Scientific proof that God exists?

[af_newbie]

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong, and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe.

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.

In addition, if there were no easy method of copying books like the printing press, there would be no science of today. The Bible would be stronger than ever, because it would continue to be copied because of its strength in the hearts of people who were moved by it so strongly that they copied it. But science would not even exist because of its weakness.

What is the strength of the Bible that makes people want to copy it? The strength is the Holy spirit working in the hearts of people, to show them that the Bible is true, and real, and powerful. Science is only dabbling in what is happening in the universe. The Bible is from God Who made and understands all the workings of the universe. The way this is shown is that the Bible has power in people. Science doesn't have this power because it doesn't know how to move people. Science doesn't have the knowledge of how to move people spiritually, but the Bible does, because the Bible has more basic science in it than any science writing.

Why doesn't most of standard science acknowledge things like spirit and soul? Because modern science is so weak that it can't get a handle on them to measure and manipulate them. But the energetic distribution of the Bible shows that God has built the knowledge of soul and spirit right into the structure of the Bible. The Bible is truth. It is a true record. Its strength in moving people shows this.

Sure, science might play with a few things that are under the control of people. But God controls even this, so that His desires are the outcome.

Guess what I am really doing with this post? I am showing you how the Bible shows that it has power and strength, and that it is truth. But I am doing it in such a way that you won't understand the strength of the Bible unless you really want to. You won't understand because you don't want to, but if you wanted to, then you would.

Btw, this is only the beginning of the ways that the Bible can be shown to be way stronger than any other writing, for truth and accuracy, and that it is the Word of God.

You are delusional that is why you are defending a book that cannot be defended.  Christianity was spread by the SWORD and FIRE.

You not only don't know much about science or history but your own religious dogma.  Someone has brainwashed you very well.

I am not sure you'll ever recover from it.  You are a close-minded simpleton and a dangerous radical.

[BADecker]

You are delusional that is why you are defending a book that cannot be defended.  Christianity was spread by the SWORD and FIRE.

You not only don't know much about science or history but your own religious dogma.  Someone has brainwashed you very well.

I am not sure you'll ever recover from it.  You are a close-minded simpleton and a dangerous radical.

You don't seem to even know how to read the writings of your own science. The writings are pointed at specific things. And most of them tell you right out that the writers don't really know the whys and wherefores of what they have scientifically found out.

The Bible isn't written this way. Why not? Because the writers wrote what they saw first hand. And the whole book is so powerful that it touches the hearts of people. Science doesn't have this strength.

[Astargath]

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong What does that mean?

and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... https://www.quora.com/How-many-copies-of-the-Quran-are-in-the-world They say the same for the quran.

the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe. I'm sorry, how does the bible record show ''true'' history exactly? How do we know it's true?

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

[BADecker]

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong What does that mean?

It means that your points are extremely weak when compared with Bible points.

How in the world dumb are you?

[BADecker]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

[BADecker]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Why can't you see this? Because you won't let the Holy Spirit work faith in your heart and mind.

[oneblagobl]

Now read this article, I, as an atheist, it's interesting

[Astargath]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

[BADecker]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

[Astargath]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

[Goldleader]

Interesting thread I must say

[BADecker]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

[af_newbie]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3EEqtcJME

[BADecker]

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3EEqtcJME

Exactly to the point... your video^^^. It shows that you resist God working in your spirit, by making or using such a video.

[philipma1957]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Please correct this.

Some bibles are sold for cash not given away.

Amazon has more then 100000 bibles for sale.

[BADecker]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Please correct this.

Some bibles are sold for cash not given away.

Amazon has more then 100000 bibles for sale.

Amazon Bibles, many of which will be purchased from Amazon, and given away free to others.

The Bible says in several places that people are supposed to paid for their labor. This includes making Bibles.

Many Bibles are sold for their ornamentation... not for the value of what is written therein.

Many Bibles are sold as collectors items, because of their great antiquity... like at The Bible Museum in Goodyear, Arizona.

This shows you how valuable the Bible is. Not only is it saving the souls of people, but it has other value, as well.


Matthew 19:29:

And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Mark 10:29,30:

“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.

So you see? Jesus, Himself, shows that there will be payment from God for sharing the Word of God. But what are you going to pay me for showing this to you? If I give you my Bitcoin address, will you send me a satoshi?


The Apostle Paul speaking in 1 Corinthians 9:12-18:

12If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

15But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast. 16For when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, since I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. 18What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher of the gospel.

Even so, there are multitudes of people in the Gideons and other Bible societies, like Faith Comes by Hearing, where they share audio Bibles with many nations - some that don't have a written language - based on donations of people who are touched by the Spirit of God to help spread the Bible for the saving of souls.

The few people who share science books for free, are nothing compared in numbers, with those who spread the Bible for free.

[Astargath]

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

''That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. '' What's miraculous about a lot of copies in thousands of years? Miraculous would be if any bible was instantly translated to your language just by looking at it. Stop saying stupid shit.

[Melendez]

yes God is exist...

[BADecker]

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

''That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. '' What's miraculous about a lot of copies in thousands of years? Miraculous would be if any bible was instantly translated to your language just by looking at it. Stop saying stupid shit.

Stop playing stupid. You know that the number of copies is only the reflection of why the copies were made. Why were they made? Because people have faith in God to go out and spread the Word of God to the world. This is the strongest motivation to spread any book... love of people, and the desire for salvation for them. It's a God-made motivation.

[Astargath]

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

''That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. '' What's miraculous about a lot of copies in thousands of years? Miraculous would be if any bible was instantly translated to your language just by looking at it. Stop saying stupid shit.

Stop playing stupid. You know that the number of copies is only the reflection of why the copies were made. Why were they made? Because people have faith in God to go out and spread the Word of God to the world. This is the strongest motivation to spread any book... love of people, and the desire for salvation for them. It's a God-made motivation.

Hmm, yes lol, the copies were made because the idiots believed god existed, I don't see how that proves what the bible says it's real. The quran and other books have a ton of copies as well, you obviously do not believe those, why do you think those have a lot of copies?