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1161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Vericoin VRC ICO three days away!! on: July 17, 2016, 06:30:35 PM
they also invented the ETH rollback / hardfork ... what is VRM?

Yeah not sure what there is to be excited about. Vericoin was the first to rollback a hack.
1162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 17, 2016, 11:43:12 AM
Seems counterproductive to post about there being XMR apparel then show DASH and ETH images?

1163  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 17, 2016, 09:58:09 AM
When watching a video of Mike making the coins once, I saw bare hands/fingers being used to place the Holo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NyzDY7NUOo
^^
your answer?

Seems the manufacturing process was NOT sterile - Note the upload date. Use this as a reference for coins where the holo is at issue. Coins around this period included ?


QUOTE
A short clip of applying holograms to Casascius physical bitcoins. Helpers are placing private keys from a jar onto the coins and also peeling the holograms onto transfer tape. Another helper puts the coins on a flatbed scanner for later identification and funding."

Thats a LOT of handling....

People have been so focussed on the Slabs and capsules yet it seems sensible to wind back to the very start of the creation process and look for early issues.
To the point that a coin has even yet to be struck. How were the blanks handled? How were they moved around? How many hands/fingers touched them throughout the lifecycle of creation? etc etc. Think like that and I believe you will find you answers far faster

No disrespect to Mike in any way, but he wasn't the Royal Mint. I would describe the process of his creating coins as semi pro hobby craft in the early days. Issues would easily creep in as appears to be the case with the early coins and their holos.



If this was the case for his 2013 silver coins then there would be noticeable finger prints on the coins which there werent.

When dealing with silver coins it is difficult to apply the entire process without adding finger prints to the silver coins without using gloves.

Brass not so much (even though I tend to use gloves for those as well).

It would seem the finger print issue is not the cause of it as it would be obviously visible on the surface of his silver coins from 2013.

I covered the Silvers above by acknowledging that they appear to have marked a change in process of manufacture. However, manual handling of the Priv key AND the holo,  by multiple persons, appears NOT to have changed (Mike can clarify?). So even if the Silver coins are treated and handled with utmost care AND with gloves, the keys and holos were not, ergo the perfect entry point for chemicals.
If two persons body grease/sweat mix it can create additional chemicals which can have a noticeable impact. This is well known.

In light of the video itself, I believe there's now compelling evidence indicating that the manual elements of production are a very likely contender for being the cause of the issues currently being faced by Coin owners.

Again, I think Mike is probably the one best placed to highlight production issues of the time.

What  was the humidity in the room like?
Room Temperature?
Were people hot/warm/cold while working?
Had the room been recently decorated?
Had anyone had pizza that day, afternoon, evening? (you get the idea)


There are so many variables possible during production that, if you have satisfied yourselves that the slabs absolutely cannot be the issue, then by axiom the creation process MUST play a more significant part in the investigation.

Currently, all evidence points to production as the weak point and most likely cause of dots and spotting. It may be the Holos themselves at the point of THEIR manufacture.
Am I correct in thinking that the paper used for priv keys was removed from the list of culprits?
Viz

I agree it boils down to two categories of factors (with numerous variables):

1. The assembly process

2. the holograms themselves were slightly made different in production in terms of quality consistency etc.

If I had to guess it sounds more like an aging process of the coins as I remember opening up my roll when I initially got them and never saw one of those dots until many months later.

This is my own personal experience with the coins I am sharing and am in no way claiming to be an expert at all. All I can do is speak from my experience with Mike's coins as well as my experience with dealing with holograms on my own coins that are months and years old which have not had that issue.

Obviously something is different, what that is to me is a mystery thus far.
1164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This asshole published my private key! on: July 17, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
Almost one week now running the bot to check for balances on these keys.  No luck yet.  Pretty hard to believe because my bot can scan fast.  Embarrassed

Well, it's been running for about two weeks now.  It is pretty efficient for sure.  But, I've got no luck yet.  I've gone through 10000s of pages of addresses.  None seem to have any balances.  I've actually set up 3 old computers to each run the bot.  So now I am going at 3X speed from last week.  I am looking on EBAY for cheap computers.  Maybe I'll get between about 5 - 10 more scanning the keys.  It a 'RawDog form of mining'!

Wish me luck!

Yeah GOOD LUCK


Good luck finding any addresses that have a balances of bitcoin.

You've been proven time and time again to be a clueless troll who claims to know what he is talking about when it comes to bitcoin.

Troll on and please waste your money on trying to find addresses with BTC in it.

We will all be here to revisit this thread over the months and years to come to laugh at you.

