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1001  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 12 Word Mnemonic - Brute Force the Order? on: September 09, 2023, 09:38:58 AM
Fortunately current btcrecover developer already provide such address database, although it was last updated on 2022. Although it shouldn't be problem since OP said "A few years ago...".

Do you know how the btcrecover devs "refresh" the address database? What kind of tools do they use?

btcrecover documentation mention 2 ways to create the address DB (from blk*dat file[1] and list of addresses[1]). But the developer doesn't mention which method he use to create his prepared DB. On the documentation, he mention few .py file script.

Isn't 115 minutes (at best 1.1k permutation/sec) too slow?
Although FinderOuter doesn't have this feature but I get 22k perm/sec for BIP39 and 1.2m perm/sec for Electrum mnemonic on CPU when recovering 12-word mnemonics with missing words.

Nice catch, reference benchmark shows i7-8750 shows it has 33K permutation/sec[3]. So it's possible OP used sub optimal configuration. As stated by @o_e_l_e_o below, the actual speed was 70K/sec. So actually it's not slow.

[1] https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Creating_and_Using_AddressDB/#creating-an-addressdb-from-blockchain-data
[2] https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Creating_and_Using_AddressDB/#creating-an-addressdb-from-an-address-list
[3] https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/GPU_Acceleration/#performance-notes
1002  Economy / Reputation / Re: AI Spam Report Reference Thread on: September 08, 2023, 10:00:10 AM
After getting caught using AI and receive 3 neutral feedback, this time user Lattice Labs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3530245) use AI generated text on technical board. In addition, the post contain generic or inaccurate information which corrected by other member who reply to Lattice Labs's post.

A fast and most simplest block parser would be one  that extracts HASH160 values from Bitcoin transactions can and be useful for specific applications. Here's a simple Python script that demonstrates how to achieve this using the bitcoinlib library, which provides a convenient way to work with Bitcoin data:

from bitcoinlib.blocks import get_block
from bitcoinlib.transactions import read_hex, parse_signed_hex

# Replace with the block height or block hash you want to parse
block_hash_or_height = "block_hash_or_height_here"

# Get the block data
block = get_block(block_hash_or_height)

# Iterate through the transactions in the block
for tx in block.transactions:
    # Iterate through the outputs of each transaction
    for output in tx.outputs:
        # Check if the output script is of type HASH160
        if output.script.is_hash160:
            # Get the HASH160 value as a hexadecimal string
            hash160_hex = output.script.address()
            print(f"HASH160: {hash160_hex}")

Make sure to install the bitcoinlib library using pip (pip install bitcoinlib) before running this script. Also, replace "block_hash_or_height_here" with the actual block hash or height you want to parse.

This script fetches the block data and iterates through its transactions and outputs, checking if each output's script is of type HASH160. If so, it extracts the HASH160 value as a hexadecimal string and prints it.

Keep in mind that this is a basic example, and depending on your specific needs, you may want to add error handling and additional features.


Copyleaks: 93.7% probability for AI
Hivemoderation: 99.9% likely to contain AI Generated Text

Guys, Recovering the order of your 12 mnemonic words can be challenging, but it's important to approach this with caution, especially if you have a small amount of Bitcoin involved. Here's a basic Python script that you can use to generate permutations of your mnemonic words and check them against a Bitcoin wallet to see if they are valid:

from itertools import permutations
from hashlib import sha256
import hmac
import binascii

# List of your 12 mnemonic words
mnemonic_words = ["word1", "word2", ...]  # Replace with your actual words

# Your Bitcoin address and the checksum
bitcoin_address = "your_bitcoin_address"
checksum = "your_checksum_word"  # The last word in the list

# Function to check if a permutation is valid
def is_valid_permutation(permuted_words):
    # Recreate the mnemonic phrase with the current permutation
    phrase = " ".join(permuted_words)
    
    # Calculate the seed from the phrase (with or without the checksum word)
    seed = binascii.hexlify(hmac.new(phrase.encode(), b"mnemonic", sha256).digest()).decode()

