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1301  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Advice to friend for financial improvement. on: October 30, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
I've noticed a topic in the Bitcoin discussion. I was encouraged by reading the Topic, I wondered if anyone would benefit financially from me. Instead of buying an iPhone, if one invests in Bitcoin, his future will be bright.  Now if someone invests in Bitcoin with the same amount of money.........
The price of the iPhone 15 is $799 and the iPhone Plus and iPhone Pro Max price is higher than $799. If my friend wants to buy the iPhone I will strongly refuse it and give suggestions to invest it in Bitcoin. The first thing I will tell him about the benefits and the purpose of Bitcoin how it was invested and for what purpose it was invested and telling him the uses which take place nowadays after telling him these things I will also make him aware of the risk involved in the Bitcoin because he might be the thing that it is a quick rich. Scheme. If he invests all the $799 or some part of this amount he will buy an iPhone with the invested money but before investing, I will first teach him how to make an investment, which strategy is useful for him when to enter and leave and also telling about the coming bull if he would understand the Bitcoin easily then I will make myself proud because through me a person can meet what he deserves if he passes and start working consistently. I also recommend you give more information about Bitcoin to him so his. knowledge will be more vast and the chance. of. losing ground or error will be minimal.



That completely depends on each person. In my case, my friend is a content creator and photographer, he just bought an iPhone 15 pro max 1T. In your opinion, should I advise him not to buy an iPhone and invest that money in bitcoin? Meanwhile he will use it for his work and maybe make many other iPhones in 1 month of work. We need to know what their purpose is when buying a phone and give them appropriate advice. Bitcoin is not the only investment that generates profits, there are many professions and jobs that generate better profits.

I second with you about that, bitcoin investment is not for all, maybe you are open minded to it and knowledgeable to it but don't expect that you can influence all your friends about investing in bitcoin, also buying the stuff they want is depends on them maybe they just want it to reward their selves or they need that stuffs, I get it the op is a future oriented he only thinks practical and invest in bitcoin than buying stuff, which is also good because investing in bitcoin will get you more than what you want. Again bitcoin investment is not for all, lets say they invest in bitcoin, how can you be so sure that they will earn in a specific date and time? We never know because we can't accurately predict the movement in the market also, investing in bitcoin requires funds, its not just you want invest and just hope you will earn that's not how bitcoin investment works.
1302  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: October 30, 2023, 08:26:55 AM
Well, the image shows that your friend takes the risk. We can't say that it is greedy, as shown he is that your friend bet a huge amount of money and if it was really his bet, then he earned a lot of profit, which is a good thing. As they say big risk means big profit, he takes the risk maybe because he's so sure about his bet. I'm sure your friend is not dumped to go into a bet where he will be in a bad situation. If so, then that's what we call greedy or, let's say, an irresponsible gambler. Imagine betting that huge amount of money on a bet. You are not sure if it will be on your side. That's too much risk. I'm like your friend if I'm sure about the bet I will too take the risk because why not, if I'm really sure about the odds then take it.
1303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if there was only one cryptocurrency, which is Bitcoin? on: October 30, 2023, 06:56:35 AM
I can't really say it would be worse than this. Obviously, it is important to have options, and its great that people have their options, that is not a bad thing and I support that. However, we need to realize that just bitcoin alone itself would have gotten a lot more money as well, people wouldn't invest into silly stuff and all that money would go to bitcoin. Lets assume that bitcoin gets 1 trillion, and all other coins get another trillion, that's 2 trillion total, even if the rest would only invest 500 billion, that would still be %50 more to bitcoin alone. That is why it would have made bitcoin a lot stronger as well and I would be a lot more glad to invest into it without trouble.

