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121  Other / Archival / Re: Are you ready to see Bitcoin at $10 000? on: July 06, 2022, 10:43:34 AM
I am ready to see Bitcoin at $10,000. and i am managing fund for buy bitcoin on that time . i am not sure btc really can drop to 10k but it has possibility. i mean bitcoin will drop bellow $17,000 soon.

I don't think it's going to go to that level but nobody knows. You are trying to time the bottom which is close to impossible.

Be careful you don't end up empty handed waiting for the $10k that might never come...

My tip would be to buy every a little bit every X days to DCA the dip.
122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 06, 2022, 06:37:20 AM
If the pattern of the previous cycles is kept, the average price will gradually increase to 3x from the bottom until the end of 2024. Examples: 10K->30K, 15K->45K, 17.5->52.5K. And if there is a new ATH in 2025, it might be around only 2x from the last, i.e. 140K. This is what I think, but I might be awfully wrong in both directions, like sub 10K bottom and no new ATH in 2025, or the other extreme - a new ATH beyond 300K.
Based of the previous cycle, the increase from the bottom was 3K end of 2018 till 14K in june 2019, so almost x5 not x3.
yes, but (14/3.1)X 17.6 would be 79.5, an ATH, while in 2019 we went to roughly 70% of prior ATH.
70% of 67566 is 47.3K, a very possible number that already figured multiple times in prior discussions.

math and numbers and math and numbers and ... bleh!

all i wanna know is: are we rich there yet?

FTFY


It's the journey, not the destination.


Don't u know nuttin?




 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Sure.   Another way of saying it..


Even though I am a wee bit skeptical of your user-name, newbie.

If you have to put it in your user-name... .........



Source: Telegram.
Remember maximum people talk about same thing about the bear these days but need to remember Thought process changes as Bear Change into Bull so Good Luck until new BULL with Long Run

Yeah.. but where's the link?


Lookie lookie.. Save the RF.. stealing all my thunder.. two days prior to my response...  Cry Cry Cry

FUN FACT:  On this day 10 years ago, #Bitcoin was $15.40.

Bitcoin expansion was similar to Universe inflation: very rapid initially, much slower later.
Example: btc "was" about 0.003 when Laslo purchased 2 pizzas for 10000 btc in 2010.
From 2010 to 2012 ($15.4) was a 5133X price expansion
From 2012 to 2022 (now) was "only" a 1240X expansion in five time longer period (10 years).

projecting: ~300X price expansion in 50 years or $5.73mil by 2072. Quite doable.

See What He Thinks,


Bitcoin is Pure Great Fools Theory
Bill Gates

https://youtube.com/shorts/CPK5XPg4Na0?feature=share

Bill Gates does not seem to know what he is talking about including that he is mixing various assets together (failing/refusing  to distinguish what bitcoin is as compared with other things  - which shows his lack of specific rather than general knowledge.. unless he is being disingenuous) .. .That clip must be from 2018 or earlier since he is also talking about ICOs, no?   I would speculate that even Gates has evolved in his ways of talking about bitcoin, but he still may well do the same nonsense thing in terms of failing to specifically distinguish bitcoin.. ..

I believe Bill Gates said this about the NFT pictures of apes aswell, which I totally agree with...
123  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 08:36:41 PM
Take a look at the mass shootings they hardly happen with a handgun.
But yes handguns are the major source of homicide indeed...

Again, do some research, please. Don't just keep making shit up.

Is now the time to tell Wilhelm that the majority of U.S. fire arm homicides are from handguns? Or...?

https://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/handgun-homicides/

Any reason for a 30-60 capacity mag for self defense? Unless you are John Rambo ofcourse...


30 is a standard capacity mag for many sporting rifles. So we see already that the definition of "high capacity" is weaselly too.

And outlawing them wouldn't do shit anyway. Anyone can easily 3d print high cap mags nowdays. Easily.

Lol if you don't do anything "because X, Y, Z" nothing is going to change and the USA will remain #1.

So what? why are you trying to push your will on a people that don't agree with you? Let them have their laws as they wish. What you are doing is no diffetrent than what the EU is doing to you, pushing their will on you against your will.

I'm not pushing anything... I don't have any say in US politics...
Just a concerned individual who thinks that too many people/kids are needlessly getting killed...

And to your last point, the point about the EU has to do with the distance between the voters and Brussels, the reach into politics that should be dealt with at a local level. I don't have a problem with what they are doing (at least nothing that wants to make me leave the EU). Which is comparable to the US federal vs state vs local jurisdictions, only you have a >200 year head start on working a federation.
124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 08:12:23 PM
Nice pump happening  Cool
125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 08:01:34 PM
Take a look at the mass shootings they hardly happen with a handgun.
But yes handguns are the major source of homicide indeed...

Again, do some research, please. Don't just keep making shit up.

