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1981  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BAKKT big deal? on: October 23, 2018, 08:35:00 PM
i think Bakkt is made bigger in people's head that it really is. it may end up being a big thing eventually but at this point with the information that we have gained so far from this project we can not decide on it. so for now everything that we hear is mostly hype about it.

Nah, it is a pretty big deal, but for the wrong reasons. We will just have another big centralized company, jumping into this scene and they will destroy anonymity even further, because all the people using this service will be identified with strict KYC/AML requirements. 

You not going to trade/buy bitcoins anonymously, because these platforms cannot exist without the US enforcing these KYC/AML regulations. So, they allow this with a lot of conditions and this is where it all goes pear shaped.  Angry

I'm okay with that. We have to expect regulated markets to develop if Bitcoin adoption continues on its current trajectory. If there is demand from traditional and institutional investors, the big guys like the ICE and CME Group are going to want to profit from that. There's no way around it.

If you want to trade without KYC/AML, you can stick to decentralized, P2P and offshore exchanges. I don't think Wall Street is that interested in those. Wink
1982  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Can't delete blockchain.com (ex .info) account? on: October 23, 2018, 08:18:56 PM
Right as of now, I have a wallet on blockchain.com with some of my addresses. I don't want to transfer out everything to new wallets, so I looked how to clean delete my account from there.. but there isn't any way?

Is this even legal following the recent GDP Regulation?

Quote from https://eugdpr.org/the-regulation/

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Right to be Forgotten
Also known as Data Erasure, the right to be forgotten entitles the data subject to have the data controller erase his/her personal data, cease further dissemination of the data, and potentially have third parties halt processing of the data. The conditions for erasure, as outlined in article 17, include the data no longer being relevant to original purposes for processing, or a data subject withdrawing consent. It should also be noted that this right requires controllers to compare the subjects’ rights to “the public interest in the availability of the data” when considering such requests.

Does this mean blockchain.com isn't GDPR compliant?

That's an interesting question. Does a Bitcoin wallet actually contain your personal data? I'm not so sure. It contains keys and hashes and transaction history -- but are those yours? The keys were derived using an RNG, deterministic seed, etc. so I'm not sure it's personal data. The transaction history is tied to the addresses in the wallet, thus derived from the blockchain, not you personally.

Even if we could consider a wallet as personal data under the GDPR, how would blockchain.com verify that you're the data subject? You set up the wallet anonymously, right? I don't think there's any way to verify that you have the right to withdraw consent.
1983  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cold wallets on: October 23, 2018, 02:53:42 AM
I want to hold my crypro in cold wallet. Is there any other cold wallet like Ledger? Or Ledger is the best one?

Ledger is a hardware wallet, which I don't think of as cold storage. Cold storage implies a device that never connects to the internet. Hardware wallets are intended to shield your private keys from your [potentially compromised] online device, but there are multiple known attack vectors -- firmware vulnerabilities, supply chain attacks, side channel attacks, etc.

HeRetiK's post breaks down Trezor vs. Ledger pretty well, if that's what you're looking for.

My cold storage is either on encrypted wallet.dats on offline storage mediums or in an air-gapped computer that's never been connected to the internet. Paper wallets (generated offline) are another option.
1984  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: On legality of Bitcoin - legal till banned or banned till legal on: October 23, 2018, 02:33:56 AM
There's a pretty good Wikipedia entry that lists the legal status by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country_or_territory

Its status is certainly murky in some places, though. The Russian Prosecutor General once stated that using Bitcoin was illegal because "money substitutes" were prohibited under Russian law. Two years later, the national tax authority said bitcoins were "not illegal." Last year, the Deputy Finance Minister said it's "probably illegal" to accept cryptocurrency payments. Cheesy
1985  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-21] Ephrata, Washington Imposes Year-Long Ban on New Cryptocurrency Min on: October 22, 2018, 09:19:44 PM
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some inconveniences for the residents, with some reportedly suffering a lack of electricity due to the operation of the high energy-consuming cooling equipment by the local crypto miners.
This is the main reason causing the suspension of the new mining activity. The hidden reason is to regulate this business and maybe impose higher electricity rates.

I don't think it's "hidden" at all. This is happening across the northern US and Canada, and local governments have been pretty upfront about the problem: Foreign mining businesses are setting up in town and taking far more than excess (unused) energy. As a result, they're driving up rates for residents and threatening the area with blackouts.

It should be no surprise if cities and utility districts answer to their residents rather than to foreign businesses threatening the local electricity grid for profit. Either residents need to pay for the privilege of allowing miners into town (by paying higher residential rates and/or lowering usage), or the miners need to pay for the privilege. Which would you prefer if you lived there?

