Or at least Sandrine is pretending she has already left.

From http://forum.neucoin.org/users/sandrine/activity
Last (private, er, "team") post 13 hours
Last seen Nov 25th
Last (public) post Nov 8th ("Hi everyone I'm leaving")

Now, why would Sandrine want us to think she has left, when she still has keys to the office?

Nice work Alex, Bittrex 0.00002000 First buy wall gone.

First Magicking tried to make you look like an "a$$hole". That was bad enough.
But then James mod has to rub in the salt. "You keep answering your own questions." oops. James mod knows Jack shite.

James mod, (some say "the thickest person on the internet" mind you, that was before Superman turned up) teaching Alex about "trust"
If the ,er, "team" want to orphan Alexs' blocks over 6 minutes late, that's fine with James mod. That's trust.
Thanks James

Keep on dumping!

As superman would probaly say,

hahahahahahahahahaha... hahahahahahaha.. hahaha..  

And nokoin will be $10 each,

hahahahahahah....  hahahahaha.. hahaha..

And Dan Kaufman, owning so many nokoin will own half the world,

hahahahahaha...haha..ha..

And everyone in the world will love Dan Kaufman and trust him more than anyone else,

haha... ha..

And squirrels will supersede human beings,

ha.. Oh shit!


Edit- Anyone got a 5 year growth account ? Cryptock? hahahaha... hahaha...  haha..

Also- Better get rid of your Bitcoin logo, Cryptock, bring on the squirrel logo. I guess your all in. hahahaha...  hahaha..  hahaha

Yeah,

They don't care, they never did. There was never any love from nokoin, er, "team" for nokoin. Never any details or fact. Now they are mostly gone.

I too have studied nokoin best I could, it started because of the "serious debate on pow v pos"
I was fooled by the word "serious". I took interest.
The rest is history (documented here. Warnings, concerns, jokes. All unanswered. Slowly proving correct.)

So now the months tick away. The nokoiners fall by the wayside.
If Alex sells up tonight it's game over. 1 satoshi.
It's coming.

Dart and Superman loose all their Bitcoin. (please don't then complain Dart)
Dan makes a million dollars.
The end.

Alex, time to sell up?
(seriously, why do you persist, even knowing your getting cheated? With all your millions, your still trailer cash to Dan?)

Quick note,

Alexhiggins tries to get answers to why nokoin keep robbing him of his nokoin mining rewards,
After hours of work investigating and posting pages of evidence, after quietly threatening to sell his millions of nokoin if they don't sort this s*%/ out,
And after magickings last apology for his previous reply being wrong,

Magicking reply's,
"Both of theses statements (and past posts) make me think that you don't fully understand how things work and hence you make assumptions of how things might work and then get aggressive and mix multiple subject in your post (like this one) even if some answer has been given before."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/public-pos-stakes-being-orphaned-by-foundation-account-stakes/2289/15

No attempt at enlightenment.
No attempt to discuss.
That's always been the nokoin way.

So who does fully understand how things work with nokoin?
Not Magicking lmo.  (Or he ain't sharing it.)
Nobody does. All part of the plan to dupe the masses.

Time to sell up Alex?

Scam, Alex, I don't understand.

What relevance does that number have. 0.2424?

Scam, I don't read code.
All I see is 0.2424 accounting for leap years?

nokoin said month 3 would produce 95.93% interest. (Is this not the case?)
What relevance is 0.2424 to that rate? (if it is not just leap year)


"FYI... the actual interest rate hardcoded into the count is approx 0.2424 pct a day"
Alex, could you please explain the context. As you can see I'm not getting it.
Thanks.

Alex
"FYI... the actual interest rate hardcoded into the count is approx 0.2424 pct a day"

Kourosh
"Here are the exact interest rates for the first year: [1, 0.9754, 0.9593, 0.9435, 0.9278, 0.9124, 0.8972, 0.8823, 0.8675, 0.853, 0.8386, 0.8245] Note that although they change monthly, these are annual interest rates."


Oh, so 0.2424% per day x 365 = 88.476% per year? Is that correct?
But, month 3 should be 95.93% per year = 0.2628% per day.

Is 0.2424 ~9% too low? More like month 8 interest rate?
I must be calculating wrong?

