU country except for Luxemburg is still lower than that of the USA. Certain job sectors in fact across Europe such as IT pay pittance salaries compared to the USA. Sure, you only have private healthcare in the States but it is also of a much higher quality. Many Europeans need to flock exactly to the States to get experimental cancer treatments simply not available in Europe. I think you are pretty much the definition of an ignorant European who stupidly have outsourced energy security to a country you for some bizarre historical reason hate and you have also installed countless layers of government thinking it will protect you from trouble where in fact it is turning into a similar political setup that Adolf Hitler wanted to achieve: Germany in control and no one else gets a say. When someone wants to leave said political system such as the UK you shame them and completely forget it was them who saved your asses from all speaking German or Russian by now. It is also my understanding that the once secure job market in the likes of The Netherlands now with year only contracts is nowhere near as safe as it used to be. Plus the constant mumblings over ditching the mortgage tax break would make the average worker / mortgage payer much poorer if it were to go. The EU concept was Germany's plan B if the war was lost, to continue their dominance over Europe. Sadly the occupied Europe of WW2 has long forgotten why they are not all now speaking German. Am I correct in thinking you mostly live in Netherlands. I understand that thousands of farmers are to be forced to cease farming because of some misguided Green policy on reducing Nitrate pollution. Only to import food which has likely been produced under the exact same systems. Thereby outsourcing pollution, that's OK then. Europe and indeed the entire world need as much food production this year as is possible to prevent mass starvation for those that cannot bid the high market prices needed to secure essential commodities. Shame on the Netherlands' well heeled population for their efforts to reduce that food supply. Oh the US is no different! we are being run by the inmates from the asylum, the latest the Climate Bill $369 billion, what utter fuckwits could have conceived this and at this time in history when the world is on the brink. Those with even modest amounts of Bitcoin will ride this storm better than most. Farmers are not ceasing their work they are just negotiating which is normal here. We have a tradition of getting things worked out so I have no doubt many will get compensated etc. For a country that mostly lives under sea level we know how to pull through together. Because we are a highly populated country with one of the highest densities it isn't strange that we generate a lot of nitrate and other greenhouse gases. Also we have one of the most advanced farming industries in the world increasing that load. Importing has always been cheaper for us and it also distributes the nitrate load. Most farming we do is for export. Countries like France have way more space so it's not a strange concept to move farming to other places in the EU. The problem is finding a workable solution for the farmers which I believe they will find. On the flipside we have a working democracy so we can always kick the government out if it becomes unworkable. And for the WW2 propaganda... without the people from the European continent you would all be living in a tipi running around with bows and arrows And remember who hired all the nazis when the war ended ;-) |
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Well I'm happy not to live in the USA. We get way more vacation with a regular job. Also job security is way better. Sick leave no matter how long you need to recover, etc. Americans think they live in the most free country in the world but that's simply not true. Yet average GDP for every EU country except for Luxemburg is still lower than that of the USA. Certain job sectors in fact across Europe such as IT pay pittance salaries compared to the USA. Sure, you only have private healthcare in the States but it is also of a much higher quality. Many Europeans need to flock exactly to the States to get experimental cancer treatments simply not available in Europe. I think you are pretty much the definition of an ignorant European who stupidly have outsourced energy security to a country you for some bizarre historical reason hate and you have also installed countless layers of government thinking it will protect you from trouble where in fact it is turning into a similar political setup that Adolf Hitler wanted to achieve: Germany in control and no one else gets a say. When someone wants to leave said political system such as the UK you shame them and completely forget it was them who saved your asses from all speaking German or Russian by now. It is also my understanding that the once secure job market in the likes of The Netherlands now with year only contracts is nowhere near as safe as it used to be. Plus the constant mumblings over ditching the mortgage tax break would make the average worker / mortgage payer much poorer if it were to go. It's all relative. Cost of living in the US is