Ukraine should not only defend. They should be able to attack and hit Russian territories. That's the only way to balance the equation and possibly tilt the war in favor of Ukraine.
What about calls to stop this war? You suggest to stop violence with violence. If Ukraine starts to attack Russian territory, propaganda will 100% point on this and say that Russia has attack Ukraine to stop this and they acted ahead of. Russians, that are against war will support Putin even more. Because "we are being attacked and this must be stopped". Answering on aggression with aggression is totally wrong. It will only give birth to more aggression. The ONLY way to stop this aggression is to kill ALL aggressors as it is clear by now they will not stop. There is no other way. Ukrainians are not aggressors, they are defenders. We have a moral duty to help them in any way we can. Defending against aggression is not aggression. Russians waged wars of aggression for hundreds of years. Even during WWII. They are the country of aggressors. Even today, the majority of Russians (even those who are not ethnic Russki) support aggression against others. |
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The report linked is from 2015 BTW.
What report? Your link says "28 April 2022" The one published by Veleor. It is from 2015 and my point is that he is all right using this to justify the war of aggression but hides the fact that it is currently the RF that is preventing the OSCE to inspect the situation on the terrain - you know... like if they had something to hide? (wink wink) So it is OK when they publish something about some Ukrainian ignoring human rights, but it does not matter if they are saying that the RF is simply not allowing them to work. Well, do Russians in this situation have any reason to trust ANY organization coming from West? I mean, nazi Germany central bank didn't face such harsh sanctions, for example Russians should only trust Putin, his loyal acolytes, and his state media. Russia should close its borders, stop trading with the West, and become the Soviet Union 2.0. |
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What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  Just an idea... Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war? If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away. The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong.  - Your own statement says that you don't know where I get my info. But I post links with almost every post that I make... the serious ones, anyway. This shows us that you only care about your own ideas and don't even want to look at the other side. Either you are living in dreamland, or you are a propagandist.Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations. Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine. But instead he's bombing civilians... - For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.
I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress. Not your stupid misinformation from your couch! - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?Joe Biden's handlers continue to have him say very contradictory things about the ongoing war in Ukraine following Russia's late February invasion. For instance, Biden has repeatedly said he does not want to engage in conflict with Russia, but he nevertheless continues to try and provoke his counterpart, Vladimir Putin, … [Read More...] https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html Every civilized country should provide Ukraine with ANY weapons to stop this Nazist cancer from spreading beyond Russia's border. |
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re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.
Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit. Methodically? Jesus, you need to stop watching whatever you are watching. Donetsk does not know there is/was a war in Ukraine. Have you seen pictures of Donetsk and Mariupol? Which one looks like it was bombed? Maybe release 2,500 Azov Nazis from captivity and award them with medals for military prowess? Ukraine would shell Donetsk on a larger scale if it could. But it can’t, because it doesn’t shoot from stationary positions, but in the run-shot-ran mode, because if you stand still for a long time, ten shells will fly in response to each projectile. Cowardly killers, you can only fight civilians. Ok, now I know you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine. |
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re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.
Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit. Methodically? Jesus, you need to stop watching whatever you are watching. Donetsk does not know there is/was a war in Ukraine. Have you seen pictures of Donetsk and Mariupol? Compare pictures of both cities from 2021 and now. Which one looks like it was bombed? It is time for you to go home.
I'm home. And you're in no position to tell me what to do. |
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Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
Logic dictates that if Russia just wanted some easy resource there would be a ton of other places which would make a lot more sense. IIRC, they were in Khazakstan less than a year ago to re-seat some WEF favorite after he had the great idea to not allow un-vaxxed into banks to get their money and was headed for safety out of the place in a private jet the next day. That coincided with a world-wide loss of appetite for heavily coerced injections among the leaderships funny enough. Likely temporary until some more ducks are in a row though. (Parenthetically, it's crap like that which makes me pretty suspicious about 'Young Global Leader' Putin when Klaus Schwab brags up that Putin is one of his brood.) Ukraine had, on paper at least, a formidable military and good defensive infrastructure by world standards. Not exactly 'low hanging fruit'. Russia would have had a much better time of it just taking care of unfinished business in Georgia and that sort of thing if he was bent on theft and conquest. Maybe he's just getting to it. Wouldn't surprise me. Control of the Black Sea and fertile farmlands in Eastern Ukraine nevermind coal and natural gas, they have plenty of those. Ukraine is a large strategic piece of land that creates a military buffer zone between the south-west and west. That is why Russia wants to exterminate 40+ million people and destroy and then rebuild the area. Erase Ukrainian culture and replace it with Russian culture. That is the plan. It is clearly visible in how they proceed in the occupied territories. Any visible signs of Ukrainian culture are being erased. Putin and his acolytes are hellbent on exterminating Ukrainians and creating more lebensraum for the Russian military. |
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As for this current war, other than just a land grab I see no other justification. Historical revisionism at its best. All the talk about NATO expansion, 'denazification', 'demilitarization', and 'genocide of the Russian peoples' are just empty propaganda points.
