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[cygan]

i have posted the wasabi update, but unfortunately i use another desktop/mobile Bitcoin wallet.

I'd rephrase that as: 'fortunately I use another ...'
Have you missed the discussion and issues raised with this wallet?

maybe you use the wasabi wallet and could tell us your impression after the update?

I'd highly advise against downloading this wallet.
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i have not followed the discussion regarding this topic and do not have time to look through everything now
but could you tell me what happened and why you should now avoid the wasabi wallet?

if it should have serious consequences for the users, i will definitely not post any new updates/releases here in the future.

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[ABCbits]

Now, Kruw, hold up! You are about to write: 'But but but you can run your own coordinator!!'. I know.
It should be easy to understand how that's a stupid answer to address our concerns.
1) Any other user connecting to my coordinator won't be able to know that I'm not doing shady stuff (like zkSNACKS), therefore not solving the issue on an existential level.
2) Having many coordinators will create many very small anonymity sets, which is way worse than one big set of anonymous UTXOs. I don't think you disagree with this.

It's also worth to mention average user wouldn't know Wasabi wallet can be configured to use different coordinator, let alone existence of different coordinator. IIRC you need to edit configuration file manually.

i have not followed the discussion regarding this topic and do not have time to look through everything now
but could you tell me what happened and why you should now avoid the wasabi wallet?

In short, it comes down to how zkSNACKs (company behind Wasabi wallet) decide to blacklist certain UTXO[1] with help of blockchain analysis service/company[2]. And IMO it's also worth to mention CoinJoin is enabled/executed by default[3].

But as for wallet itself, IMO it's definitely better than some Bitcoin wallet out there (assuming they don't perform other form of action which could harm privacy outside it's CoinJoin feature CoinJoin server run by zkSNACKs).

[1] https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/
[2] https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/wasabi-wallet-explains-new-bitcoin-censorship
[3] https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/CoinJoin.html#automatically-start-coinjoin

[Kruw]

Several posts in this and some other threads do give off the appearance of being thinly veiled attempts to promote competing privacy services. It seems odd that people who advertised failed mixer after failed mixer are so laser focused on Wasabi. Custodial mixers aren’t held to nearly the same standard despite having a much higher risk of losing money. It is only natural to question people’s motivations when attacking one service but ignoring or downplaying glaring problems with custodial mixers.

Excellent explanation. After already stealing coins from Bitcointalk users with their two previous mixing sites "Chipmixer" and "Whirlwind.Money", BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o are being paid up to $6 per post to lure victims from Bitcointalk into their newest "Mixing Site" scam, [banned mixer]:

Sr/Hero/Legendary: $6/Post (avatar + signature + personal text)
Sr/Hero/Legendary: $1/Post (avatar + personal text)

If we stop advertising products that might turn out to be scams in the future, then there is nothing left to advertise.

They would rather promote scams as long as they get a share of the profit than promote open source software that protects your privacy.

We do know that zkSNACKS coordinator submits data to blockchain analysis companies, but we don't know which ones they are and what criteria are used for excluding people from CoinJoins.

This is a lie.  Coordinators cannot submit any data to blockchain analysis companies because coordinators cannot collect any data from Wasabi users.

Now, Kruw, hold up! You are about to write: 'But but but you can run your own coordinator!!'. I know.
It should be easy to understand how that's a stupid answer to address our concerns.
1) Any other user connecting to my coordinator won't be able to know that I'm not doing shady stuff (like zkSNACKS), therefore not solving the issue on an existential level.

Your issue is solved on an existential level: Wasabi users never have to trust coordinators.

Questioning is one thing; accusations without proof are different.

I've already provided the proof of mixing sites being scams and of users in this thread being paid to lure victims from Bitcointalk to these sites:

I'm really pissed off, and not because I lost money; fortunately, I had grasped that "don't leave coins to third parties" cliché. I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.

If you don't believe me, just look at the past 40 pages of posts on this thread.  You'll see it FILLED with scammers advertising "Mixing Services" trying to trick Wasabi users into giving up their coins and privacy.

I believe the difference is that with custodial mixers we know about the risks and issues, they aren't trying to hide them or anything. We are all aware of 'not your keys, not your coins'. If we still choose to use a centralized mixer, it means we made an informed decision to hand over custody for a certain amount of time.

BlackHatCoiner has been lying to people by saying giving up custody is a REQUIREMENT for gaining privacy:

I'm very much aware of the shit coming from the cryptocurrency space. Nonetheless, there exist legit services which require you to forfeit custody, and you'll have to grasp that part.

