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1681  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: July 08, 2016, 03:42:39 AM
the best way for steady income is find a job, then save 20% of you're income then if you more money have lend it to other with 5% to 10%, then roll it back, until 10 to 20 yrs. and you will find that you have steady income.
It's a good plan actually, if you can keep it up for 20 years or more you will not be having a problem in the future, savings is really important to have something to spend in tough times.
1682  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 08, 2016, 03:36:02 AM
waves yobit? lol

Dont send your waves to yobit
its better not to use yobit, they exchange used manually depositing.
But I guess you can still trade in yobit, I does not matter if the transfer takes too long as what matters is you make money with their current price.
1683  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: July 08, 2016, 03:28:32 AM
If I were rich, I would still gamble for fun as I do it now. Maybe because I would be rich not because of gambling, but of other stuff (some investments as an example). IMO, I don't think that generally anyone can get rich of gambling.
You are 100% sir,there is no way to get rich from this goddamn gambling
I was close to this actually but I became too greedy and that was the reason i lost all...
If you want to gamble just get big money in there and big bets,thats all guyz
everyone has their own opinion. like gambling and some are hated gambling. it is reasonable . gambling is not a game for me to get rich. gambling just a hobby. like some of the messages that you do not spend your money for a hobby.

true, gambling is good depending of you are playing with it. If you know how to control and manage your money then I think you can gamble. But if you are out of control in playing gambling please avoid it as early as you can. Because you can lose that you cannot afford to lose. And I agree that gambling is just a hobby and not to get rich. Sometime if we win once in gambling we can't stop ourselves in playing with it. But I know there are people that after winning they just want to stop and put the money in their savings Smiley
For the rich people is should be a hobby for them as they will not care so much even when they lose money, they are just after for the fun but the poor have a different perception of gambling.
1684  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin to be international currency on: July 08, 2016, 03:25:44 AM
If bitcoin to be international currency, what do you think?
You can use it every where and anywhere, without exchange it.
And how to use transaction with it, if bitcoin just crypto currency?
How many people like with this thread?

That will happen sooner. At this point of time it is an international currency but only in a small scale since not all are accepting bitcoins and only a selected few are accepting it.When the time comes then it is very beneficial especially to Overseas Workers, it will be easy to send money just a click of the finger and the family will receive bitcoins. It will be easy and faster.
That would be a great help for the overseas workers because some remittance center does charge huge amount for transfer and banks also does not offer fast transfer of your funds as they need to check for KYC, with bitcoin it is very simple, fast, and low cost.
1685  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: July 08, 2016, 03:16:53 AM
The earnings of gambling can be unlimited but its all depending on how you are doing it and what kind of tactics you are having.
I must say that the most people lose money but the earnings can als be good on gambling.

Gambling is all depend in luck and that is why it can be unlimited if you are having the luck.
yeaaa most people are in negative profit, so most of us are earned nothing.
i can earn $50 daily by gambling and i can lost more than $500 too in a day.
so becareful make gambling as your main income.

This is true, You cannot make gambling as your main making income every day. And you cannot lean on gambling when you really need to earn big in just one day. depending if you really a lucky one to win in just one click. because you can just play gambling if you are really bored.  Smiley
I think no one does, even successful gamblers does not make money daily consistently, but I would not try or even dream to become a professional gambler as the process is very hard.
1686  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Off-Season on: July 08, 2016, 03:04:31 AM
he looks very strange in the uniform (durant) But im sure I will get used to it as the season goes on.
Not sure why wade went to chicago. Seems like its going from one middle of the pack team to the other. I was hoping he
would join lebron again. That would make the cavs warriors final fun.
He cannot join lebron because the salary cap of cavaliers would not allow it, cavaliers has been playing so much for love and thompson, and so as with irving.
1687  Other / Off-topic / Re: Any safe way to grow my bitcoins ? on: July 07, 2016, 08:01:37 AM
I recommend you to Don't invest your hard earned Bitcoins in shit investment sites, gambling sites because they are scamming people. I only suggest you to Store your Bitcoins in your wallet For a price increase thus this way your Bitcoins can be grown and you can make profits...

The safest way is just to keep it no need to invest, if you are a believer that the price of bitcoin will appreciate in the future then you have nothing to worry by just keeping your bitcoins. It's a no-brainer actually, you just need to follow you instinct.