(IDK, Is 0.2424 hardcoded for 12 months, or just the current month/43,800 blocks?)

Oh, so Magicking was wrong. Again.
"Yeah, sorry I was wrong about the timestamp (since reorganize are based on trust which doesn't use the timestamp), I still don't know why I said that." http://forum.neucoin.org/t/public-pos-stakes-being-orphaned-by-foundation-account-stakes/2289/14

No I don't know why magicking said that either. Basic stuff.
He certainly doesn't like to engage. Short snappy answers, take it or leave it, no attempt to discuss or enlighten.
No love there. Confusion, the usual nokoin way.
Now Magicking want Alex to sort out the issues and submit to github. Pass the buck why not.



Anyway Alex, if your still interested, here's how I'm seeing it.

Is there a lack of nokoin production from staking rewards?
Yes there is.

Around ~ 250 million more nokoin were projected at this stage.
There is no simple official figure, but the math is in this thread. http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-will-neucoins-be-mined-after-release/163/28
(8 billion nokoin end yr 1, revised down by Kourosh on the basis of the "small staker reward" math. - incorrect. vast majority staked are "large staker reward", earning max compound effect, therefore effectively higher interest rate, therefore Kouroshs' original 8 billion estimate is achievable and the correct, or more correct, answer. imo)

I think the block propagation is about ~ correct.
I see it like scam c, except the reason I would use "launch" as my marker is only 800 blocks were produced in the 2 weeks previous (to launch), equal to about ~ 12 hours "up and running"
No nokoin were created before launch, but these are not exact calculations. (and can never be)
So, I am assuming genesis was, effectively, about ~ launch (-12h). Near enough for these vast numbers, to find the right ball park?
So now, about 75 days later, @ ~ 44,000 blocks in 30 days = 110,000 blocks. Near-enough ~ exactly right at the moment.

I dont see compounding being a major factor either. (especially as block prop looks ok to me)
The vast (overwhelming) majority of compound will be achieved by, er, "team" holdings. Would it matter that much if only half the blocks were produced, compounding every 2 miniutes instead of every 1 minute?

As block propagation times seem ok, (ish) interest rates should also be ok. (close to a calender month increments as expected)

And orphan rates, while clearly high, (especially pow) seem to only account for a "few" million missing nokoin.
Even if presale, er, "investors" abstained from staking all 100m, (unlikely for several reasons clearly) and include a few million free survey nokoin, this is still such a small % of total coins,(about ~ 3%) it cannot explain the missing 250 million. (maybe 10m or 20m max?)
(high orphan because of centralized built-in 51% attack. No coin age means small utxo's carry no trust - ever.)

So, I'm still no nearer to solving this puzzle. (and the block explorer puzzle)
I did not notice when nokoin production stopped/slowed. (month 1 was on target)

I'm just guessing here, trying to work out possibilities. Detail and fact are non existent at nokoin.
Wouldn't it be nice if Magicking actually tried to be honest. Or just happily tried to really explain some of these details for you. Not bite your head off?
That would be a nokoin first.

Does the wallet not follow the chain of most trust - i.e. whatever the, er, "team" tells it?
(your blocks were orphaned by, er, "team" - now your wallet believes they never happened, in effect)

Anyway, there is a difference of over 570 million nokoin between the explorers.
That is a lot of orphaning.
Much more than the (nearly) 400 million "officially" created.
So, if that were the case, I would expect to see a fairly consistent "over accounting" on large staking addresses on nokoin.io
Not so.

NdoQ1quvqEnkNMqtSzVhTKiLrbDuKQYQz6 for example, has a higher balance shown on nokoin.org than nokoin.io.
That is the wrong way around for the orphan scenario.
Some other large addresses are like this, but also some are the other way round.
(and there is "only" a few million difference between balances on the explorers, nothing like the 570 missing millions)
No consistency there.

But also approx 250 million nokoin were created in the first month (as projected), yet only 150 million in the 5 weeks since. (not as projected)
The creation process was projected to speed up, not slow down.

And it does seem "things" happen on "distribution day", 23rd of the month, as you have found, to your cost.

So, I think still unanswered, "are they holding back on staking, or have they just messed up the process of staking, or did they mess up the original figures, or is their blockchain just plain wrong?"

