Good call, Jonald.

nocoin, priced at $0.01, is now at 20% loss to btc.

Fairest thing nokoin could do is return btc.
No launch.

No support on nokoin forum, facebook, here, anywhere.
Nokoin cannot work IMO.
Please don't launch a coin that will not work, that is not secure, not easy to use.
That is not what was promised?

NeuBuy, July 6
"Thanks for the update. Who are the game development partners?"

Mark, July 6
"We are working with a small specialist HTML5 game developer that is doing the games for us."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268/20

Is the "developer"  Myhash - the games man by chance? (notice how Mark never gives a comprehensive answer)
nokoin for the boys?

Oh, what happened to this game development contest m3ndi3?

Sandrine, May 8
we're working with a few partners on releasing a game design contest. The idea is to gather ideas around games that would integrate NeuCoin as an in-game token. They will be voted on by the community here and on Facebook, the winners of the contest will win a prize in NeuCoin. It will be released in a few weeks, stay tuned for more info!
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-in-gaming-and-as-micro-payment-in-apps/915/20

Mark, May 17
Also, here's a headsup:
In the next couple of weeks we will be starting a major community project around designing NeuCoin games.Stay tuned for further details.
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/what-kind-of-start-ups-will-the-neu-growth-foundation-want-and-support-to-help-with-the-networks-growth/633/4

gurkin, May 17 (pre ban reply to this BS)
here i go again.
input from the team- read the white paper? yawn, give us something to work with please.
had this headsup a few weeks ago, now its still weeks away?


More BS from the team, just playing to the crowd.

So the last week the nokoin boys and girls have bought to this discussion,
Confusion, -  nokoin is innovative                  
Illusion,      -  nokoin is decentralized              
Delusion,   -  nokoin is better than bitcoin
That's a fail in my book.

Meanwhile over on nokoin forum (not much happening)
the bi-weekly update came a day late,(Monday) and as expected contained nothing except, in summary,-
" Here is a short update on what has been going on on our side...we are pushing forward with all the projects I detailed in my last update,"
"Our current estimation is that the NeuCoin cryptocurrency, MyNeuCoin and GetNeuCoin will launch between August 6th and August 13th."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268/17
ok, we now got some kinda launch date. 4 "user/investors" have responded (with praise, not questions) to the post, (plus a few mods) so not exactly over inspiring.

Also,
Btc2Dank4Free now has "the young one" after his name,
Dartious now has "the harsh guy"
Shoreditch Sandrine now has "the cute friendly admin"
M3ndi3 now has "happy go lucky"
Myhash now has "the games man"
http://forum.neucoin.org/about
I could think of a few suggestions for Mark and Dank!

while i'm looking, I checked daily "users"
19 listed (nokoin forum) users
6 mods/admin
6 zombie "straight zero's"
3 new today, unlikely to return (statistically)
4 "genuine" users
http://forum.neucoin.org/users?period=daily
nokoin still BS about active users. still giving different figures on different pages (see 2 links above)

where have we been told foundation koin will not initially sell koin upon launch? (and for the first month)

ok I guess it was the innovation, Dart and LOrrav just can't remember.

Its update day!

edit- to save you time Dart,
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/currency-exchange-rate/72/5
post 5 Sandrine says
"Thus at launch, the only coins that will be available to trade on exchanges (the ”available supply”) are the 100M coins that will have been sold in the presale. At a price of $0.01 per coin, Coinmarketcap.com will list NeuCoin's market cap at $1M ($.01 * 100M "available" supply), not $30M."

It does not say foundation koin will not be sold 5 min after launch,
It simply explains the launch mcap
Also sale restricted koin. start, middle, end of month? Nothing specific.
Typical nokoin vagueness.

unanswered questions, Dart/LOrrav

Was the floating stake modifier the innovation LOrrev/Dart?
Will foundations sell koin from day 1 Dart?
What are likely returns and lock up period on growth account?
                    -------------------------------------------
nokoin, transparent, easy to use?

