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1761  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 17, 2021, 02:23:59 AM
There are also known addresses with no private keys.

There are no addresses with no private keys.

Better formulation:  It hasn't been proved that there's an address that has no private keys. On average, each one has 296 different keys.

There are addresses for which the possibility of there being a known private key is practically entirely impossible.

For example - these:

1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
1111111111111111111114oLvT2

The reason the private key is almost certainly unknown is these addresses are like vanity addresses.  I own a 16 core (32 thread) Ryzen 9 5950 (Monero ASIC lol).  This is one of the most powerful consumer CPUs you can currently buy, and actually stomps a lot of the Server type chips as well.

Executing the command
Code:
vanitygen 1BitcoinEaterAddressDoNotS
(Unfortunately I cannot even search for the last three letters) starts a search that on my chip is calculated to have a 50/50 chance of finding an address starting like this in:

74,159,994,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years.

For a little (impossible) perspective the universe is thought to be only:
                                          14,000,000,000 years old.

So... there are no known private keys for those addresses without some kind of backdoor for SHA2.
1762  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 17, 2021, 02:01:16 AM
Good stuff. If he really was Satoshi, he would be hiding in a whole or on some island, enjoying his non-main wallet riches. (that he farmed with his CPU or GPU like the rest of the planet) Smiley

Here's a thought experiment: Satoshi CPU mined coins in the first couple of years. Knowing that everything is visible on chain, and knowing so obviously that no one else was mining within the first few months, he know that all those blocks could be associated with him until there were enough other people mining blocks.

He continues mining, but as soon as there are others, he slowly moves some of those later mined coins to other addresses and keeps doing so every few months, leaving the entire first year (except the one he sent to Hal) untouched.

The early coins never move. The coins after a certain block or date have been moving every year since. ... 1m coins do not move. 100k or 10k move (around the same time or after the first pizza was bought) ... they keep moving once a year or so ... 1k is cashed out some time between then and now, the remaining 99k or 9k is still out there looking like everyone else.


Or it's quite possible none of the coins move at all too. Who really knows?

This is pretty much exactly how I believe he did it.  There are only two scenarios, I think.

1.  He's dead.

2.  He has done more or less what you proposed.

He is (was?) a genius, level headed, calm, deeply understood game theory and understood what it would mean to use those coins from the early mining.  If he is still alive he has had the discipline to lay down riches of huge proportions.  And this is no small extent done because he knows it would endanger the stability of the invention if he touched those. And if his identity was known, especially at the beginning (you are here) it would be detrimental to the project, and dangerous for him.

What a badass.
1763  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 17, 2021, 01:14:59 AM
Pepper Your Angus


Sub $30,000 today.

Trolls like this dickhead show up at super interesting times!
1764  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 17, 2021, 12:24:00 AM
^  Uuuh you’re saying, almost shilling, the hype will drive the price much higher then say it’s not the point.  Why mention the hype in the first place?

And how can we use Monero if we don’t buy Monero?  And what’s really happening here is what Fluffy said years ago.  It’s beta vs VHS.  Beta was the superior tech but everybody used VHS cos it had more marketing behind it and the companies that mattered in that space all supported it.

You can call what I am doing shilling if you want.  But this is a weird place to shill.  No one here is buying all that much Monero based on something I am saying are they?  What I am saying is Monero is destined to enter a phase of being USED for it's intended purpose in a way that it very unique and might create pressure on the price.  But ironically it will not be because people are dumping money into Monero as a singular investment.

It will be a completely novel interplay between two cryptographic systems in which value is a secondary trait to privacy.
1765  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 15, 2021, 02:03:29 AM
I cannot tell you how satisfying it is to see my predictions from 2014 come true.  I posted something on Reddit, i think, or here... about BTC and Monero finding a kinship that people do not expect.



And we are going to see it.  And already are.  Just the HYPE for Monero is going to drive it's price MUUUUUCH higher.  At least until it gets made illegal by a government.  In the end the price is, as we said back then as well... not the point.

Don't buy Monero.  Use it.