insane. Job security is non-existent. And salaries are low if you take cost of living into account. The healthcare argument is a stupid one. USA ranks 18th in the world and my little postage stamp of a country ranks higher. For experimental treatments of cancer the Netherlands, Germany, the UK and France rank the highest in the world. And you can have the best in the world but who cares if you can't get access to it. If I get cancer, I get helped. You get cancer it's a big fuck-you if you can't pay hundreds of thousand dollars. Edit: I'm in the Netherlands and here you have a 1 year contract. They can extend it twice and then they must give you a permanent running contact. It's been like this for a long time. But a full contract is usually a negotiation point. Haven't heard that anything changed, but it doesn't affect me as a contracter. |
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Well I'm happy not to live in the USA. We get way more vacation with a regular job. Also job security is way better. Sick leave no matter how long you need to recover, etc. Americans think they live in the most free country in the world but that's simply not true. |
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After capturing the North America Nebula, i pointed the scope to a random region high up in the sky, which was suggested in my astronomy software. The bad thing is, there is a bug in the software: When you change target, all the images are named after the old target (NGC7000 in this case), so i have no idea which object i was recording. EDIT: This is why the color balancing is not really good. If i knew the object code, i could correct colors automatically. I'm not really skilled at this.  I'm satisfied with the scope. Seems to be the perfect hobby for bear markets  Beautiful pics and I hope they have an update soon. Would love to have a scope like that to gaze at the stars |
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Cool I'm in the pic list... +30 merits #nohomo |
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You’re prediction of 185K is fair and probably most of the member here will agree base on the recent price behavior of Bitcoin on previous cycle. The previous ATH before 69K is around 20K so bu doing an estimate growth, the multiplier of growth we looking for is more or less x3.5 of the ATH which means the next psychological target for new ATH will be above 100K and 200K mark. Price prediction above that range is already insane and not logical at all but who knows? We are all lunatics Bitcoin believer when we dream Bitcoin price will go above 20K when the price is less than a grand. 100k is a common prediction ever since so why not 185k? Once we are now at those levels, 200k or more is now going to be easier to achieve and will now be the new target by the people. Price prediction above 200k like for example 300 to 400k is still realistic in my opinion. In case you didn't know, we have a thread here last time which shows the price predictions of those so called experts. If only you saw that you will say that those are the ones who are insane because some of their predictions can range to 500k up to 1 million u.s dollars. I didn't know if what are their basis on why they can say that because there are no extra information. Here's some food for thought... the approx ATLs eyeballed from the chart 2013 $x0 2015 $x00 2018 $x000 2022 $x0000 (17.5k) So 2025 should have an ATL of $100k+ 2030 should go $1M if this holds... Now think of the ATHs. I still think the $69k was way too low because of the bad macro economic effects. The next 2 years could also be retracted years. |
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"It's Putin's fault that we are making so much money. Blame him. Not my fault I had to turn my indoor swimming pool into a Scrooge McDuck style money diving vault, leave me alone!" BP sees biggest profit in 14 years as energy bills soarhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62382624Swimming in fiat isn't a health position at the moment. Go buy BTC |
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The fiat monetary system cannot undo Bitcoin. It will undo you and you will Die_empty if you don't get any... |
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Yes who doesn't want to buy the bottom ^ Definitely right and buying now could be profitable in the future. But for sure those who bought BTC at the recent dump will not sell their BTC, they wait for it when there is ATH will come. This was expected by most HOLDlers, BTC will reach into another ATH right after this market correction. However, it seems OP asking financial matters here which I don't think there is someone willing to donate their earnings. Sure, but maybe we will see a new low before finish this market correction. The global market is bearish right now, and so is BTC. Now is the time to buy, I wouldn't wait for a new low, it might not come. When it goes 10x these prices will be a dream from the past... |
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The next ATL should be 8-10x of 17k The ATH is higher than 150k I'd go 300k to be on the low side |
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