But that's the price you have to pay when you trust your coins to some stranger. You may never get them back.

Of course, this is a lie BlackHatCoiner is trying to spread so he can scam more people since coinjoins are completely non custodial.  When you coinjoin with Wasabi, you never have to forfeit anything or trust your coins with anyone.

You're defending what you're believing. Emotions run strong but red font warnings aren't necessary.

It's not a "belief", it's "proof".  These scammers have been already been caught red handed using this thread for MONTHS to steal money from Bitcointalk users with their mixing site scams "Chipmixer" and "Whirlwind.Money".

They are never to be trusted again.

Spying on transactions isn't going to gain trust zkSNACKs trust from the masses.

You don't have to trust zkSNACKs, the entire point of Wasabi Wallet is that it is trustless software.

But as for wallet itself, IMO it's definitely better than some Bitcoin wallet out there (assuming they don't perform other form of action which could harm privacy outside it's CoinJoin feature).

Coinjoin does not harm a user's privacy.

[dkbit98]

Excellent explanation. After already stealing coins from Bitcointalk users with their two previous mixing sites "Chipmixer" and "Whirlwind.Money", BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o are being paid up to $6 per post to lure victims from Bitcointalk into their newest "Mixing Site" scam, [banned mixer]

Oh so you have a crystal ball and special powers and you know this website is a scam?!
I thought before that some of the things you said made sense, but with this statement you pretty much ruined your reputation.
I never went on witch hunting campaign against Wasabi wallet, but I also don't support them working with company that supports censorship on blokchain.

You have zero profs for your claims and if you can accuse someone for publicly promoting a ''scam'' that never happened, than I can also say that you are paid by Wasabi&zkSNACKs for promoting and defending them.
Unless you provide some evidence I will have to ignore you for spreading fake news.

If you don't believe me, just look at the past 40 pages of posts on this thread.  You'll see it FILLED with scammers advertising "Mixing Services" trying to trick Wasabi users into giving up their coins and privacy.

Paranoid nonsense BS  
So now you are accusing everyone with mixer signature for being a scammers, again without single proof for your claims.
You are clearly spreading lies and propaganda for wasabi wallet.

[Kruw]

Excellent explanation. After already stealing coins from Bitcointalk users with their two previous mixing sites "Chipmixer" and "Whirlwind.Money", BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o are being paid up to $6 per post to lure victims from Bitcointalk into their newest "Mixing Site" scam, [banned mixer]

Oh so you have a crystal ball and special powers and you know this website is a scam?!
I thought before that some of the things you said made sense, but with this statement you pretty much ruined your reputation.
I never went on witch hunting campaign against Wasabi wallet, but I also don't support them working with company that supports censorship on blokchain.

You have zero profs for your claims and if you can accuse someone for publicly promoting a ''scam'' that never happened, than I can also say that you are paid by Wasabi&zkSNACKs for promoting and defending them.
Unless you provide some evidence I will have to ignore you for spreading fake news.

Ignore me then, I don't care.  This thread is for Bitcoiners who want to preserve their privacy, not for people who want to trust third parties:

THE "[banned mixer]" SCAM SAYS IT "runs a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm" AND "reserves the right to suspend or terminate access to services at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever" AND CAN "suspend or terminate services over an actual or suspected violation of these Terms and Conditions".

[n0nce]

i have not followed the discussion regarding this topic and do not have time to look through everything now

Totally understandable!

but could you tell me what happened and why you should now avoid the wasabi wallet?

I believe ETFbitcoin summarized it well. I even reached out to them directly, when they announced this change; their replies are in the following dedicated thread's start post, which should tell you all you need to know.
Wasabi blacklisting update - open letter / 24 questions discussion thread

if it should have serious consequences for the users, i will definitely not post any new updates/releases here in the future.

Do feel free to post whatever you want; it just gave me the impression you're a Wasabi user yourself and wanted to inform you about this ongoing issue with this service.

We do know that zkSNACKS coordinator submits data to blockchain analysis companies, but we don't know which ones they are and what criteria are used for excluding people from CoinJoins.

This is a lie.  Coordinators cannot submit any data to blockchain analysis companies because coordinators cannot collect any data from Wasabi users.

If you claim my statement is a lie, you have to claim that zkSNACKS does not collaborate with blockchain analysis companies, which they themselves admit publicly, repeatedly!! This is getting hilarious.

Your issue is solved on an existential level: Wasabi users never have to trust coordinators.