This war started with the aggression, occupation, and annexation of Crimea in Feb 2014. Followed up by the Russian invasion of Donbas in March 2014.
Putin sells this war as a defensive war against the 'Russian peoples' but it is a war of conquest, plain and simple. There were no Russian people in Ukraine before 2014.
Just because someone speaks Russian as their first language, it does not make him Russian. Many Canadians speak North American English
but are not Americans, or speak French, yet are not French, they are Canadians. The same goes for Russian-speaking Ukrainians. They are Ukrainians. Many became Russians, no doubt. But to bomb and level the country? How nuts does someone has to be?
Nazism or more precisely imperialism 101. I think Russia poke the wrong wolverine. They will have their ass handed to them.
Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
I note that Ukraine itself is actively pushing Russian-speaking Ukrainians to become Russian. Ukraine stopped paying pensions to residents of Donbass, Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendum, Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson region, etc. Imagine that your mobile phone has stopped working and now you need a Russian SIM card, which can only be obtained with a Russian passport, which is issued according to a simplified scheme right next to a mobile phone shop. Of course, many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia and I cannot blame them for their lack of patriotism. This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not climb into any gates. If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them? It is Russia that is giving Russian passports to anyone who speaks Russian, willy-nilly. re: Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendumAfter Russia annexed its territory re: Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson regionIt was Russia who did that since they control the area. They are forcing people to use Rubles and Russian cell operators. They are trying to annex Kherson to Russia, forcing people to get Russian passports. Why would Ukraine want Kherson residents to leave Ukraine? What are you saying? re: many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia You favor your kidnappers when you want to live. re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of UkraineUkrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions. re: If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them?Because the Russian FSB and military were shooting at the Ukrainian army. Remove all Russian military from Ukraine and shooting will stop. Why did you come in the first place? Why the fuck did you come to Crimea THEN Donbas in 2014? It is time for you to go home. |
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081Western help has ruined many countries like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. These countries will take decades return to where they were before western forces came in to help them. I don't see an early end of Ukraine war, all major world powers have created enough mess in this beautiful country which used to hub of food supply for the whole world. I am afraid we may face serious food crisis if this war continues. It was wrong for the US to invade Iraq, there was no justification. Kuwait war was justified IMHO because they were defending it against the Iraq invasion. Afghanistan was another mistake. Going after Bin Laden is one thing, but building democracy in this region? Not sure I followed that logic. As for Syria, well, there was ISIS which was a threat to the whole world, so I think both the US and Russia were justified in crushing them. As for this current war, other than just a land grab I see no other justification. Historical revisionism at its best. All the talk about NATO expansion, 'denazification', 'demilitarization', and 'genocide of the Russian peoples' are just empty propaganda points. This war started with the aggression, occupation, and annexation of Crimea in Feb 2014. Followed up by the Russian invasion of Donbas in March 2014. Putin sells this war as a defensive war against the 'Russian peoples' but it is a war of conquest, plain and simple. There were no Russian people in Ukraine before 2014. Just because someone speaks Russian as their first language, it does not make him Russian. Many Canadians speak North American English but are not Americans, or speak French, yet are not French, they are Canadians. The same goes for Russian-speaking Ukrainians. They are Ukrainians. Many became Russians, no doubt. But to bomb and level the country? How nuts does someone has to be? Nazism or more precisely imperialism 101. I think Russia poke the wrong wolverine. They will have their ass handed to them. Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed. |
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In my opinion, this is a very dangerous escalation in the course of events, and it is highly expected after the recent threats against Poland by the Russian Foreign Minister.
