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1421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!? on: July 13, 2014, 05:35:43 AM

I am not talking about average fees per block. I am talking about how much that would be in fiat in the future, we don't know that. We don't know how much fees per block will be in the future. All this 'analysis' based on past events is not relevant. It could well justify renting a VPS, labor is not a lot, 30 mins per month(?), NXT is already quite stable. Especially funny if someone projects fees based on their testnet, as in the case of BitShares.

So no analysis can be done using past figures.  Everything needs to be done using the unknown future?  Is that what you are saying?

Are you a dev at NXT by any chance ?

I once tried running a NXT node.  This was before the AE release.  The thing ended up taking up 5 gigs of memory after a couple of weeks.  I'm not sure what was going on, but it was nuts.

30 minutes = $20 for an average developer or admin.  So that makes it $25 a month now.  Just take the average fees in a month and see what sort of stake is required to make $25 a month.  Do you know what the average fees charged per month is ?  Oh wait, we can't use facts.  My bad.

Is it true or not true, that if I wanted to do an expensive operation, I could rewrite the wallet to put my transaction on a block that I am forging ?  A selfish-miner of sorts and thereby taking away fees from others ?

People try to do analysis using past figures all the time, you're free to do it. Only future will show if an analysis had anything to do with reality. Often it doesn't.

No, I am not a dev at NXT.
NXT could not be considered stable before AE release, it's much more stable now, and will get more stable in 1.3.xx when some code will be reworked. It's still beta quality, just like most software it should get better with time.

30 mins is to upgrade NXT 2-3 times a month as new releases (bugfixing or new features) come out. Of course, in the future, new releases will not come out that often, it's still in beta stage, so you should understand it's all beta-testing going on now, that's why have to spend time on it, just like beta testers work on BitShares. The difference is BitShares delays releasing to live net, is that good or not, opinions can differ. In any case, the main point of running a node is to forge on it and support the network. You gain not from forging mostly, but from being invested in NXT and assets on the exchange and price appreciation, so if someone's looking to profit from forging, they should re-think their strategy.

Here is a link to see distribution of forgers:
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/blockexplorer_charts
When you check the blockchain, the 'Others' that make 41% constitute more than 300 accounts, so there are 300+ accounts in NXT network that successfully produce blocks. We'll have to see how this changes in the future.

A block with the highest cumulative difficulty wins, not sure what you mean by 'rewrite the wallet'. For more info and specific questions you should better visit nxtforum.org and ask experts.
Here is a whitepaper on NXT:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2948110/Nxt/NxtWhitepaper_v122_rev4.pdf
someone's still working on it, so it's far from complete.
1422  Economy / Economics / Re: What about the idea of an inflationary bitcoin? on: July 13, 2014, 05:11:44 AM
The MSM says that bitcoin is deflationary because the people who hold bitcoin generally believe that the value will rise over time, preventing them from wanting to engage in trades for goods/services for their bitcoin

We can generalize that statement as "Demand for Bitcoin exceeds/exceeded supply of newly mined Bitcoins, it can/could be considered as deflationary".

Technically it's not, but it all comes down to demand and supply, which one is greater at a given moment of time. Price stablity means they are about equal.

With Overstock, Newegg, Tigerdirect coming on board there is more engagement in trading bitcoins for goods and services, which adds to the circulating supply of Bitcoins on the market.
1423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which Proof of Stake System is the Most Viable on: July 13, 2014, 05:05:30 AM
Nxt has leasing... DPOS has delegation... so lets compare and contrast:
   a) leasing is for a fixed period of time
   b) does leasing require executing a transaction on the blockchain (to lease) and does this charge a fee?
   c) can your lease be revoked prior to the period of time.
   d) what happens when your leased forging power are spent to someone new?

In NXT:
a) can lease for 32767 maximum blocks (not sure if that limit can or will be changed in the future).
b) yes, it's a separate type of tx with a fee.
c) It can't be revoked before lease expires (again, this could be changed in future releases as this feature becomes more advanced).
d) the accepting account can't lease lessor's forging power to others, they can only lease their own NXT balance to others.
1424  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is unfair to the non tech-savvy on: July 12, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
Bitcoin traders are sometimes accused of unfairly profiting from an opaque asset beyond the understanding of ordinary people.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2014/07/bidding-on-bitcoin.html

Yesterday I met a couple of my old classmates on the street. They asked about Bitcoin and started to whine that most people don't understand the mathematical fundamentals behind Bitcoin and therefore had no realistic chance to invest when it was cheap. Of course, I encouraged them to invest now (better late than never) but seems that people generally rather enjoy wallowing in their own self-pity than take steps to adapt and overcome.

Even in this forum I have seen demeaning opinions about people who bought in when Bitcoin was trading single digits --- "they are not real investors and their earnings are equivalent to winning with a lottery ticket".

I can see that these issues can raise some negative emotions and Bitcoin has even not risen to 6666$ yet Cheesy. What's the worst case scenario to follow? Bitcoin Jesus getting beaten up by angry conventional Warren Buffer apprentices?

I hope you did tell your classmates there are a few promising altcoins which are still cheap and which can dethrone Bitcoin. I guess you didn't. They will blame you later that you didn't, be sure of that.
1425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: July 12, 2014, 05:49:12 PM
I have 2 questions/points:

1) There has been zero commits to the source code since May. Other CN coins are fixing bugs, Fantomcoin isn't applying those patches, are there no bugs in Fantomcoin? I would think since it forked off the same source code, the same bugs would apply.