I feel bad that I do not like this show because Truman is leading the sort of anti-BTC maxi charge (and I know there are people here who agree with him) but this episode is wonderful.  And I have found I am way fonder of the Samourai guys...

https://t.co/QsrCyABOuP?amp=1
1766  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2021, 04:42:58 PM
I just opened up an Electrum wallet which hasn't been used for several years, to find several identical and very small transactions. Suspecting a dust attack, but I've never paid much attention to the issue since I've never encountered it before. Should I be doing anything about this? Should I be worried?*

*ever noticed how so many MSM articles and interviews start with "should we be worried about...."

EDIT: just found fillippone's useful post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175238.0 - thanks!

Just mark those UTXO as frozen or do not spend and be on your way...
1767  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 14, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
https://unstoppableswap.net/

It seems some are already trying to get meting place where demand and supply will bet for BTC XMR atomic swaps. Right now they use testnet. I guess these markets will come in many shapes and will evolve fast over time.

Anyone selling their Monero for less than 4 to 1 is a fool.

Anyone selling their btc for monero off books is doing it because its tainted.


So, this obviously is the dawn of some major speculative interestingness for Montago.

Does one want to enter the possibly lucrative, but also dangerous world that is about to burst forth?

Unfortunately(?) we continue to prove ourselves in the highest adversarial environment possible.  This PROVES Monero has way more value than is currently reflected by the price, but it will also draw a huge amount of legal attention to us again.

kind of a mixed bag, if you ask me.  But overall quite interesting!
1768  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2021, 12:25:48 PM
Good morning wo.

So my buddies at Apple finally sold enough iPhones to buy some btc . Nice



Apple bitcoin purchase is fake news.

Rumour originated from @AltcoinGordon on 9th July.

https://twitter.com/altcoingordon/status/1413587993881894913?s=21
https://twitter.com/altcoingordon/status/1414122514981265409?s=21



He goes, and goes, evidently...

1769  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
Good morning wo.

So my buddies at Apple finally sold enough iPhones to buy some btc . Nice



What?  Don't be makin stuff up, now.
1770  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Gibraltar Stamp - FREE raffle - pick a number - Happy Days on: July 13, 2021, 12:21:06 PM
37, please!

Thanks for the contest.
1771  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2021, 12:55:46 AM
I think this current drop is a headfake.  Big move coming, and I am betting to the upside.

 Cool

Or we slideways for months.. I dunno. But I still think the top one.
1772  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 10, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
Kraken down? I'm astonished to see there hasn't been any panic selling yet.

We only panic now if Elon tells us to panic on Twitter...

Well seeing as his "defacto layer 2" just failed, I imagine he will be telling us to shortly.

Actually this Elon/Doge/Defacto Layer 2 (banks) topic is extremely important to me so you are all going to get an exposition of exactly why Elon is a clown-fool even though he is really close to the truth.  (So skip now if that would irritate you lol)  The other real possibility is he is actively trying to destroy/subvert bitcoin, which would require him to be acting on a level HIGHER than what he is saying and therefore might just be as smart as many thought he was, but also evil.  I bet on the fact he is massively lucky rather than smart, and his recent actions have been an ignorant showing of his ass rather than a well planned manipulation of things to gain control of the world's emerging financial network.  Occam's razor, if you ask me.  The former is just way more likely.

If you have read any of my tomes in the past, you would know I often speak somewhat positively of "Bitcoin Banks".  This is a contentious position with OGs like us (and even the newcomers) because of the idea that banks are the enemy and Bitcoin banks would take part in all kinds of abominations such as fractional reserves, rehypothecation and all kinds of other shenanigans.

This whole issue strikes at two fundamental issues in Bitcoin which are often discussed, and though might be tiresome to continue to rehash (harhar) are important enough that we continue looking at them until we are clear of the sort of subversion that the smart/evil version of Elon could be up to. (doubt it)

1.  All of this finds it's roots in our favorite block size debate.  For bitcoin to scale it has two fundamental paths it can choose from - with exceedingly different tradeoffs.  The direction Elon is suggesting Doge should go is (correctly pointed our here by Wuckert) already well under way in the big block vision for bitcoin.  Complete with centralizing patents, lol

2. The vast majority are going to need to hire people to help them manage their wealth in Bitcoin.  There is just no way around this.  One argument could be that the tools to self-manage will get SO MUCH better that most could pull it off, but I have a hard time imagining this.  Simple holes in this theory like the $5 wrench attack just can't easily be overcome.  Sure we can use multi-sig and time locks etc to improve this but in the end MOST people (including most SMART ones) are going to need to hire someone to manage their BTC.  Grayscale, Coinbase, Kraken etc. obviously have the right idea (in SOME ways) in establishing themselves as the sorts of trusted third parties you can really trust! (tm).

