Gravity has never been proven to be real thats why its called a theory.

Jump into the water u will float.

Helium baloons rise up mosquitoes fly up

If gravity was real and holding millions of tons of waterr on a ball in space mosquitoes cannot fly.

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So you claim you won't get shot when the platform starts rotating at 15 degrees per hour? 

goddamit micgoossens

you're about to pass me in total merit. so here, have 2 more, so now you're officially past me and i won't think about it anymore.

I also officially retire from posting in this thread.

What an exercise in futility.

It was entertaining hearing the wacky theories that some people seem to actually believe, though I'm still not convinced they actually believe them.

Uncle Nutildah Out

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

The gyroscopically triggered gun is the is the ultimate instrument of truth; globalist liars get shot in the head. The trigger pulled by the tendency of a gyroscope to maintain a fixed position in space. It's the fusion of truth and justice embodied in a single precision crafted machine. For less than 50¢ per goofball the world can be clensed of these bloodsuckers for good.

The gyroscope axis has two positions:
1. vertical for testing if the earth rotates and,
2. horizontal for execution while the platform rotates.

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

Again this is what comes from dishonesty people lose trust. However, even if we assume the worst case scenario the situation is not so clear. Without the light of honesty everyone is blind.

Lets assume for a moment that the authors suspicion in this case are entirely correct at the MMR vaccine alone has causes autism at a rate of 1 in 250. Now it could be much much lower then that. There are a lot of other toxins that have crept into the western diet particularly pesticides that could be contributing to something like this. There is also an increase in diagnosis motivated by government benefits. For example many children today who are diagnosed today with ADHD for example would have be considered rambunctious boys in the past.

However, for the sake of this discussion lets assume MMR alone causes autism in 1 in 250. We then have to compare that harm to the benefit of suppressing the disease. Without MMR almost everyone would be exposed to Measles Mumps and Rubella at some point in their lives. Measles for example is spread via respiration and has close to a 90% transmission rate to other household members living in the same home.

Measles with current first world medicine has a fatality rate of 0.2%. One in 500 would die if this disease was allowed to rampage unchecked through the population. There is no nutritional cure for viral diseases. Only the majestic workings of the immune system can do that. Things like vitamin C can help the immune system function slightly better especially if an individual is deficient in the necessary vitamin but it is no cure. With a terrible disease like Measles the immune system steps up and does an excellent job. With good nutrition and modern supportive care IV fluids and the like the immune system succeeds 499 out of 500 times 0.2% of the time it fails mostly in young children.  

So now we are comparing 1 in 250 with childhood autism to 1 in 500 dead children. You could argue that maybe the vaccines do other things. Maybe they cause autoimmune disorders, maybe they cause allergies. However, you have to contrast that to the damage of Mumps and Rubella which we have not yet tallied as well as the disabilities that would result from the people who almost died from Measles and suffered some form of organ or brain injury as a result.

The ethical picture is not so clear. This is what comes from working in the dark. When people in power think the masses are too ignorant to kept informed. It is the logical result the erroneous belief that the ends justify the means.

The best course of action at this point given the very real fear of these vaccines is to conduct a large randomized controlled trial in a first world country where these disease are mostly gone. Then the true results and health effects of vaccinated versus vaccinated children could be examined. The raw data should be released to the pubic not just the analysis. Then we could all know and not guess at the harm done. Trust in the scientific community would be somewhat restored. The probable result of this would be somewhere in between the two extremes. Vaccines are probably not nearly as harmful as the anti-vaccine advocates fear but they are probably far more harmful then is commonly believed.

For my own part I have vaccinated my children against the horrible diseases with a high mortality rate. They have been vaccinated against MMR for example. However, I refuse the childhood vaccinations for the less deadly diseases such as the flu as well as those that diseases that can be avoided by behavioral modifications like HPV.  

When I vaccinate my children, however, I rage internally that I live in a society so dishonest that it is not even willing to seriously address either the topic of vaccine danger or even worse undertake seriously the task of exterminating these diseases. Its been 40 years now since we have eliminated one of these deadly disease despite having the technology to do so for generations. That fact more then any other in the entire discussion is symbolic of the rot in our world.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

80% of astronomers are Jesuit trained. The Jesuits are a military organization with unlimited funding and the current Pope is also a Jesuit (he is both the black and white Pope concurrently). The church controls all the observatories and will do everything in their power to stop any kind experimental proof that implies the bible might be true; an authority such as God who is higher than the church is absolutely unacceptable.

People think the FBI overacted when they raided a Sun Spot Observatory a few months back, honestly I think they went in unprepared and undermanned. The entire Air-force base next door needed to be secured with the priest sedated first.

The telescope mount will be able to simulate the Earth's claimed rotation with well beyond 99.999% accuracy, there will be no doubt the Earth is flat when the gyroscope triggers the gun and the atheist screaming "GLOBE!" gets to meet God (he would of said globe before he was sedated of course).

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong What does that mean?

and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... https://www.quora.com/How-many-copies-of-the-Quran-are-in-the-world They say the same for the quran.

the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe. I'm sorry, how does the bible record show ''true'' history exactly? How do we know it's true?

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Not that I want to start pissing off global moderators on my fav forum directly.

However.

1. why not show him the post and put him out of his misery. It also gives confidence there is fair chance of appeal and fair decision as the vast vast majority of appeals have actually demonstrated... which Is a credit to the board.