Is now the time to tell Wilhelm that the majority of U.S. fire arm homicides are from handguns? Or...?

https://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/handgun-homicides/

Any reason for a 30-60 capacity mag for self defense? Unless you are John Rambo ofcourse...


30 is a standard capacity mag for many sporting rifles. So we see already that the definition of "high capacity" is weaselly too.

And outlawing them wouldn't do shit anyway. Anyone can easily 3d print high cap mags nowdays. Easily.

Lol if you don't do anything "because X, Y, Z" nothing is going to change and the USA will remain #1.
126  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 07:49:37 PM
Our insane prime minister Boris Johnson will be out I reckon.

Rishi Sunak, The Chancellor of the Exchequer and Health Secretary Sajid Javid have quit the cabinet.


My Putin v the western leaders score card:

[ x ] Boris Johnson
[ ] Grandpa Joe Biden
[ ] Emmanuel Macron                 v.                   [ ] Vladimir Putin
[ ] Olaf Scholz
[ ] Mark Rutte
[ ] Volodymyr Zelenskyy

An X will mark executed from power. The last one standing without an X wins and gets the chocolate factory


Maybe Johnson can get a job as loser deputy prime minister of Ukraine!

Headline I just read "Can Ukraine still win the war?"  Cheesy Totally deluded.

Frankly, I couldn't believe when the brits voted for Brexit. I was hoping they're smart enough to not buy that Boris's shit. Man I was wrong.   Cool

I was happy with the free travel / potential free move from the UK to western European countries but especially the political layer that it introduced and was getting bigger and bigger and bigger and less democratic; no thanks.
Bizarre how Ursula Von Der Leyen can even attend G7 meetings. It seems wrong to me. The only one on the ballot as far as I remember as EU leader. Not democratic.
With the economic downturn on the horizon I doubt many citizens across the EU will want more EU and more fiscal integration.

But who knows. Many will see it as the exact opportunity to grab more power.

As a European I have the feeling we don't really have a say in European level politics.
Local politicians are capitulating to Brussels, basically voiding voters and getting themselves a juicy tax deducted job.

IMO the brexit has also been made too look very messy to stop others follow suit.
Boris Johnson isn't the guy for the job when it comes to economic recovery.
I however do believe that the UK will be very happy with their regained sovereignty after going down the shitter...
127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 06:06:48 PM
Question for everybody in the WO.

If today, you get 1Million$ fresh fiat, available to invest in totally in this market.


What would be your strategy ? Short-long term.. Level/target.. Pourcentage.. Diversification (i mean not only "all in" on btc)..


Buy 50 Bitcoin NOW
Wait 2-4 years for ATH
Buy luxury villa somewhere nice
Keep some cash on hand to survive 4-8 years of not having to work
HODL the rest of Bitcoin as a money machine and cash some out at ATHs when needed
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 05:54:06 PM

Then it will get better or worse.

High density area with lowering of gun regulations... let's see...

Crime in NYC (and many other cities) is already on a steep incline at the moment. Good luck pulling any signal from the noise.

Fair point looking at the homicide rates...
129  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 05:14:18 PM
Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...

Well, the restrictions already in place sure haven't been.

Then it will get better or worse.

High density area with lowering of gun regulations... let's see...
130  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 05:12:26 PM
Well then you have a lot of mass "defensive rifle" shootings... hardly anyone got "assaulted" right?

Handguns mostly. Do some research, please.

Take a look at the mass shootings they hardly happen with a handgun.
But yes handguns are the major source of homicide indeed...
131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 05:10:02 PM
- restrict the insane from buying
- restrict criminals from buying
- proper storage of weapons in the home
- gun registration
- no open or concealed carry for assault rifles
- ban on high capacity magazines
- ban on full-auto firing

Done.
Done. (Unless you're Hunter Biden)
Needs proof it would have an effect - and not just a negative one.
Would have no effect other than making people targets.
Nobody is open or otherwise carrying assault rifles.
Weaselly. Define high capacity.
Done (effectively)

Well done on showing how woefully uninformed you are.



Without gun registration you don't know which maniac is stockpiling guns like the dude that had 47 guns in his hotel room when shooting a crowd. If someone gets shot the gun owner can be traced.
Any reason for a 30-60 capacity mag for self defense? Unless you are John Rambo ofcourse...

But let's get back to crypto Smiley
132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 05:00:29 PM
Wow comparing the USA with Brazil to find an outlier that fits your narrative.

Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...

If you consider the truth a narrative, then you would be correct; your belief in it is irrelevant.

I compared nothing, I stated examples showing the high amount of defensive uses of firearms. These numbers would then be compared to the number of "mass shootings", showing your line of thinking is incorrect. Words matter, use them appropriately.

