The fact that Islam is a supremacist, imperialist political ideology masquerading as a religion.

The fact that Muslims do not kick out Islamists and Jihadists from their ranks.

The fact that the Quran contains scientific nonsense and contradictions.

You are forgetting that many educated people do not want to be rich (yourself included), they want to be workers (and stay poor) all their lives.

How are you going to pull them out of poverty?

BTW, you cannot educate people who do not want to be educated.  The desire to change their lives has to come from within.

The best you can do is create conditions where poor people who want to succeed can become successful.

I hope you realize that the solution to this inequality problem is multifaceted, not as simple as the (superficial) solution proposed by Marx and Engels.

The system that best fits our human nature is capitalism.  Whether you like it or not.

PS. One area where I think capitalism has to be curbed is the environmental protection as the damage in many cases is irreversible and no money in the world can fix that damage.  For example, the packaging of consumer products has to be changed to eliminate plastic waste, water, air pollution needs to be reduced, emission standards have to improve.  This is going to be a big issue going forward in the coming decades as populations of cities swell, and natural habitats are destroyed. I don't think the free market will regulate itself in that area.  It will need a little help, IMHO.

re: 1
It is a noble goal. How on Earth do you want to accomplish that?    Please do not say by redistribution of wealth, from the most capable hands to everyone else regardless of skills and abilities?  This can only be accomplished by forceful confiscation from those who have more than the average.  BTW, in all capitalist societies workers already earn more than the bare minimum.  Acceptable by whom?  We all want the proverbial pony for Christmas.

You want to help the hungry, teach them how to fish. The only way out of poverty is education and hard work, IMHO.  If you steal the capital from the rich and redistribute it to the poor, it is equivalent to stealing the fish from the fishermen and giving it to the poor.  After they go through it, they will go hungry again.

re: 2
You should blame the parents for children being born poor.  You absolve the parents of that responsibility.  Sex education, pregnancy prevention, and abortion can reduce the number of children born into poverty.

Your solution is reactionary.  Dig deeper for the root causes.

Uneducated people believed and still believe in all kinds of things. Some are delusional, some are just uninformed.

The issue was that you personally think to have a memory of what happened to you before you and your brain was formed.  That is what is insane.  Some people believe they were Napoleon, Julius Caesar, etc.  There is no clinical distinction between your "before birth" memories and someone who has memories of being Napoleon.

Your "before birth" memories are just part of your religious delusion.  You have lost your marbles.

That is the root cause of your 'problem'.  You have not experienced what you preach. I did.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

What I was trying to tell you is that capitalism is better than communism or socialism.  But you keep saying "la-la-la, I don't care".

So stay ignorant.  Preach your nonsense.

PS. You are basically saying people who don't want to become financially independent are poor.  And it is the fault of the system that a large number of people stay poor.  You absolve people of any personal responsibility for their financial situation.  That is why communism is an insane system.

I think you are just envious of rich people.  Why would you think Bezos or Gates do not deserve their billions?  They played by the rules laid out for them by the system. What I am more interested in is how they think, not their billions.

You seem to understand how the system works and why, but I think your problem is you think workers deserve more because you think if capital was given to them, all of them will turn around and become entrepreneurs.  

Guess what, most workers are happy to be workers, nothing more nothing less.  Sure there might be some ambitious ones who feel they are stuck because the system is preventing them from becoming successful.

They of course just shift the blame to protect their fragile egos.  It is hard to admit that it is you who needs to change, it is very easy to say it is the system that needs to change.

To be successful in any game, you need to know the rules.  Hint: taxation rules should be at the top of your 'to do' list.

Criticizing the capitalist system is pointless as it will not help you financially.  Stop being envious, if you failed at making your fortune in teaching, try something else.  Sell real estate, cars, start an online 'academy', etc.

If you are incapable of change, you can only blame yourself. Not the system.

BTW, the advise I am giving you works in any system, socialism, communism or capitalism.  How do you think people become top members of the politburo?  They hustle.

If you truly believe what you just said actually happened, you might be are clinically insane.

Why can't he just come here and type one post in this thread and click on the "Post" button?

Pray to him that he turns me 'off'.

See you tomorrow, lol.