2. Do you have the power of unban? or just theymos?

3. Are you the same person as hillariousetc?

If this is the case an you have power of unban - then can we introduce a paid for review system because theymos has already said we want rid of net negative scammers and spammers but some who may just have a few copy and pastes and are not financially motivated then can have a deeper review and maybe just a temp ban for few months instead. Also you could even introduce a sig ban for certain amount of time -- so they are put on a list and people can get merit for spotting them if they put them back on .... if they put the sig back on before 6mth or a year..... straight to perm ban.

I don't agree.

Vaccines can never be made totally safe. You cannot activate the immune system without running risks.
They could potentially be made safer if we prioritized it but the best possible outcome is risk minimization and disease elimination so the vaccines become unnecessary.

Take measles the risk of death among those infected is usually 0.2% with modern medicine, Most of those who die from the infection are less than five years old. If we did not vaccinate against this it would be endemic everyone would be exposed to it most often in early childhood. One in every five hundred would die from it. That coupled with the suffering of the disease itself far exceeds whatever harm the vaccine causes.

Measles is an ideal target for elimination it is:

* A specifically human disease, with no animal reservoir.
* An acute, self-limiting disease, infectious for others for only about a week..
* Has method of intervention (vaccination) that works; elimination has been achieved manu countries as a result of immunization.

Even if you think the measles vaccine is worse then endemic measles which is doubtful the risks of the vaccines is or should be of a finite limited duration until said disease is eradicated.

I admit the case is much weaker for things like the annual flu vaccine.

Looks like we have a lineup of concern trolls forming, I'm going to have to charge 50¢ for the bullet.

The experiment can be done at a large observatory, the telescope base floats in a pool of mercury and the platform can be set to rotate at exactly 15 deg/hour. The astronomers are guaranteed to be uncooperative and a team of armed agents will need to secure the premises and sedate the scientists before the gyroscope and firearm are setup.

It will be like God himself is pulling the trigger:

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

Here you are incorrect. Institutionalized falsehood always in the long run leads to worse outcomes then truth. Your logic is understandable. Indeed its probably the very logic the scientist in TECSHARE article used when he falsified his research. It is also wrong.

The problem with lying is that there are always unanticipated side effects. By giving the general impression that any disease for which we have a vaccine is effectively cured as well as the false idea that vaccines do no harm leads to the following bad outcomes.

1) We become apathetic about actually eliminating the disease. We have only wiped out only one disease in history and that was decades ago. That is pathetic given our level of technological development. Measles, Rubella, Hepatitis B, Polio, ect are all disease with no animal reservoir and a viable vaccine. There is no logical reason that these diseases should not be extinct with 15 years. Then we would never need to consider taking a vaccine for it again. However, no one cares anymore because they view it as someone else's problem. They have had their "safe" vaccine why bother.

2) Lies are always exposed. Once they are what chance do you have of wiping out disease then? Do you really think primitive uneducated people will trust you and take their vaccines even when it is their interest to do so once the vaccination has been exposed as a liar and caught minimizing the dangers of his vaccine.

3) Vaccine's work but have rare catastrophic outcomes, the heavy metal preservatives used in some of them are also probably cumulatively toxic with some preservatives worse then others. These are risks that can be minimized and mitigated if we prioritized doing so. We don't prioritize risk reduction when we deny the risk exists.

In the long run falsehood is far more destructive then truth.

If we are honest and fully disclose everything about vaccines yes there would be many who would initially refused to take them relying on others and hoping to hide in the herd immunity. It would even probably lead to disease outbreaks among the unvaccinated in first world countries. However, in the long run it will set the stage for the true elimination of these pathogens.

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

They believe those things because their is no genuine attempt made to clearly delineate the level of harm vaccines cause.

This information is hidden or never researched as the unwashed masses are deemed too irrational or immoral to handle it. So a minority assumes the worst which is understandable.

The only long term solution is total transparency.

Vaccines are a tricky issue.
They have been sold as harmless which is a lie.

Ramping up and priming the immune system is never a zero risk affair.
That process is akin to the functional equivalent of emergently deploying your armed forces to a war zone only to find the enemy tied up and helpless.

Most of the time things work out ok. Sometimes not so much. In rare circumstances the tied up invaders might get free somehow and then you have a real war. Sometimes the deployed army goes rogue and starts attacking civilians. The odds are low but not zero. Another potential issue is the metal preservatives used in vaccines to prevent bacterial growth especially in the multi dose vials they sometimes use in the cheeper flu vaccines.

However, the benefits of vaccination are gargantuan. The elimination of smallpox was a true  triumph of modern medicine and its success also means we no longer need to take the smallpox vaccine. It should be possible to repeat that achievement with polio.

The problem arises from a lack of honesty. We are almost certainly better off vaccinating against the nastier of the diseases until we can figure out how to eliminate them. The powers that be seem to fear that if a genuine discussion of this topic is allowed to occur.

1) People being unable to rationally understand risks will improperly evaluate low probability adverse events and refuse vaccines even when it is in their best interest to get them.
2) People will opt to rely on herd immunity choosing to let others assume the burden. If enough people do this it will lead to peroidic outbreaks of disease.

These fears are not entirely unjustified. However, our dishonesty about the issue also prevents rational cost/benefit decisions about vaccines especially vaccines for less dangerous things like the flu or disease that can be minimized via other lifestyle factors such as HPV. Dishonesty blinds the rational as well as the irrational.