At the same time, the initial predictions were validated about Russia's goals for the invasion of Ukraine:
- Extension of its sphere of influence to include lands that belonged to the Soviet Union, and thus the crack of war will expand.
- Dismantling the military system of NATO on its borders, which means not ruling out the hypothesis of direct confrontations.
All of which Russia would have done peacefully, through trade, if the US hadn't been instigating the Ukraine to fight and kill Russians... like they have been doing for the last 8 years or so. Russians still have an option to leave Ukraine and not die. I think the sanctions will stay in place until Russia remains an imperialist, terrorist state. As for demilitarizing the West, well, good luck with that. The West has a production capacity couple of orders of magnitude larger than Russia (without sanctions). |
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...blah, blah, broken Minsk agreement, we did nothing wrong, we are innocent, we just invaded you and annexed Crimea, blah, blah... Read this fucking thing again.
"Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups."
This point was not fulfilled by Russia. It was impossible to accomplish anything else with Russia. They vetoed all UN resolutions to bring peace to this region.
I am even surprised they "agreed" to this point when they knew they never planned to fulfill it. But that is what Russians do, think one thing,
say something else, and do something else altogether.
Not only that, they brought more military and FSB personnel after they signed this agreement.
This conflict was orchestrated by Russia. Both FSB and military were involved first in Crimea and immediately afterward in Donbas when
FSB terrorists captured the Sloviansk police station. The rest is history.
The Minsk 'agreements' were signed to buy Russia time to ferment more 'pro-Russian' sympathy in Donbas, but when this did not work, we got the Feb 24th invasion as Putin was fed up with Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Thank you for acknowledging that Ukraine didn't implement those two points. Words have meanings, you should look up differences between "impossible" and "undesirable"! 1) "did Ukraine abide by the Minsk agreements from 2014 until 2022?" -> "Of course, they did."2) "This point was not fulfilled by Russia. It was impossible to accomplish anything else with Russia."
That is objectively called lying! You're not going to raise any support by lying! You can't expect anyone with half a brain to fall for such cheap trick! You can finger point all day long, explain how they weren't fair, or provide reasons why Ukraine didn't implementing Minsk agreements by blaming DPR/LPR not implementing other points first, that's all fine, but what you cannot do is fool people by saying that Ukraine implemented Minsk agreements. That's just a lie, you ruin any credibility you've had by claiming such nonsense, and trying to make idiots out of the readers! That is right, Russia lied. They never had any intention of removing their FSB and military from Donbas or Crimea. Merkel and Macron are both idiots to believe in such nonsense. This time around, they thought they can pull Crimea 2014 annexation scenario. You know the "Green Men" on vacation doing their hobbies, we don't know anything about it, it is Ukrainians that wanted the referendum, etc. Just like before they amassed a 200K army on the border in January, they said that they never intended to invade Ukraine. They lied. Just like they said they did not invade Ukraine, and at the same time, their forces were storming Kyiv. They were lying. Just like now, they said they never stole grain and steel from Ukraine. They lied. Just like now, they said they never target civilian targets, don't rape, don't steal, don't kidnap children, and don't execute civilians. Guess, what, they lied. And keep lying. Russkiy Mir, my friend. Guess what? Their spiel is up. Even the naive westerners caught on, and now the whole civilized world knows what these terrorists are doing. You can only trust dead Russians. If I were in the Ukrainian government I would advise them not to talk to Russians. Just kill them all on your territory, close the border completely, create a 1-2km mined buffer zone on the border, and never ever again trade or deal with Russia. Criminalize communist or Soviet propaganda, criminalize pro-Russian views, prosecute all pro-Russian advocates, let them leave Ukraine, and ban them from ever entering the country. Oh, yeah, once you recover from this clusterfuck, allocate 20% of your GDP to the military, join NATO, and obtain nuclear weapons. |
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Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition
That's absurd. The commodities being stolen don't belong to the state, be it Ukraine, DNR/LNR, or Russia. Does the "recognition" now imply forced nationalization of all private property? BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR. And of course the "liberators" try to steal money as well, because why not: In Melitopol, during an inventory of the premises of banking institutions, hryvnias of various denominations spoiled by employees of Ukrainian banks were found, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.