    # Derive the Bitcoin address from the seed
    # Replace the following line with your Bitcoin wallet derivation logic
    derived_address = derive_address_from_seed(seed)

    # Compare the derived address with your actual Bitcoin address
    return derived_address == bitcoin_address

# Function to derive a Bitcoin address from a seed (you need to implement this)
def derive_address_from_seed(seed):
    # Implement your Bitcoin address derivation logic here
    # This would depend on the specific wallet software you used

# Generate all permutations of your mnemonic words
word_permutations = permutations(mnemonic_words)

# Iterate through permutations and check if they are valid
for permuted_words in word_permutations:
    if is_valid_permutation(permuted_words):
        print("Valid order found:", " ".join(permuted_words))
        break

You need to replace "word1", "word2", etc., with your actual mnemonic words and implement the derive_address_from_seed function according to the wallet software you used.

This script generates permutations and checks each one. With 12 words, there are indeed 479,001,600 possible permutations, so this method could be time-consuming.

The BIP39 checksum is used to detect errors in the mnemonic phrase, but it won't help you recover the correct word order.

Be cautious with your Bitcoin wallet and private keys, and consider seeking professional assistance if you're not comfortable with this process, especially given the potential loss of funds.


Copyleaks: 82.9% probability for AI
Hivemoderation: 99.1% likely to contain AI Generated Text

Bitcoin is often referred to as "digital gold" and is designed to have a limited supply, with a maximum cap of 21 million coins. This scarcity is one of its primary selling points and is intended to protect it from the effects of inflation that traditional fiat currencies can experience when central banks increase the money supply.

However, Bitcoin's price can still be influenced by various economic factors, including inflation expectations. If there is a widespread belief that traditional currencies are losing value due to inflation, some investors may turn to Bitcoin as a store of value, potentially driving up its price.

So, while Bitcoin itself isn't subject to inflation in the way that fiat currencies are, it can still be influenced by inflationary pressures in the broader economy. It's important to note that Bitcoin's price can be highly volatile and is influenced by a wide range of factors beyond just inflation.

Copyleaks: 99.9% probability for AI
Hivemoderation: 99.9% likely to contain AI Generated Text

I understand your use case better now. You want to create a Bitcoin wallet using a manually generated seed, which you'll enter into Bitcoin Core on an offline machine, and then use the XPUB to create a "watch-only" wallet on an online machine. This approach can enhance security.

Here's a high-level overview of the process:

Generate Seed: Manually generate a 99-digit base-6 number using dice throws, ensuring it's highly random.
Offline Machine:
Install Bitcoin Core on an offline machine.
Enter the seed to create a wallet.
Note down the XPUB (extended public key).
Online Machine:
Install Bitcoin Core on an online machine.
Import the XPUB from the offline wallet as a "watch-only" wallet.
Create new receiving addresses on the online machine for transactions and PSBTs.
You can follow these steps manually within the Bitcoin Core GUI, which is designed to handle these tasks securely. No additional scripts should be necessary for this process, as Bitcoin Core provides the needed functionality for generating and importing wallets.

Remember to keep your offline machine entirely disconnected from the internet during the initial setup to maintain security. Additionally, ensure you have backups of your seed in case of data loss or hardware failure.

Copyleaks: 38.4% probability for human
Hivemoderation: 99.1% likely to contain AI Generated Text
1003  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Where does electrum financial source come from? on: September 07, 2023, 12:30:28 PM
That's good question. I've read what other user said and perform quick check. But i wonder if there are any other company which fund/hire developer specifically to develop/maintain Electrum? We know there are many company help fund Bitcoin Core development[1].

Electrum does not accept donation and the code is maintained by anyone who wants to contribute to it. They aren't paid for their efforts.

Electrum guys own a registered company and run service called TrustedCoin[1] (registered in 2013 in San Francisco) which is used in the 2FA wallet types which you can create using Electrum software.