Oh, ok.  I think I understand your views.  

You think the current system is unfair to non-capitalists.  "It creates inequalities as people with the means of production control how much workers make.  When workers and owners do not make the same, owners steal from workers.  The owners steal the fruits of worker's labor.
You think capital is the source of all evil as it facilitates this theft."

Did I get it right?

Let me just say you have a very narrow, somewhat tunneled vision on the issue.  When you have a good idea for a product, you go out and raise capital, organize the business, hire skilled people to achieve your vision, you are taking huge risks that the whole venture might fail, many times you work for months 24/7 to get your business off the ground before any workers show up at your shop.  Workers you hire demand certain salary and you seek workers to maximize return on your capital, i.e. the best skills for the least money. At no point, you steal their salary or their opportunities.  They are at all times in full control of their careers.  Well, maybe 2-4 weeks notice, as stipulated by the employment contract, that is about it.

You think that workers hired by a well-running business deserve the share of the business profits.  On what grounds?  That would be the real theft.  If I have a software company and I am doing 10M revenue and 1M profit and I need to expand and I hire 10 new developers (10x100K) to implement the new version of my product, and I am successful and the revenues go to 200M and 20M profit, I need to share the 20M with my 10 new developers? On what grounds?  They were nowhere my business when I was working on it in my basement, eating noodles for 5 years.  How in the world would this be fair?  What about if instead of 20M profit, I incur 5M losses, would the 10 new developers share the losses with me?

Do I agree that the system seems unfair on the surface?  Of course.  You see some people flushing their wealth while others starve or go homeless.  You have to ask yourself the why question?  Not jump to the conclusion that the system is automatically fundamentally wrong.

Is it wrong for some people?  Of course.  People who just want the 9-5 job, with a steady paycheck, no need to worry about job security or business stability.  People without any skills or desires to own the "means of production", people who do not want to own real property, people who do not want to run any sort of business, or assume any risk in life in general.  To those people, it is definitely the wrong system.  They will suffer financially under it.  They will be scraping by their whole lives and die with mortgages on their homes.

When I first came to North America, I worked in aluminum extruder factories, farms, bakeries and the people I met made me think.  I knew right then I do not want to work for 3 years to be able to afford to buy a used car.  I remember one toothless guy, he was maybe 30 years old, we were eating our miserable sandwiches, he finished his, took his cigarettes and proudly announced that if I work for 3 years in this factory I might be able to buy a used Buick to drive to work.  He worked there for 5 years, still was riding the bus. I looked at him with great sadness because I felt sorry for him.  I knew he will die in that factory and never be able to buy that car.  The same year I enrolled in the community college.

The same thing happened when I first started working after I graduated from university.  I was hired as a "full-time" employee, I quickly realized that what they were paying me would not get me anywhere.  I needed more.  I befriended some contractors who enlightened me on the benefits of contracting.  

I switched within months to triple my "salary".  This was still not enough to feel secure.  I watched how other contractors had supply contracts to provide contractors and get $10-20/hr for every hour of work.  I needed that, and that is what I did for a while.

I never stole any money from anyone.  People willingly hired me, I willingly paid people who I hired in return.

You think people who do dangerous jobs are taking all the risks.  Nothing can be further from the truth.  

You fail to understand what risk is.   You only think of the risk of personal injury but forgetting all the business risks, legal liabilities, insurance costs.  Who do you think is bearing those risks and costs?

I worked with many brilliant developers who told me they just want a full-time job, I tried to help them to show them the way to a brighter future, they did not feel comfortable taking all the risks.  So they are still working in their 50s and 60s.  They are the same as the toothless guy I met at the aluminum extruder factory, 30 years ago.  Same mentality, same result.

If you have a worker's mentality, you will be a worker all your life, with terrible results.  You will die poor.  That is just the way it is.

You need to hustle a bit, no matter the system you live under.

The risk is always positively correlated to the reward. At least it should be under the efficient, free-market model.

The higher the risk you take the higher the potential reward.  When workers are taking no risk by doing their 9-5 job, they deserve the minimum wage, i.e. little reward.