So why is Elon wrong?  That's exactly what he is saying, right?  That exchanges will be the de facto layer 2, and working on scaling on the base layer is a worthy idea in light of that.

No. 

The problem does not lie in the fact that banks are centralizing forces.   That is close, but not exactly there.  The problem is if you centralize on the base layer, like Kurt wants us to do, then yes, ultimately bitcoin banks do not take anything away from you.  Because we are never decentralized at all.  So using a centralizing service on top of a centralized protocol is moot.  It does not make any difference.

Whereas starting with a DECENTRALIZED protocol allows us to CHOOSE to use a centralizing service or NOT.  That CHOICE is only available if we keep the base simple enough (and free of patents) to allow people to actually "be their own banks".

This is the distinction.  It is not that we MUST "be our own banks".  It is that we CAN.  That is the important detail.  And that is what is worth fighting for.

That is also the proof to me that Musk is a fool.

Because his moronic vision for how "crypto" should work is already being patented by nChain.  Though this is meaningless to Bitcoin... Wuckert has a point that Elon is just trying to reinvent the same retarded wheel that his  project it staking claim to.

The other option, that Elon is being used by the Powers that Be is a paranoid fantasy in my opinion.  He is inadvertently fighting for those powers, and I am sure they are pleased with his contributions.  It is just a matter of time before Carstens or LeGarde reaches out to him to slyly say "Boy... you seem to understand 'crypto' better than all the rest, perhaps you could help by being the face of our CBDC projects?".

These two approaches to the same thing look remarkably alike to an observer who is not keen enough to see the nuance.  Just as a huge set of black and white concentric rings is going to look almost EXACTLY like the set of white and black ones.  To Elon: "What's the difference?"  To people that understand, the are fundamentally night and day.

This is why I think it is so important to keep talking about the fundamental reason that Bitcoin matters at all.  It is not so we can have fast, cheap digital payments.  Even Satoshi almost seemed to miss this.  And this is the main reason I also think Hal was not him, because Hal got it from the top.  The whitepaper definitely describes the key element in Bitcoin's invention being the lack of need for trusted third parties, but the subtitle of the damn thing muddies the water, just because Satoshi had not gone enough levels deep in his understanding to know that it would be the FOUNDATION for decentralized (AND centralized) CASH SYSTEMS, but necessarily not that system itself, just as the engine is not the car.  Maybe he did realize this, but did not recognize that he would need to be ultra clear about it.  I doubt that though.  However, I have little to no doubt as to what his opinion would be on where we are NOW in the wake of mining centralization and the blocksize debate.

So...  Let's hope Elon finally figures out why he is showing his ass.  Yet, let's also make sure to watch him carefully. Because he is very powerful (for better or worse) on the world stage and could definitely throw a $5 wrench into the works, purposely, or just by bumbling around - as he appears to be doing.

In the end.  The REAL THING cannot be defeated.  But the more clarity we have on what matters - the quicker that inevitable victory is fully realized.

Carolina.
1773  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 10, 2021, 06:28:17 PM
Kraken down? I'm astonished to see there hasn't been any panic selling yet.

We only panic now if Elon tells us to panic on Twitter...

Well seeing as his "defacto layer 2" just failed, I imagine he will be telling us to shortly.
1774  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2021, 09:50:20 PM
... a lot of his debt comes due between 4.5 years and 7 years from now, and he has various back-up strategies and he also has various plans in the event that matters don't play out in the expected direction...

It has been studied for awhile, just using price history as data, that anyone who bought bitcoin at any time and held for at least 3.8 years should be in profit. So holding bitcoin for at least 4 years and even up to 7 years without doing anything to it, should yield a nice capital gain or profit.

I'm trying to look for the article or data (of course, price data is easy enough to find) ... but it's out there.

A conservative plan to hold for at least 4 or 7 years or longer should be more profitable than anything else out there.


