So there is no way to screen these shill posts with technology? I know I personally never made a shill post.
So an Admin can suspect shilling and just drop the ban hammer on a hunch? So our admins operate by the science of "feeling" ??
Edit: I am sure I could write a script that predicted within 95% accuracy what was a self-posted-shill and what wasn't. So If I can do why hasn't the forum???
Who says we dont have that already? And the reason why you don't get a message saying who banned you, is because moderators would then have to deal with people hounding that constantly about nonsense. The explanation is there, it says you were banned for spamming. Bans and post deletion by moderators are screened by the admins, if moderators make wrongful post deletions/bans, they aren't moderators anymore. *edit* and no, the thread isn't unlocked in 5 days, just the ban is up. |
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This forum has over 10 million posts, and more than 400,000 threads. I rounded those figures down a bit to make up for the fact that the majority of them are in non local boards. There are 19 local boards. If we start letting people copy and spam referal links, you could potentially see 19 redundant threads for every one original one. We aren't going to ruin the forum for the majority of the users, just so it can be your personal spamming ground.
As I've said a hundred times, but I'm sure you wont listen. We aren't changing the rules to allow spamming. Anti spamming measures make up what, 80% of the forums rules? Give it up, you are wasting your time, and I'm wasting my own time responding to you. You can make whatever proposals you would like on your own forum. Good luck attracting members.
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Funny, I noticed your thread and made a note of it, but didn't say anything about it to anyone yet. I can't say for sure the moderator's motivation for locking it, but I noticed there were an unsually large amount of newbies postings very similar low quality posts, similar to alt currency announcement threads where people feign support in order to disguise a few spam posts in order to farm accounts.
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To my opinion;
If a person discover a service from service ann. Or from somewhere and introduce it in local forum by translating, he has to share his ref link in his post. But not the signature section coz we use that section for signature campaign.
In the same local forum, if another person opens a thread about the same service and gives his ref link then it might be accepted as a spam but not first ones.
So, in the local forums, it must be free to give ref link if the thread and service is new.
And your opinion would be contrary to forum policy which could potentially result in a ban, or at the very least having your post/thread removed. I say this is the last time I'll say it, but I'm sure I'll end up posting again. You are welcome to your opinion, however thats not how this forum is run. Make your own if you would like to allow spamming. Rules against spamming and illegal content are pretty much the only ones we have here. There needs to be a balance between freedom to post what you like, and not allowing spam which alienates members. |
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Sorry, the only place you can post without being banned for ban evasion is in meta. If you would like to make a post in the thread letting people know that your account is temporarily banned, so the sale is postponed, I'll give you the OK on that, but when exceptions are made to the rule, everyone wants those exceptions, and the line gets moved further and further. @SaltySpitoon , Basically impossible to give me a second chance please ?  or should I wait for theymos or Badbear's answer ? If not , My brother have a couple of accounts (Marcotheminer who is the one who is doing the Bit-x compaign is aware of this) , and we use the same PC , if my brother use one of the accounts , it will be considered as Ban evasion also or it's fine to use them ? (same PC , IP etc .. as I said) ty You are welcome to wait for Badbear / Theymos' opinion, they are the only ones who could possibly unban you or reduce the ban time anyway, not that I expect they will, but I was just giving an answer to a couple questions in the thread. About your brother, I'd like to say they wont be banned for ban evasion, but that is really a tricky one. Assuming I believe its your brother and not an alt of yours ( I really don't know because I haven't looked into it) they wouldn't be banned for ban evasion. The reason its tricky, is proving its your brother, and not you. I'd definitely wait for Badbear/Theymos to weigh in on that one. The most I could do to try and clear you is analyze your speech patterns and try to find differences proving to at least some extent that you aren't the same person. |
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Everything is subjective, sometimes 100 meh quality posts spammed in a 1 day time frame catches a moderator/admin's attention more than 10 poor quality posts. There aren't post limits, however it goes without saying that at a certain point its hard to maintain post quality. People aren't banned on a whim, time is spent investigating especially in these situations where it isn't copy and paste/quote/smiley face/ +1 spam. Sometimes people spam meh - ok quality posts, but when you read the threads they are posting in, their posts aren't completely related or they are just reiterating prior posts to get the post count up or they are posting in threads that have already drawn a conclusion, and they are just reiterating points. People that post very frequently especially those with paid advertising signatures catch more attention sometimes than small spammers. Trust has no impact on bans or ban duration, while admittedly account age/status does minimally if I'm being honest. No one has a free ticket to spam, but a newbie with 5 of 10 of their post count being low quality are more likely to get a severe ban, than a member who has been active and posting high quality posts for a while, and slips up and spams a bit.