I'm all for miners soaking up excess capacity, but if they're driving up electricity rates, they should pay the difference. Not residents.
1986  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's with all the comparison between blockchain and banks? on: October 22, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
I get it. Blockchain technology is a great invention and it's definitely a technological breakthrough. But do we really have to pit it against the banks and he traditional banking system? Couldn't those two live in peace without people having to choose one over the other?

The comparison is made because Bitcoin was intended to remove the need for trusted intermediaries -- like banks. That's where the saying "Be your own bank" comes from.

In actuality, I think the two will live in peace. I don't expect Bitcoin to facilitate the collapse of banking. I think it's just an alternative form of money that will become increasingly prevalent.

In fact, I expect retail banks to eventually offer Bitcoin deposits -- even though that would defeat the whole purpose. Wink
1987  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Holding unregulated crypto asset may attract punishment in India on: October 22, 2018, 06:23:46 PM
The most interesting aspect of these discussions is that we westerners think we know everything (because everything we read is true, duhh) while I never see anyone from India or China actually explain the situation.

It may be that it's heavily being discussed in their native language on this forum, but it would be a welcome change for once to have some valuable input on these subjects from people who actually live there.

The OP is apparently from India and was asking for our opinions...

I doubt there's much to explain as the law hasn't been amended and there are few official statements in the media. The government is apparently waiting for an RBI report on digital currencies to be released before doing anything.
1988  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi's original idea... on: October 22, 2018, 05:59:20 PM
eventually, this should discourage mining and difficulty should adjust downwards as miners shut down. the cost of mining would therefore drop as well. that's why it doesn't make much sense to focus on the current cost of mining: it adjusts upwards and downwards based on speculation and profitability.

Except the price has done nothing but go down during 2018, and the mining difficulty has increased several fold. There seems to be very little correlation between the two, at least this year. If anything its been an inverse correlation.

That's because of miner speculation. Even in the face of falling price, miners are willing to bring new hardware online. Ultimately, this won't always be true if the long term price trend reverses. In late 2014 or early 2015, when Bitcoin was in a long term correction, the hash rate went sideways. If the market stayed bearish for longer, it probably would have started dropping. Eventually, in a falling market, miners will run out of capital to burn and won't be able to continue mining unprofitably.
1989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi's original idea... on: October 21, 2018, 10:21:54 PM
So in conclusion you can say Satoshi indeed solve the trust issue of a centralized monetary system and although today Bitcoin is the most widely used cryptocurrency that allows wealth transfer in a decentralized way it also lack of the main features purposes that is to accomplish small casual transactions with lower costs.

So in my personal point of view I see Satoshi's first attempt to solve the centralized trust issue with a decentralized ledger called now blockchain but then for micropayments we found it's vulnerabilities and we call the scaling issues. So my hope is, in the 10th anniversary of Bitcoin we can retake his original idea and now with the research and advance of the decentralized systems we can found a better way to accomplish it's main idea.

That's how it goes -- decentralization has costs. The linear scaling model increasingly disincentivizes micro-payments as demand for block space rises. This is necessary because of Bitcoin's limited supply: Eventually fees, rather than block subsidy, need to incentivize miners.

The best solution seems to be offloading transactions onto exponentially scaling platforms that retain trustlessness. The Lightning Network is exciting in this respect, but it definitely has some drawbacks vs. the Bitcoin protocol. (e.g. you need to keep your private keys online)
1990  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Holding unregulated crypto asset may attract punishment in India on: October 21, 2018, 10:03:27 PM
This step is not very practical and there are millions of crypto users in India. Are they going to jail all of them? If the government goes ahead with something like this, then they will face a lot of outcry from the public as well.

I too believe that the step is not practical in any way, but it is still at a drafting stage and nothing has been finalized yet! But there may be no imprisonment involved. They will probably suggest for hefty fines and confiscation of unregulated assets, nothing more!

Maybe that's the end goal. Thinking about cryptocurrency confiscation reminds me of the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, where private possession of gold was outlawed and US gold investors were forced to sell it to the Treasury.

Not a bad way to build national Bitcoin/cryptocurrency reserves, if you think about it.
1991  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Better Understanding of Bitcoin Maximalists Needed on: October 20, 2018, 09:40:31 PM
If you take the position that "all altcoins are scams" then you're probably a Bitcoin maximalist. It's basically just a term used by altcoiners to describe people like that.
1992  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would bitcoin deal with a sudden drop in hashrate? on: October 19, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
firstly lower hash rate does not mean slower blocks

here are the reasons

1. the 20+ pools are all running their own races. with their own hashrate. if 10 pools disappeared there are still 10 pools running.

2. imagine it like a 100metre race, 20 runners. they all average 10 seconds but only 1 is declared the winner. if you shoot 10 runners.. the remaining 10 runners dont suddenly race at a 20 second average. the 100m is still completed in the same 10 second average.