Of course this calculation is near impossible to work out accurately. Deliberately so.

Kourosh stated he expected 8bn nokoin at end of 12 months, that is 5bn nokoin created. (possible 150bn nokoin after 10 years)

The interest rate is 100% in month one, 97.5% month two, 95.9% month 3.
However, the team billions are staking and therefore compounding almost every minute.
So, even though the monthly rate decreases, the compounding means the reward recieved each month increases.

Yet Alex Higgins has only received 38 nokoin pos reward on his 450,000 nokoin holding!
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/public-pos-stakes-being-orphaned-by-foundation-account-stakes/2289

But, as the, er, "team" control most ~97% of nokoin, the effect of nokoiners being unable to stake would be minimal on total nokoin numbers.
That would not account for the missing hundreds of million nokoin.

I think your figure of 3.633bn nokoin is a realisticly achievable and expected number.

However Tempus, as you say, "There are so many points, and every single point would be a huge scandal in every legit project, but it's totally normal for Neucoin that things are wrong and nobody cares."

Pretty much sums it up.

So, wtf IS going on with these block explorers?

Huey said "the blockchain never lies"
Well, at least one of them is lying.

nokoin.io states 3.95bn nokoin exist.
http://www.neucoin.io/richlist

nokoin.org state 3.39bn nokoin exist.
http://explorer.neucoin.org/overview

I had expected to see at least ~3.7bn in existence at this point, using nokoin own formula.
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-will-neucoins-be-mined-after-release/163/28
However,with the super compounding effect for the controllers of nokoin, nokoin.io's figure of 3.95bn is plausible.
On the other hand, nokoin.org's 3.39bn figure is several hundred million nokoin below their own projections.

So, are they holding back on staking, or have they just messed up the process of staking, or did they mess up the original figures, or is their blockchain just plain wrong?
(I think the figures are good as the first months nokoin growth was in line with expectations, as reported on this thread. the nokoin growth therefore must have slowed after month one. I dont know how to go back in time, now, to "easily verify" how many nokoin existed after month one on "todays version of events"  at nokoin.org explorer?)

Is the difference between the two because nokoin.org rewrite (their) history every month (on "distribution day") and nokoin.io doesn't obey?
After all, when nokoin team rewrite history, that then makes it "true".
Even when nokoin team are not rewriting, every tx is is based on the 51% attack. The controllers say it did or did not happen. NOBODY else gets a say. If you disagree, (when finding a block) you will be orphaned?

Also
Veegolds' transaction history on the two explorers deviates on distribution day, Oct 23rd, coincidence?
http://www.neucoin.io/address/NSx81GyspxWA5H8z7MHam9dezptCKBqzkC
I don't think Acorn would have deliberately robbed Veegold, but could a bug in the reorg/rewrite be to blame?

What is going on? Can anything about nokoin be trusted?
Probably not....   unless you FULLY trust the team. (mostly gone or hiding behind "Acorn" for anonymity)
As Sandrine said,(Apr 25) "Pre-mined cryptocurrencies like NeuCoin reintroduce a trust factor during a part of the distribution phase, while the Foundations still hold the majority of the coin. It is a paradigm Bitcointalk members do not like."

 ^
Have you tried spending more than you own, Nick?
Or can only Veegold get "credit" on his account?
His balance is (minus) -999 nokoin, How so?

No probs with you getting "lucky" btw.

Am I missing something?

First Veegold had 5000+ nokoin stolen from his "growth account"
Acorn said tough luck.

Now it seems veegold "owes" 999 nokoin on his wallet.
received 14,213
sent 15,213
Veegold nokoin balance is (MINUS)  - 999.153!


http://www.neucoin.io/address/NSx81GyspxWA5H8z7MHam9dezptCKBqzkC

How can this be??
Are nokoin doing loans?
Is it just scammy, buggy nokoin again?

Try it out nokoiners, spend more than you own, Free money?

nokoin trading disabled on bittrex. (now re-enabled)

nokoin blockchain under attack again.
1 month after the last "team" attack on history.
The same day "team" nokoin is distributed.
The same day last month.

Acorns' explanation - "were making improvements"
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/bittrex-investigating-blockchain-anomoly/2265

Yeah, improvements to "team" wallets probably.
Something going on here.

