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1941  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: On legality of Bitcoin - legal till banned or banned till legal on: November 06, 2018, 10:08:00 PM
I definitely think that in the majority of countries around the world, bitcoin is legal until some form of restriction gets put onto it by the government.

I'm pretty ignorant outside of common law countries, where that's a general truism. There are definitely places like Russia where it's unclear because things like "monetary substitutes" are prohibited, and no one knows exactly how Bitcoin is categorized. The Russian prosecutor general and other officials have actually stated that using Bitcoin is illegal, but it's never been brought before the courts.

That's the beauty of it. I think most governments realize that officially prohibiting cryptocurrency and trying to enforce it will only expose their impotence.
1942  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-11-06] Electric Bike Runs on Lightning Network on: November 06, 2018, 08:19:40 PM
Are you talking about Netflix? I mean they are really cheap. I dunno why someone would pay per episode instead of having a subscription. I mean 9 bucks are less than the transaction fees which bitcoin had during the Bullrun. But I would love to see Netflix accept cryptos.

Pay-per-view at a fraction of the cost sounds great to me, especially since TV/movie licensing means you have to use different services to watch different titles. I rarely watch TV. Maybe a few times a month when someone suggests a random movie or documentary (which often isn't on Netflix anyway). I do have a Netflix subscription, but it's a waste since I hardly ever use it. I only pay the subscription so it's there when I need it.

I definitely see a use case for ad-free video and music streaming.
1943  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [06/11/2018] Bull Call: Novogratz Says Bitcoin Will See Record Highs in 2019 on: November 06, 2018, 08:04:36 PM
Frankly speaking im tired with these so-called famous personalities price predictions.

We'll keep hearing from people like Mike Novogratz and Tom Lee because they are regular guests on the CNBC financial TV show circuit. I don't really think of them as "famous" -- more like talking heads. They get paid to talk about this stuff, and it's a chance for them to publicly hype their holdings.
1944  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ross Ulbrich access his server from library? on: November 05, 2018, 09:09:08 PM
Why didn't he access that from home?

He got caught because he's in a library. If he access it from home, cops would need a warant and he could just turn off his PC

I assume he used the library as an extra layer of privacy. If there were a vulnerability in TOR, or whatever else he was using to hide his location, administering the Silk Road from his home could have compromised his identity. Turning off his PC would accomplish nothing, since all activity on his home internet connection would be trafficked through his ISP -- who knew his identity. The library provided some level of plausible deniability, since so many people access the internet from there. It obviously wasn't good enough, though.
1945  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-11-05] Indian Teenager Threatens to Blow Up Miami Airport over Alleged Bit on: November 05, 2018, 08:29:06 PM
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He had reportedly purchased Bitcoins worth $1,000 but someone duped him, following which he lodged a complaint with the FBI, but did not get the desired response.

So the accused made several calls to the Miami airport and threatened to attack it. “I will come with AK-47, grenade, suicide belt and kill everyone,” the youth, whose identity was not disclosed, said in his calls.

If you're going to make these kind of threats, you probably shouldn't do it on VOIP that can be traced to your IP address. Better yet, don't make threats to international airports. The US government takes that pretty seriously post-9/11.

Hopefully this kid doesn't have to serve too much time over a hoax. I hear Indian prisons are quite bad...
1946  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Regulators Won't Approve Bitcoin ETF Anytime Soon on: November 05, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Bakkt has significantly more chances to come through with regulatory approval since they fall under the sight of the CFTC. Considering that the CFTC has let the futures markets go live last year, I'm sure they'll let Bakkt do its thing as well.

But the CFTC didn't really "let the futures markets go live." The exchanges self-certified without their permission. The CFTC would have had to amend their regulations to prevent that from happening. In this case, Bakkt needs affirmative approval from the CFTC.

My gut says you're right about ease of approval though, because that's how it went with LedgerX.

The only positive aspect of Bakkt is that futures are physically backed by the underlying asset, and not a gambling related instrument that's being offered by the CME & CBOE.

I'm guessing Bakkt will mostly be used for speculation, just like the CME & CBOE markets. If you look at physically delivered markets on Nymex or Comex, most traders close out positions before expiration.
1947  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-11-03]Most American Voters Consider Cryptos as Fiat Currency, Survey Shows on: November 04, 2018, 09:21:43 PM
As far as I know the Federal Election Committee (FEC) only prohibits contributions coming from foreign nationals and corporations but they are not strict with what kind of contributions you give to the candidate may it be an item or service as long as the value of what you are giving is within the limits the FEC has given to a particular candidate or party. The only thing I can think of when not allowing cryptocurrencies as donation is when the FEC thinks it is a threat on their current kinds of "prohibited donations", as long as the money is traceable with reference this shouldn't be an issue for their part.