That's incorrect. If hash rate drops in half, then on average, block times will double. A reduced hash rate = lower chances of finding blocks. This increases block times, which increases the time before the next difficulty adjustment.

This is why the difficulty adjustment algorithm exists at all -- to retarget block time to 10 minutes when increases or decreases in hash rate change the average block time.

Think about it. What you're saying means that if 99.9% of miners shut down, that the 0.01% hash power left can still crank out blocks every 10 minutes. Cheesy

first of all. your final sentance proves you dont understand how things work. ven though its obvious u exagerated such numbers. in any context your point would be wrong

No, it proves you don't understand how things work. You literally said "if you shoot 10 runners.. the remaining 10 runners dont suddenly race at a 20 second average. the 100m is still completed in the same 10 second average." That's the same exact thing!

You're saying that if hash rate drops in half sans difficulty adjustment, that block time will remain unchanged. That's absurd and shows a complete lack of understanding of how difficulty works.

Why is there a difficulty adjustment algorithm that retargets block time to 10 minutes? According to you, block time is always magically 10 minutes, regardless of hash power or difficulty. Roll Eyes

so that in a scenario of like i mentioned before a 100m race of initially 20 runners, now becomes 10 runners and all 10 runners still average 10 seconds but only one can be declared the winner
this means if there were over 100 races per day the racers actually double their chances of winning becuase there is less competition fighting over who gets to cross the finish line first

That's only relative to other miners. You're not accounting for the actual likelihood of blocks being mined.

If difficulty remains the same and computing power drops in half, the chances that any block will be found across the network will drop in half. It doesn't matter if there is "less competition" because difficulty hasn't dropped at all. It hasn't become any easier to find blocks, but half the miners are gone.
1993  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Drawback of all new cryptocoins!Confusion? on: October 19, 2018, 06:59:27 PM
More coins is actually a good thing because it creates competition and helps bitcoin improve on its features.  Can there be too many companies? Can there be too many restaurants? In the end it will be survival of the fittest and consumers will choose what coin they like to use. 

Bitcoin doesn't really compete with altcoins. In fact, I think the relationship is quite symbiotic.

You'll notice that any time Bitcoin crashes, altcoins crash harder. This is because market confidence in Bitcoin is of fundamental importance for altcoins. Bitcoin's reliability is a boon for alts; it's what encourages people to take risks in the altcoin market. If the market lost all faith in Bitcoin, altcoins would surely follow.

At the same time, the existence of altcoin markets draws BTC supply to the altcoin markets (rather than BTC/fiat markets). By lowering available supply on the BTC/fiat markets, the price of BTC is driven higher. This is why altcoins are generally good for Bitcoin.
1994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are we still "Early Adopters"? on: October 19, 2018, 06:48:22 PM
I'm glad to know your opinions about that...

Try to image 10 years from now...It will be comparable with 2009 "early adopters"?

Yes, more or less. If Bitcoin follows the trajectory of other widely adopted technologies -- like televisions and cell phones -- then it's still very early. At most, 5-10% of people in developed countries own cryptocurrency, and the numbers are far lower in undeveloped countries. We still have a long way to go.
1995  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: tether is allowed to trade on exchanges at various prices on: October 18, 2018, 07:29:37 PM
Anyone know why tether is allowed to trade on exchanges at various prices? If it's pegged to the dollar, shouldn't it always trade at $1? Is it because the value changes depending on what currency it's being traded with?

It seems like any exchange that has USD should value USDT at $1USD

Only Tether and Bitfinex will redeem USDT for USD. That's where it's worth $1. All the other exchanges just allow you to trade with it, which means that it can -- and does -- fluctuate above and below $1.

That depends which way the money leaves. People selling USDT does not equate people leaving crypto for good. Currently the majority seems to flow towards BTC, rather than USD:

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/#markets

That's the interesting thing about this conundrum. Normally, we think of "FUD" as having a negative effect on price. With Tether FUD, it can drive cryptocurrency prices up as people exit back to BTC.
1996  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would bitcoin deal with a sudden drop in hashrate? on: October 18, 2018, 06:12:46 PM
firstly lower hash rate does not mean slower blocks

here are the reasons

1. the 20+ pools are all running their own races. with their own hashrate. if 10 pools disappeared there are still 10 pools running.

2. imagine it like a 100metre race, 20 runners. they all average 10 seconds but only 1 is declared the winner. if you shoot 10 runners.. the remaining 10 runners dont suddenly race at a 20 second average. the 100m is still completed in the same 10 second average.

That's incorrect. If hash rate drops in half, then on average, block times will double. A reduced hash rate = lower chances of finding blocks. This increases block times, which increases the time before the next difficulty adjustment.

This is why the difficulty adjustment algorithm exists at all -- to retarget block time to 10 minutes when increases or decreases in hash rate change the average block time.

