Torrgeek say's
"Hence all the noise. Just think - why would these guys be spending so much time (this thread is approaching 900 posts already!) trying to shame a coin "

I have made 10% of the "noise", sorry for keeping this thread alive.
nokoin is very confusing, misleading, takes a lot of explaining, a lot of digging.
I'm don't have to "try" to shame nokoin, nokoin presents itself to me this way.
Follow up your questions on nokoin forum before slaggin the "noise" here please. ^

Torrgeek  says,
"Bitcointalk is brimming with people who have made poor investments and who stand to lose a lot when there's competition. Hence all the noise. Just think - why would these guys be spending so much time (this thread is approaching 900 posts already!) trying to shame a coin if it they didn't get some financial benefit out of it? Are these guys really such noble souls that they are looking out for the others by giving away so much of their time and effort? Won't they rather be sipping beer beachside?"

I am getting no financial benefit here, unless you think I am worried that super nokoin will destroy the value of my bitcoin?
Infact I stand to destroy any value of my free survey nokoin, I guess I am just a noble soul, eh?
Torrgeek will obviously profit from talking up nokoin.

Clearly Torrgeek knows better most BCTers, or he has inside info, lets take a look how he works,

Feb.
"Awesome. Looking forward to the pre-sale."

"I do have a few general questions..You mentioned it is only the pre-sale coins that would be traded in the exchanges to start off."
(Sandrine,"...More details will be disclosed when we get closer to the coin launch, so you’ll have a better sense of how these coins are released")

Apr.
".but none of them had such a huge coin supply (as nokoin-ed). That makes a huge difference."

"Larger the supply, more the downward pressure on the price. Increasing rarity results in increasing prices. Pretty basic economics"

(next few posts try to explain to Dart that rarity generally equals more value, without success)

"I wish they were more transparent about this freemium distribution. I did ask @Sandrine in another post about whether there is a possibility of these pre-mined coins being sold in the market to raise some funds in the future and she said they very well might be. However there are no details..."

"I too get the feeling that it might be a little over-priced for a presale. However, to be fair, since neucoin offers high staking rewards for the first few years unlike ripple or stellar, your neucoins will be multiplying themselves several times over with time. Therefore, in essence you are actually paying a lot less per coin during the pre-sale"

"Hey @Sandrine. I did the survey but never got a confirmation email regarding the 2500 coins..."

"Can a dev or someone take the time to reply here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/32ztxs/has_anyone_read_neucoins_whitepaper_they_claim_so/ Vitalik Buterin is a respected guy in the crypto community and maybe his views have to be considered/countered.."

"Can you also respond to kushti's allegations/concerns here ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=944933.msg11167351#msg11167351 kushti is a reasonable guy in the nxt community and certainly not a troll."

"I would also like to see at least a few of the big names amongst the angels to actually spell out their involvement with neucoin"

"For the sake of simplicity and transparency, can you answer these? I'm guessing you may already have them worked out.
At the end of year 1, assuming an investor(angel-ed) who had 1000 neu to start with sells away all of the coins that have become unrestricted at the end of year 1, how many would he be left with and how many would he have sold?
What are the corresponding numbers at the end of year two?
I hate bugging you with this as I know you have your plate full with all the trolls but I'm just trying to wrap my head around these numbers..."

"Has there been any decision made on this distribution to other crypto holders @Sandrine? Do let us know."

"It sure has been a real bummer so far. Its been "a question of minutes" for about an hour now."

"I understand there can be glitches etc. but I just don't get why the website hasn't been updated as yet. That should been the first thing they should have done!"

May
"Guys..just ignore gekko. Pls do not feed the troll."

"There is a certain way to raise issues. I have raised a ton of issues myself on this forum and have never felt the need to be disrespectful or insulting.  I'm thankful that gekko was banned. We don't want this forum degenerating into what bitcointalk is today "

"I filled mine today and still didn't get a confirmation. Can you look into it @Mark ?"

"Thats rough @Sky. Hope this is resolved at the earliest."

June
" I would love to see neucoin go up to $0.10 levels. Even if neu stayed at $0.01 at the end of 10 years, that would mean a marketcap of around $1billion and our returns would be 5000% which itself is great!"

"Counldn't agree more!" (lack of info-ed)

July
"Echoing mr2140 @Sandrine." (call for more info-ed)

"They had also mentioned gift card auctions. If those cards are available at good prices then I would certainly consider spending my neucoins to buy them."


