There are a few good suggestions like using adblockers and other chrome plugins but some of those plugins still collect your data and sell it to the same companies which you are trying to protect yourself from.

I remember there was a popular plugin called ghostery and it was doing this exactly. So don’t download random plugins just because they offer privacy/adblocking features.

You will be replacing one evil for another.

Cheap VPN services do it too even though they claim they don’t.

We have seen mixing services doing it also, so stay alert.

Unless you can see what code you are running, it could be anything.

To make money, you need to spend money. If you are afraid of losing money, you will never have the business experience which you can only obtain by spending money. You can borrow money from the banks and use it as your capital. That’s a bad idea unless you exactly know what you are doing. If you spend the money you own and go bankrupt, you will have the business experience in return. If you borrow money and go bankrupt, now you owe the bank money too.

Start small. Use your own capital. Trial and error. Then go big when you are ready. There is no easy way.

That would require everyone to create their own LN nodes which is not practical unless we are going to use custodial wallets which probably nobody wants. LN is a temporary band-aid, it is not a permanent solution.

The managers can avoid this obstacle if they offer both an alt and btc as payment. The participants can choose the currency which is offered by the manager.

If the managers do this, they can still list their camp in btc/services because they are paying with btc if there is a demand for it  

Let’s see how many people will want to get paid in btc.

You think there are some?

They are running the banks, businesses, countries. See which companies are WEF members. Do you want me to do the research for you? Here it comes:

https://www.weforum.org/partners/

When I take a look at the list, I see it is harder find a non-WEF affiliated business.

It is time to wake the fuck up.

Does it still sound like a conspiracy theory?

Privacy will be gone completely in a few years. We will be sharing our cars and homes with strangers. I already share my country with millions of illegals thanks to the US politics in the Middle East. Make a google search and see which country hosts the most refugees(!).

The US has been taking thousands from the Mexican border.

These things happen because of the evil globalist fucks like Klaus Schwab.

I think altcoin sig camps should be more common since bitcoin’s transaction fees are becoming a pain in the ass lately. I am getting 70-90 usd weekly in btc from my sig but blackjack.fun’s withdrawal fees take half of that. It is not sustainable like this.

Ltc, doge, usdt sig camps should be more common. At least one of these currencies are available on every service. They are well known projects and their price are nearly as stable as btc.

Do you think coin mixing is the answer to this problem? If you use mixers, then the exchanges will freeze your funds again because now your coins are coming from a mixer.

XMR can't be tracked so you are always bearing a risk when you use it on the centralized services and businesses, that's if you can find any business that accepts your monero. No business, no risk. Only happy hodling.


From their point of view, people who buy these tainted coins without a discount are the dumb ones. They take the risk for free.


Same here, wanna keep this up for another hour?  

XMR is 100% fungible, unlike bitcoin. That's why the government doesn't like it and centralized exchanges are delisting it.

Say you received 1 btc from ISIS and sent it to whirlpool... when the coin is mixed, the authority won't be able to know if your coins came from ISIS or not. This time, you are bearing the risk of using mixed coins. You exchanged one risk for another. The gov don't like that too.


Certain coins can be traded for a 50% discount indeed. Do you deny it? Are you saying it never happened? Do you claim people will never buy bad coins for a discount?

Bisq's liquidity is another topic. It certainly lacks liquidity. That's another fact. Do you deny that too?

If nobody accepted bitcoin, bitcoin wouldn't have a price. You are selling 1 coin for a million dollars. You are the only seller on the market. There are no buyers. What's the worth of that coin? Zero or one million dollars?


You said people use dex and trade their tainted coins all the time and I asked how many people? I see there are only ~250 offers for FIAT/BTC pair. The volume on bisq is indeed booming /s

Andreas knows his shit, definitely more than you do. :/

Agreed.


They are taking the risk of getting questioned by the police and possibly doing time. That's the risk they are taking for buying these tainted coins. You are willing to take that risk for free. Do you think it is smart? Not from their point of view. You brought decentralized solutions to the discussion but last time I checked, bisq was a ghost town and exchanges like eXch aren't really decentralized. When they have a volume above the limit, it will ring a bell and the gov will take it down just like how they did it to chipmexer.