They do have to trust that a coordinator does not send their addresses to blockchain analysis companies. zkSNACKS, for example, openly admits to doing that.
Other coordinators may claim not to do that (hence you recommended switching to such coordinators), but there is no way of knowing for sure, which means we need to trust their words. That is the trust I am talking about.

You were probably trying to deflect and argue that you don't entrust your coins with zkSNACKS, since it's not a custodial wallet. But this is not the trust that I have been talking about, and you know that damn well, you bloody bastard.

I've already provided the proof of mixing sites being scams and of users in this thread being paid to lure victims from Bitcointalk to these sites:

That's not proof, absolutely not.
1) Correlation != causation.
2) That is not nearly enough (if any) proof that these services are / were not created in good faith with the aim to provide legitimately good services for their users.

BlackHatCoiner has been lying to people by saying giving up custody is a REQUIREMENT for gaining privacy:

I'm very much aware of the shit coming from the cryptocurrency space. Nonetheless, there exist legit services which require you to forfeit custody, and you'll have to grasp that part.

That's not what he said. Do you have issues with reading comprehension or something? Read your quote again.
'There exist' != 'is a REQUIREMENT'

You don't have to trust zkSNACKs, the entire point of Wasabi Wallet is that it is trustless software.

I mentioned it above. We're not talking about 'trustless because self-custody', we are talking about trusting in the good faith of the developers, i.e. what they are doing with the data the client submits to their server and the direction they are going to lead this wallet in the future.

Ignore me then, I don't care.  This thread is for Bitcoiners who want to preserve their privacy, not for people who want to trust third parties:

THE "[banned mixer]" SCAM SAYS IT "runs a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm" AND "reserves the right to suspend or terminate access to services at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever" AND CAN "suspend or terminate services over an actual or suspected violation of these Terms and Conditions".

That's pretty fucked up. But that's basically exactly the same thing zkSNACKS is doing, are you aware of it?

[Kruw]

If you claim my statement is a lie, you have to claim that zkSNACKS does not collaborate with blockchain analysis companies, which they themselves admit publicly, repeatedly!! This is getting hilarious.

Please provide one instance of zkSNACKs publicly admitting they provide data to blockchain analysis companies.

[n0nce]

If you claim my statement is a lie, you have to claim that zkSNACKS does not collaborate with blockchain analysis companies, which they themselves admit publicly, repeatedly!! This is getting hilarious.

Please provide one instance of zkSNACKs publicly admitting they provide data to blockchain analysis companies.

3 PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES and COIN FILTERING
==========================================

    You agree that You will not use the Services to perform any type of illegal activity of any sort or to take any action that adversely affects the performance of or the provision by the Service Provider of the Services. Furthermore, You agree that You will not use the Services on Bitcoin that is created, received or given in exchange for, or as a result of, any type of illegal activity.
    Use of the Services in a manner contrary to local law is generally prohibited.

    The prohibition of this paragraph includes, but is not limited to, the following prohibited activities:
     - sales of narcotics, research chemicals or any controlled substances;
     - items that infringe or violate any intellectual property rights such as copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, or patents;
     - ammunition, firearms, explosives (including fireworks), or weapons regulated under applicable law;
     - transactions that show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law;
     - transactions that support pyramid, Ponzi, or other "get rich quick" schemes;
     - provide credit repair or debt settlement services;
     - explicit sexual content;
     - money laundering or any support thereof.

    You agree that You will not engage in any of the following activities via the Services, nor will You help or facilitate a third party to engage in any such activity:
     - attempt to gain unauthorized access to our Coordinator;
     - make any attempt to bypass or circumvent any security features;
     - violate any law, statute, ordinance, regulation or court order;
     - engage in any activity that is abusive or interferes with or disrupts our Services.

    If You find any reason to violate the law during Your transaction (for example, in a transaction with a third party), please let us know at one of the contacts listed at the end of this document.
    The Service Provider shall assist the investigation in any case, if so instructed by an authorized body, a final court judgment or a final regulatory decision.

    COIN FILTERING

    zkSNACKs Ltd. may execute illicit activity checking and control via a contracted third party solely in its CoinJoin coordination services. zkSNACKs Ltd. may suspend your UTXOs’ access to the CoinJoin services, with immediate effect for any reason - including but not limited to illicit or prohibited activities, applicable sanctions programs, or any crime or money-laundering activity - at its sole discretion and is under no obligation to disclose the details of its decision to take such action with you. In this case you are not permitted to use the relevant/high-risk bitcoin UTXO to reach the CoinJoin services.
    You acknowledge that zkSNACKs Ltd.'s decision to take certain actions, including suspending for any reason at our sole discretion, may be based on confidential criteria that are essential to zkSNACKs Ltd.'s risk management and security protocols. You agree that zkSNACKs Ltd. is under no obligation to disclose the details of its risk management and security procedures to you.
    Your access with the relevant bitcoin UTXOs to the CoinJoin services will be permanently suspended.