Questions are unanswered.
Calls for more info undelivered.
Frustrations, failings.
Gift card auctions
Dreams

It's a scam Buddy. look at your own history.
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/torrgeek/activity

They couldn't get the survey reward email working properly,
They cant work the setting on the nokoin forum software,
The bouncing rabbit is "proof" of progress,

There is no need for "testing" is there?
What could possibly go wrong?
Blind faith.

^
I didn't get it either,
I didn't want to get it, I guess.
I'm pretty sure I get it now.

Scammers be scammers.

Sandrine,

Please have your press releases CORRECTED.

As I posted recently, Coindesk has corrected, in part at least, their nokoin article.
It now states that $1m (of the $2.25m cash claim nokoin perpetuated) is "work done".
http://www.coindesk.com/uber-hotwire-2-25-million-neucoin/

TechCrunch still states that nokoin raised $2.25m in "Angel" funding. Not true.
http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/03/neucoin-is-a-new-cryptocurrency-designed-for-microtransactions/
VentureBeat still states that nokoin raised $2.25m in "Angel" funding. Not true.
http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/03/neucoin-raises-2-5m-to-be-a-headache-free-take-on-bitcoin/

nokoin "claimed" to have raised $2.25m (cash) from Angels. (or marketing speaked their deception to that effect)

The "truth" (or getting nearer the truth) is,
nokoin may have raised $1m in angel funding. (we have no evidence)
nokoin may have raised $0.25m in seed funding. (we have no evidence)
But do nokoin really have $1m in "founders unpaid work"?
It appears not.

The "founders" are PAID for this unpaid work at launch, if I read correctly.
From the "wiki" http://www.neucoin.org/en/wiki/#role-of-founders-amp-team
200 million sale-restricted coins are retained by the founders and other members of the NeuCoin Project team in exchange for contributing over $1,000,000 of unpaid work from March 2014 through the time of launch in the summer of 2015 (value of $.005 per coin).

So 200m nokoin for "contributing" $1m unpaid work. So now it's PAID?
If it is PAID, then you cannot say it is invested. It is NOT.

Also, it is PAID at HALF presale rate, $0.005, therefore the "founders" REALLY get PAID $2m. NOT UNPAID WORK AT ALL.

Coindesk, another "correction"?
How many other sites is this BS on?
The truth should be told, but that will never happen with nokoin.
One giant web of deceitful marketing speak BS

Confusion from James and the nokoiners,
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/63

rdhamilton1981
"What's the price on the 6th?"
and later,
"Those of us who bought before the presale bought in at a penny per coin. I want to buy more and was hoping the launch would start there"

James mod
"I'm going to buy more when the coin launches and I think the price is going to start at $.01 and the be subject to market swings based on demand. I bought during the pre-sale but not as much as I wanted. Got a nice chunk of change ready for the launch.I don't know what exchanges it will be listed on yet."

Sorry, but nokoin never really was "a penny" and never really will be priced against the $
It is priced in btc, and always will be.

Sandrines price explanation, http://forum.neucoin.org/t/the-neucoin-pre-sale-price-is-going-to-be-01-what-do-you-think-of-that-valuation/148/106
went from,
"The price will indeed start at $0.01" -not true-
to,
"The price will start at 25,000 NeuCoin tokens per Bitcoin (approximately $.01 per NeuCoin)" -true-...when it was posted at presale.

I know it's confusing, that's the nokoin way. Transparently confusing. Using both sides of the arguement again.

If it is "about a penny", then nokoin is down about 15% on btc.
If it is "25k nokoin per btc", then nokoin is up about 15% on the $.

It is neither.
At launch nokoin will be priced at "hopefully, something around 25k nokoin per btc, based on presale price"
Problem is, btc price has moved on from $230ish at presale to $290ish today.

Has nokoin price moved on too?
30k+ nokoin per btc?

edit- baby mod will probably know, if he can give answers like this, well...
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-many-transactions-per-second-will-neucoin-be-able-to-process/977/4

Sandrine,

As Torrgeek say's " neucoin has problems with communicating things clearly and on time. That is definitely an issue" other nokoiners and bcters say the same kind of thing.
And you agree, "right now, just prior to launch, the priority is not communication"
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268

But you STILL say,"People who have questions on Bitcointalk are free to come join us here and ask their questions. The core team (and moderators if they have answers) will be happy to answer or to take part in the debate. This is the primary place to come and get information about NeuCoin."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/56

So,"The core team (and moderators if they have answers) will be happy to answer" really? lets take a look.
http://forum.neucoin.org/about (some of the core team are listed as mods, I think because the $100pm forum software package only allows 5 admins!)

