when i try to login my raskul account:
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Do you know that making a new account after being banned is considered man evading?? The ban is personal, not only account related. Just archived this for future reference : http://archive.fo/pf6YFI think this is the notice the forum gives you when your account has been locked after being dormant for too long or if the wrong password was attempted too many times, and not because you were banned. See the BPIP entry: raskul. |
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Why would a legitimate project need to hire a thread shilling/bumping service?
These users/bots have been reported multiple times for plagiarism and duplicate posting on several threads: amanai, kk777, Klacik, bitokman, CoinNextE, Tiny_Prism, Green Lantern, guarino, slovenia1, 12coins, peetah, boomertoo. Any project where these users have been posting should be considered suspect.
Hey! I don't know about any service.  But if you think our project is suspicious, just check out the smart contract and match it with our whitepaper! Everything is fair and transparent! Link: https://etherscan.io/address/0xa07f66bee650f6260fa79130c71901e0f00b863c#codeAll of the aforementioned 12 users were found to be posting the same conversations (mixing up who said what) in 6 different threads (including this one) and if you go back farther into their post histories you'll find another set of threads in which they did the same - the earlier shilling contracts, most likely. Hiring people (or bots) to post in a thread to make it look more active than it really is is called shilling, after the similar practice of using fake bids on an auction to artificially inflate the sale price. Maybe you didn't personally hire these shills, but there isn't much argument that shilling didn't occur. |
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totally agree with this point - I nearly sent a merit to a bounty spammer earlier because he made a funny post.
So why didn't you merit it? ...merit is to be given for high quality posts and not post history. In an ideal world I would agree with you that each post should be considered on its own as to whether it is worthy of meriting, but in this particular world a single merit is all that stands between those 1000 post newbies and the ability to spam for sig campaigns once again. Hence why one should have a care before smacking that merit button. |
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Meta is supposed to be accessible to all ranks to ask about or discuss issues with the forum itself, so I am more in o_e_l_e_o's camp that adding one or more dedicated mods for this section is the best solution. After all, meta is one of the busiest sections on the forum and there really ought to be a few mods in every section, spread out among widely separate time zones.
That said, as long as you at least glance at the first page of an unfamiliar user's post history to check for "good projekt" shitposts and bounty reports before doling out a merit there shouldn't be much of a problem with ranking up undesirables.
Also, several of us have nailed quite a few newbies that strayed into meta for plagiarism; they came here to whine about getting demoted or just outright beg for merits and left with an eviction notice.
Finally, I wouldn't disable the display of signatures because it often provides useful context to a post. For example, some sig campaigns will hire anyone - privcy and eloncity come to mind - so if I see one of those sigs I am more inclined to check the user's post history for plagiarism, shitposting, etc.
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It's been more than 24 hours the 6 threads I listed above have come to a screeching halt!
So it looks like submitting at least 2 plagiarism reports per user did the trick as all but a couple of the bump-bots logged in this morning around 8AM my time (UTC-4) but haven't posted.
While this took a lot more work than the usual plagiarism reporting, it was also way more satisfying.
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Not only that, but the project that the OP is advertising for is one of several using a shilling/bumping service: Neluns - p179. So, looks like they hired the right quality user for their campaign.  |
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The following users have be reported multiple times for plagiarism/duplicate posting and carrying on a fake conversation for the purpose of shilling: amanai, kk777, Klacik, bitokman, CoinNextE, Tiny_Prism, Green Lantern, guarino, slovenia1, 12coins, peetah, boomertoo. Since the OP enabled self-moderation of the thread he/she can be banned as well, and the entire thread deleted, for violation of the "no incentivized posting" rule.  |
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This thread was consistently on the first page of the ANN section - what happened?!?
Well, maybe it's because these users/bots have been reported multiple times for plagiarism and duplicate posting on several threads: amanai, kk777, Klacik, bitokman, CoinNextE, Tiny_Prism, Green Lantern, guarino, slovenia1, 12coins, peetah, boomertoo.
Any thread that features "conversation" between these bots should be considered suspect/scammy. Oh, and if you think that "blockchain" can cure cancer I have some prime Florida swampland to sell you.
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What are the distinctive features of this project? I want to know why such a large number of participants join the project? How is it useful to people?