I agree, bitcoin itself will be enough, in fact, if bitcoin is only the existing crypto currency its price will be more higher, it will rock sky. Why? Simple, supply and demand, if there are only limited bitcoin due to many investors buying it, and it takes time to mine a bitcoin, then its demand will be higher and higher, resulting in huge profit potential. But, of course, we can't control others as technology will be easily copied, and there are altcoins. Still, it's better, as you said, to have other options so that people will have a variety of coins to play with to earn. But that downside is there are also coins that emerge, coins we call shitcoin which is a dangerous coin mainly used for scamming which is alarming, because as many people still new to crypto they tend to skip learnings and knowledge and tens to invest in those untrusted coin, which is shitcoins.
1304  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Minimum Age to gamble on: October 30, 2023, 04:09:10 AM
I was just thinking exactly this while reading replies when I came upon your post . How underage kids still, likely using a fake identification, purchase and consume alcohol despite the age restrictions placed on the purchase and consumption of alcohol.
Having age limits is fine and a good step in keeping underage kids from indulging in adult activities but how well is the enforcement of such rules? There are underage kids who gamble as well as other adult activities as kids would always look for an avenue to do what they want.

We all have a part to play in enforcement of such rules and should deter such behavior whenever possible. Parents should be more aware of any change in their children’s behaviors and actions and nip in the bud, any potentially harmful behavior.
This is why I said kids have to do their part too, the enforcement of the rules will never be perfect, in fact this cannot ever be the case, just look at all the major crimes that are committed, is every single one of those cases solved? Not really, in a perfect world this will be the case but we are not living in such a world, and if that happens with such important crimes then it is to be expected that lesser crimes and offenses have an even lower resolution rate.

Nowadays, we notice that young people are the subject in most crime cases of rape, killing or gambling, because even you said that children or young should take their part too it, in reality they were not its because they still need a guidance from whom? Of course, guidance from their parents. I know always parents are not to blame always always for their children being in gambling or crimes, but notice a large percentage of young age being associated with gambling or in crimes are the children's that doesn't get enough attention and guidance from their parents, also the poverty are to one also to blame, that's why many young age will find a way to earn money in result to their exposure to gambling. You see, without proper guidance, children will be on the wrong path. So, even if the online casinos set up a minimum age, the age will still find a way to access it because the rules are easy to bypass online.
1305  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a “safe haven asset” on: October 29, 2023, 11:52:20 PM
I slightly disagree about the statement, I both trade bitcoin or crypto and gold or forex, and for me both have pros and cons, bitcoin is long term investment while forex or gold is short term there are periods where you can trade gold, or session what they call. While in bitcoin there are not specific date or time where we can trade and earned a lot. So for me both still the safe haven, it depends on people who trades and for me they are both a valuable asset which gives me a lot of profit potential. And I know many also trade in both forex and crypto and I'm sure they also both love crypto and forex, as crypto for long term with a huge potential profit, and forex which a short term and also can offer a huge profit, it will depends on skillful you will trade.
1306  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How safe do you feel with casinos that ask you to input your log detail. on: October 29, 2023, 10:19:01 PM
I think its normal to put your login credentials frequently in the website, if you dot want that then save password so that you will never put your passwrodd in it so many times, but that is more risky you know, if you dont trust the website then stop using it, I get it you are just concern on your security but I know before you registered in the website casino there is an agreement section that you need to check, if you a responsible gambler who concerns your security then you should read that before signing in, because the moment you check it and created an account then you agree to input your personal details, if you really want to stay away unnecessary website then use a VPN it will protect your browsing in internet, but of course see first if the website casino will allow the use of VPN.
1307  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: You are also like them? on: October 29, 2023, 08:46:13 AM
I know right, they're comedians and later with their videos there's always the sales pitch from their own courses on sale.
That's the funny part, I don't understand these people that are learning from them as they say but it becomes their another source of income aside from trading. If they legitimate make money, they just make themselves prosper through trading. Don't get by their justification about they just want to teach other people make money too.

You got it, point to point, they basically do those videos just to attract investors, to invite them into their group chat like telegram or such, some is legitimate and you will surely receive either signals or they are the ones that will handle your trading account. But it is also the way scammers do, because many people easy shined to the words their hear and earning they see from those eye catching videos scattered in every social media platforms. I once believe that scheme but I come from my senses and just learn on my own, becauss its better to trade based on your own analysis and chart mapping than following videos or other people that you don't know of its true or guaranteed legitimate. But I still follow some I proved that they offer legitimate and accurate signals, because of course there are still few peoples or traders in youtube or in other platform that concerns and want to help other traders especially beginners.
1308  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gender in Gambling [differences between Women and Men in Gambling] on: October 29, 2023, 07:50:14 AM
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Yes, there should be no distinction between the two because regardless of gender, gambling is free to be played by anyone, both men and women, except for minors. As time goes by and technology becomes more sophisticated, we all probably know that there are quite a lot of female gamblers as far back as I see that in the area where I live, almost a few of them are playing online gambling with their cellphones.

