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1881  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: November 01, 2013, 10:45:30 PM
I don't have a problem with the big bang insofar as it explains the expanding Universe, but I have a problem with the purported age of the Universe.

Take your measuring devices near the event horizon of a black hole, look out, and then tell me what the age of the Universe is.  The age of the Universe has been determined upon math, based upon empirical data collected from a relational area of space with unique spatial properties that determine the evidence.  Simply put, you see what you see because of where you are.  Go somewhere else, you might see something different.  If I travel at the speed of light while you remain stationary, we 'age' differently.  Does the age of the Universe therefore change because we aged differently, or does it remain the same?  The answer is "yes."  You need to re-evaluate your idea of time and age.

Are you actually claiming that you are smart enough to realize that this should be taken into account, and astrophysicists were too dumb to take effects of relativity, gravity, speed, and time dialation into account when calculating the age of the universe?
(Yes, you can calculate time near the event horizoon, since you can calculate the mass of the black hole you are orbiting, and adjust for time dialatioon from the nearby gravity well using well established relativity functions).

Surely there's an XKCD strip outlining the absurd content-stripping that occurs between stage 1 when the scientists do their experiments, and stage 5 when the junk press gets hold of the news?

They probably never did claim that the universe 'is' 13.x billion years old.
The scientists almost certainly tacked some qualifiers into their abstracts, like: from our frame of reference on Earth, the most distant parts of the universe that we've managed to observe, appear to be 13.x billion light years away. Or maybe they tried to explain that the 'age' might be a constant, and that in a billion years time it will still appear only 13 billion years old?

I think they just observed that the universe is expanding, calculated the speed at which everything is moving away from everything else, and figured out how long it would have had to move to get to where it is at if it started expanding from a starting point. Like the "Train A left the station traveling at 100km an hour" problem, except taking into account the effects on gravity on the acceleration and time.
1882  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Civil War in America on: November 01, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
Descendants of the 13 Bloodlines of the terrorist organization Illuminati is now putting the "Tea Party" into extinction.
http://news.yahoo.com/business-gop-establishment-tea-party-over-163718915--politics.html

Good riddance.  Yeah Illuminati!!

Although approve, we had nothing to do with that.
1883  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: November 01, 2013, 10:01:29 PM
Hi Rassah,

I talked to someone last night who works for a great non-profit (giving wheelchairs to kids in 3rd world countries) that might want to start taking Bitcoins. I instantly thought of you!  Any advice I should send his way?

Thanks.  Smiley



Would you be so kind as to post or PM me or Rassah the URL so that they can vetted?

http://www.freewheelchairmission.org/site/c.fgLFIXOJKtF/b.4916275/k.BE91/Home.htm

If you think it is an organization that you could get behind let me know and I will PM contact information for my friend there.  He said he was not sure what the directors would think but he was very interested!  He had never even heard of Bitcoin until I mentioned it to him.  Of course there are many great organizations out there that could use support but this is one that I thought might be open to allowing Bitcoin donations on their site.  Not sure why anyone would not want to?  I guess they don't really get the potential?  Wink

I vote yes for this one. There's a lot of god in their website description, but all they seem to do is give out wheel chairs to anyone who needs one, so I don't think it's a problem.

Lend For America apparently does have a donation page here http://lendforamerica.org/contact.html Any comments on whether they qualify?
1884  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: November 01, 2013, 02:52:16 AM
If you and someone else are at different points on a number line, and you calculate that 0 is 6 numbers away,n while someone else calculates that 0 is 15 numbers away, the 0 is still at the same exact spot. So our calculations of the age of the universe may be earth-centric, but it still tells us when the universe popped into existence. So I'm not sure why you have a problem with the age.
1885  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 31, 2013, 05:39:36 PM
Well while the USSR existed much more people (including gays and just about everyone else regardless of sexual orientation) were murdered than after Russia became independent. Does the name Stalin ring a bell?

Since I am from USSR, and my great-grandparents were one of the royal families who were lined up against the wall and shot in front of my 10 year old grandfather's eyes shortly after the revolution and pogroms, yes, it does ring a bit of a bell. Although I don't know what any of that has to do with religion, or the fact that homosexuality was decriminalized shortly after the fall of USSR, only to get re-criminalized after the orthodox church took over.

I'm sorry about that. I didn't know your background. Your original post made it seem to me as if you saw the USSR as better and Russia only become extremist after the fall of communism. There are many people who see the Soviet Union as a "cool" country and think communism is a good alternative for the current crony-capitalist system.