Richie, bittrex, what is your take on this?

Outrageous.

(also the reddit Gekko posted about. https://www.reddit.com/r/neucoin/comments/3socgn/warning_neucoin_mods_are_censoring_posts/ Deleted, Deleted, Deleted, Magicking "Just cleaning FUD, unrelated items, attacks etc.." Deleted, Deleted...)

After Superman, master of meaninglessness, tried to explain away the nokoin team exodous to Brutus, Dart chipped in,

"Mark worked on marketing, Kourosh helped with the white paper. I haven't seen anything that says arcanis has left."

So Brutus comes back,
"Here you are @The Harsh Guy https://fr.linkedin.com/in/maelnison"

The link shows that arcanis HAS also left.

A couple of posts later Alex basically told Dart (now deleted) to stop making false/inaccurate statements that can be proven with a quick google search, because in his position as mod, he should know these things, or check first before shilling.

Dart not seen for 18 hours, so he did not delete.
Alex did however @Dart, so Dart will receive an email. He will have the post.

Deleted by Acorn, the "team" cover tag. Covering the fact that there is no team.
Only Magicking, and Dank. Maybe Ophille, who knows. Who cares?


Dart should care. Shilling this nokoin all year. Just because HE invested, because HE was fooled by the massive list of names.
Dart, a newbie, inexperienced, deceived and misled by nokoin, left to shill, misinform, and defend nokoin. As has always been the case.
nokoin needed that vocal blind faith on their forum. It saved them from having to lie themselves, so much.

Dart WHEN will you open your eyes to reality.
You must at least have SERIOUS doubts.
You have been used by nokoin for deflection purposes. lmo.
Because you never have understood what you talk about. What you push on others.
(btw, how much have you been paid, if you don't mind me asking?)

Take a look around Dart. Time to ask yourself questions.


edit. Dart has read this and has now private messaged Acorn. Awaiting response.

And action...

Superman, master of meaninglessness,  is sent in first to explain the missing devs,
"...they are extremely busy.... they are improving its organization structures.... there was a major terrorist attack in Paris....NeuCoin is doing fine as usual."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-org-still-shows-the-qt-1-0-0-release/2225/4

And the growth account rates superman?

Superman says "Check below link." (link to pos rates, not growth account rates)
"I am one of Neucoin Community Members like you..."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/growth-account-growth-rate/1436/32

Superman you know nothing. As predicted.
Send in Sith...

Hey Acorn,

No worries, leave sandrine on the staff list if it's to much trouble for you.
If you cant be bothered to keep up the pretence that this is not a dead koin.
http://forum.neucoin.org/about

After all, Arcanis is still listed, even though he was kicked off the company board along with Sandrine.
https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ded/companies/companiesReg/Foundations/foundationsactregister.pdf  (link from scam c.)
Oh, and Ludpo? Last seen Feb 23. Never posted. Just another redundant name?
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/ludpo/activity
Or Ludovic, never posted. Ludpo/Ludovic are same person, yes?
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/ludovic/activity
Also looks like Whateveryousayman mod has gone.
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/whateveryousayman/activity
And even Baby mod?
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/btc2you4free/activity

Second thoughts Acorn, maybe you better do that update, this is getting a bit ridiculous now, even for nokoin.

Btw Acorn, If you ever do any more updates, maybe address this also?

Brutus has just joined nokoin forum, and asks,
"Hi @Sandrine ! Where is the post about Growth Accounts? Thanks!"

You know Acorn, the update Sandrine said she would post 5/6 weeks ago.
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/growth-account-growth-rate/1436/29
Sorry I didn't remind her, (my fault, that is my job after all)  I had a grump on. I felt undervalued.
I've not received 1 single nokoin in payment for all my hard work trying to keep the nokoin team on their toes.
Not 1 single nokoin for trying to keep nokoiners updated and informed.
(Nok01N154l0AdoFCR4Pimo50rRyTo54Y)

Anyways, it's probably worth posting something, more pie in the sky. Even just a repeat of the old "We are working really hard, and in the next few months you will see..... (maybe drop the massive list of names in here too, just for good measure, that will probably look really professional, erm, yeah, probably.)