Most female gamblers play slot games as many people play these days, why are there currently so many female online gamblers because of the ease of accessing gambling sites and there is no longer any unpleasant treatment for female gamblers if they play at offline casinos, currently Online casinos provide that convenience and tend to have a lot of female gamblers playing too.

I hope, it is like this in most land-based casinos, but, unfortunately, I'm sure there are places where women's gambling is frown upon and maybe there are still countries where women are not allowed into a casino. It doesn't matter that most women don't even want to gamble in those places in the first place. Those who want should be allowed to do so.

Unfortunately, that's fact and we can't remote that as tradition still remain the same in that particular places, there are still women who still living as it was before, I mean they are still continuing the tradition that women is only for a house chores alone and they don't have that freedom to choose whatever they want to do in their lives.

Sad true, but for those who are already liberated, they are enjoying the freedom where they can do what others can and they are enjoying the luxuries.

I disagree with you about that. I'm certainly for sure that there are more women that don't stick to what we call "tradition" where women can only do house chores or house wives, because now many successful people are women, in short, women nowadays can be powerful there are groups that raise the women rights for equality like in men. And I'm sure many casinos now accept all gender, whether men or women. It's just women being a gambler is low because they are not into that stuff. It's more prone to men who like to play the is they play with associated money. And I'm certainly sure there are only a few countries that don't think women are equal to men, but more countries have already broken that stereotyping. So everyone's have the rights and privileges to gamble or go a casino, as the world we live in now is changing.
1309  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Spirituality and Betting - Do they Have any Connection? on: October 29, 2023, 05:41:35 AM
First of all that's a ridiculous idea, it is fun also, but who ever do that, believe me god will not help you, why? You are asking something that is bad in the eyes of god and you think gof will help you, you sre just giving yourself a false hope that the fact is up to you wether you win or lose in your gambling games, maybe some have beliefs like that and we respect that but I guess for me this picture is ridiculous at first glance. Anyway its your own belief I will not judge, just saying dont have too much hope and cling on that, it will hurt you if you hope to much or worst you might blame god if you didn't win and have more losses, which is a sin, so don't blame god because anything happens to you depends on what will you do, its up to you.
1310  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Navigating the World of Online Gambling on: October 29, 2023, 03:33:42 AM
Exploring the world of online gambling, we must have a solid understanding of the rules and regulation that govern our gambling activities, making sure to choose a gambling platform that is trusted and has a good reputations. Additionally, it is also important to set clear financial boundaries and practice responsible risks management.

Always remember that online gambling has its own risks, and it is important to remain alert to the potential for addiction and other negative consequences.
Following responsible gambling principles, such as limiting gambling time and prioritizing entertainment can help ensure that your gambling experience remains stay safe and comfortable.
There are rules that needed to be followed for us to earn more from gambling. When these rules are followed, we can earn as much as possible from gambling and that should not make us to be greedy. The greedy gamblers always make mistakes because they don't followers and and want to earn more than they can sacrificed in gambling. Some of the pro gamblers have been in the industry for a very long time and they know and to go about there ways because they had made several mistakes and can adjust due to the couples of knowledge to they have gained.

Online gambling should be an avenue to serve us right with gambling services to the best satisfaction that we may desire because of the conveniencies it offers, knowing that despite the risk involved, what we gain from gambling is far better than the risk involved or the money lost at the cause because our happiness while gambling is first thing to consider, we got entertained, avoid being greedy or mistakes and gamble as appropriately expected.
Gambling is really just that for fun and good thing that there are tons of platforms which do give out their offerings on gambling field or market on which you could really be able to choose up on places and games on which you do prefer. It is really just the risks on getting addicted is there and this is something that we should really be that careful on dealing with it. It is really just that for fun but due to greed and with those kind of insights about things then it would really be that just hard to resist if you dont have that kind of control just because of those wrong desires that you do have.