Your right, if you just keep your bitcoins in your wallet you are not prone to being scam by any sites because you only manage your funds and that is less risky. But if you want some action you can do trading and investing, it could force you to monitor the market and that is good for your keep updated of your learning.
1688  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to go to US$800+ on: July 07, 2016, 07:54:44 AM
I think bitcoin is going up 100% with or without a crash. I think people will buy big time / hold ahead of
halving.

I know not everyone thinks halving will send it way up but I know people will hold to see what happens which will
help bitcoin go up.
I dont think the bitcoin is going to the 800 dollar maybe at the end of this year but not for now because the price is slowly coming back up into the 600 dollar and that is enough for now
because if he is going to rise that fast he would not be 800 at the end of this year.

$800 not possible to achieve at halving and the pump is over now as we won't see any major pump at halving, as we should be satisfied with price that we are watching right now

The time to reach 800 is long gone. I hope to see the price go above 700 dollars and perhaps even stabilize but it will be hard, very hard.
Maybe the price will test 500 dollar again,
we will soon reach even bigger prices than 800 dolalrs per bitcoin in my opinion, the price of it is going to grow because of a bitcoin block reward halving, in this way we would make a lot of money
No halving would not help the price rise, you must see where we are now just still around $600. we must realistic now the only make the price fly away if investor comes in a couple days before halving.
That is the good thing now that we are steadily staying with that price so we can buy more bitcoins in preparation of the coming halving. Just believe and we will achieve the price sooner or later, that massive adoption will just happen.
1689  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: July 07, 2016, 07:47:14 AM
I saw a news today that a bank will charge interest on customer deposit. For bitcoin, you can save it yourself, and will not get negative interest.
That's how inflation works and that's mostly likely the reason for our economy to be destroy. Our banks is just a big type of a ponzi scheme where they like to give big interest to attract people to deposit on them but there's no assurance of really giving you the profit you make anually thus making a big inflation in the market.
So this time we should just invest with bitcoins and not in banks anymore, in due time it will happen to all the country and it will be costly just to save your money.
1690  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it a good long term investment to buy 1 BTC today? on: July 07, 2016, 07:44:14 AM
How safe is it?
It is not a bad to thing to buy Bitcoin at the moment because OI am sure that if you buy right now that you are going to make money with them.
So it is not going to hurt you but if you are not serious about it then do not do it.


Its always good to have 1 btc in your wallet but you cannot make huge profits from it as to earn higher profits in future I think you should hold at least 10 to  15 btc.
Yeah for now its better to wait for block halving because im sure we will see that the price will decrease more after block halving if they see that the price is hit at 700-900 value..
Even if it will only reach $900 this year that would already be a great improvement of bitcoin this year, we are just lucky that halving will happen this year so we should not this opportunity slip away.
1691  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: July 07, 2016, 07:39:44 AM
It depends what do you think and what is your financial status.
If you have a lot of money or enough money but u dont mind to loose some just for relaxation or recreation it is not wrong.
But when u have bad financial status,gambling again is always wrong,no matter what.

having a lot of money doesn't mean gambling becomes not wrong. gambling can make a rich become a poor in no time, it happens quite common and it's wrong.
So you are telling that all the people should not gamble even if what they are risking is their own money? I think that is being unfair, we should have the freedom to spend our money even in gambling.
1692  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you actively spend your bitcoins? on: July 07, 2016, 07:37:09 AM
I do sometimes spend some Bitcoins to by some stuff for my computer I know that people say that it is not handy to spend Bitcoin at the moment but I do not really care.
I am going to spend if I want to spend so do not judge me please.
I spend bitcoins too but not the way you do.
I collect my whole profit at one wallet every week,i take 10% and spend it for anything i want.
I save 45% and the remaining 45% i invest into casino's or trading etc.
That is a very good saving strategy, if you can follow that diligently you will be rich in no time. I just love to follow yours as I believe saving is very important to sustain living in the future.
1693  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: July 07, 2016, 07:33:11 AM
House edge wont let you make profit constantly,what means you always loose at long run as you said.
This is the reason i always go big,because if you can win with casino big amount of money in few bets,it's fine and the more bets u do you have bigger chance for getting big losing streak.

Yes it is true that in the long run you will always lose it because there is a house edge which can let you win it but to play big amount, you will still lose it too although you play using low odds because there is no guarantee that you will sure win in gambling. All you have to do is to get some luck and then get big winning. Only some rich people dare to play big amount to earn a little profit because according to me that strategy sure is really bad strategy to use, suddenly you can lose everything that instant
That would only make it that we should not play games that has a house advantage if we don't want to lose in the long run, gambling is only good when we are only having fun doing some kind of games with house edge.

