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1741  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: August 30, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
I am really hoping the exchanges will be more proactive managing all those issues and come up with the right steps to bring more confidence of investors and traders, technical people, everyone soon.
1742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: August 30, 2011, 06:52:00 PM
Like many people said, we should not look too much into the orderbook. Experienced traders, and particularly those who can use bots, will use this to fool others with this strategy.
I agree with this, but the idea of "fake walls" is completely ridiculous, and I’m quite sick of reading it on these forums. I haven’t seen any that were cancelled when touched for a while. Also, I remember a wall of 10k BTC somewhere around ~8.5$ recently which was completely filled at ONCE.

Walls are not fake. Every single order can be filled without any chance for the owner to cancel it if it happens at once, even the very big ones by people who have the means to. It is a real risk to have such an order without intending to actually have it executed.

But generally it is true that the order book is way too easy to manipulate by bots, changing the entire shape in seconds. This can be prevented by small, for humans insignificant fees for cancellation or setting of orders.

I have viewed quite  a few fake walls, which really disappered quickly (perhaps got partially filled). So it is definitely happening. At the same time, there are also many real walls.

Net, there is both happening.
1743  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: August 30, 2011, 05:30:49 PM
Like many people said, we should not look too much into the orderbook. Experienced traders, and particularly those who can use bots, will use this to fool others with this strategy.

I used the order book well from October 2010 to March / April 2011, but after it got too inconsistent due to the above mentioned phenomenon.
1744  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Order Book with WebSockets on: August 30, 2011, 04:50:53 AM
thanks.
I wish mtgox would deliver better data
1745  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Order Book with WebSockets on: August 29, 2011, 11:09:00 PM

Here is what happens:

Mt.Gox does not stream the full order book over the WebSocket; it streams only the changes as they come in. Therefore, the site polls the normal API at getDepth.php to get the 'whole' book. The problem is that the call to that API address seems to return only those orders within +/- $2 of the strike price. This is what you see when the order book loads initially.

As new orders come in, some lie outside of the initial 'full' book, so you get that light volume in the fringes of the book. There really is no way at this point to get an accurate representation of the entire order book.


Hi again, there is still some discrepancy between your order book completeness vs. MtGox (see here: https://mtgox.com/trade/history)

If you click on Market depth rounded, you see that the bids and ask go further than on your site. Any idea why? I remember it was better on your site days before. Anything changed?
1746  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 29, 2011, 08:48:35 PM
You can read "market wizards". There is no need to reinvent the wheel.
1747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 29, 2011, 08:31:32 PM
Given a fixed amount of money ($100) and a fixed time frame (month), can a specific trader in isolation beat the market by at least some percentage (3%) using only charts and indicators but no news media? Then do it again next month and next?

The answer is no. However, since there are lots and lots of such traders someone will - but it's not due to skill but simply chance.



This is my last post here in this thread about the topic of "can a trader beat the market regularly, without being lucky all the time", as I do not want to take more time to debate this with people not even trying to understand.

Trading, using technical analysis, and the proper money management is a skill that you can learn. But it is hard work. You can compare it with learning to play a music instrument or playing tennis.

If a musician or tennis player practiced for years, he will likely be better than others who are less talented and / or trained less hard.

It is no chance or luck that they beat others on a regular basis, the may lose some matches, but will win the majority of matches.

The same applies for trading and other activities.

1748  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 29, 2011, 07:26:07 AM

Didn't you say we were in rally mode after we broke 11?

Yes, and we also gave a sell signal after prices did not hold above 10.5$, which was a critical requirement.
1749  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: August 28, 2011, 03:11:02 PM
Funny how your long term is always up. How long is "long term?" All we've been seeing for the past 4 months is down, down, down

4 months are you sure?