You wont really be that minding much on getting wrecked if you are really just that making yourself that sensible towards it because if not then you are really that prone into mistakes
and this might cause up for you to suffer with those common gambling addiction problems or outcome.
Anything associated with money will never be fun or entertaining, maybe gambling games are made for entertainment yes but we can't control the desire of the people whose the nature is being hungry and greedy with money, I don't believe people saying they are gamble just for fun, it will never be for fun if you associated that with money which we know they will hope to earn money from gambling, and that's when their desire comes, desire to have a huge money and they will keep on gambling and wasting money without them realising it. Let's not be hypocrite here I know every gamblers here desired to win a big amount of money but end up getting addicted and wasting money. i know a lot of friends that undergo that  which didn't end well.
1311  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Educating unemployed friends about Bitcoin on: October 29, 2023, 01:51:48 AM
That’s really great to hear mate. Educating people about Bitcoins is good and it will really help them to make a better investment plans. But I would suggest not to give them investment advice. Whether it’s Bitcoins or any other asset, never give investment advices. These friends who are praising you, will only make you responsible if there investment goes into losses. So keep yourself limited to educating only. Tell them about the benefits and decentralised nature of the coin. Rest they will figure out, what to do with these amazing coins.

sometimes being a good friend is quite difficult, especially when it comes to investment advice, it seems difficult, there are also some of my friends who ask me about bitcoin, but I only explain where they can get the most complete information about bitcoin, I also won't suggest them or tell them to invest in bitcoin because from my experience several years ago, I broke up with one of my friends because I advised him to buy bitcoin and invest in it, learning from that incident, I choose who I will teach about bitcoin, don't let the friend you are teaching it to be not mentally prepared for a bearish market, he will definitely immediately do something silly like selling at a loss.
Those who are not well aware of Bitcoin's history and who are not financially strong will never be able to control themselves during a bearish market and as a result they will immediately want to sell their Bitcoin even if they are at a loss. Such incidents happen a lot. If I speak for myself, I know enough about Bitcoin's past history, but I often panic when I see Bitcoin falling in price. This is because I am not financially strong enough and therefore I have less loss tolerance. and I think the same goes for others. But if the op can explain it well to his friend. and it is true that his friend will get good return if he can hold bitcoin for long term
Yup true you are explaining the truth. I agree with you that this could be a logical reason for our failure to hold long time. I also sometimes wonder why we fail to hold long time cryptocurrencies despite thousands of attempts. Although sometimes we are very motivated to hear the success stories of others.  But when we go to hold ourselves, we lose patience and that motivation no longer works in us.  And this may be due to our poor financial condition as you mentioned

And to add, I think bitcoin is not for everyone or for all your friends, especially if they are unemployed. You know that bitcoin is a long-term investment, so you will need quite a bit of funds to start with it. Whether you hold or trade, you will need to put some capital in it to survive because equity is important. And if your friend is unemployed, then it will be hard for them to invest in bitcoin as they don't have a source of income. I think it's better to help your unemployed friends land a decent job first. If they have sufficient funds, you can start to introduce them to bitcoin, or even if they are unemployed, you can teach them how to earn bitcoin, but don't let them engage right away. Help them first to have a job and enough funds to do so. In that way, they will be ready to balance the money.
1312  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is health and health is Bitcoin. on: October 28, 2023, 11:30:57 PM
I have being unhealthy for a while but to read and make a research of coin I should invest , but due to health issues I could not make research.

in summary without a good health you will not think out of good project to invest. so without a proper health I don't think Bitcoin investment can be actualize.
You should prioritise your help first before investing in bitcoin, investing in bitcoin can be stressful it can add that to your concern and could be worsen your condition and investing in bitcoin requires a money so if you are in bad condition it is not appropriate to invest in bitcoin as you need to have expenses for your health. Remember many become sick because of stress done by bitcoin to them, it is because investing in bitcoin is not an easy things and it doesn't give you a guarantee that you will earn, if you really want to invest in bitcoin better be in better shape first and study and be patience in learning the new stuff. So goodluck in being in shape first before investing, and also goodluck if you will start investing in bitcoin it will not an easy journey but I know you can and you will find a way.
1313  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not a casual fan but want to participate in sportsbetting on: October 28, 2023, 10:28:45 PM
That's right being familiar to the players and how they play will be the key for you to win more in sportsbet, why? Because you can't just rely on luck or you will choose this team because they looks a strong team at such, no, in sportsbet there are more to consider such as odds on the team or maybe bet in a player. So we suggest watch more about NBA before you bet because you will only bet aimlessly if you do that. You don't have to be an NBA super fan, just being a familiar in the players and teams will be enough for you to bet in the team or player with the highest odds of winning, I also bet in NBA and yes I strive to know the teams and players before I participate in sports betting, it look hassle but if you don't want to lose your money then you have to make effort.
1314  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New way to keep your seed phrase secure. on: October 28, 2023, 12:15:11 PM
Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

