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1421  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Checking Demoted members to give Merit: Feedback and Helpful Links on: September 22, 2018, 10:48:45 PM
I really miss " Joe's Signature-Less Challenge " . The feedback is really honest and helpful.
Hope Joe start it again.
1422  Other / Meta / Re: Bounty Manager as a good Merit source! on: September 22, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Should we make them moderator also?
I do not know why Theymos mentioned Copper Member word while demoting Jr. Members.

Paying approximately $15  is really become equivalent to earning 10- 99 Merits?




1423  Other / Meta / Re: Growing Blackmarket for Merit trading on: September 22, 2018, 09:24:21 PM
But I believe with time, those selling their merit, it will get exhausted and everything will be back to normal. 

Everything will turn into normal when everybody start thinking of the honest route. If users just want shortcuts then scam/selling will always flourish.

I just like to quote a modified version of old saying.

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Buy a Merit today, you have solved the problem for today. Learned ,how to earn the Merit, you have solved the problem for lifetime.
1424  Other / Meta / Re: Most annoying word of forum on: September 22, 2018, 08:33:45 PM
HODL.

I have no problem with this word and the OP from where it originated.

But this word is now getting used in some kind of stupid/speculative advice without any actual reasoning. The conversation generally as follows.

User A:  I bought this shitcoin Z, what should I do ?
User B:  Oh! , just HODL it.

User A: I bought bitcoin, but now it's price is dropping.
User B: Just HODL it.

This word is killing the actual discussion and majority of time used in shitposting.

Edit :  somebody again abusing it for some shit coins.
1425  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Motivation] A little extra effort will pay you in long run on: September 22, 2018, 08:20:55 PM
I would add some things.
1. Also watch Youtube videos explaining things you are interested in. You can find some very good videos, you can also find channels which are constantly publishing good and informative videos.

Agree, but youtube ads and their automated feed completely messed up. They started giving me crypto feed when I am not requiring and most of them focus in get rich quick.

Actually, someone should never see the quantity of the pages a thread has got and consider it to be a spam thread.
2. Some mega threads can also be very good resources and starting point.  But those who are about certain project you're interested in, not threads like "Did bitcoin bull run begin".

I created a "**" and hyperlinked to Alone055 post. Actually first 2-3 months are crucial when you are surrounded by lot of information and many of it is paid/referral shill. It is very hard to understand the projects in beginning. When I started , I thought "wow, 2% staking reward daily" but now I think it is a most foolish thing. (I plan to create a article on this also to prove how it is stupid idea.) 

I telling them it is not difficult to get Merit,and  I have shown it to them by my actions.

I see some leadership qualities here. Good luck with your initiative.

most likely community appreciate narrow oriented specialists. If you have some knowledge in specific spheres - share them. That would be really good for everyone

Do not wait to become a specialist, you can share your experiences. When you share your idea , get involved in discussion you idea and thinking become more structured.
1426  Other / Beginners & Help / [Motivation] A little extra effort will pay you in long run on: September 22, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
 
Feeling demotivated after recent rank demotion? Everybody says make good post but how to make good post?
With so many user do I really stand a chance?  Will I ever receive a Merit?

If you are struggling to find all the answer and thinking too much then let me help you.

1. Read,Read and Read more.
Read some books like Mastering  Bitcoin. Read articles from reputed site like coindesk and cointelegraph. Avoid reading from ICO promoting sites.
Forum has good source of information ,start with reading stickies in the forum

Reading will give you first hand knowledge in subject , vocabulary expansion  that  ultimately help you in writing good post.
What to avoid in reading : Speculative topic, Price discussions and thread after first 3 pages Conditions Apply*.

2. Show some posting etiquette:
Do not post in Mega threads, no body reads there, they are just farming grounds of activity
Before replying to OP, Read all the replies in thread.
Do not reply if you have nothing to add in  previous replies.
Do not post off topic replies.
While replying, do not quote the full post , Just quote the relevant part of the  post that you want to reply.
Check your reply for spelling errors and read it once before posting and read again after posting to check whether sentences are meaningful and making sense and everything you quoted is coming properly.
Address each other with their Forum names only, Be humble but use of "Sir" and  "Please" is not required. Make sure you have searched it yourself before asking in the forum.

3. Practice as Practice makes man Prefect.
There are boards like "Fit to talk" where you can practice. You can start your topic and reply on existing topic. Legendary member like Jet Cash and jackg
will help you by improving your already written post. So you can learn ,how to post better.

4. Diverse yourself in this forum.
For better use of forum, you should visit multiple boards in this forum. Do not get yourself stick in one board and be ignorant of others board. This will help you in learning different thing simultaneously.