This would be another comparison:
EU
"More than one in four Europeans were victims of harassment and 22 million were physically attacked in one year. But crime victims typically do not report their experiences. They often have difficulties accessing their rights and may feel voiceless. These are the results of the first-ever EU-wide survey on the general population’s experience of crime"
"Nearly one in 10 people in the EU (9 %) experienced violence within five years of the survey"
Only a third (30 %) of victims report their physical attack and a tenth (11 %) their incident of harassment to the police"
https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2021/violence-and-harassment-across-europe-much-higher-official-records

USA
"From 2019 to 2020, the NCVS rate of violent crime reported to police decreased from 8.6 to 6.6 per 1,000 persons age 12 or older (down 23%), while the UCR SRS violent crime rate increased marginally from 3.8 per 1,000 persons in 2019 to 4.0 per 1,000 in 2020."
https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/nations-two-crime-measures-2011-2020

EU - 9%
USA - 0.4% (or 0.66% if you prefer). Obviously all those 300,000,000+ guns owned by law abiding citizens are causing widespread mayhem not seen elsewhere in the world  Roll Eyes




Heathdata.org


While for example the UK dosen't have many shootings, they do stab each other like crazy. You should look at the total number of homocides instead.

What year is the graph from? it doesnt match what I have read lately.

Ever heard of a mass-stabbing or a school-stabbing....

Excuses....

Plus just that you know, the United States leads the statistics on knife crimes too....
Plus homicide rates in the USA are higher than any European country.
133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 03:59:33 PM
Wow comparing the USA with Brazil to find an outlier that fits your narrative.

Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...

If you consider the truth a narrative, then you would be correct; your belief in it is irrelevant.

I compared nothing, I stated examples showing the high amount of defensive uses of firearms. These numbers would then be compared to the number of "mass shootings", showing your line of thinking is incorrect. Words matter, use them appropriately.

This would be another comparison:
EU
"More than one in four Europeans were victims of harassment and 22 million were physically attacked in one year. But crime victims typically do not report their experiences. They often have difficulties accessing their rights and may feel voiceless. These are the results of the first-ever EU-wide survey on the general population’s experience of crime"
"Nearly one in 10 people in the EU (9 %) experienced violence within five years of the survey"
Only a third (30 %) of victims report their physical attack and a tenth (11 %) their incident of harassment to the police"
https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2021/violence-and-harassment-across-europe-much-higher-official-records

USA
"From 2019 to 2020, the NCVS rate of violent crime reported to police decreased from 8.6 to 6.6 per 1,000 persons age 12 or older (down 23%), while the UCR SRS violent crime rate increased marginally from 3.8 per 1,000 persons in 2019 to 4.0 per 1,000 in 2020."
https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/nations-two-crime-measures-2011-2020

EU - 9%
USA - 0.4% (or 0.66% if you prefer). Obviously all those 300,000,000+ guns owned by law abiding citizens are causing widespread mayhem not seen elsewhere in the world  Roll Eyes




Heathdata.org
134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 03:16:20 PM
First 3 are already in the law books.
Last 4 are unlikely to ever get any traction. It will be resisted or opposed. Plus there is debate on the use of the word "assault", or a question on its definition.

I'd argue we should call them defensive rifles.

Well then you have a lot of mass "defensive rifle" shootings... hardly anyone got "assaulted" right?

But I'm going to stop this religious debate because I don't think there is going to be any change...

Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1007588410221

Data from a 1993 survey published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun “for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere” over the previous five years. This amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year and excludes all “military service, police work, or work as a security guard.”
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9591354/

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million….”
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence


Don't like the USA as an example? How about Brazil?

After the relaxation on gun laws in 2019 by President Jair Bolsonaro, the number of deaths registered by homicide was 19% lower compared to 2018 (51,558), while in 2019 the registered number was 41,635 being the lowest number of homicide deaths since 2007
https://g1.globo.com/monitor-da-violencia/noticia/2020/02/14/numero-de-assassinatos-cai-19percent-no-brasil-em-2019-e-e-o-menor-da-serie-historica.ghtml





Wow comparing the USA with Brazil to find an outlier that fits your narrative.

Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...
135  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 02:43:08 PM
- restrict the insane from buying
- restrict criminals from buying
- proper storage of weapons in the home
- gun registration
- no open or concealed carry for assault rifles
- ban on high capacity magazines
- ban on full-auto firing

First 3 are already in the law books.
Last 4 are unlikely to ever get any traction. It will be resisted or opposed. Plus there is debate on the use of the word "assault", or a question on its definition.

I'd argue we should call them defensive rifles.

Well then you have a lot of mass "defensive rifle" shootings... hardly anyone got "assaulted" right?

But I'm going to stop this religious debate because I don't think there is going to be any change...
136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 02:23:56 PM
Common sense gun laws aren't authoritarian restrictions.
Common sense gun laws should be viewed the same as a drivers license or medical license...