 Cheesy
1165  Other / Archival / Re: Bitcoin Outlawed in Russia on: July 17, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
Now tell me how will they find out who is and who isn't transactioning in Bitcoin. Tell me how to stop them. They can't be stopped, because they're just like us. And now, with the ban, even more people will buy and sell BTC there.

Governments of the world think that if they just make a decree that people will adhere to it.

Of course that can't work 100% of the time for 100% of the people.

What government generally wants is a monopoly on money, which is pretty much bullshit.
1166  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [INTEREST CHECK] - Autographs for the Encyclopedia of Physical Bitcoins on: July 17, 2016, 07:27:48 AM
I'm hoping to have all of my labels and holograms all done lasered signed etc by end of next week. Probably shipped by the following monday.

Sorry for the delay. In Hawaii time moves slower. J/k it's been a busy summer.

 Smiley
Which island?

The Big Island.
1167  Economy / Collectibles / Re: ❎ [SALES OPEN] LEALANA PHYSICAL SILVER MONERO (XMR) - 3-coin sets~ ⭕️ on: July 17, 2016, 07:00:21 AM
Finally got my set #5 today, thanks smoothie, these are really fine coins, I expect they will grade very well! Smiley

Edit - Can you send me a digital copy of the coa's at some point? I assume they will be pgp signed as well so I can prove ownership when they are worth millions of dollars someday? Grin


PM sent with info you requested.
1168  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 17, 2016, 12:36:19 AM
When watching a video of Mike making the coins once, I saw bare hands/fingers being used to place the Holo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NyzDY7NUOo
^^
your answer?

Seems the manufacturing process was NOT sterile - Note the upload date. Use this as a reference for coins where the holo is at issue. Coins around this period included ?


QUOTE
A short clip of applying holograms to Casascius physical bitcoins. Helpers are placing private keys from a jar onto the coins and also peeling the holograms onto transfer tape. Another helper puts the coins on a flatbed scanner for later identification and funding."

Thats a LOT of handling....

People have been so focussed on the Slabs and capsules yet it seems sensible to wind back to the very start of the creation process and look for early issues.
To the point that a coin has even yet to be struck. How were the blanks handled? How were they moved around? How many hands/fingers touched them throughout the lifecycle of creation? etc etc. Think like that and I believe you will find you answers far faster

No disrespect to Mike in any way, but he wasn't the Royal Mint. I would describe the process of his creating coins as semi pro hobby craft in the early days. Issues would easily creep in as appears to be the case with the early coins and their holos.




If this was the case for his 2013 silver coins then there would be noticeable finger prints on the coins which there werent.

When dealing with silver coins it is difficult to apply the entire process without adding finger prints to the silver coins without using gloves.

Brass not so much (even though I tend to use gloves for those as well).

It would seem the finger print issue is not the cause of it as it would be obviously visible on the surface of his silver coins from 2013.
1169  Economy / Collectibles / Re: ❎ [SALES OPEN] LEALANA PHYSICAL SILVER MONERO (XMR) - 3-coin sets~ ⭕️ on: July 17, 2016, 12:32:58 AM
Finally got my set #5 today, thanks smoothie, these are really fine coins, I expect they will grade very well! Smiley

Edit - Can you send me a digital copy of the coa's at some point? I assume they will be pgp signed as well so I can prove ownership when they are worth millions of dollars someday? Grin




Yes I will send over shortly.

Is it more preferred that I sign the certificate information? I mean it is signed with the private spend key of the coin already.

Let me know.
1170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 16, 2016, 09:28:39 PM
...
 promises of "soon coming" GUI are still in force however but nobody seems to care.
...

If this is correct, the implication is that the GUI work has not been priced in by the market at this point.

They dont "seem to care"....yet.

Out of sight out of mind.


That might be true... I think not many think GUI will be ready since it has been in the "soon"-list for 2 years already. We will see if it gets done, what kind of pump it will cause (or if there is no hype it will not cause a pump at all).

The problem with this thinking is that the people who have seen this "soon" mantra for the GUI for 2 years are not the only people in the world who can and will take an interest in monero, should the time be right and fruitful and all the cards line up in the global financial world to cause people to run to other assets than fiat funny munny, monero will have a sunny day.
1171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 16, 2016, 09:27:01 PM
Two Buck Chuck has shown some incredible persistence, but the volume has declined quite a bit so I think that there just isn't a lot of motivation to dump further or bid it up.  It is what is commonly known as a volatility squeeze and so far these have been resolved upward, with an impulsive move.

I certainly support the price staying in this narrow range for as long as possible.