It seems like the FEC is treating Bitcoin contributions like any other contribution -- not restricted like anonymous/cash contributions. That's surprising to me as I doubt the FEC is doing blockchain analysis to rule out prohibited fund sources like foreign nationals. In an audit scenario, checks and credit cards leave a much easier paper trail to analyze, especially since banks cooperate with federal regulators. That's why cash contributions are restricted like this:

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Cash Contributions
Contributions of cash (currency) which in the aggregate exceed $100 from one person are
prohibited. If a committee receives a cash contribution exceeding $100, it must promptly return
the excess amount to the contributor. If an anonymous cash contribution over $50 is received,
the amount in excess of $50 must be used for some purpose unrelated to federal elections.
11 CFR 110.4(c).
1948  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [02/11/2018] ‘Godfather of ETFs’: Regulators Won’t Approve Bitcoin ETF Anytime.. on: November 04, 2018, 09:06:00 PM
People should just forget about ETFs and the SEC, because they are just playing games with Bitcoiner`s emotions.

I rather think the SEC has slightly better things to do with its time than prick tease a bunch of impatient brats and then chortle and touch themselves as they flick through Reddit whining.

Indeed, it's not the SEC that is playing games. It's people like the Winklevoss brothers and VanEck, who were never realistic in their expectations, and encouraged pipe dreams among the community. Even today, VanEck says, "We are the closest we can be. It’s very clear to me America wants a bitcoin ETF and we are here to build it." Actually, it's not clear that America cares about a Bitcoin ETF at all, and by all appearances VanEck isn't close to getting approval.

It's taken multiple years to get ETFs for longstanding commodities approved. Nobody should be surprised if this drags out for decades, let alone years.
1949  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-11-2]US Man Faces up to 5 Years in Prison for ‘Unlicensed’ Bitcoin Sales. on: November 04, 2018, 08:33:02 PM
Whenever you are dealing on such a large scale and potentially evading tax and not reporting to the regulators you have the risk of going through this, and we have seen precedents of this as well. Just use your common sense here. I wonder though if $800,000 that he forfeited was all the profits he had or if there was more.

I imagine that represents disgorgement of profits. I don't think most of these cases even involve tax authorities -- tax evasion is a much smaller issue. It's more about millions of dollars being transmitted without complying with AML laws. His taxable profits are tiny compared to the amount of money he transmitted.

If you sell bitcoins to someone in amounts beyond $10,000 but structure the payments to avoid CTR reporting, you're liable to get charged for this. It's amazing to me that people keep doing this so egregiously when there are obviously undercover federal agents infiltrating Localbitcoins.
1950  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-11-03] Millionaire Will Build Blockchain Smart City in Nevada on: November 03, 2018, 08:35:59 PM
Funny how people like this throw around their futuristic plans but rarely seem to consider the day to day stuff. Is there enough water for something like this?

The article says it's near Reno, which isn't the driest of desert areas -- 24 inches of snow and 10 inches of rain per year. How near is not clear, though. Supposedly this company has "preliminary county support" for a new town built along the Truckee River, which may offer some irrigation possibilities. Higher volume irrigation to desert areas isn't impossible either -- consider Las Vegas. But it's also a sensitive issue because of the prolonged drought in Nevada and California.
1951  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-10] Princeton Research Claims China Motivated to “Kill” Bitcoin, ..... on: November 03, 2018, 08:16:18 PM
If executed well and with LOTS of money and/or hashrate, they could even design the attack in a way it is cheap or even yields them a profit. They only had to short enough Bitcoin in the right moment. However, as even in a dictatorship there are some legal and ethical rules involving the State's activities, I believe it could be difficult to hide the required short-selling activities, maybe they could create fake enterprises for that purpose.

If they succeeded in attacking Bitcoin, they could claim that they can shut down any cryptocurrency.

I still don't understand what a "successful attack" entails here, though. I don't see how the above establishes a lasting or permanent attack on Bitcoin. It just temporarily offsets the cost -- how effectively, we don't know.