... except the video shows what looks like IBNS theft protection dye. But that's not stealing because DNR/LNR amirite. If they don't belong to the state, why is the state the one complaining? Shouldn't it be some company stating that it lost so many tons of grain? The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch. Actually they did help. Russians were pushed out and weren't able to take Kiev. At this point the more Russians die in this war the better for Ukrainians and the numbers keep growing. If a weapon can add to that number it's always good to have it. This is a good piece. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2sI was amazed how young squad commanders are. This guy was a total newbie and apparently finished one of the best military schools in Russia. His superior's vehicle was hit and he didn't know what to do, what date it is, how to proceed. -shit they are shooting at us -shoot them -the gun is stuck -let's run away and hide Javelins and bayraktars are a waste of money here. These guys just want to get drunk and sleep in a warm bed. It could be better for US but i fail to see how that's better for Ukraine? Every day hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers die and more land is lost, i don't see how that can be better for Ukraine? Minsk agreements (guaranteed by Germany and France) called for autonomy for LPR and DPR, now Russia controls that plus majority of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv and Odessa also seem to be on the Russian radar. Whatever happens, happens for the best only works for propaganda. Oh they took Kherson and Zaporizhzhia? Well we still won, and loosing thousands lives was worth it cause we saved Dnipr and Odessa. Oh they took Dnipr and Odessa, well see still worth it because we saved Kyiv. Oh they took Kyiv well we still won and sacrificing our army was worth it because we saved Poland? EU? cause surely they would've been next and we caused so many casualties to Russia Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine ceasefire as war hits 100th day US officials have in recent weeks been meeting regularly with their British and European counterparts to discuss potential frameworks for a ceasefire and for ending the war through a negotiated settlement...Ukraine is not directly involved in those discussions, despite the US commitment to "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine." Even CNN sentiment and coverage appears to be changing, realpolitiks Russia broke all Minsk agreements with Ukraine on Feb 24, 2022. When dealing with Russia, the "guarantees on paper" are worth less than the paper they are written on. The West needs to understand that this conflict needs to be resolved militarily not only in Ukraine. As long as the Russian regime is not defeated, this aggression will continue in other countries. Russian military needs to be defeated, Moscow needs to be captured, and all Russian nuclear weapons need to be disarmed and deactivated. True statement, but did Ukraine abide by the Minsk agreements from 2014 until 2022? This is a very scary proposition, to a point where i'm not even sure who's side you're on anymore. Saying that every Ukrainian should fight until Moscow is captured, is setting unattainable goals in which you needlessly doom a lot of Ukrainians to their death. Literally being set up for failure with almost religious undertones as if they're fighting for something greater than all of them, fighting for all of Europe/humanity/free world/galaxy/universe. If Ukrainians are so eager to lay their lives for someone else's war, how about setting them to fight China till the last Ukrainian while we're at it? I'm sure the free world would gladly donate as many weapons as Ukraine can handle. How is any of that is good for Ukrainians?? Of course, they did. It was Russia that vetoed UN proposals to bring peacekeepers into the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Russia broke the agreements as soon as they were signed by introducing its military to the Ukrainian territory. Russia is a terrorist state. No one should be doing any business with them, never mind signing any political agreements. Only a total demilitarization of Russia and a breakup into independent democratic states will bring peace to this world. Imperialist Russia will ALWAYS be an existential threat to humanity. - Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00:00 midnight EET on 15 February 2015.
- Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres (31 mi) apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70 kilometres (43 mi) for multiple rocket launchers (MRLS) and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems:
- for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;
- for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014
The pullout of the above-mentioned heavy weapons must start no later than the second day after the start of the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.
This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.
- Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.
- On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts," and also about the future of these districts based on the above-mentioned law.
Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts," based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014. - Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine.
- Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of "all for all". This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).
- Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.
- Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field).
With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions. - Restore control of the state border to the Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.
- Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.
- Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with a new constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on the special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the attached footnote,[note 1] by the end of 2015.
- Based on the Law of Ukraine "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts", questions related to local elections will be discussed and agreed upon with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. Elections will be held in accordance with relevant OSCE standards and monitored by OSCE/ODIHR.