This project will be useful primarily to developers, because the project’s functionality is aimed at creating good conditions for product development. What are you talking about? Can I have more information about this? What tools does the project use to create the best possible conditions? Why would a legitimate project need to hire a thread shilling/bumping service? These users/bots have been reported multiple times for plagiarism and duplicate posting on several threads: amanai, kk777, Klacik, bitokman, CoinNextE, Tiny_Prism, Green Lantern, guarino, slovenia1, 12coins, peetah, boomertoo. Any project where these users have been posting should be considered suspect. |
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You can trade BCI on stex.com (formerly stocks.exchange), but I've never had a positive experience with them and they have a bit of a shady reputation. I'd wait for hitbtc or bitfenix to open their wallets again personally.
Stex (nee, stocks.exchange) is everyone's favorite punching bag, but I've been trading on there for about a year and haven't had any major problems. In fact, their new site is nearly as good as Bittrex (heresy, I know!). |
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Basically, if you can give more than one example of a copy/paste post or someone else/several people report the same post with you ...you'll get them banned, that's for sure.
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Yeah, I was coming to the same conclusion right around the time you posted this, so I loaded up the post histories of some of the bots I'd already reported and found at least 1 more example of plagiarism for each of them. All the new reports are currently marked unhandled so I'll wait another day to see if that does the trick. Pretty much all of the threads I thought I had shut down by reporting the bump-bots are back in full spamming swing again. * * * Outstanding work! One of the names on your list came up on mine - CoinNextE - which is a bit depressing. Scrolling through that account's history there is a huge gap in dates on p27 as well as a change in wording/style so I'd have to agree that the account was likely sold. That's gonna hurt but good when it's nuked, as it's a full member account. * * * FWIW, here are the users I've reported at least two different examples of plagiarism if anyone wants to pile on: bitokmanamanaislovenia112coinsTiny_Prismkk777peetahKlacikboomertooGreen LanternguarinoUPDATE - All of my reports providing additional examples of plagiarism were handled/marked good overnight. I also saw that xtraelv posted a shill warning in each of the 4 threads most heavily employing the bots - EvenCoin, SafeInsure, Neluns & DBX. There are other threads they are active in, but those either had less plagiarism or more real conversation going on in between all the bot-chat (with some poor schmucks replying to bots...). |
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Outstanding overview, xtraelv! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
The actual amendment that pertains here is the 4th...
Both amendments apply. But the 5th is most relevant. It's a good thing I inserted the classic IANAL disclaimer! Retention of the data also makes it not just a search but a seizure. It the data kept ? Who owns the data ?
I'm sure intellectual property rights and "copying and keeping a copy of property"were not considered when the constitution was written.
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Having to disclose a password or encryption key would fall under this category. (Self incrimination)
The current argument is that they are not "in the United States" but in "Customs pre-clearance". Interesting. I wonder if there is an old case - prior to the telecommunications era, that is - in which a US customs agent was challenged for copying the written contents of letters/manuscripts of a citizen returning to the country, as that would provide fairly direct precedent. Nevertheless, it is clear that if you leave the US many of your basic rights will be suspended or, at least, weakened, upon your return. I wouldn't recommend cloud storage for critical private information. Anything on the internet is vulnerable and it is potentially there forever. You potentially have multiple foreign nations trying to get access to it.
Yep, I totally agree with this. I don't keep anything critical on cloud services like OneDrive, DropBox, etc. and just assume that malicious (or otherwise) state actors can access cloud services at any time they please. Veracrypt for the win! |
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Judging by the spam in this topic - this is a project without a future)) And it is promoted by bots-spammers) This is immediately obvious) Yep, and a few of us have been tirelessly hunting down all the duplicate postings made by these bots/spammers which eventually got them banned. No doubt this thread will swiftly fall back into the obscurity it deserves. EDIT - or, maybe not... come on global mods, hurry up and ban the bump-bots! |
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Reporting the individual posts is still important. The accounts get a warning and the progressively more serious bans.
It is a bit frustrating though because I reported numerous of them for plagiarized content (copy and pasted their entire conversation on multiple unrelated threads).
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Yeah, I basically just report individual posts now, and mainly for plagiarism, repeatedly posting mining pool ads on every page of an ANN thread, and referral link spam. I do have some good news to report though: many of the people I mentioned in the OP have been banned and the threads they were bumping have come to a screeching halt. EvenCoinSafeInsureNelunsDBX - I saw your shill alert in this one, and no surprise it went unnoticed by the bumper bots. NEOGAME.IOBiohalSo now it's time to go back to those threads and post a warning message in each letting them know why their sleazy tactics backfired, and the above listing will make it easy to keep tabs on them. EDIT/UPDATE - fixed quote, also, the boomertoo and Klacik bots have fired up again; I just reported two more plagiarized posts for each. 2nd UPDATE - Added Biohal & Neogame.io to list of shilled threads. |
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Can you check the links in the OP? I don't see anything about New Zealand in the link you posted, and the link is an article about the US boarder protection agents searching phones/laptops when they enter the US. Nor do I see anything about any kind of fine for not complying.