5. Choose your signature campaign wisely.
Do not join a  campaign just for rewards. Join the campaign that suits your posting habits. Do not join campaign that ask for 25 post in a week when you are comfortable with 15 only. Instead join which ask for 10 only, that will give you a time to research.
Some campaign allow post in local board to be included so they can be a good option too.

6. Be Yourself
Do not try to chase Merits but try to gather knowledge. See what others are requiring and try to come up with a solution.
Take some initiative/or participate in initiative  that may bring good to forum. You might get insulted but there is no need to react on the insult.
Always work on developing your skills.

7. Put some little more effort.
A little extra effort will pay you in long run and I will explain this mathematically.
.01 is only 1% of 1.  If you see at a glance you will not say that .99 and 1.01 is a huge difference.

But a huge difference occurs when they are multiplied repeatedly.
(.99)100 = .3660
(1.01)100 = 2.704
(1)100  =1

1 % laziness repeated in 100 post reduce your chances of getting merit from 1 to .366 but in other hand 1% of extra effort repeated 100 times will increase your chances from 1 to 2.704.

This is important, because Merit giver/ source do look in the history of poster. You might not get Merit for your all posts but if some Merit source/giver decide to give you Merit than he/she might double up seeing your history. In other hand if your continuously making bad post then Merit source/giver can change its mind by seeing other bad posts.

 Few topics for your further reading:
TMAN's Guide for getting merits
Fit To talk project
Improve your English skills
Guides to earn Merit
Attitude matters


Edited: 1 and 2.
    
1427  Other / Meta / Re: A formula for determining Worthiness of Poster (WoP) on: September 22, 2018, 04:01:02 AM
I think , you should test the formula first in some random samples.

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Name:   soniclord
Posts:   1997
Activity:   1092
Merit:   1002
Position:   Legendary
Date Registered:   April 05, 2015, 07:12:51 AM
Last Active:   July 16, 2018, 03:21:23 AM

WoP = (Merit + 1) / Posts x Activity
        =(1002+1)/1997*1092  =548.46

By your formula,soniclord is more worthy poster than all of the below quoted.

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jgarzik: 481
OgNasty: 477
Gyrsur: 408
marcus_of_augustus: 402
mprep: 385
Hal: 368
Dabs: 340
Vitalik Buterin: 307
QuestionAuthority: 276
-ck: 272
Vod: 243
Vlad2Vlad: 167
hilariousandco: 110
philipma1957: 101

1428  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UNICEF is now accepting donations in Bitcoin and 8 altcoins on: September 22, 2018, 01:39:49 AM
News is true, but are the links are correct?
I am not french so not able to validate it , but official UNICEF is www.unicef.fr and link for donation is lp.unicef.fr
Your activity is also too low to be trusted.
 Can any French guy can validate the site?
1429  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: sometimes I get posts deleted.. do admins have a quota to fulfil? on: September 21, 2018, 10:08:15 PM
I was also wondering why your post got deleted. After reading Suchmoon reply , I understood what exactly happened.
 
If you see topic "Do you believe in God" is locked now but OP of the topic was last active on November 13, 2016.

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Name:   virtualx
Posts:   1319
Activity:   644
Merit:   500
Position:   Hero Member
Date Registered:   June 27, 2014, 02:54:21 PM
Last Active:   November 13, 2016, 07:06:41 PM

Since it become spam megathread , somebody reported your post and requested for lock of thread. (For Locking of spam megathread ,you need to report last post . I assume your post was last because when topic is locked it is showing last post was created at August 2 and you posted on Aug 22.)

Moderator deleted your post and locked the thread and since your next reply was only in gap of 7-8 minutes in same board and again in mega thread so might moderator decided to delete as that well.

Conclusion: Avoid posting in threads that go beyond 5 pages.

Some posting etiquette:
1. You already read all the replies posted there before posting your reply.
2. You are proposing some thing that is still not said till now in the thread.

When thread already pass 20 + pages it become obvious , you did not read everything and just posted for spam.

Some thread might be exception but thread with a very generic question is obvious spam.
1430  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Virtues needed as newbies on: September 21, 2018, 09:31:16 PM
- Trust: Lastly, trust the system. Trust cryptocurrency to have a bright future. Know the coins to trust and hold them firmly.


Instead of trust , you need to Research, Research about team authenticity , research about feasibility of white paper, research about the market value of product if created, research if the idea is new or not.