I find it funny that you, nopara and others have tried to fight for us to separate between Wasabi (wallet) and zkSNACKS (company), meanwhile they put legal disclaimers that theoretically refer only to the company and their own coordinator, in the actual wallet's source code...

[Kruw]

If you claim my statement is a lie, you have to claim that zkSNACKS does not collaborate with blockchain analysis companies, which they themselves admit publicly, repeatedly!! This is getting hilarious.

Please provide one instance of zkSNACKs publicly admitting they provide data to blockchain analysis companies.

3 PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES and COIN FILTERING
==========================================

    You agree that You will not use the Services to perform any type of illegal activity of any sort or to take any action that adversely affects the performance of or the provision by the Service Provider of the Services. Furthermore, You agree that You will not use the Services on Bitcoin that is created, received or given in exchange for, or as a result of, any type of illegal activity.
    Use of the Services in a manner contrary to local law is generally prohibited.

    The prohibition of this paragraph includes, but is not limited to, the following prohibited activities:
     - sales of narcotics, research chemicals or any controlled substances;
     - items that infringe or violate any intellectual property rights such as copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, or patents;
     - ammunition, firearms, explosives (including fireworks), or weapons regulated under applicable law;
     - transactions that show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law;
     - transactions that support pyramid, Ponzi, or other "get rich quick" schemes;
     - provide credit repair or debt settlement services;
     - explicit sexual content;
     - money laundering or any support thereof.

    You agree that You will not engage in any of the following activities via the Services, nor will You help or facilitate a third party to engage in any such activity:
     - attempt to gain unauthorized access to our Coordinator;
     - make any attempt to bypass or circumvent any security features;
     - violate any law, statute, ordinance, regulation or court order;
     - engage in any activity that is abusive or interferes with or disrupts our Services.

    If You find any reason to violate the law during Your transaction (for example, in a transaction with a third party), please let us know at one of the contacts listed at the end of this document.
    The Service Provider shall assist the investigation in any case, if so instructed by an authorized body, a final court judgment or a final regulatory decision.

    COIN FILTERING

    zkSNACKs Ltd. may execute illicit activity checking and control via a contracted third party solely in its CoinJoin coordination services. zkSNACKs Ltd. may suspend your UTXOs’ access to the CoinJoin services, with immediate effect for any reason - including but not limited to illicit or prohibited activities, applicable sanctions programs, or any crime or money-laundering activity - at its sole discretion and is under no obligation to disclose the details of its decision to take such action with you. In this case you are not permitted to use the relevant/high-risk bitcoin UTXO to reach the CoinJoin services.
    You acknowledge that zkSNACKs Ltd.'s decision to take certain actions, including suspending for any reason at our sole discretion, may be based on confidential criteria that are essential to zkSNACKs Ltd.'s risk management and security protocols. You agree that zkSNACKs Ltd. is under no obligation to disclose the details of its risk management and security procedures to you.
    Your access with the relevant bitcoin UTXOs to the CoinJoin services will be permanently suspended.

I find it funny that you, nopara and others have tried to fight for us to separate between Wasabi (wallet) and zkSNACKS (company), meanwhile they put legal disclaimers that theoretically refer only to the company and their own coordinator, in the actual wallet's source code...

So you were proven to be lying when you claimed that the zkSNACKS coordinator submits data to blockchain analysis companies since you were not able to provide even a single instance of zkSNACKs collecting data. You skipped right past the zkSNACKs privacy policy that explicitly says they cannot collect any data:

=========================================
II. PRIVACY POLICY
=========================================

    This policy describes the ways zkSNACKs collects, stores, uses and protects personal information. The purpose of this policy is to ensure that zkSNACKs complies with applicable European Union (EU) and other statutory data protection laws and regulations, and ensures that users are provided privacy protection.
    Data protection laws are generally relevant in case any processing of personal data is concerned. The terms used within the scope of this data protection declaration are defined in and by the General Data Protection Regulation of the European Union. As such, the wide definition of "processing" of personal data means any operation or set of operations performed on personal data.