For concerned/curious reader like, here are few reference i found
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1738501.msg17392386#msg17392386
https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/7049#issuecomment-784166442



[1] https://blog.bitmex.com/who-funds-bitcoin-development/
1004  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Jakarta is in a pollution emergency, Is it caused by crypto mining? on: September 07, 2023, 11:42:32 AM
And, sadly I heard also on my social media local that this pollution is also caused by crypto-mining,

It's probably just cryptocurrency hater. Electricity price in Indonesia[1] isn't low/attractive for miners, unless they manage to obtain recent type of Bitcoin ASIC. Besides, AFAIK there's no data which shows many miners comes from Indonesian (let alone Jakarta).

So what do you though, is crypto mining become a big problem of pollution?

No, the actual problem is how the electricity is generated.

[1] https://www.mrfixitbali.com/electrical/electricity-supply/electricity-cost-Indonesia-240.html
1005  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Summarizing issues in the bitcoin community and how to address them. on: September 06, 2023, 12:26:16 PM
I think developers should find side-chain solutions for Ordinals to be used just for that.... it will reduce "dust" on-chain and it can alleviate congestion in the Mempool.  Tongue

Such solution already exist even before Ordinal gaining popularity. For starter, take a look at Liquid and RSK. But sidechain is generally unpopular, even among Bitcoin enthusiast.

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If you are miner

  • Check the possibility of reducing a little the priority to those dust transactions in any case the mempool is full of legit transactions that are also paying fees.
I don't think the miner will consider this because they will see on the different perspective.

ViaBTC actually does that[1] with some limitation. Although it's possible their main goal isn't community service, but rather promote their pool and offer their paid service.

[1] https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
1006  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: World's fastest and simplest block parser for those who (only) need all HASH160 on: September 06, 2023, 11:55:37 AM
Assuming you're in the terminal and the ~/blocks folder, just:

Code:
cat blk00000.dat| xxd -p | grep -oE '1976a914[0-9a-f]{40}88ac' | sed 's/1976a914//;s/88ac//' | sort -u > P2PKH-unique00000.txt

It shouldn't take longer than 1-2 seconds per .dat file, even on an old budget computer.

I tried the command and the result seems to be correct from quick check. It's also fast, although i use SSD and my computer isn't very old either. And since i'm not familiar with blk file structure, do you think there's possibility of false positive?

Yeah, about the title. I think this is the world's fastest and simplest solution; I will, of course, change it when/if proven wrong.

Although i bet some low level programmer would take your statement as challenge to build something faster Tongue.
1007  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: 14 Bitcoin Software Wallets, compared feature by feature on: September 05, 2023, 12:58:36 PM
Your website looks good. Few thoughts,

1. IMO width of column which contain wallet name could be smaller in order to show more column.
2. "Left button" and "Right button" for easier navigation doesn't show when i scroll down my browser. For referecne, i tried it with Tor Browser.
3. It's nice to see whether wallet support Bitcoin Signet (since it's less known than testnet3). Although IMO Liquid doesn't have to be mentioned since Bitcoin side-chain generally isn't popular, even among Bitcoin enthusiast.
4. Electrum doesn't create BIP 39 12/24 words, but rather Electrum Seed (see https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/seedphrase.html) so "12 words seed creation" for Electrum should be updated.
1008  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Safely using lightning RPC via VPS? on: September 03, 2023, 10:05:04 AM
Hetzner's ToS and above cited comment on Reddit are a bit vague and I read it that they disallow anything related to mining and maybe Ethereum in particular because of the Tornado Cash turmoil. I don't see issues with running a Bitcoin or Lightning node on Hetzner, though. To be clear, I'm not affiliated in any way with Hetzner.

But if you visit reddit link i mentioned and click either "Single comment thread " or "See full discussion", you'll see that Hetzner respoding to someone who ask following question,

Would be great to get an official comment.. I want to run 1 or maybe 2 nodes and thats it. No mining, etc.

So i'd say it's rather very risky action.



A non-trivial number of Lightning nodes seems to be hosted at Hetzner according to figures at e.g. https://mempool.space/graphs/lightning/nodes-per-isp.