Trust on any coin without research is stupidity.
1431  Other / Meta / Re: Flaws In The Merit System. on: September 21, 2018, 12:31:20 PM
i see there are many people  disapointed about some good post not get merit but some post with low quality get merit,i also see someone get merit with a picture,i don't know why but if bitcointalk can creat button to everyone report some low quality post and good post to admin, admin can check again and decide get them merit or take back merit,i see source merit give merit for everyone without supervision of anyone, I think bitcointalk should creat more option to everyone can monitor eachother

We do have a button "Report To Moderator" for reporting low quality post. You framed the sentences very badly with too many spelling mistakes.
You need to read English articles to improve your posting till then refrain yourself from posting in English Boards.

Your post has high probability to be deleted (due to low quality.) and it is very unlikely you will get Merit for these low quality post.

@OP.  This is one of the drawback of Merit system. Merit hunter are now spamming every thread in search of Merit. Earlier it is much easier for them to farm activity in Spam Mega Thread or Off Topic.
1432  Other / Meta / Re: Number of Merits generated (mathematically) on: September 21, 2018, 12:03:36 PM
<...>23045 is used as sum of 6 numbers and each number (or series) ended at 1. Practically 1 Merit is not useful to generate any Merit but when 6 series (each ended with 1) then you got extra 6 Merits, These 6 Merits can produce 4 full merits leaving the redundant smerits.<…>
That’s what I figured. But let’s say that you gave each of your numbers (the six you split the original into) to a different person, and each person sMerits another non-intersecting person in a linear manner. As you say, there will be six people with one Merit at the leaf of each linear chain. What we cannot do is then scoop those six units together, generate a batch of 6 sMerits, and generate four more after two steps. What I mean by this is that the last part of the algorithm does not seem to apply in practice to sMerits, because we cannot scoop the ones together...


I agree, I think we will end up in much larger leaf Nodes, Everybody who has earned odd number of Merit has  potential .5 sMerit in unusable form.
46088 just define max potential that can be achieved by using all ideal conditions.

I think , if Theymos decide to decay the sMerits in future, instead of decaying it , it should be re assigned to Merit Source.
1433  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Welcome to the Bitcointalk on: September 21, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Moved from B&H Board for better discussion and visibility.
1434  Other / Meta / Re: Number of Merits generated (mathematically) on: September 20, 2018, 05:54:13 PM
Note: I’m not quite sure why you aggregate the extra 4 sMerits to the 46.084 based on the number of decomposed initial numbers (I mean the reason behind).



23045= 214 + 212 + 211 + 29 +22 +20

23045 is used as sum of 6 numbers and each number (or series) ended at 1. Practically 1 Merit is not useful to generate any Merit but when 6 series (each ended with 1) then you got extra 6 Merits, These 6 Merits can produce 4 full merits leaving the redundant smerits.

All these calculations to come up with 46088 instead of 46090?

The geometric sum formula assumes an infinite series of descending terms, which is not the case as the minimum merit is 1. That should explain discrepancies IMO.

Thanks Paxmao, making it more clear.

TeQuiero also explained how the sum in GP done and I already given links to the GP tutorials in OP. 46090  is no way correct.

Any way , after calculating with few more values, I got the generalized formula  for Merit generation from sMerits.

X (smerits)=> 2X - 1 Merits  (X >0, and X can be expressed as 2y like 2,4,8, 16 and so on.)

X(smerits)=> 2X-2   Merits  (X >0, and X can not be expressed as 2y  like 6,7 ,12 etc..)




All these calculations to come up with 46088 instead of 46090?

If 23045 sMerits generate 46090 Merits. And these 46090 Merits will again able to  generate 23045  sMerits. Then cycle can simply go on.
We know already, this type of cycle is not going on ,so even without using any mathematics I can say by practical experience, it is absolutely incorrect.
1435  Other / Meta / Re: Theymos started sharing one more merit stats on: September 20, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
Edited the OP and going to lock this thread. Look like discussion was centered to moderator Xandry instead of the usefulness of the new stats.
I used the name but in any way I am not intending to accuse way nor did I wanted it.

I believe in an old saying .

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'Let a hundred guilty be acquitted, but one innocent should not be convicted'
I guess we are also working for same goals , One who deserves the merit should get it. There is always a chance of error in judgement.


@Theymos, I think you can stop sharing the stats, or please shed some light in usefulness of this stats.
1436  Other / Meta / Re: Number of Merits generated (mathematically) on: September 20, 2018, 06:28:23 AM
Now we start with  214 i.e  16384 and check how many merits it can generate.
16384 + 8192   + 4096 + 2048 +1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 +32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 =  32767

Your topic reminds me of the old days in high school. Smerits are generated like radioactive decay and above sum is a geometric progression
I still remember that there's a general method to calculate this sum:

Assume that S =           16384 + 8192   + 4096 + 2048 +1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 +32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1
                      =           214 + 213 + 212 + ... + 21 +20 (*)
then          2S  = 215 + 214 + 213 + ... +22 +21           (**)

(**) - (*) side by side, then S = 215-1 =  32767

Btw, it's an interesting discovery OP.