Kahir, Mar 22nd
"as it say on their forum ... the launch should be in March ... so it gotta be in the next week i guess"
Kahir, Apr 12th
"any news"
Kahir, Jun 30th
"when is launch / listing on exchange"
Rizz, Jul 1st
"Torrgeek, Kahir posted to ask when is launch / listing on exchange"
Rizz, Jul1st
"Kahir still waiting for reply"

No reply,
BS marketing experts.
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I thought LOrrav joined nokoin forum to find out some answers, i.e. ask some questions,or do some reading. NOT SO.
Its been over a week now, no questions, no reading to speak of.
Compare LOrrav's first week with Gekko's (note the reading/research)

              likes           likes       topics      replies     (threads)       read       visits        time              
              received    given      (started)                  entered                                         read

LOrrav        0                 1              0              0              3                18            4            4m

Gekko        1                 19            0              1 *            89              1.6k         11          12h               *  1 reply left out of 12 or so, others deleted,

So why wont LOrrav ask any questions on nokoin forum, what is he scared of? (questions equal ban?)

BTW it's Bi-weekly update day tomorrow!

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/the-neucoin-presale-is-over-thank-you/870/8

Ahhhh @gekko4631 - that's where you're wrong - I may be a minor, but I've done my research.

I found scraps of it on the web from trustworthy sites, and the rest of it I learned whilst studying Business, Business Economics and Law in school.

Finally @gekko4631, the investments that people make on this site are not "dodgy", but if you think that, you shouldn't be on these forums - they were made for people who own, care about, and want to help NeuCoin GROW AND EVOLVE. I get the impression that you are not here to do that, but rather to put people off NeuCoin, and I would appreciate it if you kept thoughts about the fact that you think NeuCoin is a scam to yourself. Thank you.

From BTC2YouDank4Free

hey scam,
You just answered me with 16 words when, I think, 1 would have done?- YES 
(I expected 1! Have you been reading too much nokoin jargon lately?)

Thanks for the figures, they're about the best we got.

The WP says,
"in abandoning time-weight, NeuCoin chose the benefit of higher security at a cost
of creating small advantages for large miners over smaller miners,"

How does this compounding effect play out, over say 5yrs
As the whale gets proportionally richer than the minnow, does that in itself make it even harder for said minnow to stake?

Is that because ONE million into HALF million doesn't go?

So the minnows will get 30% less than the whale!

also if there were 1m nokoin users, with 500k blocks per/yr, would that make it harder for minnows to stake?

(edited for clarity)

scam confirmed
we/ I need a figure for a "whale" please,

Jonald
I thought they might actually be hoping to create nokoin off the back of intelligent responses!

I got bored waiting for replies so, (edit- to such things as WAS THAT THE INNOVATION, Dart?, LOrrev?)

No info/answers forthcoming from nokoin/nokoiners, nothing new there then,
BUT, a great new feature in the nokoin forum user lists!
(discorse have been tinkering lately)

A new column (all time list only) is "Time Read".
http://forum.neucoin.org/users?period=all
It helps to identify a different breed of ZOMBIE users!
(anyone want's to see this, click on "visits", then click again to start from the least)

Different from my previous ZOMBIE lists because these newly identifiable zombies are "SHILL ZOMBIES"
They have been active for MINUTES (rather than never, such as eviltrout)

I have suspected for a while that some "users" were just SHILL ZOMBIES
What would motivate someone to register, maybe placing a personal avatar, only to "read" for 5 minutes or less, then never return, multiplied by hundreds of "users"?
You needn't join the forum to brouse through. There has always been a continual flow of these shills.

Some figures from the all time user list-
825 all time "users" (including banned)
125 read >1 minute
58   read 1 minute
147 read <1minute, >5 minute

so 330 read >5 minute (nearly 40%)
also 297 "users" visited 1 time (or less) never to return. That is over 30% of "users"

BTW, even now, after 2 months ban and only a week on nokoin forum, only 29 "users" are listed with more "time read" than Gekko!.  NomadBR joint5th, gerkin joint 2nd!, but they were "allowed" to stay a little longer than Gekko.
gerkin is still 13th on all time "likes received" list, NomadBR 17th, so no change there in 6 weeks, even though the mods are now liking every post going! The problem is the handful of people left were already above gerkin & NomadBR, no new "real" users are coming through, as I said weeks ago. ("lost" somewhere in these 30 pages)

This is why NomadBR is also still 13th on the "likes given" list, gerkin 19th

THE NOKOIN FORUM IS DEAD

(re-edit- this could be funny, http://forum.neucoin.org/t/any-feedback-from-friends-and-family-who-are-die-hard-alt-coin-lovers/1298)
and again- The 29 "users with more time read than Gekko include mods/team, about 10-12 people!

Disagree. We REALLY need Kourosh to explain the different reward rates more clearly (for large and small holders) and the outcome of this.
(I agree with the theory, not the practice)
Consider a small holder (30,000nokoin) wanting to stake once a year, instead of running his node 24/7.
Firstly he will have to not move/use his coin in that time period to keep his days idle, then he will attempt to stake?
Now he will have to keep trying for an unknown time also?