And it requires the Chinese government to flood offshore exchanges distributed around the world with money -- some which are tightly regulated by their governments -- in order to short sell. Also, since so many exchanges don't offer margin, they would have to borrow massive amounts of bitcoins on the OTC market to short sell on those exchanges. I say, good luck to the Chinese government there! Cheesy

They'd be taking on immense counterparty risk. That the attack was state-sponsored by China would also probably be obvious in hindsight, which could strain relations with other governments. All for what? This would be a short term attack. They'd need to close shorts by buying back bitcoins -- that's not a sustainable position considering that maintaining the attack is quite expensive. I don't see how they can "shut down" anything.

I also think if the attack were sustained for long enough -- unlikely -- that SHA-256 miners could be bricked by a hard fork. How the market would react to that is anyone's guess, but if there is demand for the forked coin, China would have a difficult time claiming that they can shut down any cryptocurrency.

Governments would probably be wise not to show their powerlessness by their failure to shut down anything.
1952  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-11-2]US Man Faces up to 5 Years in Prison for ‘Unlicensed’ Bitcoin Sales. on: November 03, 2018, 07:39:11 PM
If it was only about taxes he'd get tax evasion charges. They're trying to put him in jail for selling Bitcoins in private which they are calling "money transmitting" even though Bitcoins aren't treated like money because according to the law there's no central government issuing them.

Government-issued currency isn't all that's regulated. The legal definition of "monetary instruments" includes "negotiable instruments, in bearer form or otherwise in such form that title thereto passes upon delivery." Bitcoin functions like a bearer instrument, and no one has successfully contested that in court.

It doesn't matter how much he was selling. If you sell a bitcoin to your friend for cash you can be arrested in this weird country.

The entire basis of enforcing this law in this case is how much he was selling:

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(5) Totaling more than $10,000;

(6)(i) On one calendar day; or

(ii) If for the purpose of evading the reporting requirements of §1010.340, on one or more days.

What undercover police often do is persuade the seller to structure multiple payments that aggregate to more than $10,000, but also avoid complying with AML reporting requirements. If the seller takes the bait, they've violated the Bank Secrecy Act.
1953  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Evaluation of Bitcoin as a store-of-value on: November 02, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
but to actually be a store. thats based on acquisition and creation cost

Could you elaborate on the theory that production cost is important here? I'm sympathetic to the labor theory of value, but I don't see how it applies to money.

Stores of value are essentially faith-based. Take gold, for instance. The reason it can sustain its value is because the market believes it's a store of value, hence why central banks hedge with it. Central banks don't have gold reserves because of its use in dentistry. If reduced to its actual utility in industry, the market would be tiny by comparison.

In this context, the subjective theory of value seems appropriate. "Value" is what anyone else is willing to pay. If no one is willing to pay the production cost, the price will inevitably fall, and unprofitable miners will be forced out of business. It's the same for Bitcoin as it is for gold -- this is from a few years back:

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Two of the three mining companies currently suspended from the Johannesburg Stock Exchange are going through bankruptcy proceedings. On the Australian Stock Exchange, 31 miners are suspended, of which at least 10 have either been liquidated or have entered so-called voluntary administration, during which a company is assessed for possible liquidation. There are 26 miners currently suspended from the Toronto Stock Exchange's NEX market, a junior exchange with minimal listing requirements.

One of those is Nevada-based Gryphon Gold Corp. In July, the cost increases plaguing the sector caught up with Gryphon, forcing the gold producer, led by industry veteran William Goodhard, to file for bankruptcy.

"Companies are folding all around," said Will Friesen, financial controller at Vancouver-based Sierra Madre Developments Inc. He said Sierra Madre raised cash in March but will seek more by the end of the year. If it can't raise new funds, the firm could lose its claims on the property it is mining.

"And we are one of the lucky ones," Mr. Friesen said.

If price falls low enough for long enough, bankrupt Bitcoin miners will fold just like bankrupt gold miners. At least with Bitcoin, unprofitable miners can be squeezed out of the market, and then difficulty can reset to allow lower mining costs.
1954  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-30]What will Bitcoin be Worth in 5-10 Years Time on: November 02, 2018, 06:11:42 AM
I wouldn't put everything on LN -- it's a different protocol with a different security model. You need to keep private keys online. Its usability can't compete with Bitcoin. Etc.

