Missed potential profit doesn't really count as a loss, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
This is incorrect. There was no 'potential' profit, there was actual profit that was lost afterwards. Yes, that is a loss. Just like it was a gain before. I find it psychologically a lot easier not to look at it like that. I believe if you start thinking that way, you get emotional and are more prone to mistakes. Plus, I live happier if I look at it like 'play money' and 'lost the moment you start speculating with it'. Hi Spaceman, I admire your honesty and ability to look inwards. I sympathise with your desire to feel good about your investments and I understand that not recognizing a drop as a loss makes you feel not so bad. I can also understand that you have good reason to bend reality if you otherwise would panic sell. However, I think you are taking a dangerous shortcut because bending of reality (or said less nicely 'fooling yourself') can lead to much worse disasters than say panic selling. Denying what you have at risk with untrue statements that it is 'just play money' while it is actually an important part of your capital, or denying that you lost when it went down, can lead to ruin. Facing the truth of a loss, although painful, is the only way to improve your investment decisions, as it is exactly that pain that one needs in order to be motivated to change. That's why I think recognizing a loss is important in order to become a better investor, while indeed also setting up an investment plan/strategy so that you are less prone to panic selling. Sorry for the lecture I don't think I agree with you. In general (for most aspects of life) I agree that people deluding themselves or telling "white lies" to others to make them less sad/more optimistic etc. has a net negative effect, because it screws up the facts, and you need the facts in your decision-making processes to figure out the optimal solution. However, I believe in trading it is well-known that people tend to be overemotional, and are often incapable of making rational decisions even if something is screaming "overbought" or "oversold" in their face. Denying our emotional nature is self-delusion too. Furthermore, I seem to get the impression that you think that my decision to look at it as "play money" will make me be riskier with my capital. I don't think that is necessarily the case, because you also dampen the greedy emotions that lead to overinvestment in an overpriced asset. At least, if you can do it right. I won't deny that I still thought/think about one day buying a house with BTC profits, or felt somewhat flustered/angry when the bubble collapsed that I didn't take more profit. But I try minimize those thoughts when they occur. Finally, I also believe that you can learn from your mistakes even without being (too) emotionally involved, perhaps even more so. If I play a board game or a computer game, I strongly want to get better at it, regardless of the fact that there is no money involved. But maybe that is because of my competitive nature when it comes to games, maybe I am just more emotionally involved to get started. Could be that there is no right universal answer, and everybody needs to adapt based on their own character .
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I would have to claim to have lost a huge amount of money (by my stanmore dards) by virtue of not cashing out a bunch during the big run-up.
Missed potential profit doesn't really count as a loss, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. This is incorrect. There was no 'potential' profit, there was actual profit that was lost afterwards. Yes, that is a loss. Just like it was a gain before. I find it psychologically a lot easier not to look at it like that. I believe if you start thinking that way, you get emotional and are more prone to mistakes. Plus, I live happier if I look at it like 'play money' and 'lost the moment you start speculating with it'.
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Let me be the first to say: There is strong support at 0! I lolled .
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You still only really need to deposit fiat to one exchange. You can get "fiat" on any other exchange by transfering coins there and selling. See, even with BTC at $5.00 you can still use it to transfer $10,000 from Virwox to Bitstamp to manage the risk of too much fiat on one exchange. Cool beans.
Indeed, bitcoin is by far the nicest way to transfer money .
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27k BTC over at bitstamp, higher than the 21k I've seen the highest so far.
Coins are coming out of the woodwork. "Extremely limited supply" they said. I would say the supply is pretty well-known, around 11M at the moment .
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not much of a bounce is it? Bigger drop to follow.
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I think it's generally a good thing that there are bots (based on how they work of course). They reduce the bid-ask spread or inter-exchange spreads.
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<snip> My point, is the fundamentals of long-term BTC holdings are not sound investing. <snip> wheat, oil, etc. However, those items have an end use, ie convert to energy (machine or human energy). <snip> What is the intrinsic value of BTC when there is no general tax revenue to back up BTC?
Back to basics: Btc is worth something because it has a use. It can be used as money. Money has value. If you want to talk about price, it boils down to this: How much will it be used, and for what? Is it the best money available? For everything, or only for certain niches? etc. .. EDIT: of course, wheat and oil will always be used, bitcoin might not be, so its more risky in that aspect. But imo, you can't say it doesn't have value.
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In a sense we need a killer app of some type. This could be the start at least in another country. We only need things to start taking off in one location and then the organic nature of BTC (, developers and the VC's) can take over. My concern though, with something like this is the volatility of BTC. That is not a problem if you are using Bitpay or the like, but for BTC to work in these countries I would think there needs to be some form of stability, UNLESS the inflation rate there is more risky than BTC (e.g. - Argentina).
Can you imagine if this "app" takes off AFTER we correct and people in poor nations are locked into something deflationary and rising quite steadily in price?
I think volatility is indeed a big concern in developing countries, especially for the poor classes, plus the fact that they are in general probably less ingrained in the digital world. On the other hand, bypassing big infrastructure needs and probably less concern about financial regulations could make bitcoin very successful there.
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Sounds like a good idea. Hopefully they have a decent infrastructure, a capable crew and sufficient cash reserves to survive until this gets off the ground.
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Why is everyone proclaiming trend reversal?
Support at 82 and 78 failed miserably, we are now below 200-ema and we are two days away from probably more bad news from Gox..
This is bottom? You guys really buying?
its only me thats actually buying right now.. I bought peanuts so far (2-3% of my cash position). More buy orders ready for if it falls deeper.
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Does anyone else think that it is a little strange and inappropriate for a moderator of a bitcoin forum to be relentlessly campaigning against it? He isn't campaigning against bitcoin. He is saying he thinks the price is overvalued for now.
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i'm calling bottom here.
Might very well be for the short term. I am hoping it drops a bit further since I have some small buy orders under this level.
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Man, we are really hosing through the 70s.
Panic/capit detected. I'm looking forward to the bottom.
no panic as long as we are above 50 If it drops from 90 to 51 in one day, I ld call that panic...
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havelock is being DDOSED this time... I want to Buy....
How badly? do i want to buy??? my leg is shaking! I was thinking about proposing some sort of deal (I buy now for you, you buy with your money for me later), with a percentage in it for me, but its probably just asking for problems, I mean, exchanges can go down, funds frozen etc. ... Doesn't seem worth it.
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I really am surprised we are not bouncing there. Lots of buys lined up behind us, but none looking to move into the sell side...
All the big ask walls didn't really matter when the bubble was going up. All the big buy walls won't really matter now that we are going down.
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you smell that? panic is in the air i buy now. You really see panic? I didn't see much panic. But I'm expecting it soonish. Almost ready for the big drop...
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I'm waiting for 12 with a net There may not be any left. I'm gonna scoop some up closer to 13. ya right not if i get them all at $13.1! Are you going to keep on necrobumping?
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Rofl, priceless . It's embarrassing how many of those are true , especially the 'foul bachelor frog' types.
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aww, looks like most of the fun is over. By the way, what happens if people lend money for under an hour. Can they lend interest-free, do they pay for a full hour....?
This has been asked a couple of times and I am pretty sure the answer is they pay for an hour. 0 - 60 min 1 hour 61 - 120 min 2 hour and so on What was still not answered as far as I remember is if I lend out the same money 3 times in the same hour (for 10 minutes each) do I get 3 times 1 hour interest? Seems logical to me. Otherwise, why would 1 buyer not have to pay while the other would have to pay? + you could change the amounts and percentage each time, no way to tell which money was lent out before.
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