However, if you are serious with gambling and you want to make more money, you need to make the right research to select the right game for your where you can have a good chance to win.
1694  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: July 07, 2016, 07:28:59 AM
When you lose, you want to recover again and again, and when you win, you want more..so you will not go until you lose all.haha
Well, that is human nature and we cannot blame people doing that, we need to chase also to win but we should always consider that chasing bets is very risky so we need to control ourselves.
Human nature's is a gambler fallacy? i dont think so.
In my opinion it is rather that when u loose you want to recover,but when you win you become to make yourself greedy to make bigger profit,you already dont care that you might loose everything very fast if you go riskier tactic.
It clearly define humans desire as a never ending satisfaction. Whenever we hit our goal we ask for moire and when we lose it we want it to be recover and learn on our mistake.
True , the simply answer of why gambling so addicting are due it's human nature that you never feel satisfied . You will always gamble as long as your loss not recovered yet and that's what make people keep playing and get addicted.

Well dissatisfaction is really a human nature and I think it is very to stop it. And if ever you are already an addicted gambler it is very hard to get out of it.
That is really one of the reason why gambling is so addicting because of dissatisfaction.

Definitely. I think one of the biggest reasons why people are addicted to gambling is because they are dissatisfied by their current circumstances. Or, they could be chasing their losses because they don't want their balance to be so low.

I guess watching your balance grow is also very enjoyable, but most of the times it goes back down to 0.
so i think with this , the case are closed! the reason people get addicted to gamble are because :

1. dissatisfied on winning
2. cahsing loss

else , gambling is not fun anymore when you get addicted.
Definitely, we cannot feel the essence of gambling if we are after on the money more than the entertainment it may bring while doing it. In reality it is really hard to do both that's why majority choose the wrong side which is money.
1695  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: July 07, 2016, 07:25:55 AM
For me I recommend lending, you can give loans here on this forum or invest on p2p lending sites like btcjam , etc. You can also try your luck on gambling or investing on HYIPs though it's not recommended.
Lending is a very good way to make profit on this forum if you have inital deposit,the only problem is that you need to find trustworthy person,and you motto
need's to be "no collateral no loan" Cheesy I like investing in btc casino's,it yields pretty good profit too.

I am aware some people are doing great with lending. But it's risky don't forget that. Sometimes you need to do a lot of effort to get 1 dollar back.
For me personally that's not worth it.
You are right, I would not focus on lending in the community, I believe there are other ways that we can learn here in the community aside form gambling, I would rather do day trading.
1696  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 07, 2016, 07:23:14 AM
Any ETA on techpaper release?

Full nodes will be published less than in 2 weeks + Presumably, tech paper will be available with the launch of full nodes = We think that this it's doable Smiley
Looking forward to the release. Good luck.
This is amazing, thanks twiggy, this would probably help the price to rise a bit, we should continue this improvement and that would only prove that the devs are doing their jobs.
1697  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: July 07, 2016, 03:29:22 AM
I agree with OP. Everyone losses in the long run, especially on dice sites or casino games that have provably fair, but if you have big bankroll, you can go long run on it.
yes it a fact. i think every one know about this. buts still no one can still quit gambling. they have so many examples in front of them. but still they believe that they can earn from gambling and in the end they do advise to other to not to do gambling.

This is what you called gamble addiction and hypocrisy LOL.  Anyway yes gambling will let you win at the beginning to trigger your inner greed and fortify your belief that "you can win next round".  With the successful method of doing so, you ended up losing all at the long run.  House EDGE kicks in, 20 x lose in a row and still believing you will win next time LOL.
Yeah you are not going to win in the long run because that is just almost impossible to do.
I also have lost many more times then that I won so I have learned my lesson.
Winning in the long run is what most gamblers experience but not everyone losses in the long run, it matters on the games we play and if it has a house advantage the title would only apply, but skilled base games will give us a good chance to win.
Yup in base skill games we have a lot of chance to win our bet in the long run. But here we have to care very full, and we have to be very quick in the game. And also in sports betting you can make longer term win but here sometimes we see some unpredict result, but it is ok this will not happen daily. So here also you can make long term win.

In any aspect of gambling only the house has the favor on it. If you are going to realize that then that's the reason why everyone is losing always in the long run.
It is better to stay away from gambling and avoid your gambling pleasures.

Not all aspects. There's sports betting in which you can choose which lines to bet on. If you're a good sports analyst you could gain an edge. Poker is the same thing, you can also gain an edge by various strategies. In Black Jack you can count cards and gain the edge in your favor.