Yeah, I thought Brutus was gonna be trouble.
Now Brutus is asking where everybody is on the nokoin forum, What happened to all the devs?
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-org-still-shows-the-qt-1-0-0-release/2225/2

If you cant be bothered Acorn, maybe send Sith in to sort it out? He's a very nice young man. Very convincing.
Or Superman? The master of meaninglessness.

Someone should say something on the nokoin forum. (unless we will be announcing the closure of nokoin before Christmas?)
The lack of communication,
The disappearing team,
The absence of progress, in anything,

It's all getting too obvious.
nokoin, where nothing ever gets done.


PS. please remind Takla (his nokon name) to keep his promise to give free nokoin
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/42510-neucoin-get-it-free-75-the-best-new-coin/
Enough promises of free nokoin have already been broken.

So, Tippy Acorn the squirrel now seems to run nokoin. Taking over after Sandrines masterful escape. (even tippy uses sock accounts, lol)
nokoin, a company holding $35m of imaginary assets, run by a cute imaginary sock account squirrel.

(Ok, Sandrine was cute, definite 7/10, but, sorry Sandrine, Acorn is much cuter. 9/10 lmo. Look at those little hands. Those little ears, Aah.. )
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/acorn/activity
(Oh btw Acorn, Could you remove Sandrine from the about page please, if you can be bothered to keep up the pretence, sorry, it looks like Sandrine still works at nokoin, lol. You got Mark off the list quick enough! well done for that. credit where it is due there!)  
http://forum.neucoin.org/about

But at least Sandrine was accountable to some extent, she could, and still can be, taken to court. She can be sued.
Not clear if Acorn would end up in the supreme court or some kind of animal sanctuary.
Are Acorns' posts/statements/advice legally admissable in such an event?

Sandrine took her share of 200m nokoin when she fied, I guess.
(and Mark, but nobody noticed him leave, lol. At least Sandrine had masses of nearly 15 nokoiners say goodbye)
So, how much will Acorn get paid. How many million nokoin?
Another superstar team member contract signed? (by those cute little squirrel hands, Aah)

The founders 300m nokoin reward is never mentioned/ignored.
(even though it is in the wp. One of the additional payments on top of the publicised 500m nokoin team rewards)
So don't worry Acorn, I dont expect a squirrel to fess up either.
(anyway, nobody else want nokoin, except to cash in, so help yourself. Like the other team members.)

Acorn, this WHOLE project is totally NUTS.
So I'm wondering, why would an imaginary SQUIRREL be interested?


(or an imaginary whale for that matter)

mtnsaa,

I suggest you go back to nokoin forum and make your presence felt.
Palming you off, and you leaving quietly, it's all part of the nokoin customer service plan.

All part of the nokoin experience.
I'm afraid you are just trailer cash to nokoin. As are we all.

Good luck with that.

Bisha,

This is a trait of nokoin.
Some get, some don't.
Very haphazard. No real systems in place.
You would think a team member or mod would help you here, if this was a serious project?

They dont come here much, just in sock/shill attacks.
Not in a helpful way. In a forceful, we are all wrong, they are right way.
But without any cohesion. Without any answers or clarification.
Never voluntary, always begrudgingly.

Nickhiggins got his. Just luck really. Or is it?
I too should have been able to claim my several thousand nokoin "easily", But could not, without the extensive verification programme.
Nickhiggins has handed valuable personal info over to "dubious" operators in return for his nokoins.
They were not "free".
If Nickhiggins now suffers from ID fraud, spam attacks, ect, it could be expensive for him.
An intrusive process. A step too far for me.

Yes I would have dumped mine anyway. But maybe you would have been a convert?
We have both been alienated from this "nokoin for the masses - 1,000,000 user in a year" project. BS.

You are better off without this shitkoin imo.
A koin shown to fail on any level of DD.
A koin being abandoned by it's team.
A koin with 99% centralisation, giving the company owner (Dank) a built-in 51% attack. The company can rewrite nokoin history anytime they like.

However, if you really want to get these nokoin, please go to nokoin forum and try to get answers to your reasonable requests of them.
Don't get palmed off by them, hold your ground.
They will probably say YOU are scamming THEM.
http://forum.neucoin.org/latest

Good luck with that.