The trick is to find yourself in a situation where you control the risk.  Read all books by Robert Kiyosaki
https://www.amazon.com/Robert-T-Kiyosaki/e/B001H6GV90?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1570552754&sr=8-1

PS. I feel I need to write a book for people like you to re-educate them on capitalism.  There seem to be a large, growing dissatisfaction with the capitalist system and I feel that if people are not educated on how to effectively function in it, we'll have a bloody "occupy and kill movement".  The last one was just a prelude, I am afraid.  I think the education system in North America is failing students at that task.

These types of people are just noisemakers.  They will never be successful in any system, capitalist (because they do not understand what to do with the little capital they have and they do not understand what inherent risks are) or communist (because they will object to taking bribes or advancing through the communist ranks by killing or imprisoning their fellow comrades).

I did not know these communist lunatics exist outside of former communist countries, but this guy proved me wrong.  It is insane what this guy is saying: profit is theft.  What is next: "war is peace", "poor is rich" and vice versa. 

They live in Western capitalist societies and complain about the privileges they have been born with.   What a bunch of ungrateful losers!!!
FBI should keep tabs on these people, IMHO.  They are radicals, ready to go off on any new "occupy movement" and such.

Give them guns and they will go door to door and rob people who have more than they have.  No moral compass whatsoever.

So making a huge profit on your invested capital is theft?  How about a 10% or %20 profit?  Is it still theft?  You determine what is theft and what is not?  So trading securities/currencies/commodities and making a profit is also theft?  How about capital gains?  Theft?  Passive income?  Theft?  How do you propose we should treat losses?  'Untheft'?  It seems like you need a completely new vocabulary to describe your system.  Does risk exist in your utopian world?

You are very, and I stress, very uneducated.  You think you understand the system, but you really don't.  I am really surprised you even function in the capitalist system.  Let me guess, you managed to have some shitty job, answering emails and having useless meetings, or worse, you work in retail.

Your objections to the current system are based on wishful thinking and are going against our human nature.  That is why the communist-inspired social structures never worked.  You are talking about utopia.

Let me guess, you were born after 1984, and as you were growing up your parents kept telling you that you can be whoever you want to be, that you are very smart, and that you are special, the sky is the limit, that you will be able to make a 'difference', that you can change the world and find your purpose in it; you received participation medals for the last place in any competition you have ever participated in.  Then you entered the workforce and your bosses told you that you are not that special, they offered you a mediocre salary with no room for advancement, and now you are very disappointed.  

I wish the Soviet Union was still around so that you can immigrate and experience a society where most of the productive capital belonged to the 'people'.

Like I said before, you have no idea what communism is.  Go visit North Korea.

The capitalist system is less evil than the communist system.  Ask any person who lived under both systems.  Don't be ignorant.

Ok, I think you are wandering all over the place with your 'demands'.  

First, understand one thing: capital is not infinite.  If you start printing money you are diluting the value (ability to produce work) of all other capital in existence.  If you needed a capital of 500K USD (in 1980s dollars) to start a large chicken farm 40 years ago, today you might need the same capital, except it will be expressed in USD as 5 million.  The capital required to start the chicken farm is the same.

I don't get it how you can see me investing in some smart kid's education as theft.  I just don't get it how you can be so ignorant of the value of capital. You know what the opportunity cost is, don't you?

I think you are fuzzy on basic economics concepts.  Your entitlement demands are unrealistic.

We live in the real world.  There are wars, corrupt politicians, lack of education, lack of resources, exponential population growth, pollution, etc.,

You think you can solve all that by dropping buckets of USD on poor people and all will be holy again?  Think again.  Most of it will be blown on crack or hashish.

You are very naive.  Before you start changing the world by robbing the rich, start at home, increase your capital, teach your children to be good global citizens, teach them foreign languages, math, science, send them to good schools, etc.  Before you know it, they will be rich and hopefully become better versions of the 'degenerate' rich you so much despise.

Give them money from where?  Who is going to pay for it?  You seem to think that money grows on trees. How do you know the poor kids deserve the money?  If they score perfectly on the SAT, I say they deserve it.  I would personally invest in their education for a cut of their future earnings.

BTW, capital gravitates to those who have most skills.  That is a fact.