Any time I see "Common sense" I can just interpret it as a euphemism for "Laws I want but you don't" and ignore the rest. Be specific.

Let's name a few

- restrict the insane from buying
- restrict criminals from buying
- proper storage of weapons in the home
- gun registration
- no open or concealed carry for assault rifles
- ban on high capacity magazines
- ban on full-auto firing
Etc.
Etc.


Well, it's not your country, so therefore none of your business.

True. Good luck with the thoughts and prayers ...

Good luck with your coming food shortages and eventual famine because "save the planet"...

Thanks. Happy recession to you too  Grin
137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 02:10:35 PM
Common sense gun laws aren't authoritarian restrictions.
Common sense gun laws should be viewed the same as a drivers license or medical license...

Any time I see "Common sense" I can just interpret it as a euphemism for "Laws I want but you don't" and ignore the rest. Be specific.

Let's name a few

- restrict the insane from buying
- restrict criminals from buying
- proper storage of weapons in the home
- gun registration
- no open or concealed carry for assault rifles
- ban on high capacity magazines
- ban on full-auto firing
Etc.
Etc.


Well, it's not your country, so therefore none of your business.

True. Good luck with the thoughts and prayers ...
138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 02:09:55 PM
Ok whatever.... you mentioned "popular will of the people"/"representative democracy. "
If that was truly the case, that last clown elected in 2016 would not have happened.

I'd agree. But for different reasons, probably. The republicans had continually been served up a dismal variety of swampy establishment candidates so Trump was largely a spoiler vote (Though many seem quite happy with what he was able to achieve despite opposition from his own party and several years of lies and questionable legal procedures against him). Parties have had a terrible effect on this country on both sides.

.....

I would *welcome* a widespread review of gun laws in the US. The overwhelming majority of them would be thrown out as ineffectual if nothing else.

The USA is a gun toting culture. Always has been, always will be.
So get used to mass shootings. (I'd venture to guess most Americans have at this point) They are not going away.
Debating gun laws in the USA is like debating religion.
Just like the thoughts and prayers the victims get, it's totally fruitless and useless. Sad but true.

Yes, probably. Until we have a proper discussion about the causes of such things and work on a proper way to solve them other than passing another ineffectual and unwanted restriction on gun ownership that only really affects regular, law abiding people, not much is going to change.

You mean things like

- universal affordable healthcare
- addressing mental illness
- social security
- a safe working environment where
  You can be sick without getting fired
  you can get fired every second of the day for no reason
- the possibility of having a retirement

All those liberal things that republicans are against...

Why do you hate the United States?

They have saved Europe twice and is now saving us a third time, show some respect and gratitude instead of this constant bashing.

Who says I hate the United States?

I've been there many many times and the USA has a lot of nice places to visit and good things going for it.
I personally would never want to live there because of the cut-throat mentality and the public safety issues like mass shootings.
139  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 01:53:14 PM
Common sense gun laws aren't authoritarian restrictions.
Common sense gun laws should be viewed the same as a drivers license or medical license...

Any time I see "Common sense" I can just interpret it as a euphemism for "Laws I want but you don't" and ignore the rest. Be specific.

Let's name a few

- restrict the insane from buying
- restrict criminals from buying
- proper storage of weapons in the home
- gun registration
- no open or concealed carry for assault rifles
- ban on high capacity magazines
- ban on full-auto firing
Etc.
Etc.
140  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 05, 2022, 01:47:43 PM
Ok whatever.... you mentioned "popular will of the people"/"representative democracy. "
If that was truly the case, that last clown elected in 2016 would not have happened.

I'd agree. But for different reasons, probably. The republicans had continually been served up a dismal variety of swampy establishment candidates so Trump was largely a spoiler vote (Though many seem quite happy with what he was able to achieve despite opposition from his own party and several years of lies and questionable legal procedures against him). Parties have had a terrible effect on this country on both sides.

.....

I would *welcome* a widespread review of gun laws in the US. The overwhelming majority of them would be thrown out as ineffectual if nothing else.

The USA is a gun toting culture. Always has been, always will be.
So get used to mass shootings. (I'd venture to guess most Americans have at this point) They are not going away.
Debating gun laws in the USA is like debating religion.
Just like the thoughts and prayers the victims get, it's totally fruitless and useless. Sad but true.

Yes, probably. Until we have a proper discussion about the causes of such things and work on a proper way to solve them other than passing another ineffectual and unwanted restriction on gun ownership that only really affects regular, law abiding people, not much is going to change.

You mean things like

- universal affordable healthcare
- addressing mental illness
- social security
- a safe working environment where
  You can be sick without getting fired
  you can get fired every second of the day for no reason
- the possibility of having a retirement

All those liberal things that republicans are against...
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