Think about it. What you're saying means that if 99.9% of miners shut down, that the 0.01% hash power left can still crank out blocks every 10 minutes. Cheesy
1997  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-15] Circle's sometimes head-scratching deals take shape on: October 18, 2018, 05:49:21 PM
If they do have big plans for Polo, as figmentofmyass alluded to, it's still baffling why they would buy something and let it fall apart while they move other strategic pieces into position, rather than just building something from scratch to coincide with the rest of the plan coming together.

How did they let it fall apart? Poloniex had already lost the vast majority of its volume by summer/fall of last year. It was a ghost town. I don't think it's declined significantly since Circle took over. They just haven't, well, done anything with it yet.

The timing does seem off. Maybe they ran into regulatory roadblocks. Maybe they just timed things badly and/or overpaid because they were caught up in the hype last year like everyone else. I do think that launching a totally unknown exchange seems difficult in this environment -- it's a really saturated market. I also wonder how valuable Poloniex's database might be for launching new products.
1998  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 99 Percent of Cryptocurrencies are Worth Zero? What the hell? on: October 17, 2018, 04:36:43 PM
Though I hugely disagree with most of what Roubini is saying, I sort of agree about 99 percent of Cryptocurrencies being useless, though probably 95% would probably be a better number. It's just a combination of scams and legitimate projects that really just doesn't need decentralization and tokenization, that are most likely bound to fail.

I view things differently, largely because of what I learned from Satoshi years ago. He once said:

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But if there were nothing in the world with intrinsic value that could be used as money, only scarce but no intrinsic value, I think people would still take up something.

You say that 95% of cryptocurrencies are useless. Why does that really matter, and what does that have to do with market value?

The fundamental value of money -- including Bitcoin -- comes from its network, not its "use cases." People can use seashells as money (and they have). What use do seashells have? They're completely useless, and it doesn't even matter because they're scarce and transferrable. That's the beauty of Metcalfe's Law.

Too many people are stuck in an old world mentality -- they say "money must be physically backed, otherwise it must be backed by usefulness." That's a bunch of nonsense that nobody could possibly prove, and history is awash with examples that prove otherwise. The best money is actually useless because it makes supply more predictable. Carlton Banks made a great point about this once:

This is a good reason why gold and silver are somewhat losing their currency: they finally have a practical/material use in the modern industrial world. Before this era, gold and silver did have small scale use in things like teeth fillings or cutlery sets, but the bullion value was always well recognised (hence the "maid stole the silverware" meme).

Objects used as money without alternative purposes are the best money, it makes the money supply more stable (and hence predictions about the size of the money supply will be more accurate). You never have to worry about someone using Bitcoin to catalyse a chemical reaction, or to wipe their ass with.

If you believe that sound money is decentralized, then you ought to value what the market says -- not personal opinions about what's "backing" cryptocurrencies. The people that say "altcoins are scams, they're going to zero" are employing the same logic that says "Bitcoin is a scam, it's going to zero."

That's why I always smile when I see people get worked up over how "useless" altcoins/tokens are. They remind me so much of Bitcoin skeptics.
1999  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: October 17, 2018, 04:01:45 PM
Dispite the recent rummors about Bitfinex, the exchange reopned fiat deposits

https://coincodex.com/article/2494/bitfinex-re-opens-fiat-currency-deposits-with-new-system/

There's still a $300 difference between Bitfinex and the other exchanges. New deposit system or not, it seems like faith in Bitfinex hasn't been entirely renewed.

And deposits aren't the only issue. Bitfinex said yesterday that fiat withdrawals were operating "without the slightest interference" but people are complaining across social media about missing bank transfers. Supposedly, they're working through a backlog.

If fiat withdrawals start flowing again, prices should return to normal.
2000  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchanges or wallets as a means of storing BTC? on: October 17, 2018, 03:52:09 PM
"But where are you keeping those bitcoins?

On Bitcoin exchanges like Binance, Bitfinex or hosted Bitcoin wallets such as Coinbase or CEX?

If that’s your answer, then you are putting the ownership of your bitcoins under serious risk!!"

Are there any safe exchanges? If not, which wallet do you personally recommend?

There's no "safe" exchanges because they're trusted 3rd parties. They could get hacked or run off with your funds at any time.

I use Electrum for day-to-day transactions. It's lightweight and easy-to-use, but keeps you in control of your private keys. It's also easy to sign transactions offline with Electrum, giving you an extra layer of security by not keeping keys online.

It is always better to have total control over your private keys -  thus storing your crypto off exchange.

BUT -  I'd trust a place like Coinbase with some.   Not all,  but some.  It is a fully regulated company.  I have no doubts it would be safe.      But as they say, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Coinbase is probably safe from being shut down by the US government, but they're definitely not safe from being hacked.

When I use exchanges, I deposit funds, trade, and then immediately withdraw funds. I don't "store" funds on exchanges.
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