- Intensify the work of the Trilateral Contact Group including through the establishment of working groups on the implementation of relevant aspects of the Minsk agreements. They will reflect the composition of the Trilateral Contact Group.
Can you point me to how the above highlighted points from Minsk 2 were implemented by Ukraine? Read this fucking thing again. "Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups."This point was not fulfilled by Russia. It was impossible to accomplish anything else with Russia. They vetoed all UN resolutions to bring peace to this region. I am even surprised they "agreed" to this point when they knew they never planned to fulfill it. But that is what Russians do, think one thing, say something else, and do something else altogether. Not only that, they brought more military and FSB personnel after they signed this agreement. This conflict was orchestrated by Russia. Both FSB and military were involved first in Crimea and immediately afterward in Donbas when FSB terrorists captured the Sloviansk police station. The rest is history. The Minsk 'agreements' were signed to buy Russia time to ferment more 'pro-Russian' sympathy in Donbas, but when this did not work, we got the Feb 24th invasion as Putin was fed up with Russian speaking Ukrainians. |
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Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition
That's absurd. The commodities being stolen don't belong to the state, be it Ukraine, DNR/LNR, or Russia. Does the "recognition" now imply forced nationalization of all private property? BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR. And of course the "liberators" try to steal money as well, because why not: In Melitopol, during an inventory of the premises of banking institutions, hryvnias of various denominations spoiled by employees of Ukrainian banks were found, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.
... except the video shows what looks like IBNS theft protection dye. But that's not stealing because DNR/LNR amirite. If they don't belong to the state, why is the state the one complaining? Shouldn't it be some company stating that it lost so many tons of grain? The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch. Actually they did help. Russians were pushed out and weren't able to take Kiev. At this point the more Russians die in this war the better for Ukrainians and the numbers keep growing. If a weapon can add to that number it's always good to have it. This is a good piece. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2sI was amazed how young squad commanders are. This guy was a total newbie and apparently finished one of the best military schools in Russia. His superior's vehicle was hit and he didn't know what to do, what date it is, how to proceed. -shit they are shooting at us -shoot them -the gun is stuck -let's run away and hide Javelins and bayraktars are a waste of money here. These guys just want to get drunk and sleep in a warm bed. It could be better for US but i fail to see how that's better for Ukraine? Every day hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers die and more land is lost, i don't see how that can be better for Ukraine? Minsk agreements (guaranteed by Germany and France) called for autonomy for LPR and DPR, now Russia controls that plus majority of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv and Odessa also seem to be on the Russian radar. Whatever happens, happens for the best only works for propaganda. Oh they took Kherson and Zaporizhzhia? Well we still won, and loosing thousands lives was worth it cause we saved Dnipr and Odessa. Oh they took Dnipr and Odessa, well see still worth it because we saved Kyiv. Oh they took Kyiv well we still won and sacrificing our army was worth it because we saved Poland? EU? cause surely they would've been next and we caused so many casualties to Russia Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine ceasefire as war hits 100th day US officials have in recent weeks been meeting regularly with their British and European counterparts to discuss potential frameworks for a ceasefire and for ending the war through a negotiated settlement...Ukraine is not directly involved in those discussions, despite the US commitment to "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine." Even CNN sentiment and coverage appears to be changing, realpolitiks Russia broke all Minsk agreements with Ukraine on Feb 24, 2022. When dealing with Russia, the "guarantees on paper" are worth less than the paper they are written on. The West needs to understand that this conflict needs to be resolved militarily not only in Ukraine. As long as the Russian regime is not defeated, this aggression will continue in other countries. Russian military needs to be defeated, Moscow needs to be captured, and all Russian nuclear weapons need to be disarmed and deactivated. True statement, but did Ukraine abide by the Minsk agreements from 2014 until 2022? This is a very scary proposition, to a point where i'm not even sure who's side you're on anymore. Saying that every Ukrainian should fight until Moscow is captured, is setting unattainable goals in which you needlessly doom a lot of Ukrainians to their death. Literally being set up for failure with almost religious undertones as if they're fighting for something greater than all of them, fighting for all of Europe/humanity/free world/galaxy/universe. If Ukrainians are so eager to lay their lives for someone else's war, how about setting them to fight China till the last Ukrainian while we're at it? I'm sure the free world would gladly donate as many weapons as Ukraine can handle. How is any of that is good for Ukrainians?? Of course, they did. It was Russia that vetoed UN proposals to bring peacekeepers into the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Russia broke the agreements as soon as they were signed by introducing its military to the Ukrainian territory. Russia is a terrorist state. No one should be doing any business with them, never mind signing any political agreements. Only a total demilitarization of Russia and a breakup into independent democratic states will bring peace to this world. Imperialist Russia will ALWAYS be an existential threat to humanity. |
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Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition
That's absurd. The commodities being stolen don't belong to the state, be it Ukraine, DNR/LNR, or Russia. Does the "recognition" now imply forced nationalization of all private property? BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR. And of course the "liberators" try to steal money as well, because why not: In Melitopol, during an inventory of the premises of banking institutions, hryvnias of various denominations spoiled by employees of Ukrainian banks were found, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.