Core team activity,
dank - 1 post in 6 months, followed by 3 bans
johan - 0 posts
ludpo - 0 posts
arcansis - 3 posts in 6 months
ophelie - 7 posts in 6 months
kourosh - last posted 7 weeks ago

That just leaves You and Mark. Hmm..

And mods activity,
whateveryousayman - last post 7 weeks ago
m3ndi3 - last post 2 weeks ago

That leaves Dart, James and baby. I would converse with Dart, but James and BABY, Hmm..

So, now the bi-weekly update,
You said," From now on, brief bi-weekly updates will also be posted until the launch" http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268
The last update concluded "More updates to come! In the meantime, feel free to ask any questions" http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268/16
No updates have come.
(BTW not one nokoiner has had the balls to mentioned the "B" word... bi-weekly update. Heads, Buried, Sand)

You cannot have it both ways, either you are communicating or you are not.
Its clear to me you are not.

STOP SAYING COME TO NOKOIN FORUM TO GET INFO.
NOBODY CAN GET INFO THERE, HERE, OR ANYWHERE.

Sandrine- Marketing speak- FUD- BS

skyline247 rizz
Jun 21 July 25

Thanks for the update Sandrine kim. It is good to have reassurance that development is not going on. There is so much FUD on nokoin forum right now, it is disheartening, to say the least. I look forward to the refund. Thanks for keeping us updated.

Torgeek,

Just researching nokoin on coindesk, I found this heavily corrected post.
http://www.coindesk.com/uber-hotwire-2-25-million-neucoin/

"Correction: A previous version of this article suggested NeuCoin had raised $2.25m in angel funding. NeuCoin has raised $1m in angel funding, $250,000 in seed funding and raised an additional $1m in its founders' unpaid work."

I personally think this correction was made because of this thread.
This is why I seek clarity, so we may get nearer the truth.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

BTW the "unpaid work" is repaid at launch I believe, so not unpaid at all, just differed?
Another correction required on coindesk?

Fair enough, I get carried away at times,
but to say "I think everyone that has read this thread already knows what you've got to say buddy. ", i'm not so sure.

?You knew I would post about,-?
multiple forum bannings
deleted posts
Marks misleading post(s)
forum "zombies"
forum users, general
conflicting official team/mod lists
unanswered questions, general
tx fee increase
Baby mod
misleading $2.25m claim
unreliable information, general
clarifications
marketing speak
blind faith
innovation
bi-weekly updates
compound interest
launch/refund
foundations
start up risks
transparency
centralization
Dart concerns
Kim
survey problems
faq's
ect.ect.ect.

So you knew all this but didnt tell us? (I would call it a broken record.)
Or didn't know all this but dont care. (Neucoin is going to be what it is going to be)

The idea of a forum is to discuss topics of interest.
How could I put all that clearly in 1 or 2 posts?

Not enough twists and turns, really?
Just stating the same old stuff, really?

nokoin and Sandrine say stuff you cannot rely upon. It makes it so hard to distinguish fact from fiction, no?
(mostly fiction imo)

The latest, and I think quite important, statement made, but not seen through, is this bi-weekly update issue. I just dont understand why, if nokoin were serious, nokoin would keep doing this.?

After much dabate, (for nokoin forum)
 Sandrine says
" From now on, brief bi-weekly updates will also be posted until the launch"
The first was on time,
The second was a bit late,
The third is now very late.

It cant be a bi-weekly update if it doesn't get published every 2 weeks.
Just appease the nokoiners for a bit, then forget it. nokoiners wont be rude enough to complain.

I dont really care, (bar that it confirms my opinions) but if I was in, like primevalsoup, I would be fuming.
This bi-weekly update was agreed because the general lack of communication was starting to nark the nokoiners.
As Sandrine said "right now, just prior to launch, the priority is not communication".
So this update is nokoiners information lifeline.
nokoin won't answer primevalsoup questions. (in 10k+)
nokoin won't update primevalsoup as "promised" (in 10k+)
(M3ndi3 said "Even though it's a "given" that they are working on these things, it's nice to hear that they are working on it. ")
Why, then invite people to nokoin forum to "ask questions". Just seems ridiculous to me. !

Is this not factual?
Am I, as Dart said, "turning facts into fud"?

 ^
 ^
What's the point of joining you on your forum, you palmed primevalsoup off. He is in $10k+. (As I have highlighted)
And banned NomadBR a presale purchaser.   (As I have highlighted)

" the priority is not communication" you just said it.