Here's the article I saw about it: Business Insider |
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Who is it that can ban jr. members and up? Staff and global moderators, or can a section-specific moderator ban people found reported for violations in his/her section?
With the new Jr member merit requirement a lot of newbies have more than 28 activity. Any of them with more than 28 activity cannot be nuked currently. Therefore, only Global moderators, and higher can ban them. Crap, I figured something like that was in play. Theymos really needs to work out those trust issues and give mods more power (and hire a few more of them, too...). |
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Could you please, lighten this topic whether we should work to promote the altcoin or just leave and do quality post rather than quantity post as lots of people are earning from this as part-time employment.
You think you've made quality posts, eh? I went scrolling through your post history and after wading through a good 5 pages of bounty reports I came across this suspiciously worded post: Neblio Blockchain and is the first light-weight payment method in the Neblio ecosystem. I think it will work!
And lo-n-behold, it looks like I caught you repeating a line from the OP: ...
Trifid is a currency layer that runs atop the Neblio Blockchain and is the first light-weight payment method in the Neblio ecosystem.
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Everyone that uses a forum should know that copying text from somewhere else without providing a source reference is plagiarism. |
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... I've reported quite a few of these type of posts over the last 2 days - where a user writes the exact same two/three sentence reply in multiple threads - but so far none of the users (or posts) have been nuked.
Bare in mind that the users might have already been banned. We've been getting a tonne of reports for plagiarism where the user has already been banned prior to the report. Hmm... a lot of my backlog was processed (and I finally made it over 300 good reports - woohoo!) and marked good, but some of those involved have been posting since then: peetah - - last post was ~1 hour ago slovenia1 - last post was ~3 hours ago CoinNextE - last post was ~2 hours ago boomertoo - last post was ~4 hours ago kk777- last post was ~5 hours ago amanai - last post was ~5 hours ago Klacik - last post was ~4 hours ago bitokman - newbie, last post was a few minutes ago Who is it that can ban jr. members and up? Staff and global moderators, or can a section-specific moderator ban people found reported for violations in his/her section? UPDATE - it looks like all of the above have stopped posting sometime yesterday (Oct 6). Bam! |
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You can report the conversations when they are low quality. I prefer to just put up a public notice like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5031712.msg46561855#msg4656185 <NB - corrected link to actual post> Make them fun, make them all different and make sure to be "on topic" so they violate no rules. The other way is to look at their other conversations and report them for plagiarism which gets a permaban ... Yep, your warning posts are hilarious... except for that one time I spent about 20 minutes reporting plagiarists on the first 3 pages of a thread only to see your warning on the 4th... In this case, I ended up opening the post histories of each of the suspected bumpers in separate tabs which made it much easier to spot plagiarism between them. Supplying an additional report for plagiarism on top of the earlier submissions for duplicate posting seems to have done the trick, as 30 of my 43 unhandled reports were processed overnight. I've already learned that the only surefire ways to get an offender banned are plagiarism and referral link spam - every other rule violation, including the relentless ads that some pool operators post on every single page of a thread, seem to only get the post deleted, if that. And on that note... * * * You can report also Quoting Pyramids.
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You can, but in my experience this usually only results in the offending post getting deleted and that is too much work for all involved (both reporter and moderator) to be worth the bother. It's why I rarely report low value "good project" type posts unless the poster has at least 1 merit or copper membership and their entire post history is low value - but even still I recommending nuking the user rather than delete one spammy post out of millions. * * * It really depends on the individual case for me. I'll delete it if its of low content, and if its particularly a problem I'll message the users involved. If they ignore that or is unbearable I might ignore it so that a higher up member of staff can take a look at it, and decide whether its ban worthy or not. I know this doesn't answer your question, but I guess you sort of see my take on things when I receive reports like this. I get a lot of these types of reports!
I'm really glad you replied since it's always good to get some insight into how a particular mod operates. I think all of us that have made hunting for violators a minor hobby here (or an obsessive quest... like, say, iasenko... ) realize that there has to be some prioritization of the enforcement of the rules, especially for the more subjective ones like whether a post is low value or when an ad for a mining pool ad goes from being informational to spammy. Since plagiarism is an incontrovertible violation I tend to concentrate on that, but I'm seeing more duplicate posts (ie - the same user/bot posts the same reply in multiple threads) these days and getting some feedback on the priority of handling those reports would be welcome. |
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687 posts, 0 merits... you won't be missed, OP.
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