... except the video shows what looks like IBNS theft protection dye. But that's not stealing because DNR/LNR amirite. If they don't belong to the state, why is the state the one complaining? Shouldn't it be some company stating that it lost so many tons of grain? The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch. Actually they did help. Russians were pushed out and weren't able to take Kiev. At this point the more Russians die in this war the better for Ukrainians and the numbers keep growing. If a weapon can add to that number it's always good to have it. This is a good piece. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2sI was amazed how young squad commanders are. This guy was a total newbie and apparently finished one of the best military schools in Russia. His superior's vehicle was hit and he didn't know what to do, what date it is, how to proceed. -shit they are shooting at us -shoot them -the gun is stuck -let's run away and hide Javelins and bayraktars are a waste of money here. These guys just want to get drunk and sleep in a warm bed. It could be better for US but i fail to see how that's better for Ukraine? Every day hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers die and more land is lost, i don't see how that can be better for Ukraine? Minsk agreements (guaranteed by Germany and France) called for autonomy for LPR and DPR, now Russia controls that plus majority of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv and Odessa also seem to be on the Russian radar. Whatever happens, happens for the best only works for propaganda. Oh they took Kherson and Zaporizhzhia? Well we still won, and loosing thousands lives was worth it cause we saved Dnipr and Odessa. Oh they took Dnipr and Odessa, well see still worth it because we saved Kyiv. Oh they took Kyiv well we still won and sacrificing our army was worth it because we saved Poland? EU? cause surely they would've been next and we caused so many casualties to Russia Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine ceasefire as war hits 100th day US officials have in recent weeks been meeting regularly with their British and European counterparts to discuss potential frameworks for a ceasefire and for ending the war through a negotiated settlement...Ukraine is not directly involved in those discussions, despite the US commitment to "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine." Even CNN sentiment and coverage appears to be changing, realpolitiks Russia broke all Minsk agreements with Ukraine on Feb 24, 2022. When dealing with Russia, the "guarantees on paper" are worth less than the paper they are written on. The West needs to understand that this conflict needs to be resolved militarily not only in Ukraine. As long as the Russian regime is not defeated, this aggression will continue in other countries. Russian military needs to be defeated, Moscow needs to be captured, and all Russian nuclear weapons need to be disarmed and deactivated. |
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Looks like Putin is preparing to make this war shorter than we would have expected. But the way he is doing it should make us all take a look at our options.
Russia Holds Nuclear Forces Drill As Biden Unveils $700M More In Arms For UkraineRussia's nuclear forces have launched fresh drills northeast of Moscow, in the Ivanovo province, according to new Russian defense ministry statements Wednesday.
Reuters cited Interfax news agency to report that "Some 1,000 servicemen are exercising in intense maneuvers using over 100 vehicles including Yars intercontinental ballistic missile launchers," based on the Russian MoD statement.
Some Western media reports are seeing the drill as a response and warning to Washington over the White House approving yet more military aid and weapons to Ukraine, particularly longer range rockets.