2) Bitcoinbear needs to seriously think about setting up a Fantomcoin gateway on NXT Asset Exchange, this will give a marketing edge to the coin (the first CN coin to get there) and now that it started disappearing from centralized exchanges, NXT AE may end up to be the only exchange for it very soon.
1426  Economy / Economics / Re: What about the idea of an inflationary bitcoin? on: July 12, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Well there's definitely lots of coins being mined everyday and thus the supply is inflating. I'm not really sure where the 'deflationary' label came from exactly. It will be deflationary in 2140 or whatever when blocks stop giving rewards. If it's ever around by then.

Yeah, a lot of myths and misconceptions are touted around. People believe what they like to believe, but reality sets in, sooner or later.
1427  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It's simple: Altcoins are Darwin's 'variations' to progress Bitcoin's evolution on: July 12, 2014, 04:08:46 PM
Open-mindedness withers away with vested interest and, I guess, age, although Bitcoin hasn't been around that long yet to talk about age. Scepticism for cryptos 2.0 is the same as for Bitcoin in 2010-2011, history repeating. Overall, scepticism is good, but if it's all you have and if you don't follow innovations in cryptos, this scepticism will come and bite you in the arse Wink
1428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 12, 2014, 02:26:47 PM
Just using the money that you would have used mining to simply purchase the BTC would have been a better investment, no?

Well, if he was mining with his GPU in between game sessions or even CPU in early days, he obviously didn't have to invest anything extra. Most people didn't do that, that's why for most people all this talk whether it's PoW or PoS doesn't matter, it all comes down to what useful features the coin can offer. And it's safe to say that the race to useful features has just begun this year and we haven't seen nothing yet. In 12 months the crypto landscape will change a lot.
1429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Moderated Thread - Open Alpha Has Launched[Updates & Discussion] on: July 12, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
When is the next NEM release with bugfixes?
1430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!? on: July 12, 2014, 06:43:02 AM
Let's hope you're not too optimistic with your assessments Wink
1431  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!? on: July 12, 2014, 06:08:05 AM
@FandangledGizmo,

I understand all this, moreover, I believe myself that bail-ins (a la Cyprus style) will spur another big rush to cryptos, but I don't see how it can be trillion dollar markets. This kind of money is controlled by hedge funds, which are highly regulated. If they are not allowed to invest into cryptos, which they won't be allowed (just look at the EU provisions issued a few days ago), it means the general public is not invested in cryptos, the general public has to invest their pension savings into crappy bonds and stocks thru pension and hedge funds. Individually, investors can go to cryptos, but that's not trillion dollar markets.

@clout,

I may underestimate a bit. But you overestimate cryptos too much Smiley
$10 bln->$100 bln in the next 5 years is still exponential, but even 100 tx/sec will be an overkill for that.
1432  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!? on: July 12, 2014, 05:56:06 AM
Guys offering user issued assets like NXT, BC, XCP + many others, will be fine with lower tps for a while. But BitShares X will be offering currency, commodity & stock trading using market-pegged bitassets, & even though they will be split across multiple chains, those are each trillion dollar markets with high volumes. Even minor success in penetrating them will require very high performance, low cost blockchains.

Why do you think it will be trillion dollar markets? Trillion dollar markets means institutional investors are going to enter those. I don't see institutional investors enter unregulated exchanges. Exchanges are either regulated or not. If it's the former - it's centralized, then what's the difference with regular centralized stock exchanges? If it's the latter, then institutional investors won't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

$100 bln. combined marketcap in 5 years is a realistic number in my opinion, but that means the combined tx/sec capacity required will be no more than 100 (and that's for all cryptos combined). I fail to see how trillion dollars can pour into unregulated exchanges. Unless, like I said above, hyperinflation takes place and fiat depreciates hundreds of percentage points per year. But in that case, people will rather go to barter than to crypto currencies.
1433  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!? on: July 12, 2014, 05:32:07 AM
@clout,

I see your point, but it's not about how much the network will be able to handle, it's about how much it will need to handle. I don't see the need for 10000 txs/sec, those numbers cannot be achieved without centralization, that's true. But I don't see such wide adoption of cryptos in the future that would necessitate these numbers. Visa and Mastercard are not going anywhere.

Basically, getting to $10 bln combined marketcap for all cryptos took 5 years, getting to $100 bln combined marketcap will take another 5 years, unless, of course hyperinflation makes all those $$$ fiat numbers irrelevant. This means that there is no need to artificially centralize design to achieve a very high tx/sec capacity, if that capacity is not going to be used even at 5%, while the centralization may seem unfavorable to many investors.
1434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MazaCoin: The Official National Currency of the Traditional Lakota Nation! .LOL? on: July 11, 2014, 08:09:43 PM
I'll take beaver skins any day.
1435  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin only - Done with altcoins - so much scam on: July 11, 2014, 08:07:27 PM
Outstanding shit collection! Grin
1436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Im interested in investing into alt cryptos and want some input.. on: July 11, 2014, 07:08:03 PM
NXT is the only one that is worth considering. Others are either too limited (only come with one extra feature above Bitcoin) or in early alpha. NXT is stable enough and adds a new feature every 2 months.
https://nxtforum.org for more info.
1437  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 11, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
It's a winner-takes-it-all situation

Why?
1438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Successful Attacks on 100% POS-coins on: July 11, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
Buy 51% of coins, yeah right, a clear case of completely flunking math at school.
1439  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 11, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
From now on, only the following coins may be mentioned in the thread:

BTC
XMR
NXT
FLT
BBR
NEM
XCurrency
Maidsafe
Skycoin
Siacoin


Discussion of the other coins belongs to other threads.



Where do we start? Cheesy
1440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 11, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
NXT, NEM
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