Also, saying that the poor do not have the same opportunities is a cop-out.  You are painting all the poor with the same brush.
In America, all kids can prepare for and write SAT exams.

Family issues are affecting both poor and rich so please don't bring it up as a reason poor kids perform poorly; it is a non sequitur.
Do you think rich kids don't have problems?  They have problems, just different ones.

You have no idea how fortunate kids in North America are.  I cannot listen to your excuses.

Go live in Vietnam, Cambodia, Central Africa or the Middle East.  You live in your "American social injustice" bubble.

No wonder the rest of the world thinks Americans are morons.  The US is the land of opportunity, every hard-working immigrant will tell you that.  It is the best country in the world to study, work, start a business, become rich, etc.  No matter the race, religion or ethnic background.

Sour grapes with the rich is not an argument. 

Google the watchmaker argument.  Your watchmaker will be more complicated than anything he has created and would require another watchmaker to explain its existence, and so on.

If you follow the watchmaker argument to its logical conclusion you will end up with more questions and no answers. That is why it is useless.

I do understand your psychological infirmity and your need for firm answers, however, I urge you to study how the science is actually done.
You seem to be quite fuzzy on this particular subject.

I am confident that you will be able to understand how science works despite your innate shortcomings and the barrage of indoctrination you have been subjected to since you started to walk on your own.

Your explanation is much worse than mine.  Your watchmaker needs to have a watchmaker, who needs to have a watchmaker, this continues ad infinitum.  This does not explain anything.

Your maker raises more questions than it answers.  Never mind that it is just one big, culturally driven conjecture.  Nothing to do with objective observation and analysis.

What we observe is that life forms go through a natural progression from less complex ones to more complicated ones, sometimes with cruel results of producing human children without fully enclosed spines, two cojoined heads or other genetic disorders. Some watchmaker, LOL.

By the way, the universe is not a machine, it is a violent, inhospitable place where life has very little chance to form.  As far as we can tell, it was created by a violent expansion of spacetime from quantum fluctuations.  Galaxies, including our own, are on a collision course with each other.  Violent collisions are happening all the time, black holes colliding, supernovas going off, comets and asteroids colliding with the nearby planets and stars. Is this the "machine" you are talking about?  Or you are just talking about your garden on a flat disk. LOL

Physics to deal with Planck's lengths and times has not been discovered yet.  So we don't know how our local universe has started.  Maybe it didn't, maybe it was always there in one form or the other.

People were buying your explanation more than 100 years ago when most of us were ignorant and fearful.  Education, new advances in science and technology eradicates these superstitions and pushes them to the footprints of psychiatric manuals.
 

And you are not hearing me.  I do not see any results of God's actions.

What you are doing is building up your delusion to justify it.

There is absolutely no proof that the universe was made by "Someone".  Universe is the way it is just like sand dunes.
No active agent created them, yet they seem to be designed and made by someone.


Atoms in your body were naturally formed in an ancient supernova millions of light-years away from here.  You have evolved from a single cell organism, which also formed naturally.

Hard to believe, I know, but Earth is not flat an it is much older than billion of years, so is the universe.

How can you assign any additional attributes to some abstract construct that cannot be even defined?

You don't even know what you believe and why?

God is undefined and non-detectable.  Just like anything that does not exist.

There are many laws that I disagree with, but I would not dare to break them just because I don't like them.  
You don't need to break laws to be successful or get ahead in life.

All I said is that equality of outcome is wrong to those who can and will do better than those who don't.
You don't believe me that the US, any other Western, or Eastern European country does not have equality of opportunity?
Score perfect on SAT and you'll see how many doors will open for you.  Who is stopping you?
When I see Americans or Canadians waste their time at the university on partying and "college life", I see a lot of resources wasted, but
I know that most of these people will not succeed in life, will end up with $200K+ student debt, will continue churning their parent's inheritances if any, and will begin to complain about the capitalist system.  Eventually will radicalize themselves and become "communists".  They are (like you btw) smart enough to know what they want, however they fail to understand the consequences of forced capital redistribution.

