Not too much for credibility but hey... As for NXT "doing better"... well, considering that even that proven scam (Bobsurplus even bailed out when caught) named BAY has gone x10 -along with every other worthless project- in the last few months, NXT is doing only relatively "better". Hopefully, for those of us that hope to benefit greatly from the scheme by these developers, the money that is pouring practically indiscriminately across the boards onto every coin project, will continue or, at least, won't run after being taken. We will see.

Stating facts, such as the ones stated above, can be called "little trolling" only if one has not very legitimate interest in keeping them unaddressed. But, like I said, the scheme is working, so let's benefit all.
But in knowledge, not chosen ignorance -or blatant deceit- of what really is going on.

Really? A legendary member with hundreds of posts on this thread is a "now"? Wow. But, paraphrasing yourself, to each his own. Love the argument about the facts stated, though.

Meanwhile BTC is literaly exploding -above $2,000. within hours-. Get ready for NXT (and ARDR, along with the ret of alts) to tumble further. Significantly

I'll take your word for it (no choice). But a lot of people will, and indeed do, trade it rather. Myself included.

Well, it's ... complicated. By design. It is, in fact, one and the same the whole thing. It is "splitted" with the only purpose of generating more money -and very successfully so far-. NXT will become (slowly) obsolete -and in fact not developed after a while-, once ARDOR is implemented. ARDOR will be the new name of NXT. IGNIS is the first by-product of the new NXT (ARDOR), designed, again, with the sole purpose of being sold to corporations for profit. As the first of such by-products (called technically "child chains"), the developers will give 50% of ownership of IGNIS to those who still own NXT -they need to keep the number as high as possible in order to secure the network- at the specific time of the snapshot. After that the existence of NXT will start slowly fading away completely. The whole shebang is that subsequent "child chains" will be the sole property of the developers of NXT -or, more properly, of the centralized, private, company they have created to such purpose-. The ONLY "benefit" ARDOR holders (NXT ones will have none) will have is whatever is derived from the potential fact that the buyers of such childchains, including IGNIS, will have to pay for them in ARDOR, supposedly by doing that creating more demand for ARDOR.

That, of course, is if you believe what the developers tell you. They are not bound by anything but their words, so they could freely sell the child chains for BTC or any other instrument of exchange.

Really? And watch how it goes up or down 20-25% -or more- some days? I don't think that's quite realistic...

Anything in Los Angeles?

This is a bit confusing: What does Ardor have to do with the IGNIS distribution? I thought it was limited to NXT at the snapshot time...

The end...

"Q: is this dilution?
A: This is a debatable statement. I've seen several takes on it. Good food for discussion."

I really have to laugh...

Not that I don't trust you... or your friendly advice... It's just that this is a piece of shit with ZERO chances of being even remotely successful. ZERO.

You cannot possibly be THAT dumb...

So many real arguments to signify the differences with ethereum and maidsafe it would be ridiculous -on top of an absurd waste of time-, to list them... as for the "value", "potential" and promotion (lacking, according to you), well, reality is that nxt/ardr have no real value whatsoever and promotion is being done rather abundantly (and some times in mainstream media, which is rare). So what are we left with? "Potential". And the potential are some chimeric "child chains" that are supposed to start appearing a year from now at the earliest.... BUT -and here is the kicker-, other than 50% of Ignis, the first chimeric child chain, holders of nxt/ardr will be left with NOTHING, regardless the success of those chimeric, potential child chains, sin e all profits will go directly to the devs who, to that effect, have already established a centralized, private, for-profit corporation. Again: no benefits whatsoever to holdes of nxt/ardr. Furthermore, any and all perceived benefits from that 50% of Ignis, can be obtained by buying nxt at the time the devs will be liwuidating their holdings to qualify (the buyers) for the one time snapshot previous to the distribution of Ignis. Why will anyone buy either nxt or ardr now? No reason whatsoever. So they arent. Nothing to do with lack of promotion at all.

But, most of all, ardr was conceived as an scheme to hide another ico that will allow the devs to reap very nice cash from the sale of their huge, free, chest of the ardr they gave themselves. And it worked beautifully (chapeau!) for them: price remains, still at these levels more than4 TIMES HIGHER THAN WHERE IT WAS before the announcement scheme. So question yourselves who continues to do the dumping even at these "bitter" prices that are more than 4 times higher than they were only 3-4 months ago and had been at that level for many, many months. Beginning to get the REAL picture, separated from your wishful thinking? That would be a good start...

Getting excellent-er by the minute. Congrats for such keen  momentum choosing and continue loading that bag. Oportunities galore just ahead!

And Bob, caught again in the act, runs away. No pump. Back to its natural "value"...

As long as you know it, you won't be disappointed. Because you are going to hold that bag for a loooong time.

Value of this entire project: A big, fat, ZERO

No, there are no more projects "coming" ... except the certainty that the devs will stop supporting it after one year, more or less, from the Ardor launch. So you have a big, fat NOTHING there.

Do you need another NOTHING, also big and fat? ARDOR. except for the very dubious profits of Ignis, of which you, holders, will receive 50%, IF devs keep their word, ANY AND ALL profits from the project will go to the private, centralized, for-profit company the devs just established. ANY AND ALL. So, only if you "forge" you will be receiving some crumbs for helping mantaining the network...

I believe the market is quickly realizing what the sum of ZERO plus ZERO is. More to come, keep on watching.

You should do a search right here, in bitcointalk.

Stupidity really knows no boundaries... for those who may think this idiot knows anithing about anything, I have never ever recommended to buy any altcoin. Ever. None. One exception: bitcoin itself. For those investing -for real, not like this idiot-, i believe bitcoing can produce significant gains... if willing to settle for 15-25% at a time or, may be just holding for years. I believe chances are good for it to go higher with limited downside risk at these levels. The rest of altcoins are two kinds: pure speculation vaporware and straight out scams (with plenty of hybrids of both about). It is up to you to decide to which of those groups this piece of crap belongs.

That said and on PURE SPECULATION I believe Bob surplus and his soldiers have entered an agreement with mr. Code to pump this crap and they are -and have been- accumulating slowly for a couple of weeks. They will pump it hard and then dump it to below 100. Do with this quite experienced and educated opinion what you will...

And, please, learn to identify the idiots fast. Like the one quoted. They will cost you money if you dont.

This accumulation that is going on right now tells me a big pump is gestating. Are you here Bob? The pump would take this crap into the thousands. If I am right, you could make quite a bit of dough... as long as you get out and not left holding the bag.

The accumulation period should last a few days/weeks, done discreetly and the pump timed with some bogus announcement.

Text book procedure.