We are down from the high 8 weeks to the 5.74 $ low, and down 11 weeks to date.
1750  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] BitcoinPoster.com (free ad space for first 25 thread replies) on: August 28, 2011, 12:14:40 PM
block 43+44 please. Send me a pm and I respond.
thank you
1751  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pattaya on: August 28, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Clearly Pattaya is highly contentious. I see no reason to hold an event there, when so many other fantastic locations exist, both in Thailand (amazing country!) and elsewhere.

A conference is about networking, development, fun, and PR. All parts are important - and Pattaya seems terrible for that forth criteria, and if it is dangerous and super awkward, then it'll be terrible for the third as well.

Bruce - let's rethink the location.

Weighing the pros and cons, pataya should not be the location.
bitcoin rather needs more serious PR and needs go build credibility.
1752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 28, 2011, 10:00:01 AM
Are the methods for analyzing the charts made for something with this kind of inflation?



Yes, the charts work for very well for this. If you are interested, I can share some examples, but don't have time today.
1753  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 28, 2011, 09:09:22 AM
It is no chance if someone has consistently a track record of over 70% success.

This is based on statistics.

And no: I don't think that for just being 70% right I deserve a Nobel price.
1754  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 28, 2011, 08:47:45 AM

Repeat: No analyst ever has outperformed chance. Ever.


Now you made my day. I can't stop laughing. Grin

1755  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 28, 2011, 08:43:43 AM
defxor seems to think that being a good trader is about knowing whether to buy or sell. It isn't.

As S3052 says, it's about good money management, and what that means is regardless of if you buy or sell, being a good trader is about knowing how much to place on a certain trade, and at what % to take profits and cut losses.

Nothing to do with whether it's a buy or a sell.

Even if 100 people just took a random guess, let's say 50 chose to sell and 50 chose to buy... that doesn't mean there are 50 successful trades, because they still don't know how much % they should be putting on the line and what their exit points are.


Thanks for summarizing so well. +1
1756  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 28, 2011, 07:25:07 AM
defxor, I'm not a financial person by any means, but I'm guessing that the technical analysis works

I doesn't. It's a well researched topic and anyone who could provably show their TA works would be instantly world famous and talked about everywhere.

I could agree with you if I have done 5 trades, but I have a 70% success rate since 8 years, with more than 5,000 trades.

See above.

And if you know statistics, which I assume you do, you also understand that statements about the past can never support your claim. You need to have a provable track record of predictions, published before the fact and not after so that there's not bias of underreporting bad traders and overreporting the good.

If you are that successful, you should start now. There's a Nobel Prize in Economics waiting.



There are good fundamental analyst, i.e. Warren Buffet at least was picking some good stocks. And there are a number of good technical analysts who can strong track records.

It's like sports, there are good and bad left handed tennis players, there are good and bad right handed tennis players, and both can be world class.

It is commonly accepted that technical analysis works. But I don't want to persuade you, it is perfectly fine that you do not want to use it.
1757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: August 28, 2011, 06:17:41 AM
Long term is looking at monthly charts. Starting period summer 2010. TREND UP

Summer?  Which hemisphere?
 

I need to think more globally... I mean: In May 2010, bitcoin trading started at bitcoinmarket and in August 2010 on MtGox
1758  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: August 28, 2011, 01:29:38 AM

Thanks for the valid question, so let me clarify:

Long term is looking at monthly charts. Starting period summer 2010. TREND UP
Mid term is looking at weekly / daily charts. TREND DOWN
Short term are all time frames under 60min charts. TREND DOWN
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1759  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Order Book with WebSockets on: August 28, 2011, 12:36:50 AM
Thanks for the clear and prompt answer, and.. keep your great service up!
1760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin PR effort on: August 28, 2011, 12:05:02 AM
I was just watching Jeff Garzik's presentation at the Bitconf (really? Bitcon? was someone asleep?), and he mentioned the need for a PR effort to bring a higher level of bitcoin education to the general public.

As I happen to agree, and have a background in communication and journalism, it resonates with me.


Great that you started this thread. Let's work together. I will sent back some feedback and ideas soon.
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