He will not be able to just turn on his laptop and mint the next block?
If he would mint on average once a month, then it will still, on average, take a month?
If he is lucky it will be sooner, if unlucky longer.

So the small holder is still contributing to security, albeit less than continuously contributing.
So 12 small holders doing this will contribute as much to security as foundations running 1 node?
(even though foundations hold 10000x more coin of those 12 small holders?)
Is this correct?

We also need an idea of the "growth account" costs and lock up period.
James thinks it will be free, baby mod hopes it will cost less than the reward!

BTW, still no answer if stake modifier was the innovation?

ok, so you don't know for sure, so you imagine. (not really what I asked)
Wont the team communicate? (we know they wont)
So is there any point in asking? (anything)

BTW, was the stake modifier the innovation you were trying to remember? (or can't you remember)
Kahir still waiting for reply.

I thought that would be a job of foundations to control pumps, and profit from it for the greater good, not founders personal profiteering?
I would like to know for sure that founders coin is released at month end, not beginning.
I would expect foundation coin to be sold immediately.

could you find out for sure?
(or maybe the team wont communicate)

BTW, was the stake modifier the innovation you were trying to remember?

edit- Kahir still waiting for reply

Guess we'll have to wait till Torrgeek/Dart comfirm/deny this is the innovation.
on the same lines, why cant Torrgeek/dart remember this innovation?

edit- Torrgeek, Kahir posted to ask "when is launch / listing on exchange"
(I understand 30 pages is a lot so I give you a clue, it's on this page)

I THINK the innovation Dart/Torrgeek mean is the "floating" stake modifier,
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/a-reply-to-the-neucoin-white-paper/356

bigredmachine ( a member of the development team for another coin utilizing a variant of Proof of Stake) says,
"First and foremost, the attribute that most troubles me about this paper is that you have either failed to fully grasp BlackCoin's Proof of Stake 2.0 implementation from last summer, or otherwise are trying to take credit away from BlackCoin's developers."

Dart says,
"I'm don't know much at all about NXT/Blackcoin so I don't know when it did the things you're referring to but this coin has been in works for over a year so it is possible that they came up with the idea before or about the same time, but simply didn't publish it."

Kourosh says,
"The reason behind this is that we arrived at the same conclusions than BlackCoin on our own (especially concerning the modification of the stake modifier). It's only after we had decided to have it "floating" that I actually realized this was one of the modifications BlackCoin had made in its previous update."

HOWEVER, the nokoin WP (full version) now allocate this innovation to Blackcoin,
"3.2/5 Stake  modifier: NeuCoin  chose  to  adapt  BlackCoin's stake  modifier, which floats over time,"
 
BTW Dart, you seem to think there will only be 100m nokoin on the market at release, (the presale coins)
do you think there will also be foundation coins available for purchase from day 1, (unlimited amount)
also angel/team coins available for purchase from day 1 (all be it a restricted amount)

Will these extra coins flood the market and overshadow the presale investor coins?

(Jonald, thanks for previous answer)

Jonald,

"10 minute blocks are NOT a problem.  0 Confirmation transactions take seconds and can be instantly checked against double spends by querying the mempool."

I agree (with my limited Knowledge)
Tell me please, if nokoin have a 1 minute block, is that "harder" to run/more prone to "overload" than 10 minute block?
In your opinion, is fast confirmation needed for "tipping" small amounts, and how many confirms would be needed (6 in btc) to secure large TX's?

(while we wait to see what it is to be integrated)
The illusion/delusion continues over on nokoin forum, good work Dart/team
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/26

exoton
Before launch you could do a little video with as many big influential angle investors

Sandrine
Hi @exoton , thanks for your post. I just wanted to make sure you had seen this post: http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-investors-proof/6405 , as it revolves around your remark.

exoton
I have seen it but if you are talking to someone considering to buy it is more convining when you have a video

Darteous
Personally I'd be concerned that that kind of action would cause too much growth.

exoton
in my oppinion it would help to shut up all the critical voices over at btctalk ,

down for anyone else or just me?

edit- ok, sorted

nokoin forum down, gone for good?

edit- whats happening Dart?

Start a thread on nokoin forum "who still wants nokoin?"
Need not take long.
if Dank is convinced of better future "profits" it may work.
Once nokoin is released there is no btc refund possible.
Hope this helps.