I would say that's sports betting is risky at all even you know the team that you are going to bet as it is also a business for the sports industry.
Anything can happen there also even the unexpected ones. Even the opponent team can let their opponent wins as the manage is going to say it.
Gambling is risky and so as sports betting but the point here is when gambling we need to choose a game that would give us a good chance to win and if you compare it with dice you will definitely choose sports betting in terms on chances.
1698  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: July 07, 2016, 03:26:48 AM
I think that it is very difficult to get a job, because so many unemployed people out there looking for work. maybe if you did feel you can make more money if you're out of work, perhaps you'd better go out and look for bitcoin. but I will not be out of work I get if I were given a salary that much, because it's very good if I combine with an income of bitcoin

Its right now pretty difficult to get a bitcoin job but this is because the bitcoin community is still small.
When this will change there will be a lot more jobs and maybe its even gonna be than easy to find a job in the bitcoin itself.
I agree the bitcoins job are still limited that is the problem. But the good thing about it is that the competition is still low.
That's why the demand is still high for the bitcoin jobs that are currently working today.
But if you already have both, full time day job and bitcoin job. That is better.
Yes bitcoin job are still limited but the competition isn't low,  Since job is limited, competition will be tight.
I will not quit my day job for bitcoin.  Since working for Bitcoin cannot meet my daily need.  So I think I'll keep my job and do Bitcoin task for extra earning

That's the advantage today with bitcoin job that the competition is not that tough at all. Unlike when you are going to look for a day time job.
You have a lot of competitors for just a one vacant position.
But if you get hired then that's the most happy day of your life.
Working with bitcoin will not give us the problem of underemployment because we are paid base on our capabilities and hardwork, our outcome is very transparent unlike in real job that there are sometimes politics that would be the hindrance for our success.

Yes, good thing that we already know about bitcoin. But for those people who are struggling on being unemployed.
They are having hard time to get employed but for us who have bitcoin job.
Even we are not employed we still have something for living. But it is always been to have both.
Yeah its better to full time of bitcoin if you struggling to being employed or you do not employed but for me with a regular job its really great that i have a monthly salary and profit in bitcoin. Having a primary source of income will give us stable in life plus you have extra income it makes you rich in the future.
The freedom is always when you do your job base on your desired time, when you are working you are bounded by the rules and some people will not appreciate your effort to the company and hence you will not be promoted, just do your job in bitcoin and you will rip what you planted.
1699  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When gambling makes you cry. on: July 07, 2016, 03:23:15 AM
As of now never experience to cry in gambling even i lost. and i think we are the same here..
And i think if you hit win a jackpot hundred thousands of usd can you makes you to cry because its a huge amount of money..
i have never had such experience too, if gambling makes you cry then in my opinion you should just quit it in order not to lose too much money with gambling as you might become broke
Gambling is only for brave people who can manage themselves with the ups and downs experience in gambling, I think if you can succeed in gambling you can easily succeed doing a legitimate business.
1700  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Off-Season on: July 07, 2016, 03:19:46 AM
It's sad to see my favorite player in NBA went to the most hated sports club of all time. My Durant fan days are officially over. You picked money over legacy, you won't win anything in Warriors.
Warriors will be the champion this season and durant will experience his first championship, after that he will go back again to OKC to win a championship just like what lebron james did.

This kind of statement is really not new for a person that really don't watch NBA. Most of GSW diehard fans can't even state something like that. All they know is they are strong and has a big "chance" to win the championship next season but to the point of 100% claim, can't say something.
Nothing is sure in NBA because games can be manipulated for sure, and even if games will not be manipulated there is also a slim chances that durant or curry might be injured.
that's are more possible as we see curry have more injuries lately and f durant will have too gsw can't assure to come back to the finals as the nba is a long run to watched.
We have to consider that other teams are also making a good move like the spurs just acquired Pau Gasol. Do you think the spurs is not a legitimate contender this season, you have see how LA and Pau dominate the paint and men they can both shoot threes.

Yeah, they are too focused on Durant and GSW that they are not seeing the good trades others are making. They are brushing off the trades of spurs and knicks. They will be good team too this coming season, teams to watch out for. GSW maybe stronger with the addition of Durant on their lineup, but these teams will not make it easy for them to win the championship next season.
I have no faith on Knicks this season that they can make it to the finals, they are strong but with some background of injuries for both rose and anthony, they will need to play healthy for the entire season to make it.
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