As much as "Past performance does not guarantee future results" is a worthy saying (and common disclaimer) as far as Bitcoin goes, if it is not worth significantly more than 30k in 7-10 years something has gone terribly wrong for it.

The bottom line right now is if lightning use continues to work in El Salvador as it has in El Zonte, it will not be up just a little bit by the time his debt is due.  It's still that binary bet we've all been talking about for so long...  And it's still just in the warm up.  If lightning fails?  Well, that is the black swan where some centralized garbage steps up to solve the problem.  That's my only worry.  But I do not think lightning is going to fail.  It's not going to make the privacy or sovereignty purists happy right at first, but it's gonna work.  WoS is a DAMN good UI. And the UX is also top notch.

Elon and his scaling on Coinbase...  He really is just not as smart as many of us thought, is he?
1775  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2021, 03:56:30 PM
So just remember 1 btc = 1 btc

stack till you have a coin then hodl
that wallet

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/19oNXtgrEX9Lt6c7w3XXAxAWR2T7Ff7CiC

P2PKH address?  Keep that pubkey safe to guard against those pesky quantum computers... Wink
1776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2021, 01:17:42 PM
EU thinking of banning PoW




The actual wording proposes a ban on POW, not a ban on fossil fuel energy use by POW cryptos.

Banning fossil fuel use by POW mining would make more sense than banning POW mining.
Has anyone pointed that out to them?

In fact, allowing POW use of green, sustainable energy would increase demand for green, sustainable energy and provide great benefits to the environment by driving green energy use. Subsidize POW green energy use, pass laws that encourage it.  If you ban POW, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

So go ahead, Europe, ban fossil fuel POW.  And encourage POW green energy use.

Someone needs to wake these people up.  How could they be so oblivious?

They are not oblivious at all.  They want control.  Bitcoin threatens that more than anything.  They are using a tried and true narrative to try to kill it.  You can see that it does not make any sense, but you assume they care about that part.  They do not.  Only the useful idiots will care about that.  This is unfortunate because there are a LOT of them.

They are currently using anything they can control half the population with as a wedge and a way to control the masses.  Environment, race, religion, politics, and so on.

The best we can possibly do is to just tell the truth.

Bitcoin energy use will revolutionize renewable energy, and support the creation of new energy sources in places that would not have had them without bitcoin providing a base use with value.  Bitcoin is going to make the earth greener faster than just about any technology we have ever seen before.

And THAT is just a side effect of the real freedom it brings.

This is inevitable... There are two sides lining up.

The old guard who wants to control the people of earth like farm animals and live off the prosperity the masses create.

And the proponents of freedom.

It is beginning to be quite obvious.  What is China doing?  If the EU wants to be more like China, then i am sorry to all of you friends who live there and will have to fight that nonsense.  Same with my country the USA.  We are barrelling towards that same point.

Bitcoin is more important than even we have understood.  It is AMAZING to watch this unfold.

Salute.

1777  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 08, 2021, 07:28:04 PM

That is an exceedingly salient article.  Seems to me the end of the world is playing out quite nicely.  If you think about is plagues and the mark of the beast are all in there together...
1778  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 08, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Damn, have I missed something?

Why is there a TP buying craze again? What happened this time? End of the world? UFOs & shit? COVID-19-related?

Or is it just investors buying the dip?

There's a rumour Elon Musk is going to tweet about wiping his ass.
I *AM* sorry.  But *THAT* is merit-worthy.

I was embarrased by Kaiser at Miami.. but you know what?  He was right.  Fuck Elon.
1779  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 08, 2021, 12:54:10 PM


For a while this thread became bidettalk instead of bitcointalk.



First of all when do we EVER talk about bitcoins here?

But second.  Someone really should be chronicling all this.  Going back over it to tease out all the good bits as above is just about impossible, I'd think.
1780  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 07, 2021, 10:59:05 PM
If anyone needs 0.75L of the Best White Vine they have ever ever and i mean ever drank let me know. It is ... worth every cent, it is 100k per bottle and it is only 100 Liters of Heartmade Vine and probably the best of this time... It makey your hair stay up due to of surprise of taste


Jesus H Christ this is tasty

Ur pro vine taster, eXPHorizon  Grin
I tend to lean towards reds for sure... But I do quite like a very very DRY white.  For ~$33 I think it would need to be dry for me.
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