Every other single person out there who's using dex's and how many are there of those people actually? Can you give me a number? And compare it to the people that use centralized exchanges maybe? What is the rate? 1 to 100? 1 to 1000? 1 to 10.000? There aren't as many people that use dex's. as you think there are.

Right now there are 173 offers for the EUR/BTC pair and 68 offers for the USD/BTC pair on bisq.


Let's hear what Andread Antonopoulos has to say about this.



At minute 3:40, He says  bitcoin is fungible-ish. He doesn't say it is fungible. He says exchanges are starting to reject some coins and that's becoming a problem. Before he talks about that, he explains what fungible is.

I'll copy paste it too:



At 1:24, His explanation is spot on, money is fungible indeed. He said FIAT are also fungible because nobody checks their serial numbers but that's not true for banks. Banks do check them from time to time. He was wrong there. Yes normal every day people and businesses don't have the patience or resources to check the serial number of a dollar bill. I said this in my first post in this topic too. With bitcoin, chain analysis is much faster and automated so it doesn't apply to bitcoin. Exchanges do check bitcoin's history on the block chain. He is also missing something else there, FIAT is not money, I'll come back to this later.


You are not more informed than blackhat on this matter sadly. Do you know what is more dangerous than being uninformed? Being half-informed.

Money is fungible. It is because money is a commodity. Every commodity can become money. Rice, tobacco, coffee, water, gold, copper... Some are obviously more practical than the others. Gold coins are definitely more practical than water for example. Commodities are fungible.

FIAT is not money. It is a currency. (It used to be money when it was backed by gold, a commodity. Now it is backed by nothing.) That's the difference between a gold coin and a dollar bill. One of them is money, the other one is currency. Bitcoin? Bitcoin is close to be money because it is "fungible-ish". It is not fungible. "Fungible-ish", means its position can change from situation to situation. In the USA, it is not really fungible. In Russia? It is fungible probably since no Russian business will care.

If you can sell you hacked coin to some careless or uninformed people, it is fungible for you because people like blackhat will take these coins without thinking about the consequences of their actions.  How many of those people are there? Definitely not as many as blackhat thinks. Maybe he doesn't live in EU or USA where people get punished for that kind of stuff.

Yes I have heard about deals like that before.


Amazing.  



Might be. I am getting my coins from an exchange and sig camp payments. I don't have any other coin income. So If my sig camp payments are tainted, It might cause me problems. I heard binance locking people's accounts randomly without a reason and these people did their KYC already. That might be the reason why they do that.


Fungi.

Let's see what fungibility means again.


"One part or quantity may be replaced by another equal part or quantity"

So, when cryptosize above said, people can take them bad coins for a discount, his example already violated the description of fungible. And when nobody wants these tainted coins, that means these coins can't act as currency anymore. If nobody wants them, they ain't fungible. They can't perform. They can't function. (except for you, to you they are still fungible. The FBI will buy that story I think, good luck  )

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btw this description of fungible is the first result on google. I didn't cherry pick it.

Let's ask the question again but this time change it a little bit.

This time blackhat wants to buy some gold and I happen to have some gold on sale. Blackhat can't buy it from somewhere else for some reason and I am his only option. Here is the catch, I stole the gold coins (coins don't have serial numbers on them) from a jewelry store. I am a thief but blackhat doesn't know it. To him, I am a legitimate seller.

Would he take that deal?

I'd bet he would.

Let’s say you want to buy some bitcoins but you can’t buy it from an exchange for some reason and I happen to own some coins on sale. So are you telling me, it wouldn’t make any difference to you if I wanted to sell you some coins with very bad history? (Maybe Isis used my coins to fund their operations or I got my coins from an exchange hack and I am that hacker) I want to sell you my coins directly, without using any third party exchange/mixer. Would you take this deal? (You want to buy coins and I am the only option you have, this is the situation basically)

According to your logic, you should.

If you say “no”, now you see why it matters.

It is exactly the reason why some bad people use mixers too. It is because they can't spend these coins. Nobody wants them.