How is that a new way to secure seed phrase? You put it in a paper, and what if someone pick it up? I m sure they are not that dump to not think to use a translator as, we know that most seed phrase is in english. There's too many loop holes in what you suggested. Maybe for you only it will be effective but believe me its not. If you really want to secure your seed phrase then don't write it in your paper, "secure" means no one besides you will access it, so think of another way to secure it. For me even if you don't believe I memorized my seed phrase, that is the most effective way to secure my seed phrase, in case I forgot it I have plan B which is my seed phrase are being encrypted, how? Well IT think I created a program just for me to encrypt and decrypt anything that I want.
1315  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A weird belief among some gamblers. on: October 28, 2023, 11:15:47 AM
So why this belief or do you think it could be true? Or is it one of those superstitious belief among gamblers?
Do you feel cool sharing your predictions with other people and how has the outcome been looking at all the times you have shared your predictions with others?
It's quite funny that someone still holds such antiquated beliefs in this day and age. How can someone lose their bet slip if they give it to someone else? How does it work or connect? Anyone who holds such illogical beliefs needs to be examined to determine what is wrong with them(the state of their mental health). 

A normal person will never think in such a way. He would ask you to assist him in determining whether the forecasted bets had a possibility of winning or not by analyzing the betting games. It will now be up to you to place your bets on the games as instructed or to adjust particular aspects of the bet games.

Well we can't blame them, I myself have my own beliefs whenever I play gambling games, its like my ritual or what I want to do before I start its just like a habit of mine. Some may think I'm weird or others like you think that what we doing is not relevant to what we bet or play, but for us gamblers who holds a ritual in our own accord it satisfy something to us, more like a piece that we need to do because if not we think that our preparation before gambling is not complete. Well the thing you can do is just accept or just respect gamblers with belief or ritual, we have our own ways to win. Anyways I respect your opinion and you do have a point but sadly it will not affect does who have their own belief as that what they believe.
1316  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cross addictions is Just as Bad. on: October 28, 2023, 09:56:29 AM
Personally, I don't see anything wrong when an addiction is replaced by another addiction, for example, one that requires less money. If a person instead of replacing an old addiction simply acquires a new one, it is a completely different situation. Instead of one addiction, he gets two. In my opinion, this is where the greatest danger may lie.

One of my friends liked to drink alcohol while gambling, but when he started to smoke marijuana he stopped controlling himself. This led to him not only losing all his money, but also getting into unpleasant situations in the casino.

"Addiction" from the word itself, anything associated with gambling is consider as bad, becauss anything that is too much can be bad, and nothing wrong with replacing the recent addiction to another? T hat's a twisted thinking how could there be no problem in that? There is!!!. Anything should be done with moderation in that way you will control yourself. And from alcohol to marijuana? Sre you kidding marijuana is much worst its like your friend ungraded his addiction into another level. Of course things will be much worse because we know even if he switched into smoking mariajuana he will still drink alcohol and added with gambling in casino its sure that he will have a bad happenings in casino or his life will be much more worst. Associating a vise during casino will be bad its like wasting your money in both gambling and vise which is a really unpleasant situation.
1317  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Possible measures to stop online gambling addiction. on: October 28, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
It's not a complete solution, but it's worth a try. Why do I say this is not a complete solution? The reason is simple, we make settings to block access to websites, so we can unblock access if we want to play. If it's a mobile application, we can uninstall it, but one day we can also reinstall it. Making settings like this can be tried, but I'm sure, if someone are really addicted, he will make the settings inactive whenever he wants.
Actually, this type of measure is useless as it can be redone within a few seconds/minutes. Even if you break your computer/laptop/mobile phone you can not stop yourself if you can't control yourself mentally. You can buy a new one and create a new account there or recover the previous one.

