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201  Other / Meta / Re: Merit system causes more SPAM not less on: September 18, 2018, 11:45:53 PM

What's wrong with a man having a lot of bounty reports in history? If he writes some useful post that you like, you still won't let him merit because there are a lot of bounty reports in his message history?

I'm free to use my merits in any damn way I feel like... yougottaproblemwiththat?

No. I was just wondering why you had such a position on this. I agree that everyone uses merit as he wants.

Since you asked nicely this go-around, the people here with a lot of bounty reports in their post history tend to see the forum as a job - a place where they do their assigned tasks and get rewarded with currency - whereas those of us without bounty reports see the forum as a place to converse with like-minded weirdos individuals and, basically, have some fun. If the bounty report types have to write a certain number of posts per week then they will likely see those posts as work; conversely, I write as many posts as I feel like and do it for entertainment or education value.

It really is as simple as that.
202  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: September 18, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
...Still, there was this post by a hero member:

yes, you're right. bounty managers need to extract them. they should be treated honestly. I'm following this carefully. burglars should report to bounty manager.

Does google translate ever work right?!?

Yeah, was gonna say. Go onto their third page of posts. Huge gap from December 28, 2015 to May 07, 2018.

I didn't bother checking the post history because I assumed the 500 merits were the default amount for hero based on the crappy English, but now that I've done so I have to agree that this account has almost certainly been sold. Let loose the DT hounds!



Damn, I just lost an hour of my working time reading trough this topic and laughing as quit as possible. ...

Yep, this is my favorite thread to check first thing in the morning!

EDIT - kennen1113 reported for being off-topic, but in the meantime I found this saucy little post here in meta:

The New profile Rank Update system is very Good for the Future of this forum. it will clean the spam post. When I heard this news I was despondent of this. In any case, in the event that you all think and see the focuses from flying creatures see. Its very encouraging. By and by I am expressing gratitude toward to theymos for this upgrade. I trust this isn't beta form , I desire to make it stable.
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See the focuses from flying creatures see? I'll smoke whatever he's smoking!?!


203  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 18, 2018, 10:47:54 AM
...please make sure their post history is not filled with 1-2 line replies in spam megathreads (or bounty reports, of course).
With due respect, i think if the query/question can be answered in few words then it is good to go. Not all people who visited this forum is gifted to do a Pharmacist act, answer a single question with a poem.  Smiley   

I guess you don't have much practice engaging in actual discussions on here since you totally ignored the clause, "in spam megathreads (or bounty reports, of course)."

Looking at your post history, the last 4 show some sign of human intelligence as you deal with being demoted back to newbie, but prior to that is a 10 day gap then a post in a spam megathread - #1387 in "Investment in ICO" - and then about a 40 minute gap to post #371 in "Crypto Currency is the fastest way to get rich ?" then a 50 minute gap to post #1339 in "Is the world ready for cryptocurrency" etc. and so on. Just basically a shitshow of spam megathread shitposting, really.



....I was not given any gratitude with merit for meaningful post I wrote...

And looking at your post history, the last 4 are whining about being a newbie again, while the 6 prior to that are bounty reports, and the other 15 are useless ramblings in spam megathreads...



It seems most people think that bounty tasks are spam and are not worth as a marketing campaing for the cryptoprojects. If this is the case, why keep accepting it on this forum? ...

Technically off topic, but I just mentioned elsewhere that I actually checked out Chip Mixer precisely because of the credibility and quality of people promoting it. The service is not something I am likely to need, but i will surely remember it in the future and with a positive connotation. That's 90% of marketing right there.


And an honorable mention to krishnapramod for nailing a plagiarizer while I was asleep!
204  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: September 17, 2018, 10:29:31 PM
No worries noobs... you'll be fine as long as you have good words...

Delivering the goods as usual!

I really thought I would find a bonanza of shitposts in meta today that were worthy of inclusion here, with all the newly-demoted newbies whining about "muh marits," but pickings have been surprisingly slim. Still, there was this post by a hero member:

yes, you're right. bounty managers need to extract them. they should be treated honestly. I'm following this carefully. burglars should report to bounty manager.