I also don't think there's evidence that high fees reduce demand for Bitcoin. If anything, there is a correlation between rising fees and rising price. I don't buy the argument that $10-$20 fees matter. In fact, I believe on-chain fees will be much higher than that in the future.

I see higher fees as a good thing, not a bad thing. In the future, there will be no block subsidy. If users won't pay what Bitcoin's security costs, there is little incentive for miners to honestly secure the blockchain. This need is much more important than the need for users to have cheap fees.
LN is the most important development that will complement Bitcoin in order to have it function as a currency, which as time goes by, becomes more expensive on-chain as the reward dependence on fees picks up pace.

LN is one of many possible complements. Altcoins, sidechains, and other offchain protocols/methods can offer other alternatives. The point is that the fee market is well equipped to deal with this problem. Too much demand per block = fees rise too high = users/services pushed to economize their transactions, use other protocols, etc. Then fees drop, although we should expect them to trend upwards over time given limited block space and growing demand. I just see no reason why we wouldn't see $10-$20 fees in the future. It's going to happen eventually. And we'll have plenty of options to avoid them too, for day-to-day transactions. If you don't need Bitcoin's level of security, other options are likely fine. The same goes for Lightning: It can't provide the same security guarantees that Bitcoin can.

Who are the users that are going to pay for the lack of block rewards? It won't be the mass, because they won't be bothering with Bitcoin anymore if there isn't anything else to use, which is why LN is so important.

Then perhaps price should fall, miners shut down and difficulty adjusts downwards. Less users, less fees, less security. It's all already built into the design.

People right now 'don't mind' spending $10-$20 on fees because there is a speculative incentive that makes it worthwhile to cough up these fees. What incentive is there when there is no severe volatility and upwards potential left anymore?

Security via honest mining. That was the design.
1955  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-30]What will Bitcoin be Worth in 5-10 Years Time on: November 01, 2018, 09:16:27 PM
I'm not sure though what "scale" you mean here, or maybe you are talking about mass adoption? But yeah, last year's madness was different, it was overbought and we all know that later it will burst.
Scale as in scaling.

Bitcoin has to be able to process use on-chain in a much better way in order to prevent network congestion. SegWit isn't cutting it, and won't be able to gain much more adoption with nearly half of the ecosystem not upgrading.

I don't think we should expect SegWit to ever top 60% support, and from where we are today, SegWit usage is falling down back to 35% which isn't that much of a positive indicator to be honest.

That's how any backward compatible soft fork change will work. They're voluntary upgrades that no one is forced to use. We have to expect that some users and services will continue with the status quo. That's why we shouldn't put all the emphasis on Schnorr signatures or MAST or RSK or Lightning, either. I think people should brace themselves for higher fees, period.

Bitcoin won't be able to cope with another bull run without falling short. It may not be as bad as it was last year, but $10-$20 fees are not eliminated for good, that's the whole point. In other words, it all comes down to LN.

I wouldn't put everything on LN -- it's a different protocol with a different security model. You need to keep private keys online. Its usability can't compete with Bitcoin. Etc.

I also don't think there's evidence that high fees reduce demand for Bitcoin. If anything, there is a correlation between rising fees and rising price. I don't buy the argument that $10-$20 fees matter. In fact, I believe on-chain fees will be much higher than that in the future.

I see higher fees as a good thing, not a bad thing. In the future, there will be no block subsidy. If users won't pay what Bitcoin's security costs, there is little incentive for miners to honestly secure the blockchain. This need is much more important than the need for users to have cheap fees.
1956  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-29] Bitcoin Exchange Bitstamp Confirms Sale to Gaming Group NXC on: November 01, 2018, 08:59:08 PM
Bitstamp always seemed to me a solid exchange and with great organization. Their site is one of the best and most fluid. I hope they continue to operate independently. I also hope that this purchase has not occurred due to cash flow problems since it is a giant in the market and many use the price of it as a reference.

I think Nejc Kodrič and other early investors are just making a smart exit. This is what angel investment is all about. Kodrič still owns a piece and will continue running operations, which sounds promising.

I have been using Bitstamp since 2013 and they never did anything to piss me off, or to make me lose confidence in their functioning as exchange. It has also been one of the very few exchanges people use as benchmark exchange in terms of pricing. I'm not into spot trading anymore, but I still use Bitstamp as my fiat entry point.