Personally Identifiable Information
===================================

    “Personally identifiable information” (“personal information”) is any information that can be directly associated with a specific person and can be used to identify that person. A prime example of identifiable information is a person’s name.

Handling Information
====================

   Since we are working on privacy, and our mission is to regain personal privacy, our Services are designed to be used without indication of any personal data. For this reason we do not have any kind of data collecting solutions built into our products. There may only be one personal data processing in our Service, for customer support in case of technical problems: visitors may, indicate their email addresses voluntarily to get notifications in case of any potential technical problems or other inquiries. These e-mail addresses are solely used to answer users’ questions and are erased after 100 days. In this case, the processing of the data is based on a freely given consent to Article 6 (1) (a) of the GDPR and is aimed at the effective handling of the complaint.
    We use GitHub as the main platform for users’ technical questions and issues, and we do not retain any data that can be subsequently identified / associated with the user.
   We expressly declare that we do not manage or store any other personally identifiable information.
    By visiting the Website and using our Services, You agree with this policy, in accordance with Section 1.2 of the Terms and Conditions

All User Information is Confidential
====================================

    Because we cannot link Your wallet and Your personal information (such as Your name and IP address) provided under the Service, Your personal information is safe and cannot be accessed by our staff or third parties.
    zkSNACKs will protect processed data in the customer Service process adequately against unauthorized access (of third parties) in accordance with the provisions of the legal framework of Republic of Seychelles. We will only process data which are essential to provide our Services. Data will not be used or stored by other means than set out in this document and are made accessible only to a restricted and necessary number of persons. We do not transfer any personal data to third parties.
    All employees of zkSNACKs have been informed about applicable data protection provisions as well as data security measures and are bound to our privacy practices. All staff are bound by confidentiality agreements.

Use of Cookies
==============

    A cookie is a small piece of data that a website asks Your browser to store on Your computer or mobile device. The cookie allows the website to “remember” Your actions or preferences over time.
   We expressly declare that we do not use cookies.

Of course, you never have to trust zkSNACKs that they do not collect any data since the Wasabi client itself prevents any coordinator from collecting any data, which you can verify since it is entirely open source, just like Bitcoin itself! 

[Wind_FURY]

Excellent explanation. After already stealing coins from Bitcointalk users with their two previous mixing sites "Chipmixer" and "Whirlwind.Money", BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o are being paid up to $6 per post to lure victims from Bitcointalk into their newest "Mixing Site" scam, [banned mixer]

Oh so you have a crystal ball and special powers and you know this website is a scam?!
I thought before that some of the things you said made sense, but with this statement you pretty much ruined your reputation.
I never went on witch hunting campaign against Wasabi wallet, but I also don't support them working with company that supports censorship on blokchain.

You have zero profs for your claims and if you can accuse someone for publicly promoting a ''scam'' that never happened, than I can also say that you are paid by Wasabi&zkSNACKs for promoting and defending them.
Unless you provide some evidence I will have to ignore you for spreading fake news.

Ignore me then, I don't care.  This thread is for Bitcoiners who want to preserve their privacy, not for people who want to trust third parties:

THE "[banned mixer]" SCAM SAYS IT "runs a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm" AND "reserves the right to suspend or terminate access to services at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever" AND CAN "suspend or terminate services over an actual or suspected violation of these Terms and Conditions".

 

Like WasabiWallet, [banned mixer] merely accepted the trade-offs to protect their company from the tyrannical nature of the government, AND protect their users from having their UTXOs mixed with "tainted outputs". YOU should understand WHY they did it most of all.

[Kruw]

Like WasabiWallet, [banned mixer] merely accepted the trade-offs to protect their company from the tyrannical nature of the government, AND protect their users from having their UTXOs mixed with "tainted outputs". YOU should understand WHY they did it most of all.

You don't protect your users by collecting their data and taking their coins.  Bitcoiners deserve better than being scammed by mixing sites.  They deserve open source software that never requires you to trust anyone:  Wasabi Wallet.

[Wind_FURY]

Like WasabiWallet, [banned mixer] merely accepted the trade-offs to protect their company from the tyrannical nature of the government, AND protect their users from having their UTXOs mixed with "tainted outputs". YOU should understand WHY they did it most of all.

You don't protect your users by collecting their data and taking their coins. 

No, IF you're a criminal who used the service, THEN by law, as a centralized entity they're forced to hold your coins. NOT TAKE, hold. Mere trade-offs taken by Mixtum.