Wow, talk about a misconception. I wonder what I said to give that impression?  Grin
Nah, my opinion of Russia are as backwoods rednecks that came out of Ukraine (Kievan Rus) that was established some 400+ years before Russia, which then was rulled by some godawful kings, then a godawful soviet government, and just when they were about to establish some sense of freedom, another power (church) came in and started f*cking them over. The people there just have centuries of really really bad pro-authoritarian brainwashing  Undecided


And I feel sorry for Russian bitcoiners, who obviously are not part of that whole clusterfuck.
1886  Other / Politics & Society / Re: DHS Adviser: Muslim Brotherhood Like Christian Evangelicals – USA Is Islamic on: October 31, 2013, 05:36:37 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/muslim-brotherhood-just-like-evangelicals/#ij4fE7L3KCqcYd0w.99



    Department of Homeland Security adviser Mohamed Elibiary has penned yet another controversial tweet, this time likening the Muslim Brotherhood to evangelical Christians and comparing the Brotherhood’s indoctrination to Bible study groups.

    WND found that Elibiary tweeted: “Ignorant #Islamophobes (redundant I know) protested my saying #MB like #Evangelicals. Usra like Bible study grp.”

    The “MB,” or Muslim Brotherhood, seeks a worldwide Islamic caliphate ruled by Shariah, or Islamic law, and teaches followers to help establish an Islamic state wherever they live.

Well, at least this is more correct. Muslim Brotherhood aren't actually extremists, like the Taliban, and want to make the world Islamic about as much as conservative Christians want to make the world Christian (no one is disputing that connservative christians want to make USA a Christian nation, and make the rest of the world Christian, right?)
1887  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 31, 2013, 05:32:21 PM
No, I know they take this into account, but that doesn't really mean anything if they continue to ignore the problem this creates.

So are you claiming you understand the problem this creates, and they didn't, and didn't account for it?

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So, you've reached a determination of the static age of the Universe when various objects contained within that Universe age differently.  

Let's assume I'm moving at some velocity V ad that this causes my experience of 1 second to be (relatively) twice the length of a second that is experienced by you.  Now assume I move at this velocity for a billion years. I have thus relatively aged only 500 million years compared to your 1 billion.  Are you saying that after this, the Universe is still some 13.8 billion years old relative to both of us?

No. You would calculate the age of the universe relative to your timeline, and I would calculate it relative to my timeline. We calculated the age of the universe relative to earth's timeline, based on all the movements, accelerations, and decelerations of things we see out there. The age of the universe would be slightly different if we were calculating it from Mars, not the least of which due to the "year" on Mars being different than the year on Earth.
1888  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: October 31, 2013, 04:59:01 PM
In a RBE, not only automation makes drastic change, but also the fact that the removal of money come with the removal of a lot of job that only exist because of money.  Before, the majority of jobs were related to farming / food production, then the automation / fuel came, and the majority of jobs migrate to the service sector.  Now, as the production and service are being automated, and making money from money is the most profitable sector, we can see a new type of job, the money related jobs.. those jobs have nothing to do with production or service, but only making money out of money.  This sector is growing really fast in term of number of jobs.. removing money will remove the need for all those jobs.

You can't remove money, since you can't remove people's natural want to trade things (to remove money, you would need to remove the concept of "I owe you one" or the feeling of gratitute and generocity, from the human psyche). Money just makes expressing those feelings easier. What you CAN do is remove the need for banks to secure money and make it accessible (yay bitcoin), remove the need for investment banks to create and manage IPOs (yay OpenTransactions and colored coins), and remove the need for fund managers and stock traders (yay trading bots, though economists, business researchers, and general reporting about new technologies and businesses will have to continue). In short, you can't remove money any more than you can remove trade, but you can automate and obsolete much of the things that are related to it..
1889  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 31, 2013, 04:50:59 PM
maybe the problem is not the religion per se or the culture it resides in and influences, but theocracy?

Ayn Rand had some pretty persuasive arguments against religion when it became an arm of the state, which she viewed as inevitable in many cases (fascism, socialism, communism).

Note that Somalia doesn't really have a state, and Al Quida and Taliban don't belong to any specific country, yet both have major issues with religious extremism.

Personally, I would say the issue isn't theocracy, but conservatism. Religious extremism, fascism, communism, socialism, and even moderm democratic socialism of the US, all have concervatism, defined as resistance to change even in the fact of coonflicting evidence, as the central problem. Moderm liberals are more conservative than libertarians, since the former are fighting hard to preserve the status quo when it comes to governance, finance, and social programs, while the later are hoping for change and experimentation.
1890  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 31, 2013, 04:18:19 PM
check out this:
Rich-Get-Richer Effect Observed in BitCoin Digital Currency Network, August 22, 2013

Econophysicists studying the way people accumulate a new form of digital currency say they have observed the famous rich-get-richer effect for the first time.
https://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/BitCoin%20network.png

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/518541/rich-get-richer-effect-observed-in-bitcoin-digital-currency-network/


This paper has been thoroughly discussed, and I think even debunked, due to authors making a few mistakes and wrong assumptions. I hope I remember this correctly (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), but they assumed that large wallets belonging to exchanges and online wallet services were wallets of indiviidual wealthy owners, as opposed to belonging to many different owners, and even possibly lumped user's personal wallets together, if the users used the same address to trade on these exchanges. They also didn't take into account that wealthy bitcoin owners break up their wealth among many smaller accounts, and they linked a bunch of addresses together with the assumption that if one address sends money to another, both belong to the same person, despite the transaction possibly being between two people.
1891  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 31, 2013, 04:02:17 PM
The universe is infinite, there is infinite energy to be taken from the universe.