As I said, there are no rules on post count, you can post every 10 seconds if you wish, but the chances of your posts being quality decrease when you impose quotas.
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See, being a moderator on a pro freedom of speech, libertarian/anarchist demographic forum is not all its cracked up to be. Moderating a group of people who don't want to be moderated is more than a thankless job, its doing a job that people dont want done, in order to help those people that are complaining about you. You can't even go on a power trip, because as soon as you start, the Meta threads come piling in and ruin any fun that could be. Sure its pretty entertaining, a neat position to be in, and you get to hang with the people of Bitcointalk, definitely not complaining, if I didn't love it, I would have packed it up long ago. But if praise or recognition is what you want, tis not the position for you. You are far more appreciated for just reporting posts, even if you don't get a thank you pm. On the upside, I feel like being a mod here is the ultimate in human resources/customer service training. My time here has trained me to deal with people better than anything else possibly could, I bet I could even handle being public relations for BFL  . My point being, by reporting posts, you really help us out. If you are a bit frustrated thinking that you have reported enough posts to prove that you are moderator material, take a step back and think about how much you are helping us out. You get far more appreciation from us for reporting posts, than you would for being a moderator. I love you.
IMHO if you are looking for appreciation and recognition moderation is not the place to go. Most of what mods do in order to keep this place as functional as it is will not get noticed and people are constantly complaining about how bad it is and how this or that should be changed.
Truth. Being a mod here is a good way to develop a thick skin. I'm now at the point where I honestly couldn't care less about anything anyone says about me. Most people don't figure that out until they are like 70, so I'm pretty content with that aspect of the job as well. |
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If you feel like you would be a good staff member, you could try and send a message to theymos, telling him why you think you could be a staff member, what you would like to do, why, how you are qualified to do so, etc. If you are really active in a board, you could try to become a moderator there or you could be a patroller (which keeps the newbies in check).
I'd say that generally isn't a good idea, I'm sure some exceptions are made, but wanted to head that off before Theymos wakes up to 500 staff applications from random people. There are a few ways that staff are picked, what happens is a need for staff is realized, candidates are then narrowed down based on their report history, ie how many reports they have filed, their relative accuracy, whether the person has a suitable disposition, in other words the forum's biggest trolls/jerks probably aren't going to make that list, people that aren't going to fly off the handle when the 50 Meta threads about Mods sucking show up, its occasionally discussed with other staff, etc. So no, its not random, but there aren't typical moderator applications. Things are a little bit different with local sections, like mentioned before Theymos asks the community who they would like to be the moderator of the section. Its hard for Theymos/Badbear to judge a moderator's quality if they speak a language that no one else on the staff speaks, so then its up to the community to decide. As far as demoting staff based on scam accusations, I'm not sure how that works. I dont know if being a scammer automatically prevents you from being a scammer, or if it just has weight in the decision. I haven't looked into the accusation, because its none of my concern, but unless you speak turkish, probably not going to get Eal F. Skillz's position. -snip-
I guess so but could be a good thing if their is staff needed and not just picking people at random.
I dont think they pick people at random. Several local section were in need of a new mod recently and theymos asked the respective local community to discuss who would be suited for the job. Would give people the opportunity to work somewhere with demands and a massive community that needs mods. Already doing my part but some of it seems to go un noticed from what I can see but then again never really spoke to staff on a level for a job.