I'm aware of such fact. And IMO it's rather risky if people who do that are doing business which accept LN as payment.

--snip Hetzner ToS--

The same "operation of applications for mining crypto currencies is prohibited" is repeated at a few more spots at Hetzner's legal statements. I interpret this that you can ignore this in the context of operating a Lighning node in particular.

I get your point. But someone also report it's simply not stated explicitly on their ToS. Check https://stacker.news/items/72128.
1009  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Are Taproot addresses less secure than native Segwit? on: September 02, 2023, 10:38:07 AM
I am also a fool and want to ask and this could be more out of topic, so the question is there a possibility to change the current Bitcoin address format

It's definitely possible. In addition, Bech32/Bech32m makes it easier since which can be seen with SegWit (bc1q...) and Taproot (bc1p...).

and make it easier like happens on Ethereum chain with their ENS system so it can be like dansus021.btc or that gonna possible in layer 2

RGB[1] and Taproot Assets[2] which utilize Lighning Network might do the job, although i barely know how it works. But even though Bitcoin itself doesn't have name service system, people already attempt to do that on Bitcoin blockchain. For example, Sats Names[3] utilize Ordinals to do that.

and secondly is there any centralized exchange that accept taproot address because i saw binance has address for native segwit, lightning and regular address

For starter, check https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bech32_adoption#Exchanges under column "Receive to P2TR". But you also need to check whether they can generate new deposit address for existing user.

[1] https://rgb.info/
[2] https://docs.lightning.engineering/the-lightning-network/taproot-assets
[3] https://docs.satsnames.org/sats-names/about
1010  Other / Archival / Re: WasabiWallet.io | Open-source, non-custodial Bitcoin Wallet for desktop on: September 01, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
Now, Kruw, hold up! You are about to write: 'But but but you can run your own coordinator!!'. I know.
It should be easy to understand how that's a stupid answer to address our concerns.
1) Any other user connecting to my coordinator won't be able to know that I'm not doing shady stuff (like zkSNACKS), therefore not solving the issue on an existential level.
2) Having many coordinators will create many very small anonymity sets, which is way worse than one big set of anonymous UTXOs. I don't think you disagree with this.

It's also worth to mention average user wouldn't know Wasabi wallet can be configured to use different coordinator, let alone existence of different coordinator. IIRC you need to edit configuration file manually.

i have not followed the discussion regarding this topic and do not have time to look through everything now Tongue
but could you tell me what happened and why you should now avoid the wasabi wallet?

In short, it comes down to how zkSNACKs (company behind Wasabi wallet) decide to blacklist certain UTXO[1] with help of blockchain analysis service/company[2]. And IMO it's also worth to mention CoinJoin is enabled/executed by default[3].

But as for wallet itself, IMO it's definitely better than some Bitcoin wallet out there (assuming they don't perform other form of action which could harm privacy outside it's CoinJoin feature CoinJoin server run by zkSNACKs).

[1] https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/
[2] https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/wasabi-wallet-explains-new-bitcoin-censorship
[3] https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/CoinJoin.html#automatically-start-coinjoin
1011  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: What happened to Coinomi? on: August 31, 2023, 10:09:05 AM
Their subreddit paints a similarly bleak picture: https://www.reddit.com/r/coinomi. Lots of posts of people being unable to spend coins, unable to sync, getting a variety of error messages, etc. The comment section for each of those posts is just filled with spam.
Similar thing happen on their play store (Android) if you sort it's review by newest date. Although Coinomi still have 4.5 stars and play store decide to show old review with 4-5 stars.

That happens if you select 'Most Relevant', with "Most Recent" new ones appear.

I know that. My point is user who don't bother check all/recent review would be deceived with what play store shown by default (4.5 stars and review with 4-5 stars).

For Monero, I don't need to keep it on mobile. That was only out of convenience, not because I need it on the go. So Monerujo won't work. I tried the full wallet once (on a server), and it's much more resource intensive than Bitcoin Core, so that's not an option either.
If you don't want to run your own node, then why not just use the GUI wallet from https://www.getmonero.org/ and connect to a third party node?