... If he drops a nuke, I think it will be the 'all gloves off' type of a fight. I don't think he will go there. Russia is not ready for it. He will continue his war of attrition, and reach the border of Donbas, losing 100K+ soldiers while doing it. Declare a victory and withdraw from Ukraine as he will not want to spend his own money to hold it and rebuild all the leveled cities, towns, and infrastructure. It is a clusterfuck for Russia and he needs to get out of it. Somehow. Dropping a nuke will complicate things exponentially. |
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Revenge? They got the wrong city. They should be leveling Moscow to avenge the Russian atrocities in Chechnya. |
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Give me the name of the Russian POW who was stabbed in the eye, and the name of the Ukrainian serviceman who did that while the POW was in the custody of the Ukrainian army. Time and place, please.
Patience, patience. It's virtue, you know? Trials for capital offenses take time, as they should given the punishment options available. No need to hurry this stuff. The Russians have all the time in the world. When the earlier POW killings were first distributed, I figured that it was a pretty strong possibility that it was a Russian psy-op to develop support back home (which it did.) Later on, as more info about the unbelievable evil that the ZioNazis were capable of came to the fore, I changed my mind and now figure it's more likely than not that this stuff went on and that it probably wasn't even a terribly rare one-off event. Ok, so you don't know, you just parrot the Russian propaganda. Got it. |
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that's what civilized societies do
Wonderful. The question was about Kremlin though. Hopefully the trials will be put online in the public domain to remind people (like you) who were duped into being ZioNazi supporters how easy it is to be duped if one listens exclusively to the mainstream media and actually believes the bullshit. The Nazi (actors) who do stand trail will probably have some sleazy lawyer such as Alan Dershewitz defending them. Actually, I don't think that most of the tribalist 'Nazi' play-actors in leadership will be tried by the Russians (or anyone else.) Most of them probably didn't put themselves in a situation to be captured in the first place, and those who did manage to get captured will be quietly bailed out be fellow tribalist oligarchs for some pretty big sums. Tried for what exactly? 'Illegal' tattoos? 'Illegal', anti-Russian thoughts? 'Discrediting' the Russian army? 'Tax evasion'? Oh, I dunno. Killing POW's by stabbing them in the eye? Keeping civilians as human shields? Executing 'collaborators' (who accepted food donations) and using the bodies to stage massacres for the brain-dead Western media viewers. That sort of thing. The members of the ZioNazi groups scattered throughout the Ukrainian government were actually pretty proud of their exploits and put a lot of them on social media. Beyond that, there are usually far more people who are flippable than actually need to be flipped when it comes to these sorts of crimes. I strongly suspect that there was some genuine higher-level scientific behavioral modification going on given the heinousness of a lot of the crimes which went on over the past 8 years since the color revolution/coup. When these victims 'dry out' a bit and get off whatever meds they've probably been pumped full of, I'm expecting a lot of them to be singing like canaries, and probably without even being asked. Again, I hope the trials proceedings are released for all the world to see so that people are more aware of the kinds of filth which enters their country if the don't peel back the cloth a little bit to see the Victoria 'Nuland' (aka, Nudelman-Kagan) types who are pulling the strings. Hopefully also do a little more exploration into the philosophies that drive her ilk to do what they do, and the methods they have used, under these philosophies, for hundreds of years. Give me the name of the Russian POW who was stabbed in the eye, and the name of the Ukrainian serviceman who did that while the POW was in the custody of the Ukrainian army. Time and place, please. |
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that's what civilized societies do
Wonderful. The question was about Kremlin though. Hopefully the trials will be put online in the public domain to remind people (like you) who were duped into being ZioNazi supporters how easy it is to be duped if one listens exclusively to the mainstream media and actually believes the bullshit. The Nazi (actors) who do stand trail will probably have some sleazy lawyer such as Alan Dershewitz defending them. Actually, I don't think that most of the tribalist 'Nazi' play-actors in leadership will be tried by the Russians (or anyone else.) Most of them probably didn't put themselves in a situation to be captured in the first place, and those who did manage to get captured will be quietly bailed out be fellow tribalist oligarchs for some pretty big sums. Tried for what exactly? 'Illegal' tattoos? 'Illegal', anti-Russian thoughts? 'Discrediting' the Russian army? 'Tax evasion'? |
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It seems Russia doesn't care about Facebook videos at all and continues to advance, despite all been dead from hunger, deserting, suiciding, not having gas, losing 200 tanks per day, not to forget deadly ill Putin, who will be overthrown any moment, by angry russians because their ruble is worth only $0.00000000000001 and falling The question is "and then what?". |
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