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I did plenty of reports and I think the mods notice. Its not like you will get a letter of appreciation every X hundred reports, but e.g. get a little thank you in a sideline. IMHO if you are looking for appreciation and recognition moderation is not the place to go. Most of what mods do in order to keep this place as functional as it is will not get noticed and people are constantly complaining about how bad it is and how this or that should be changed. Thank you Shorena, you are indeed correct, we do notice your reports and appreciate them. The only time I really pm someone who has reported posts/threads is when I'd like some clarification, it would take too long to send everyone a personalized thank you, or even just a standard, thank you. I have 347 reports at time of typing and I'd like to handle the majority before I go to bed, thats sort of the reason you don't get a personallized thank you, but this is a good opportunity to say thank you  |
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In theory if he made a strong enough argument then the rule would be changed. The administration is fair that way, if a strong argument is made for a change and such change is not going to open the forum up for any potential legal repercussions then changes will be made. The thing is that there is really no realistic argument to allow for referral spam
No, no it wouldn't, not on this matter which I explained to him in the previous thread. Referal links are not banned, as I explained in my other post (which I will quote below) referal links can be acceptable, however there are a few conditions, and 95% of the time, people don't follow those conditions, creating the misconception that referal links are banned in general. The OP is not fighting for the right to have referal links, the OP is fighting for the right to spam, which under no circumstance will be changed as a rule. There seems to be a huge amount of missing context, especially what the OP is "fighting" for, and how he has already been answered by more than myself. Start here if you want the full context: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg10660811#msg10660811Dont remind me the rules guy. This is not my rules. This is moderators rules and i dont accept theese rules. If we believe the philosophy of bitcoin then we need to create new rules. Coz theese rules centralize but Bitcoin decentralize. Everyone needs to say his mind aboutthe rules. Moderators just create rules,delete posts and ban users? Is that all you do? If you moderator you have to solve my problem
See, theres a difference between a decentralized currency, and a forum about that decentralized currency. If you want to create a forum that has no rules at all, you are welcome to, but I'd highly recommend a really really good lawyer, as people can post some pretty.... interesting stuff that you can be held liable for as the owner of the site. There are indeed rules here, however I and most others believe they are pretty relaxed, the fact that most rules aren't hardfast (the reason for this list of unofficial rules) is because it's a lot better to leave judgements up to a group of freethinking individuals, rather than a slab with forum policy inscribed. The fact that moderators are seen more as janitors is probably a good indicator that all in all everything is running well. While we don't have to solve your problems, if they are related to an issue on this forum, then chances are we would like to help. Ask in an appropriate way, and you will get a response regardless of whether we can help you or not. If your problem is that you would like to break a rule, but we are stopping you, thats not one of those things we can really help. First off, everyone above is correct, you aren't allowed to have multiple threads of the same topic. Second, referal links are more often than not removed. If you are creating a thread to share your referal link, its spam. Pretty much the only exception to when referal links are not spam, is if someone else starts a thread, for instance asking what exchange they should use. And you respond with a quality post with content related to the OP, include a referal link and say, if you want to try this exchange, heres my referal link, that is fine. You are right, people have the right to click on someone's referal link if they want. Priority however is held with having the right to not have to deal with spam, and also the right not to be tricked into clicking a referal link. If you don't agree, theres not really much more to be said, make your own lawless forum, and I wish you luck. |
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But the whitelist worked fine
Just had to post a technical question in that section and you got whistled right on through since I did that lol.
You have been manually whitelisted by a moderator. You can now post in the regular sections.
(This is an automated message.)
Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly. |
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We aren't going to allow referal spam, even with 100 million votes for yes, this isn't one of those on the fence, questionable, lets hear from the community to decide sort of situations. Its a little bit irritating that I went through the time to fully explain to you, yet you felt the need to make essentially a spam thread, if this wasn't in meta it would be removed as spam. I'm sort of seeing a theme here though, perhaps you should aquaint yourself with what spam really means.
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you can report fake Theymos' Staff, etc. They are nuked.
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Bitcoin is a technology, it can't delude anyone. What you are talking about is people's expectations not being met, and those expectations come from a multitude of other reasons. Don't rely on others for your Bitcoin information. Don't rely on others for investing information. Everyone has their own agenda, and everyone ends up wrong. It will be proper to say that Bitcoin has deluded us when it stops functioning as supposed to for whatever reason, the price of each coin, and even the adoption has no baring on Bitcoin's goal, if it even has a goal.