Based on my short experience, Feather have better performance/sync time than GUI wallet from getmonero.org though.
1012  Other / Archival / Re: WasabiWallet.io | Open-source, non-custodial Bitcoin Wallet for desktop on: August 30, 2023, 12:28:35 PM
Again, I would like to warn everyone viewing this thread about the serial scammers who are trying to trick you into depositing your coins into their "mixing sites".  

--snip--

It's not like those people ask people to choose mixers shown on their signature rather than Wasabi wallet. And FWIW, different CoinJoin implementation such as JoinMarket, SNICKER, WhirlPool and PayJoin also exist.
1013  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Are Taproot addresses less secure than native Segwit? on: August 30, 2023, 11:31:16 AM
2. All hash-based addresses could be spent, if the public key is revealed (so if a transaction is in mempool, or if there were previous transactions in past blocks). If the public key is unknown, then those coins will be unaffected.

IMO it's also worth to mention that about half of top 100 richest Bitcoin address[1] have it's public key exposed (based on "Outs" amount). So there's no reason to target Taproot address specifically.


Quote
Are the assumptions correct or do I have a misconception somewhere?
Yes, they are correct.

So wouldn't it be smarter for me to use native Segwit addresses if I don't need any of the Taproot functionality (except for the future fee savings)?

Maybe yes if you,
1. Actually believe people who could break secp256k1 with intention to steal Bitcoin would after your coin first rather than other address which hold more coin[1].
2. Don't re-use SegWit address after it's public key exposed.
3. Care about few vB difference between SegWit and Taproot[2].

[1] https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html[/url]
[2] https://bitcoinops.org/en/tools/calc-size/
1014  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: What happened to Coinomi? on: August 29, 2023, 12:31:42 PM
Their subreddit paints a similarly bleak picture: https://www.reddit.com/r/coinomi. Lots of posts of people being unable to spend coins, unable to sync, getting a variety of error messages, etc. The comment section for each of those posts is just filled with spam.

Similar thing happen on their play store (Android) if you sort it's review by newest date. Although Coinomi still have 4.5 stars and play store decide to show old review with 4-5 stars.

I would say it's a good result all round that the wallet has collapsed. A closed source wallet which sends seed phrases over the internet in plain text to Google has no right to continue to exist. I would suggest everyone uses their back ups to sweep their coins to a better wallet.
Any suggestions which multicoin wallet to use instead? One of the main reasons I'm still using Coinomi is because I have had it installed for years. I don't like installing new software (because every app can be a risk). But I guess it's time to move on.

I remember you mention you have hardware wallet. Default software which comes with hardware wallet usually support many altcoin. So if my memory is correct, why don't you just use that hardware wallet?
1015  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain Analytics is More of an Art Than Science on: August 29, 2023, 10:03:06 AM
Instead, Chainalysis reportedly judges its software’s accuracy using customer feedback, she said.

This is ridiculous. Customer usually expect or assume analysis would be accurate enough. In addition, on some cases customer have no way to verify whether the analysis result is accurate or not. I hope more people switch to wallet with better privacy feature to make their analysis become even less useful than now.

Such softwares used for tracing addresses only instigate stress on a victim that got scammed or lost their coin.

It's not the only reason to use blockchain analytic service though. For example, many such service claim their service is useful to help comply with law.
1016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Running full node on a thin client device on: August 29, 2023, 09:01:57 AM
And talking about VPS, you also need to more careful about being "noisy neighbor".
I created a topic about a cheap pay by the hour VPS provider a couple months ago, and paid about half a dollar for a full IBD (with pruning). They're throttling CPU at that price, but it avoids being kicked off as a noisy neighbor. It just gets slower, unless you pay more.

I've seen your thread. While trotting CPU seems to be common outcome, i recall people mention few provider give warning about either upgrade to more expensive plan or switch to dedicated server with threat their VPS could be terminated if they don't do so.

VPS prices have been dropping faster than the blockchain is growing, so I don't expect memory load to ever be a problem again.