Bitcoiners deserve better than being scammed by mixing sites.  They deserve open source software that never requires you to trust anyone:  Wasabi Wallet.

You say it's a scam. But has it scammed?

I said it to people who were talking bad about Wasabi before, and I'll tell you the same. If you don't like or trust a software/service, then the solution is simple - Don't use it.

[Kruw]

No, IF you're a criminal who used the service, THEN by law, as a centralized entity they're forced to hold your coins. NOT TAKE, hold. Mere trade-offs taken by Mixtum.

Framing loss of custody as a "trade-off" is dishonest since there is no benefit to the user for having their data collected and coins taken.

You say it's a scam. But has it scammed?

You can stop feigning disbelief that mixing sites are scamming their users, you are well aware of this since you gained 0.31150000 BTC as your share from promoting Chipmixer:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg19291440#msg19291440

[cygan]

✂️
In short, it comes down to how zkSNACKs (company behind Wasabi wallet) decide to blacklist certain UTXO[1] with help of blockchain analysis service/company[2]. And IMO it's also worth to mention CoinJoin is enabled/executed by default[3].
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[3] https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/CoinJoin.html#automatically-start-coinjoin

a contradiction in terms, isn't it? if you take the slogan from wasabi: 'reclaim your privacy'
addressing the coinjoin issue...

[Kruw]

a contradiction in terms, isn't it? if you take the slogan from wasabi: 'reclaim your privacy'
addressing the coinjoin issue...

Coinjoins allow you to regain your privacy, I don't see where there's any contradiction.

[cygan]

a contradiction in terms, isn't it? if you take the slogan from wasabi: 'reclaim your privacy'
addressing the coinjoin issue...

Coinjoins allow you to regain your privacy, I don't see where there's any contradiction.

i have referred to the post from ETFbitcoin ... have added this again in my previous post

[BlackHatCoiner]

Reclaim your privacy by funding the Orwellian eyes! 

[Pmalek]

@Kruw
I am really glad you are showing this immature and childish side of you. Those thinking of using Wasabi coinjoins with malicious coordinators should take note of this. If they have any criticism or complains about the service, they can expect finger-pointing at other services and criticism of how they are doing things. Thanks for making that clear to anyone.

Here is a scenario of how Kruw would deal with customer complaints.

Unsatisfied user:
Hi,
I installed Wasabi wallet because I was interested in taking advantage of your coinjoin privacy service. But no matter what I do, I can't get it to work. I am not allowed to participate in the coinjoin. After some research and discussions with friends, I found out that your coordinator pays a blockchain analysis firm to investigate each UTXO that users want to include in a coinjoin. Turns out, my coins aren't good enough because someone somewhere decided they are dirty and naughty. But I have no idea what I did wrong, and I don't see any rules explaining why my bitcoin is dirty. How do you call yourself a privacy service if you have a privacy-invading company check everything, and ultimately turn down certain people and refuse to give them privacy? Do you not see issues there?

Kruw:
Thanks for using Wasabi and contacting us! We are glad to help you.
Did you know that BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o are to blame because they are openly advertising centralized mixing services? Amazing, right? They also did it before and will probably do it again. They are trying to trick you into handling your money over to these centralized services. We at Wasabi would never do that. Stay with us, we have amazing surprises for our users. Wasabi - the ultimate Bitcoin privacy tool.   


@Kruw
Did I do a good job or have I failed to mention anything that would help this unsatisfied user?

[Wind_FURY]

No, IF you're a criminal who used the service, THEN by law, as a centralized entity they're forced to hold your coins. NOT TAKE, hold. Mere trade-offs taken by Mixtum.

Framing loss of custody as a "trade-off" is dishonest since there is no benefit to the user for having their data collected and coins taken.

It's a centralized service, and you're free to criticize. But dishonest? Ser, it's literally there in print. It's definitely a trade-off.

You say it's a scam. But has it scammed?

You can stop feigning disbelief that mixing sites are scamming their users, you are well aware of this since you gained 0.31150000 BTC as your share from promoting Chipmixer:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg19291440#msg19291440

Ad Hominem, just answer the question.

Plus I was never informed that ChipMixer scammed its users, nor was I accepted in their campaign. I'll now add you in my ignore list. I was the only person in the topic who tried to defend Wasabi's trade-off when everyone else was throwing criticisms against you.

@Kruw
I am really glad you are showing this immature and childish side of you.

How do we verify that it's really him?

[BlackHatCoiner]

Can we please stop calling ChipMixer a scam? The authorities confiscated the users' funds, not ChipMixer.