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Dont remind me the rules guy. This is not my rules. This is moderators rules and i dont accept theese rules. If we believe the philosophy of bitcoin then we need to create new rules. Coz theese rules centralize but Bitcoin decentralize. Everyone needs to say his mind aboutthe rules. Moderators just create rules,delete posts and ban users? Is that all you do? If you moderator you have to solve my problem
See, theres a difference between a decentralized currency, and a forum about that decentralized currency. If you want to create a forum that has no rules at all, you are welcome to, but I'd highly recommend a really really good lawyer, as people can post some pretty.... interesting stuff that you can be held liable for as the owner of the site. There are indeed rules here, however I and most others believe they are pretty relaxed, the fact that most rules aren't hardfast (the reason for this list of unofficial rules) is because it's a lot better to leave judgements up to a group of freethinking individuals, rather than a slab with forum policy inscribed. The fact that moderators are seen more as janitors is probably a good indicator that all in all everything is running well. While we don't have to solve your problems, if they are related to an issue on this forum, then chances are we would like to help. Ask in an appropriate way, and you will get a response regardless of whether we can help you or not. If your problem is that you would like to break a rule, but we are stopping you, thats not one of those things we can really help. First off, everyone above is correct, you aren't allowed to have multiple threads of the same topic. Second, referal links are more often than not removed. If you are creating a thread to share your referal link, its spam. Pretty much the only exception to when referal links are not spam, is if someone else starts a thread, for instance asking what exchange they should use. And you respond with a quality post with content related to the OP, include a referal link and say, if you want to try this exchange, heres my referal link, that is fine. You are right, people have the right to click on someone's referal link if they want. Priority however is held with having the right to not have to deal with spam, and also the right not to be tricked into clicking a referal link. If you don't agree, theres not really much more to be said, make your own lawless forum, and I wish you luck. |
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Hi, I'am sorry but I don't get it . " Warning: You are in the Gambling section. You are likely to eventually lose any money that you gamble/"invest". Additionally, moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Do not gamble more than you can afford to lose." We got it . staff members don't remove likely scams .. But how about scams ? BTC-Flow is a full pure 100% scam => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950011.0 , OP didn't connect since one week and anyone who invested didn't get his money back as the website claimed . I don't see how this is a likely scam . Its a confirmed scam and should be removed . ~ Madness We don't touch any scams, the forum is about freedom of speech and discussion. We aren't here to protect your coins. When users opt into crypto, they agree to a certain level of financial responsibility, ie to protect their keys and their wallets through their actions. The trust system is what is used to handle scammers and likely scammers, and that is left up to users. In addition to that, we don't have the manpower to track down and persecute all scammers, we don't necessarily want to, because being a scammer doesnt mean that you aren't an active participant in conversations, or that they wont pay it back at some later date, etc. Sounds strange, but it has happened a few times before. Best course of action is to mark scammers/potential scammers when you see them so that no one has an unpleasant surprise. If people want to not heed warnings, and put themselves in a situation where they get scammed, well its their right to have their money parted from them, and learn a lesson hopefully. |
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Maybe this is what I enjoy doing? Did you ever think of it that way? Do you honestly think this forum is not all about Trolling , Scamming and Arguing? If you don't you are on the wrong forum  No, its not for trolling, we'd prefer you don't scam, and it is for arguing as long as you are arguing an idea and not just spamming. That kind of attitude is the kind that gets you on a Moderator's watchlist. (Investigating your activities to see if your post history makes up of Trolling/Scamming) |
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Did they donate anything? They seem to be the kind of company that might have the money to be able to donate a good amount but probably not 50 btc
No, had they donated they would have a Donator/VIP tag. As said before, Theymos will on occasion change people's usernames for them just because they asked nicely. This would be the exception, not the rule though, it probably helps if a member has been active in the community for a long while and has a legitimate reason for changing their name, rather than just they are in the mood for a change. If you are reading this thinking you are going to get a username change, don't get your hopes up. Angora is a couple year old account, has been an active business, with lower than normal customer complaints (I say that as I haven't heard any, and that is uncommon for any Bitcoin business) and posted this thread in probably the best possible way. Username changes are dealt with the way they are, because Theymos doesn't have the time nor the will to change people's usernames for everyone that asks. |
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The idea has been proposed and shot down in the past, people that get too caught up on whether their posts will be popular or unpopular end up censoring themselves.
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Most likely when an admin sees this thread, yes. Theymos has done it before, in particular with the blackarrow thread if I'm recalling correctly.
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So after perusing and getting the basic overview, its a neat idea. I'd like to take it out of the Alt Coin section, but I can't think of an appropriate place to put it. I fully, and completely understand why it was moved to the Alt coin section, as I mentioned before, Mastercoin was ruled to belong in the alt coin section, and this has very similar traits. So I can pretty much guarentee you, that the mod that moved it didn't do it to spite you, its a really tough topic to place. Historical events lead it to belong in the Alt coin section, however burrying it there seems like a waste. Its not really a projects and development thread, as its just the idea and not a working model, and its not really Bitcoin technical and development since its coin agnostic.
I think I'd like to move it to projects and development, with this being the reasoning. "Organization of Bitcoin and related projects, bounty campaigns, advertising etc. " I suppose the theory is close enough to the beginning steps of a workable project. Since the thread is self moderated regardless, I'd say take caution to not cater to alt coin implementation discussion in the thread, at the risk that it will be moved again. If someone wants to implement it in their alt coin, I'd advise having them pm you.
Thats my proposal anyway, Ill wait for other mods to weigh in on it, since I dont want to be moving the thread back and forth.
As a side note, Psy and I once unknowingly moved the same thread back and forth to differing sections. It was at the point where we were both annoyed, and were going to send angry PMs to the OP for moving the thread back, until we checked the modlog and had a quick discussion over where the thread actually belongs. My point being, it happens.
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