That's true. If people don't mind using unpopular provider, there are few provider who offer >= 500GB storage for less than $20/month.

In fact, 1 GB is at least required.

Which is outdated. Since it mention 340GB blockchain size, it was probably last updated during middle of 2021[1]. Between that we see ~1.5x UTXO[2] and average block size[3] growth. I expect there would be noticeable performance difference with only 1GB of RAM.

[1] https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/charts/blockchain-size
[2] https://statoshi.info/d/000000009/unspent-transaction-output-set?orgId=1&from=1619827200000&to=now&viewPanel=6&refresh=5s
[3] https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/charts/average-block-size
1017  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Querying the blockchain with SQL databases on: August 27, 2023, 12:13:56 PM
That's interesting, i didn't know Google had public dataset including Bitcoin blockchain.

Carried out a search on some SQL programs that can query the blockchain, Saw Abe, but it required that I download bitcoin core, which wasn't what I needed. Knew of some RPC commands that people who run full nodes can use to retrieve data on the blockchain. So I checked out bigquery, read it on a PDF, a google product that has some bitcoin datasets, with two tables blocks and transaction, including interval structures stored in columns; TXin & txout of a transaction, stored in the inputs and outputs columns of the transactions respectively.

There are other platform to do that (such as https://www.dolthub.com/repositories/web3/bitcoin/data/main), but they no longer update their data.

This retrieves different addresses with the amount of bitcoin contained in them, but the numbers didn't look realistic at first, like this 5502219754649, then I copied one address: bc1qjasf9z3h7w3jspkhtgatgpyvvzgpa2wwd2lr0eh5tx44reyn2k7sfc27a4 searched on blockchain explorer and found that the digits doesn't have a decimal point that separates the number, though correct. It looked this way on block explorer 55022.19754649 Tried out different queries, which I may not post because I didn't understand the results, didn't stop loading or too long to share.

FYI, Bitcoin full node software which was initially written by Satoshi (now called Bitcoin Core) use int64_t to store amount of satoshi. So it's realistic/not weird to see other platform also store amount of satoshi under the hood.
1018  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Ninjastic.space: which features would you like to see? on: August 27, 2023, 10:19:24 AM
Based on my thread about growing SEO spam[1], is it possible to add more filter on post/thread search option?
1. Contain link.
2. Using small font.
3. Using weird/bright color. For example "beige" or "#FFFFFF".
4. Created by user with specific current rank.

If those feature are available, we might able to catch more SEO spammer. Other than, maybe you should mentioning existence of your API on your homepage. I forget you offer API until i re-read ANN thread.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463789.0
1019  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [INFO - DISCUSSION] Witness Discount on: August 26, 2023, 10:22:19 AM
Few thoughts,
1. On comic row 3, column 2 it's said "No, they are restricted by Block weight". I guess nobody use term "discount factor"[1] these days which IMO more accurate since the factor determine maximum block weight and weight calculation of TX/block.
2. For notice 2, this block serve as good example https://mempool.space/block/0000000000000000000515e202c8ae73c8155fc472422d7593af87aa74f2cf3d.

[1] https://medium.com/segwit-co/why-a-discount-factor-of-4-why-not-2-or-8-bbcebe91721e
1020  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: August 26, 2023, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: ETFbitcoin
It's also worth to mention pace of UTXO growth remain unchanged since Ordinal-based token become popular[1]. Few months ago i mentioned massive UTXO growth at ~102.5 million UTXO[2], but now we're looking at 119.9 million UTXO[1].
When someone makes a monkey on bitcoin ordinals, does that increase the size of the utxo set though? I didn't think the monkey got stored in the utxo set...

Ordinal data indeed isn't stored on UTXO set. But,
1. There are so many new Ordinal inscription created.
2. When you create new inscription, Ordinal create 2 TX. 2nd TX usually have 1 input and 2 output. 1 input refer to "monkey" (arbitrary data) and 2 output which rerepsent change address and new UTXO which represent ownership of that Ordinals.
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