Does google translate ever work right?!?

205  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 07:33:08 PM
...I've personally found new gems in threads such as "which altcoin is the best buy right now", so I'm probably more lenient than most towards these large, generic threads. I've also posted there myself. Their posts seemed "personal" to me, not a generic bot attempting to gain more posts.
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If you have the time/patience to sort through all the chaff to find people actually having a discussion in those spam megathreads then I can't argue with giving those people merit.

My primary concern is that one mindless shitposter spamming for bounty can churn out dozens of posts per day, and if enough of them are "accidentally" merited the whole spam problem starts up again.

Although suchmoon makes a good point that a jr. member with high activity/post count and just 1 or 2 merits will, indeed, stick out like a sore thumb now. Much more so than when there were a near-infinite number of newbies AND jr. members with 0 merit.
206  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
But couldn't there have been some form of notification or a heads-up of some sort? It seems as though this was just sprung up on us.  Or is it just me?

What would you have done differently to prepare for the change, I wonder?

207  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 02:28:13 PM

Good point. But doesn't that remove the liberty of the merit sources (which the admins chosen) to give merits base from their own judgement or criteria?
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This makes no sense whatsoever, but since you exercised the poor judgment to wander into this thread in the first place despite a post history that even a mother couldn't love...

Post #349 in "Germany recognized the bitcoin" [sic]:

Germany recognizing bitcoin would give a big impact. The country is known to produce good quality of products that is recognized in the world market and a a market player recognizing bitcoin would be big.

Hope there's a link or source for this claim though.

Post #898 in "Factors that affect the value of bitcoin":

FUD's plays a big factor. These could scare away possible investors and the current ones tend to sell their coins/tokens to "avoid further loss", thus making overflowing amount of supply in the market.


Etc.

208  Other / Meta / Re: Why my rank back to NEWBIE...? on: September 17, 2018, 02:09:13 PM

Do you even read the topic of that post so you understand why I post that comment?
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Indeed I did, as well as several other of your posts in your history.
209  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 01:29:38 PM
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My opinion is that quality is important, but that the merit sources are to strict for some non-native speakers. Most expect lengthy posts in fluent English, related to Bitcoin. In my view, this leaves an important group of non-native, less eloquent, visitors who will never be able to gather any merits. These members do not deserve to become Legendary members, but I don't think that jr. membership is overrating their contributions. They are ensuring I have new posts to read when I come online, trying to contribute to the best of their abilities.
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Thanks for dropping in and engaging the discussion in a reasonable manner. I wasn't picking on you, per se, when I used your awarding crocus a merit as an example, it was just convenient and poignant.

However, let me explain my rationale for the warning in this thread: just consider the mindset of a person who mainly posts in spam megathreads - that is, those threads that drone on for dozens to hundreds of pages on subjects which themselves aren't even original. Such a person is not really interested in having a discussion (like this one) rather, they are merely trying to increase their post count, and likely for a signature or bounty campaign.

I don't have a problem with sig campaigns. In fact, I checked out chip mixer specifically because of the quality of people involved in its campaign. But that sword cuts both ways, and I will never consider ingotcoin or eloncity or privcy because of the massive number of shitposts their campaign participants generate.

Oh, and hardly any of my posts are on bitcoin: my primary interest is altcoin mining.
210  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: September 17, 2018, 01:01:42 PM

Let the thousands of metrit posts begin.....




BTW - this shitposter has 1100 posts and 0 metrit (0 merit too)

Holy cannolis, I was dying laughing for a good couple of minutes there! "i post so much post" - yes you do, friend... yes you do.

P.S. - He's made at least 4 posts begging for merit but can't seem to decide how to spell the word: metrit, metric and merit, so far.

EDIT - Bam! Nailed for plagiarism, too!

vvvv
211  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
...some of these posts are just bloated messes like this one. ...

And not a single punctuation mark was to be found...  Tongue

Welp, I waded into the mess with Delphinus on theymos' thread after seeing LoyceV linked to this one, so the argument has come... wait for it... full circle!  <rimshot!>


EDIT: I have no idea why I thought full circle was funny... Maybe that the arguments are going in circles without getting anywhere. Case in point:

Well, there are some people, like me for example, which are trying to contribute to the forum as per our knowledge, surely I'm not an expert of anything but whatever I have learned, I try to reply based on that.