But it can be useful if the gambler doesn't hold the access I mean, theres a lot of app that can lock, block certain app or website wireless meaning other person's device could have the privilege to lock certain apps and webiste to gamblers device. I do that once to my friend he asked for helped and I come up with this idea as I'm well known when it comes to technology. And it is effective for him because even he begs for me to unlock the website for him I didn't listen, in short I helped him a lot, so I suggest anyone who could read this try this method but of course to your trusted friend or family, it is worth to try than doing it on your own and you know you couldn't go anywhere by doing it alone, seek out for help that will help you with your addiction.
1318  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin for everyone? on: October 28, 2023, 07:45:56 AM
No, not fof even bitcoin investment as holding or such, or bitcoin trading, this kind of stuff is not for everyone especially for those who don't have enough knowledge and strong emotion. Especially for trading, anyone could hold bitcoin, but in trade, yes they can trade but don't have a guarantee if they will hit a profit. What I mean about not for anyone is anyone who don't have a patience and dedication to learn before they engage in trading or investing on bitcoin, that's why there's a lot of people who bas mouth bitcoin as a scam because they are the ones that failed to earn through it and gave up to learn just because they lose money on their first try which is not good, just because they failed because of their own doing they will bad mouth and discriminate bitcoin, which is for us bitcoin is a big opportunity to earn.
1319  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think if you have a lot of money its hard to satisfy your ego in gambling on: October 27, 2023, 10:53:30 PM
We have threads here about people betting millions of dollars on sports battings and other games in casinos and the amount of money is insane, they can bet millions of dollars on one team and they easily forget everything and bet another millions.

I doubt if we have high rollers who will admit, that having a lot of money means you cannot satisfy your ego or that your level of enjoyment is high that you will need to bet millions of dollars just to fulfill your dopamine level.

What do you think, if I have millions I will be satisfied betting thousands of dollars for fear of addiction that will lead to losing my fortune, but I really don't know if I will reach that level of having millions and still be moderate in gambling.






I don't think all rich people gamble especially if they have this much money, but there are still people who do this, the arrogant rich people I think or spoiled brats.
It's not a joke to have that much money and then just bet on gambling just like that, I'm the one who regrets it because you can gamble for a low amount.



Yes, not all rich people gamble. Those people who work hard for their money will not waste it just to lose it in gambling. Those rich who gamble aggressively are the ones who experienced a wealthy lifestyle the day they were born; they are the ones who sensibly waste money because they don't know how hard it is to earn it. If I am right, I will never gamble, even if it is just for entertainment or a hobby, especially since I know how hard it is to have money these days. High rollers are also the ones who have so much money that they don't know where they will put it and end up becoming gambling addicts, which can result in their downfall. Why do they bet a high amount? Yes, because of their ego, they want to win big or they want to flex their wealth; in that way, they will satisfy their own ego rich people tend to do that.
1320  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do You Use Crypto Signals? on: October 27, 2023, 09:59:34 PM
Crypto signals are not completely accurate, as a trader what you need to focus on is increasing your knowledge about crypto and continuing to search for information independently, nowadays there are many places to learn and look for trading insight on the internet.

Joining a crypto signal group is fine as long as we don't fully believe in using crypto signals as an additional reference for us in trading. I myself also have several crypto signal groups, but only to match the results of independent research. Because that way we won't get tired of constantly monitoring the market. For me, crypto signals are only help after/before we analyze a market.



I agree. I once copied trades using signals from other groups and quite realised that they had different signals. At first, I only used signals to follow as I didn't have enough experience and knowledge in trading, but I noticed that I lost often as I also had limited equity. That's why I stopped copy trading and traded on my own analysis and chart mapping, but I still look for the signals in other groups as a reference only. I will plot my chart mapping, look into the signals, and see if I have the same signals as the others. And because I trade on my own account, I can trade with only my limited equity, which I can now maximise. So I guess signals can only be treated as references not to follow; it's still best if you follow your own analysis and mapping; it's self-fulfilling, and you will also gain more experience from it.
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