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1021  Other / Meta / Is Self moderated thread not allowed in Meta ? on: January 11, 2019, 03:56:23 AM
Is Self moderated threads are not allowed in Meta?
Or is there any criteria that need to be full filled for creating it, or I am simply just experiencing some bug?
1022  Other / Meta / Re: [Lets Discuss]Custom Trust list and Pros and Cons of the system. on: January 11, 2019, 03:51:54 AM
Since I am not keeping everyone in my custom list (If you keep everyone in custom list then better to take forum DT1 and DT2) and DT1 inactivity can also cause to lose the status, so I like that user to be appearing as DT2 if that user is trusted by other DT1.

A scammer need to be tag by more than one DT1 in this system , if I keep myself at level 1. A slight inactivity will cause you lose DT1 status.

PS: Sorry, look like custom is overriding the forum trust list, I thought it will be in addition to the forum one I guess we should be get forum list with additional to custom list. otherwise current DT system will also become static.

I think you might be misunderstanding something. You're always implicitly in your own DT0. And your custom list affects only how you see the ratings (red/green/trusted/untrusted) plus it is your vote for DT1 members. Of course if you're in DT1 yourself then your custom list also becomes DT2 level under you. But your own level 0/1/2/etc is not subject to inactivity rules if that's what you're saying.

And DT1/DT2 matters only to those users who use DefaultTrust. As long as you drop DefaultTrust from your list you're no longer using DT1/DT2 except to the extent that your list is a vote.

I will further research it but after creating custom trust list , Quickseller rating changed to -4 for me, without list it was -1010 for me.
I remember earlier I added some user in my custom list then I used to see rating of other as ( custom list user + DT1 +DT2 as I set my trust depth to 2)
Now it look like custom list instead of appending with forum list is just overriding the forum default trust.
I am interested in appending system so that I can add few that I want to trust in additional to other. Look like current system is adding overhead to add so many users.
1023  Other / Meta / Re: [Lets Discuss]Custom Trust list and Pros and Cons of the system. on: January 11, 2019, 03:19:07 AM

Personally I would highly recommend using depth 0 or 1 if you use a custom list. Depth 2 is too broad. It's ok-ish if you use DefaultTrust because then:

DefaultTrust = level 0
DT1 = level 1
DT2 = level 2

Otherwise:

Your custom list = level 0
(optional) Users trusted by your custom list = level 1
... and if you add level 2 here I think you'll be worse off than using DefaultTrust. For example you put a few DT1 users into your custom list. That's your level 0. If you set your depth to 1 you add one level to it so you essentially have a subset of DT1 and DT2. But if you set depth to 2 then you'll end up with a large number of DT3-equivalent users in your hierarchy.

I got you  but how I will overcome the below limitation
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1. Dynamically losing your DT1 status if you are not online in last 3 day(whenever a new list list created). But I guess if that user in other DT1 list then it will act as DT2 and tag remain valid if all of the user using recommended setting of trust depth of 2.

Since I am not keeping everyone in my custom list (If you keep everyone in custom list then better to take forum DT1 and DT2) and DT1 inactivity can also cause to lose the status, so I like that user to be appearing as DT2 if that user is trusted by other DT1.

A scammer need to be tag by more than one DT1 in this system , if I keep myself at level 1. A slight inactivity will cause you lose DT1 status.

PS: Sorry, look like custom is overriding the forum trust list, I thought it will be in addition to the forum one I guess we should be get forum list with additional to custom list. otherwise current DT system will also become static.

 
1024  Other / Meta / [Lets Discuss]Custom Trust list and Pros and Cons of the system. on: January 11, 2019, 02:36:31 AM
In order to encourage the users to create custom list, theymos created a few criteria if satisfied by a user will become a DT1 member (unless member is excluded by majority of other DT1 member satisfying the criteria.)

#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
 - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.   ***

*** This is going to be changed with 2 user with 250+  Merits as theymos suggested here


The custom list created will be used as DT0 for you , means these custom list will be at highest level for you.(most trusted user to you.) If you update your  trust setting with Trust Depth=0 then you will see user rating as given by the  DT0 as trusted but you will not see the DT1 and DT2 ratings.

Trust Depth can be put to the max depth of 4 but ideally you are recommended it to use it to Depth of 2.

Now why it is important to create the custom trust list?
As far DT0 is concerned, I guess there is no difference in earlier and new system. Difference can happen if you are merited user (10 or 250) then you will help that user to be dynamically promoted to DT1 and everybody will be benefited by that user judgement.

Few user suggested that not to include the user who rarely tag the others (may be they are right because if your are not tagging and not giving any rating then you are not affecting anyone) but I guess we can currently include them for a time being because they might not be tagging because they think their untrusted feedback will not be having no weight.


What this system will eventually bring?
1. A custom trust list and dynamically changing DT1 list .
2. Chance for a very new users to become a DT1 if user is contributing and rational in judgement.
3.Active DT1 users as it does not allow somebody in DT1 if somebody not online in last 3 day.
4. Much more number of user included in DT1 (so I guess number of DT2 will also considerably increase) so if you need DT then DT support will be ready available.

What will be catch with the system?
1. Dynamically losing your DT1 status if you are not online in last 3 day(whenever a new list list created). But I guess if that user in other DT1 list then it will act as DT2 and tag remain valid if all of the user using recommended setting of trust depth of 2.
2.Very heavily dependent on Merit System, might cause/encourage trading of the Merits.
3. Might cause people obtaining solicitation from  highly Merited user. (trying to game the system)
Edit1.
4. Current trust system is also not solving the "Lemon Problem" that was existing in previous trust system.