Till now, I have joined only one airdrop in which no report posting was necessary. No crap in my post history. I seriously ask you, where should I post and what should I post which will be noticed by seniors and maybe they'll reward me with merits?

I seriously want to get at least 10 merits so that I could become a member in this forum and I'm ready to work hard for those merits. Just need some guidance from experts.

You have been posting almost exclusively in spam megathreads, and I wonder if you even read the first post in this thread before replying?!?

See, for example, post #2167 (2167!!!) in a thread on "top 5 altcoins": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2406729.msg45674706#msg45674706

I'll not waste more time digging up additional examples.
212  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
Found the cause of our difference of opinion. It's not pity, but I do have the opinion that 100 reasonable posts are worth the same as 1 excellent post.

In my view, that's still good for the forum because it increases activity of the members. If I want to read excellent blog posts, I can also go to Medium. On Bitcointalk, I enjoy reading the discussion that follows and the interaction between the members.

No, no, no, no! The whole point of this new restriction is because too many people have believed in the idea that "quantity has a quality all on its own"!

Furthermore, there is almost no discussion between members in spam megathreads - instead they consist of dozens to hundreds of pages of people responding to the OP.

There is almost zero chance that some barely functionally literate person will add something new to a discussion on the 50th "why bitcoin crashing" thread in the last month, and definitely not after 50 fucking pages of replies to such a thread.

213  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 12:29:29 PM
I got made a merit source this morning, which was a bit of a surprise since I hadn't ever applied to be one and have stated multiple times that I didn't want to be one.

Heh - just like the only people that should run for political office are those that don't want to. Or another favorite cliche of mine, "no good deed goes unpunished!"

newbie hell
I like that.  I think I'm going to use that in the future.

It doesn't have quite the same ring to it as, "haiku bot," but no copyright is claimed here either!


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...I agree with one merit to become Junior but we should also remove Junior's signatures. Requiring ten merit to become a Member and get a sig would really sort the wheat from the chaff here.
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Aye, requiring even more merit to become a Jr. Member and/or before a sig can be displayed would be even better, but this is better than nothing and I daresay will tremendously reduce the spam problem. Also, by implementing this new restriction ~8 months after the merit system was introduced pretty much all of the airdropped sMerit have been spent, as evidenced by the recent posts of coinlocket and the other statistics whizzes. So, nefarious merit trading should be less of an issue now than it would have been back in late January.


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I've just given you a couple of merits, and that will do for my awards until all the new merit threads have died down or been consolidated.


Hah! It's always nice to receive recognition from you cantankerous old curmudgeons, but this thread really is just a Public Service Announcement.


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Delphinus is on a roll Shocked
The good thing is, he'll soon run out of sMerit . At least the new restrictions changed Jr. Member spam from an unlimited problem to a restricted problem.

Well, that sort of disproves what I just said to hilariousetc above...  Undecided
214  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 12:05:13 PM
I understand what you say, the rewards are only for those that really deserve it but I do not think you can recognize those people because the attention of senior members for newbies is too little....

I have gone out of my way to award the first merit to many users here, but every single time I check the user's post history to make sure I am not incentivizing a bounty hunter or sig campaign spammer.

Unfortunately, looking at your post history shows you to be the type of person I am warning about with this thread. For example:

Reply #609 in "already lost 50% of my capital": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2481636.msg45372668#msg45372668

Reply #228 in "100 USD enough to start trading": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5010432.msg45372096#msg45372096

Reply #372 in "Bitcoin holders will have to pay tax?": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4517779.msg45371426#msg45371426

Etc. and so on.

215  Other / Meta / Re: Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) on: September 17, 2018, 11:47:59 AM
I've been giggling like a little school girl all morning reading meta. Out-fucking-standing, is all I can say! And a special note of thanks to hilariousandco/etc for pushing the "1 merit to become a Jr. Member" suggestion repeatedly.