I was always a bit put off by the unexplained account closures and reportedly overly invasive KYC. I would never put significant volume through Bitstamp for those reasons.
1957  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-30]What will Bitcoin be Worth in 5-10 Years Time on: November 01, 2018, 01:19:16 AM
Tim Draper has always been a likable character, and I'm glad he doesn't burn himself on short term predictions like other perma bulls tend to do, which by now has done more harm than good for their reputation.

The better question is whether or not Bitcoin can scale enough to represent such valuations. Bitcoin last year by far wasn't worth $20,000 even though the price said otherwise, and we know what happened afterwards.

People who've been introduced to Bitcoin have a bad taste in their mouth, not only because of how many of them are burned, but the user experience was horrible, which might even be the worst part.

What do you mean by "scale?" It's not something that can be quantified into the price. If demand outpaces scaling optimizations, and usability of off-chain protocols like Lightning lag behind, transaction fees will just rise. Bitcoin doesn't need to be cheap to transact with -- in fact, its hash rate suggests it shouldn't be. And it also doesn't need to scale to include all the world's transactions.

People have been complaining about Bitcoin's user experience from the get-go. Nothing new there.
1958  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: 60% of US Voters Want Cryptocurrency Political Donations to Be Legal on: October 31, 2018, 11:54:19 PM
Clovr recently surveyed 1,023 registered U.S. voters to learn how the American public views the possibility of political candidates accepting cryptocurrency donations for campaign financing. A majority of 60 percent said cryptocurrency donations should be treated the same as fiat, with only 21 percent disagreeing.

What do people think about this? Do you think this is a good representation of the majority of U.S. voters? Or is 1,000 or so people just not enough?

That's more than I expected. It's not a huge sample, but it gives a confidence interval of +/-3% at a probability of 95%. Chances are pretty high that the results are in the realm of accurate.

It seems tricky to me from a regulatory perspective because of the prohibitions against large anonymous or cash contributions. It's not totally clear what cryptocurrency is in terms of FEC, FPPC, etc. regulations.
1959  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-31] Bitcoin Trader Faces Five Years in US Jail for Unlicensed Money Tra on: October 31, 2018, 11:40:30 PM
I think it's a very high sentence, can not he pay bail? I do not know the laws of the USA, that's why I'm asking.

This is the federal law:
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Whoever knowingly conducts, controls, manages, supervises, directs, or owns all or part of an unlicensed money transmitting business, shall be fined in accordance with this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

You need to hold a license in all the states you operate to make a business of money transmission. Money laundering can carry a twenty-year penalty. I imagine he won't serve the maximum sentence since he plead guilty. Maybe a couple years in prison.

You'd have to be stupid, incapable of processing information or nuts to be doing that type of thing in the USA in this day and age. Sucks for him but what on Earth did he expect would happen?

People are reckless at that age. He's basically a kid. Undecided

He'll grow up fast in prison, I'm sure.
1960  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am a novice trying to understand why and how Bitcoin works? on: October 31, 2018, 07:42:41 AM
I am a complete novice and trying to understand Bitcoin's functionality. I really don't understand how and why there is such a price appreciation since 2009 till now?

Bitcoin has a very small monetary supply; only 21 million BTC will ever be created. Because the supply is limited, increased demand -- from adoption, speculation about future adoption, etc. -- drives the price up.

I often hear where everyone talks about its security but then the details of the people are already with exchanges and exchanges are getting hacked at times and people are losing their digital currency so then how it is safe and anonymous.

There are different kinds of security. Bitcoin is "secured" by an incredible amount of computing power, to the point that most people consider its ledger immutable and its payments irreversible.

Exchanges are trusted third parties that hold custody of bitcoins on behalf of customers. When exchanges get hacked, that's a matter of their own faulty security practices. It has nothing to do with Bitcoin's security.

In many posts and discussion threads, I have read where some say Government will stop the digital currency and some say Government will adopt it. What are the possible exact reasons for the same?

Some small governments have banned cryptocurrencies. Most are trying to regulate them, and some (like Japan and Malta) are embracing them. I think that over time, most governments will realize the need to embrace cryptocurrencies for the sake of their country's economic growth and fiscal wellbeing.

What is the store of value of Bitcoin apart from the medium of exchange?

Fiat currencies -- dollars, euros, etc. -- can be freely devalued by governments and central banks. This can't happen with Bitcoin because its supply is enforced by decentralized software protocol. Because of its predictable supply and scarcity, Bitcoin is better than most other currencies or commodities at being "money."
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