Please feel free to debate,add the Pros and cons of this new system. I guess theymos is currently very open to suggestion on trust system and might add/remove some point if you concern sounds valid.

PS: Please come with your general suggestion, do not target any specific user and individual.
      I want to keep this self moderated but look like you are not allowed to start a self-moderated thread in Meta(at least I am not allowed).
    
1025  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Blue-chip stocks and Bitcoin on: January 10, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
Nice comparison OP, I heard that Amazon and facebook grew a lot . There is always advice to invest in FANG (Facebook,Amazon,Netflix,Google)  shares.
 My understanding is innovative companies and concepts(bitcoin) will continue to grow so better invest in them.
1026  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 10, 2019, 04:28:58 PM
New members of DT2, who were not in the "old" DT2 or DT1. No user ID on the trust page, so I couldn't create profile links, sorry. Please review and make adjustments if needed. This is based on coinlocket$'s snapshot of the old system vs the current DT2 list as of a few minutes ago. Things change quickly so feel free to yell at me if something is wrong.

ChiBitCTy

Banned user in DT2 list, look like activity criteria need to be fit for DT2 user also?
1027  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 10, 2019, 03:38:14 PM


Thanks buddy, sent you 2 Merit’s. I have no fucking idea who EFS is Grin

He is moderator of the turkish board, never saw him posting in any English board as per my memory recalls.
1028  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 10, 2019, 03:35:28 PM
If I understood the system correctly, it means theymos is encouraging all of us to create our custom trust list.
I think he do not want to keep fix DT1 and DT2.

I think he might like to rotate the DT1 with this criteria. If DT1 will be rotated then DT2 will be automatically rotated.
#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.
 - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you yourself sent.

Correct me If I am wrong.
1029  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins, Banking & Insurance - Why Bitcoins are a Different Animal Altogether on: January 10, 2019, 02:02:19 PM

Altough I hate necro poster but today I make an exception.

@OP, I did not understood why it is not discussed till now but I think we both  might have same way of thinking.

In current volatile market it will be real hassle for business  to accept bitcoin unless it is not dealing with fully bitcoin ecosystem.(buy  in bitcoin and selling in bitcoin).
1030  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin adoption: Don't just sit down, do something on: January 10, 2019, 01:46:46 PM
It will take time to succeed. It stayed for a decade due to its technical excellence otherwise in this fast pace world product /invention become obsolete and replaced within a few years. Bitcoin will stay and go to mainstream but not too soon.
Most People are cynical of BTC and other just purchased as investment tool.
Media still  make fun of pizza story terming as million dollar pizza's and with this attitude will you be able to convince anybody to spend bitcoins?
1031  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] CLOUDBET & KROGOTH'S LOADED DENARIUM COIN RAFFLE#9 on: January 10, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
87 r1s2g3
1032  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 183rd JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: January 10, 2019, 12:17:37 PM
7 r1s2g3
1033  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending very small loans on: January 09, 2019, 07:15:37 PM
Can be btc pegged or $ doesn't matter.

It matters, suppose current BTC is $4000. I took 1 BTC from you for a week.
After one week BTC is $5000. if it is $ pegged loan, I will return only .8 BTC + interest instead of 1 BTC + interest.
reverse is also true. so better peg your loan+interest in BTC.
1034  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending very small loans on: January 09, 2019, 05:57:59 PM
Rifat0099 - Collateral hasn't been sent, $5 btc given.

Few questions OP.

Is it BTC pegged loan  or $ loan?

Since there is no post by Rifat0099 in this thread, are you already scammed ?

Did you asked the signed address before giving loans?
1035  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] ⚡💰🔥 MAGNUM WALLET || Signature Campaign 🔥💰⚡ on: January 09, 2019, 03:22:23 PM

Btw, isn't 1st week supposed to be 24-12 to 30-12?
Unless a week = 8 days. Anyway, I hope there won't be any delay for payment.

There's no response, and even until now week 2 is not yet counted.

Ohh! I read it that time also but instead of looking at spread sheet, I subtracted 30 with 24 and thought everything is fine.

Surprisingly , 2 week passed and only 2 people able to spot it.
I think Notaek need to take care of this week at least if he is not taking care of very first week.
1036  Other / Meta / Re: Ban Appeal on: January 09, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
@OP
Interesting to see you wake up almost a year to know the reason of the ban.
Profile was last active on 25 Feb 2018.

bpip is also not agreeing to your ban.

My best guess is that, might you posted on Altcoin giveaway so you got nuked and post removed.
1037  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] ⚡💰🔥 MAGNUM WALLET || Signature Campaign 🔥💰⚡ on: January 09, 2019, 12:05:38 PM
Hi Notaek

I checked spreadsheet, I saw you  created the week spreadsheet as below:

24 Dec- 31 Dec
1 Jan- 8 Jan

Now they are 8 days period instead of 7 days period (a week).
1038  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 181st JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: January 09, 2019, 11:53:08 AM
7  r1s2g3
1039  Economy / Services / Re: [3-4$] Find T-Shirt on: January 09, 2019, 11:21:49 AM
Does it look same.

https://www.placedestendances.com/uk/en/lacoste-lacoste-regular-fit-wool-sweater-with-contrasting-round-neck-white-men-3337023

for shipping
https://www.colisexpat.com/pages/en/lpga/etats-unis/place-des-tendances/

PS: I have no idea about this store, look like they are french and I have no idea whether they can be trusted.
1040  Other / Meta / Re: Want to post link of an article? on: January 08, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
You can frame your question that what you are not understanding or troubling you.

At the end of your question you can post your link as "Source of confusion: <Link>"
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