Why republish old updates? A new Bi-weekly update is overdue.
Have some respect for primevalsoup, Publish your update.
The last update said nothing new, just rehash that again.

When are you selling foundation coin? At launch? Dart thinks not for 1 month. Is that correct?
Ditto founders/Angels/ect?
This must already be decided, why not clear this up?

You, on nokoin forum can think of me as a super troll if you like, but my posts are, in the main, factual, with links and everything.
Dart tries to help us learn to love nokoin, but him imagining something will happen, does not make it so.
As he say's, he is privy to no more info than us here.

Oh, credit where it is due, congrats on getting past the FaQ Google docs in view stage. Quite an achievement for the tech team. (As I have highlighted)
But, come on , how cumbersome to use this is. How little detail it addresses. http://faq.neucoin.org/

nokoin, I just see marketing speak. BS.

edit.
Sandrine, the rest of update 1 (June 21 update) also stated " From now on, brief bi-weekly updates will also be posted until the launch"
It's overdue. Another fail?

Also the rizz quote has additional text? (gives the impression it was replied too?) a typo I guess.

A Dart quote I see, interesting.

They have taken your money I suspect? No need to run then.
I've seen that tippy the squirrel ad, so irritating dont you think. So amateur.

No 2 week update forthcoming on nokoin forum?
No one has noticed, no one has asked, no one cares?

Shoreditch Sandrine,

"Our current estimation is that the NeuCoin cryptocurrency, MyNeuCoin and GetNeuCoin will launch between August 6th and August 13th."

Note, "Our current estimation"

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268/16

no
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/will-neucoin-have-options-besides-the-online-wallet/490
BS koin

Edit,
Snack last seen April 22
Dart seen every day since Feb
Bigredmachine last seen May 20
Another unanswered question, more marketing expert deceit.

Launch date is "estimation", so sometime after 13 Aug

nokoin not even working on mobile wallet.

GL with survey coin, if you ever get them, you clearly like a freebie.

Better chip in

Jonalds answer was objective enough, but imo, was to restricted and did not catch the true flavour of this thread.
I cannot present an overview myself as it would also have to miss out all the finesse of the last 6 months.

Dart post is objective also, but probably should be read in context of him being #1 fan.
When he talks of nokoin being tight lipped, it means nokoin really wont tell ya nothing.
Dart decided day 1 (Feb?) nokoin was for him, because of the impressive angel/investor list, and the promise of "utility" and mass adoption.
Getting in at day 1 must be quite exciting, imo.
I agree you should read nokoin forum. I find it hard to believe what I read there, but (some) others clearly do.

My opinion should be read in context of me being #1 sceptic.
The only way you'll get that overview, imo, is to read back here, nokoin forum, ect. It will require some hours.

James mod just loves nocoin marketing speak.
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/what-exchanges-would-you-like-to-see-neucoin-listed-on-pros-cons/1219/44

James started another pointless thread, "What exchanges would you like to see nokoin listed on? Pros & cons?"
where nearly every exchange is suggested. (as if the nokoiners have a choice)

Then Drowning mark replies
"We're already reaching out to many of the exchanges mentioned here, and we hope to have at least a few of them available at, or soon after launch."

Now, to me, that is Marketing Speak meaning,
"We are trying to get on any exchange, no luck yet or I would tell you. Hopefully we will get on one by launch, but it's not looking to good."

But to James mod,
"This is great news, I can't wait to see where NeuCoin will be listed."

Blind faith, Pure shillism.

M3ndi3, Dart and others,

Time is running out to get refund.
Is this what you envisaged for nokoin?
With all that has transpired, do you feel, unfortunately, this is a fail?
Have you unwittingly aided in something you may wish now you did not?

It's not yet too late to call the whole thing off.

From nokoin forum, (40btc purchaser)

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/40
primevalsoup
14m
Sandrine

Hi Sandrine,

Thanks for the reply. I've seen the updates but quite frankly was expecting something more meaningful. Merely stating that "we are working with a specialist HTML 5 game developer" hardly constitutes giving the community a "glimpse" of the games that are coming. Mentioning that that you are working on an online wallet app, proof of stake mining service, is simply stating the obvious and provides no new information (why wouldn't you be working on these???).

Anyway, it's clear to me that no matter how much I complain, I'm not going to get much in the way of meaningful information from the Neucoin team and since I'm already invested there is not much I can do except hope for either a successful launch or smooth refund of BTC accompanied by high BTC price....