 I know, I can directly use the formula, but I just wanted it to be in laymen terms, where everybody can visualize each divison and the sum.

I like the analogy of sMerits vs radioactive decay but only difference is that they do not produce any unwanted product (like radiations)
1437  Other / Meta / Re: Oh! Xandry , you are leading the wrong list on: September 20, 2018, 06:16:45 AM
 Look like some of you guys did took this heading in some kind of "hatred " way or trying to "defame" the staff Xandry.

I just wanted to share the the news of new stats available , and Xandry  name is known to me because some topics created earlier on him , so I just used it as headline, I do not put any allegation.

Merit sources and moderators can get fooled too.  Getting fooled doesn't make them any less effective.

Might be people give merit for good content but later found that other user plagiarized the content or some other content. Only fools are those that get banned for breaking the rules.
1438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcointalk rank down on: September 20, 2018, 05:57:17 AM
The root cause of problem is "stakes" of their "own alt coins" that they are distributing in bounty. The stake method do not limit the number of participants. Campaign Managers are not checking quality (Either they are lazy or they got too many participants enrolled to check or both).

What you can do as a participant (for every member):
Do not be cheap to put any signature for stakes of altcoins , if you have no idea of their product and uncertainty whether they will launch their product.
Go signatureless , it is better than to collect some stakes in rubbish altcoin.

Suggestion for demoted member.
New rule actually increased Merit source, You all gathered enough experience in this forum and now you do not have to post because you need to meet some sig campaign quota , so use this opportunity to read more, post less but post good and helpful.

In my earlier days , I recieved 2 Merits for this post.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3091471.msg31902754#msg31902754

The solution that I wrote there, I read somewhere in forum and just helped someone who is looking for it. So reading is very important.

Buying Copper Membership might help you in short term but you all need long term solution.

1439  Other / Meta / Re: Number of Merits generated (mathematically) on: September 20, 2018, 05:11:34 AM
All these calculations to come up with 46088 instead of 46090?
 

I did manual calculation for 50 sMerits and I come to result of 98. So I am not doubting the mathematics and my formula.

Just to point out that there is some difference if you calculate from sMerits vs Merits that I pointed in my OP

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You might be wondering why I did not use same formula for 6 (22+21 ) because 6 is converted to merit ,it is not smerit anymore.
1440  Other / Meta / Number of Merits generated (mathematically) on: September 20, 2018, 04:50:52 AM
  
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There are 120 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 23045 sMerit per 30 days

When 1 Merit is given it generate .5 sMerits. I found many times user trying to calculate like from 23045 will create 11522 and then 5761  and so on.
But they are not able to reach the number at end (after all the sum of halving merits).

So I decided to calculate it Mathematically. Since number of smerits will halved every time and 23045 is not perfectly divisible by 2.
We need to represent 23045 as sum of numbers that can be easily divisible by 2 at every stage till we reach Merit 1 .

In other words, first we need to put 23045 as sum of numbers in power of 2

23045 = 16384+4096+2048+512+4+1
23045= 214 + 212 + 211 + 29 +22 +20

Now we start with  214 i.e  16384 and check how many merits it can generate.

16384 + 8192   + 4096 + 2048 +1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 +32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 =  32767
  
Similarly, for other terms
4096 + 2048 +1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 +32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 =                              8191
2048 +1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 +32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 =                                          4095
512 + 256 + 128 + 64 +32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 =                                                                1023
4 + 2 + 1 =                                                                                                                                7
1=                                                                                                                                              1

So sum of these number will be  32767+8191+4095+1023+7+1=46084
Since we have 6 number that make up to the sum of 23045 , so  we get 6/2 =3. and further 3/2 =1
You might be wondering why I did not use same formula for 6 (22+21 ) because 6 is converted to merit ,it is not smerit anymore.

So in total 46084+3+1 = 46088 Merit will be generated Mathematically.

This all calculation is derived by using the fundamentals of Geometric Progression and sequence, their nth term and sum till the nth term.

Some links to understand Geometric Progression are here  and  here and here

Tabular Data of the Calculation



Hope you all enjoyed the calculation.

PS: 46088  is mathematically feasible and maximum limit that can be generated if we used all source merit but actual number can be less or more because many users will left with residual smerits but this residual smerit can be used next time when they receive a single merit or odd number of merits.



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