Build a base and then see what happens.

I foresee a global financial meltdown to start in the coming months and carry and echo through years to come.

in 2008 Bitcoin did not exist neither did Monero, so if they did back then how they exist now, any global financial woes would propel them higher.

The house of cards is falling down.

If someone wants more anonymity, they will choose Darkcoin instead I am afraid unless the marketcap will not exceed it and stay above it for ever.
I think the low volume is a sign nobody knows what to do and are waiting for some bigger movement up or down. After all, the support is in low 0.002's - there is pretty thin support around these levels.

LOL @ "more anonymity"

What is your basis in a technical discussion to make such an astute assertion?
1172  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 16, 2016, 09:02:52 PM
PVC contamination could be a possibility, here's an NGC discussion on the topic: https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1445/coin-holders-contain-PVC/

This is likely not the case as the CASASCIUS coins I had resided in the plastic rolls Mike sent to me and were never stored in any other container and some still had those dots.

Pretty sure it aint PVC.
1173  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 16, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
I wonder if it is somehow related to the ring melting process.  I've only seen this on coins with ring melts.

Good point, I suppose that could be possible if the ring melting involves any significant/nonuniform heat transfer..

I could see it being heat related or maybe how Mike held the coins in position during the melting process.  We'd need more info on that process and the equipment used.

So about your coin...  I expect the price will be marked down dramatically because of all the imperfections in the hologram, right dazed? Tongue

He used an epilog mini, which I too have to laser coins/etc.
1174  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 16, 2016, 08:59:53 PM
I wonder if it is somehow related to the ring melting process.  I've only seen this on coins with ring melts.

Good point, I suppose that could be possible if the ring melting involves any significant/nonuniform heat transfer..

I have coins I ring melted from my own collection safely stored and there is no spots despite melting the ring of the hologram.

Then again my holograms aren't 100% identical so not sure if it has to do with any number of factors.

Is it possible that the surface of the coin under the hologram is slightly different and would allow such a thing to happen to some coins and not others? That is a possibility.
1175  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 16, 2016, 08:40:49 PM
If you look at the pics, you can see a similar dot pattern on the actual slab in the clear spots...  I'm wondering if this is some sort of reaction, or possibly residue from the slab getting on the coin hologram over time.  Maybe another downside to having coins graded?

The coins I had were never graded and these dots were on there.

I still think it is an aging process that causes them.
1176  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 16, 2016, 08:38:18 PM
To be clear there were "dots" but not as many as you have here nor as obviously viewable as in the images you shared.

1177  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Casascius hologram issue on: July 16, 2016, 08:37:17 PM
I've had seen this with coins I had that I sold.

Nothing alarming to me about it. I got mine directly from Mike so perhaps it is an aging process?

Can't say I've seen anything like that with my holograms though.
1178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XMR] Monero Improvement Technical Discussion on: July 16, 2016, 07:51:09 PM
One of the ideas I had which I'm not sure how much demand there will be for is a selectable list of fees & mixing for a tx.

It would calculate the tx fee based on different mixins and you could select the "best" tx fee for the best mixin.

I've noticed this is all determined on the fly as outputs to mix with are selected in a "random" fashion using a triangular distribution (at least thats what I remember after reviewing the source).

But one thing I noticed is that the tx fee can actually be higher with a lower mixin than a higher mixin in some cases.

In terms of efficiency I can see people wanting to see a range of mixins and fees that go along with it when creating the tx and select the one they want to actually execute based on their determination of what is "efficient" for them.

This may not end up saving users much money on tx fees now but it could in the long term if they can see a range of mixins/fees to pick from.

Obviously this would make the most sense to incorporate into a GUI and not try to do this via command line, as it would be that more confusing to the average user.
1179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 16, 2016, 07:36:48 PM
Two Buck Chuck has shown some incredible persistence, but the volume has declined quite a bit so I think that there just isn't a lot of motivation to dump further or bid it up.  It is what is commonly known as a volatility squeeze and so far these have been resolved upward, with an impulsive move.

I certainly support the price staying in this narrow range for as long as possible.

Build a base and then see what happens.

I foresee a global financial meltdown to start in the coming months and carry and echo through years to come.

in 2008 Bitcoin did not exist neither did Monero, so if they did back then how they exist now, any global financial woes would propel them higher.

The house of cards is falling down.
1180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 16, 2016, 07:33:47 PM
...
 promises of "soon coming" GUI are still in force however but nobody seems to care.
...

If this is correct, the implication is that the GUI work has not been priced in by the market at this point.

They dont "seem to care"....yet.

Out of sight out of mind.
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