Remember one thing, capital stays in the pockets of people who care about it, and flees the pockets of people who do not understand what the capital is for.  This is probably the most important thing that you should get from our exchanges, follow this rule, teach it to your children.  Take care of your capital, put it into good use.  Don't waste it.  It is a very valuable resource.  And forget the wrongs of the past.  Live for the future.  Do not seek some social revenge.

Do I think the capitalist system is fair?  Not really, it favors the rich because money greases the wheels of success.  However, there are many legal opportunities for ambitious, eager, smart and POOR people.  More than in any communist system ever created. Under the communist system the smart and ambitious are either killed first or become the oligarchs/politburo of the system (aka mafia bosses).  

As for the taxation system favoring the rich, well, you should be thankful that this is the case so that the capital keeps working in your country.  Without capital, the economy would collapse.  The more profit capitalists make the more money is put into good use, even if it is a fraction of their profits, still, it is better than the saving all the poor people can put to good use.  Most poor people do not have a clue what to do with their money, other than to spend it.


Maybe for some people, but not all. Luck plays a role, but it is your brains and guts that determine your destiny.  You determine it.
I know it is a hard road from being penniless to retiring early as a multi-millionaire.  But it can be done.

The harder and smarter you work the luckier you get.

BTW, that lazy child of a billionaire is going to "return" the capital to people who know what to do with it sooner rather than later.

Why do you think the majority of lottery winners go broke?

If you just take your car, the guy will call the police, you will be arrested then if you will be able to prove that it was your car, you will not be charged.  The guy who bought the car was defrauded, police will investigate and eventually will get to the thief.  It is not a good idea to take law into your own hands and go out and take your stolen stuff.  Just call the police, tell them that you located your stolen car and let them handle it.  That is why we pay taxes.  Let the police do their job.

Then you would be breaking the law.  The guy who bought your stolen car can shoot you in the head and he probably would not be charged, depending on the jurisdiction. Go through the proper legal channels.  That is why we have laws.  It is not a Wild West anymore.

If you just go out and take your stuff, you know that you will be arrested and if you resist, police can shoot you, either way, you end up either dead or in jail.  There is where all criminals belong, IMHO.

BTW, redistribution of wealth accomplishes nothing, it creates a short-term relief for the unfortunate and/or lazy and poor, then the class structure forms again, and the wealth pyramid is rebuilt again.  Capital is wasted.  Time is lost.  Millions die in the process. What forms during such revolutionary periods is much worse than what was there before.  Study French and Bolshevik revolutions.  Be careful what you wish for.

I have lived under the Communist regime.  I know better than you what that system does to your psyche, your motivation, your ambitions.  That system kills all innovation, desire to improve your life, it is the most destructive system human mind ever invented.

I do understand why you are fooled by the slogans.  You want equality, fairness, equal chances for everyone.  Those are great goals.  But you are forgetting about one thing.  Humans are not all the same.  We are not ants.  We all have different skills, abilities, ambitions, and aspirations.

Some of us worked hard to learn to speak 8+ languages fluently, have multiple graduate degrees, achieved great success in business and accumulated some wealth as a result.  While others can barely speak and write in their own native language, have no post-secondary education, skill or trade, and on top of that are lazy and want to take stuff from the "rich" people.  How is it fair for the "rich" people to be robbed by the imbeciles? Just think about what you are proposing.  Think about the long-term consequences.  Study history.  Don't ignore it.

No.
You are off-topic.  Freeing slaves was not the topic of this discussion.  Replace slaves with necklaces.

Anyway, I am going to try one last time to give you an example to illustrate your logical fallacies.

Imagine you own a car. (Since you are a Communist so it is probably hard to imagine, but try.)

Your car is stolen.  You locate the thief and go to take your car back.  Did you steal your car?  No, you just took possession of your own property.

Now, if another guy goes and steals your car (from the thief), he would be stealing, because he is taking what is not his.

You think that taking illegal possession of the stolen property is not stealing.  

You have some serious issues understanding the English language and the Western legal system in general.

Stealing is not a boolean variable.  Stealing what is already stolen does not make it not stolen.

A=true (not stolen)
Not A = false (stolen)
Not Not A = true (not stolen)

That is your logical fallacy.  I think you do that on purpose because you want to justify stealing and redistribution of wealth.

You and people like you are the scum of this Earth.