Are you saying btc coming from a certain mixer/casino and binance are the same? Many exchanges surely don't treat them the same way. Coinbase for example don't like it if your coins coming from an online casino (so I've heard)


According to this description, btc isn't fungible because coinbase will refuse any btc originating from a casino while they'll accept it if it is coming from somewhere else. Why is that? These coins have the same everything except for one thing: their history. You can't identify a gold coin's history as you do it with btc.



Not by the general public. No big business accepts monero. I don't know (m)any at least I can say that much. People do p2p deals probably.

They do it on purpose. It is all fabricated. Just like covid. Seriously though, why haven't anybody caught covid19 this winter? I see nobody is fainting on the streets anymore. Come to think of it, I only see these fainting people on the internet and they were from China. I never saw it anywhere else.

The next major fabricated disaster will be the climate change. Food shortages is a side/minor disaster like energy crisis. This will lead to a world war if these politicians don't come to their senses.

No I haven’t lied to anybody like that before.

Your story and the other guy’s tweet are pretty awful imo. I don’t know if you are still gambling like that but you should probably seek professional help. The other guy on twitter too. I see no difference between your story and locking yourself in a room and drink alcohol/smoking. See how it looks now? That’s what we call “having an addiction”

If gambling prevents you from doing your daily duties then gambling is not a fun event for you anymore. It became an addiction and it needs to be treated.

If you can track its history, how can it be fungible? FIAT is not fungible too as every physical currency bill has a serial number on it. We usually think FIAT is fungible because nobody checks its serial number when they receive the money. So bitcoin can be fungible if the merchant doesn't care where your coins coming from.

Big companies, exchanges, banks are not careless like every day small business owners. They always track the history of the money you bring to them. If it is not possible to track it, then that's what I would call fungible.

Gold & Silver coins, Monero are indeed fungible as it is impossible to tell who owned them before. The problem with these is, they are dead currencies. Nobody is using monero, gold/silver coins to purchase something so the gov don't care about them.

It is not a surprise why the US gov going crazy on bitcoin mixers. Mixers ruin their job. People are using bitcoin a lot unlike gold/monero.

Banka komisyonu 5% civarı. 5 değil 16 lira banka komisyonu masrafı çıkıyor kredi kartı ile çekim yapılınca. Çok mu fark etti ha 5, ha 16, ha 20 TL diyebilirsiniz tabii ki. Bir de esnaf genelde vadeli POS cihazı kullanıyor yani parayı 35-40 gün sonra hesabında görüyor. Bu şekilde aylık 100 bin TL çekimi olan birisi blokede beklettiği 100 bin tl için bankaya her ay 5 bin tl komisyon ödüyor. 5 bin tl de az para değil adamın gözüne batıyor işte. Niye ödüyorum bunu enayi miyim diye soruyor, kendine bir çıkış yolu arıyor.

Yüksek faizin getirdiği dertlerden birisi de bu. Yüksek faiz parayı ekonomiden çekip banka hesaplarına hapsediyor. Faizin getirisi enflasyon altında kalsa bile, insanlar para kazanmak için değil; -burası çok önemli- para kaybetmemek için paralarını bankada mevduat hesabında bekletiyorlar.

Parası mecburen blokede bekleyen esnaf da beklediği her gün için 5% ödüyor. Mevzu bu.

Esnaf 5% daha koysun fiyata müşteriye ödetsin diyebilirsiniz. Zaten sıkıntı da orada, adam yapabileceği zammın maksimumunu yapmış, daha gidebileceği yer yok fiyat yükseltme anlamında. O yüzden IBAN ile ya da nakit ödeme almak istiyor. Bu şekilde ödeme almakta da bir sakınca yok fiş fatura kesiliyorsa.

IBAN kiralama falan tabi bunlar riskli işler. Bunlar cezalandırılmalı kesinlikle. O IBAN'ı kimin kullandığını nereden bileceksin...

Always buy the rumors (or the hype), sell the news.

Since the hype/rumor is gone, there is nothing to talk about anymore. That means the interest on bitcoin will drop drastically till some other big random event happens. People already acknowledged that btc has 4-year cycles. The markets get hot when we get close to the halving and it cools off after a while.

Since this is a known event now, some investors might front-run it. They'll invest way earlier before the actual event takes place unlike what it happened till now. They probably did it in this current cycle too. I am not sure if we will be seeing $100k in the next couple of years.