You can claim the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it fact. The universe is not infinite, and neither is energy. I'm not stating this, this is actual fact supported by actual evidence.

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Stare into the sun.  What happens?

Uh, you prove to your eye doctor that you are an idiot?

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I don't know what it was but it was explaining how consciousness reacts instantaneously, faster than light.

If consciousness reacts faster than light, then it would react, or more, or do whatever it does, slower that anything else in the world. Time slows as you approach the speed of light. Coonsciousness "reacting" at the speed of light would make it react backwards.
1892  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 31, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
I don't have a problem with the big bang insofar as it explains the expanding Universe, but I have a problem with the purported age of the Universe.

Take your measuring devices near the event horizon of a black hole, look out, and then tell me what the age of the Universe is.  The age of the Universe has been determined upon math, based upon empirical data collected from a relational area of space with unique spatial properties that determine the evidence.  Simply put, you see what you see because of where you are.  Go somewhere else, you might see something different.  If I travel at the speed of light while you remain stationary, we 'age' differently.  Does the age of the Universe therefore change because we aged differently, or does it remain the same?  The answer is "yes."  You need to re-evaluate your idea of time and age.

Are you actually claiming that you are smart enough to realize that this should be taken into account, and astrophysicists were too dumb to take effects of relativity, gravity, speed, and time dialation into account when calculating the age of the universe?
(Yes, you can calculate time near the event horizoon, since you can calculate the mass of the black hole you are orbiting, and adjust for time dialatioon from the nearby gravity well using well established relativity functions).
1893  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world on: October 31, 2013, 05:33:47 AM
Did Amir's implementation of this go down? The Tor site is inaccessible. Are there any other places where this is currently usable?
1894  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Google 'Floating Structures'. Anyone wants to bet what those are? on: October 31, 2013, 05:26:03 AM
Metal crates = seaworthy cardboard box alternatives for homeless pirates
1895  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 31, 2013, 05:20:02 AM
Well while the USSR existed much more people (including gays and just about everyone else regardless of sexual orientation) were murdered than after Russia became independent. Does the name Stalin ring a bell?

Since I am from USSR, and my great-grandparents were one of the royal families who were lined up against the wall and shot in front of my 10 year old grandfather's eyes shortly after the revolution and pogroms, yes, it does ring a bit of a bell. Although I don't know what any of that has to do with religion, or the fact that homosexuality was decriminalized shortly after the fall of USSR, only to get re-criminalized after the orthodox church took over.
1896  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 31, 2013, 05:06:34 AM
So... The most intolerable religion right now on this planet in 2013 regarding gay rights and women's rights is the Christian religion? Got it.

Can you believe they let women drive cars and buy bitcoins in the USA and Russia? Incredible!
Yeah, I'm waiting for Rassah's response to all this.

Somehow I do believe he can put it into a rational and reasonable perspective.

....pretty good argument could be made for the exact opposite, that the MOST TOLERANT religions are the Christian ... or to put it more accurately, the Judeochristian cultures...

Obviously one is more intolerant than the other, but the main problem is that they are both intolerant, and thus neither should be involved with people who's job it is to kill other people. I mean, how little murder, misogynism, homophobia, and racism is OK, exactly?
1897  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin EU Convention 2013 (Amsterdam, Netherlands September 26th~28th) on: October 31, 2013, 05:03:50 AM
Quick question, when are the other videos available?

I am interested in this also. Smiley

Moe (anonymous) is like an elevator button. You have to keep pushing him and asking over and over to make him finish his work faster.
1898  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Holy Grail BOUNTY on: October 31, 2013, 05:02:22 AM
Wohoo! You made my day FT! Now if only I had some free time to install OT on my system and actually play around with it  Undecided
1899  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: October 31, 2013, 03:17:05 AM

Edd I noticed http://panperu.org/ is not on out Bitcoin100.org list of charities we donated to. Can you please update?
1900  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 30, 2013, 01:37:16 AM
For example: free will. The jury has been out on that one for ages, and they're still arguing about it.
Assuming it doesn't exist, when it comes to sexual reproduction we have no choice in the matter because we're just machines obeying our DNA programming.
Assuming it does exist, our free choices could legimately affect future generations.

Isn't our reproductive drive still controlled by what we find attractive? Thus, we seek out women with big boobs and big hips, and women seek out slim, muscular men? I don't think there's a lot of free will in what we find attractive, eve if cultural biases change.
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