216  Other / Meta / Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 11:42:54 AM
...please make sure their post history is not filled with 1-2 line replies in spam megathreads (or bounty reports, of course).

For example, Delphinus awarded crocus a merit point to get him out of newbie hell after reviewing his post history:


Here you go. I've gone through your post history. You're posts aren't perfect, but it's pretty clear you're a real account with a long post history of on-topic comments.
Definitely deserve to be a jr. member  Smiley

Wow I've got merit thanks sir for checking my post history, I will post more quality post to have a great and helpful community.

While crocus can string together words into an intelligible sentence or two, most, if not all, of his/her replies are merely rehashing what a thousand other people (or bots) have said on the hundreds of other pages in these spam megathreads.



217  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: September 17, 2018, 11:23:29 AM
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What  bothers me that some of the higher ranked members like you who got into the game early when there was no restrictions and now selling their accounts for money.( I'm not saying you're selling though.)
 I hope they'll implement something to stop this too.

So you are accusing TryNinja and all the other high ranked members of selling their accounts? Well, you certainly know how to win friends and influence people (Dale Carnegie).

Oh, and there is something in place to discourage account sales: it's called getting painted red by default trust (DT) members. Once that happens hardly any bounty/sig campaign managers will accept you.

218  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: September 17, 2018, 10:26:17 AM
Today has been a great day. ...

Lol, I was just going to post that meta has now become a goldmine of shitposts so bad they are actually funny! Let the nukings begin!

219  Other / Meta / Re: Why my rank back to NEWBIE...? on: September 17, 2018, 10:24:07 AM
You, sir, are precisely the type of user the new rule is targeting. This recent post by you sums up the bounty hunter mindset perfectly:

Well, business as usual.  Posting and posting, since the only bounty I join is only signature campaign.  My current project take 4 months, so I think the payment will be next year if it succeed and I hope the market and everything will be better at that time.

Just post and post til you collect them bounties.

220  Other / Meta / Re: Fair or not fair about decreasing rank in bitcointalk on: September 17, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
...I am active member in this forum and always give all my best to give quality post...

No, you post meaningless replies on page xx of spam megathreads. To wit, this post is on page 56 and quotes the OP:

Central bank Governor of Spain has told the cryptos bring more risk than the benefits to get. but I believe on more risk more gain theory. If you can not trust crypto, you will not be able to see its value. Risk is associated with all kinda business. It just has to be calculated properly that which one would be profitable for you.

please share your thoughts in favor of mine statement or against.
Okay thats good topic, so many controversial statements with cryptocurrencies. But all of that its depands on you face that situation.
Indeed so many scams project right now and so many people loss their funds in cryptocurrency, but all the investment or trading always have high risk. And from my experience, cryptocurrency more give profit and benefit. So my advice, if you still beginner and dont have more money never play in cryptocurrency's world


And this post does the same on page 33:

I have been thinking about investing in ETH for sometime.


Should I invest in Ethereum now or wait?
Yes, as long as you still believe in the cryptocurrency so there's no reason to stop investing in ETH and BTC. ETH is the main platform of the most ICOs. And you can looked in the coinmarketcap last 24 hours, the price of ETH now is only $222 while in last year ETH price can reach $950 per each. So this is very big opportunities to making investment on ETH. I highly recommend to invest ETH and make their price rise again.


You don't quote the OP in this post, but it's reply #547 to a thread asking whether the ICO market will grow this year:

Maybe it is not good timing or good condition for held ICO because most of cryptocurrency's price in the market still dump and for few months enter the red zone. Eventhough that, i think ICO still exist and still has the enthusiast who want to buy coins that offered by the project. To make ICO succeed and the coin will valuable, of course be the hardwork to team and developer to make it realization.


And, finally, your reply #712 to a thread proclaiming now is the time to buy Ethereum:

For me, investing in eth still worth it and can give advantages for holders. This time can be good time to buy and invest in eth because the price of eth still cheap and reach $219 per coin. Of course i believe that the price of eth will increase again and in the end of this year the price can raise drasticly rather than today.


In fact, the only good thing I can say about these posts is that they aren't plagiarized.
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