Well, clearly he doesn't care about a few million casualties, that much is clear by now. An incident like that might be beneficial for his delusional "plan" - look, Ukrainians launched a nuclear attack against us!!!

However if the wind starts blowing towards NATO, that raises some interesting questions. Is that an attack?

usa pushed for seperations of regions like kurdistan from iraq, for decades if it supported their agenda,

u can't just have a regime in ukraine that treats parts of its population as slaves. ukraine never was run like switzerland it was run like a colonial american state benefiting the bank founders while wiping out the ancient peoples. the bank's founders thought in the meantime that their wealth and power was god given so they never felt bad about the human rights issues in donbass.

imagine switzerland that speaks german italian and french would get couped by german nationalists that then would run a discriminatory regime in switzerland that would slowly wipe out the french and italian speaking swiss.

would that be not considered a human rights violation?

why do ukranians defend their genocidal nazi regime?

You have no idea how many Russians died here! Our morgues are packed, their corpses are lying in the fields, forests, fragments - in the destroyed equipment. And you know what? Russia REFUSES TO TAKE THE BODIES OF ITS SOLDIERS!!!! We beg the International Red Cross to facilitate the transfer of the bodies of the dead to their relatives, this is required by international agreements. But the Kremlin does not want to accept them so that people do not see the real picture. Their propaganda says the day before yesterday that there are NO DEAD on their side. But in reality, more than 6,000 corpses of their soldiers have been COLLECTED in Ukraine today! How many of them have not yet been found in the fields, and how many fragmented corpses!? Who does not believe - I can send photos and videos with the destroyed Russian-fascist troops, but I will not publish here, very shocking materials.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.


Relative to the Western powers who've had their way with the country since the coup in 2014, yeah, they probably are.  At least toward the Russian speaking Ukrainians who'd been under threat and attack for 8 years.


As I said, I heard reports of it, and some of the observations I've made substantiate that contention.


Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.

Now Ukraine probably is one of the very few places where 'the Nazi's are real'.  This would be fall-out from the historical and quite obscene abuse (e.g., the Holodomor) that the patch of land and people on it were subject to at the hands of the Bolsheviks and their follow-ups, and these are widely believed to be more than a little on yiddy end of the spectrum.  Not without reason.  Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.

The smart money is that the West is setting up for covert operations a-la Syria hoping to trap the Russians in a tar-baby.  I suspect that Putin is smart enough to thwart that (by not sticking around any more than necessary to make sure that the regions he wants as a buffer zone stay stable enough.)

The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that.  I'm guessing that when all is said and done, a swim across the Dnieper will be the first obstacle to harassment operations in the 'liberated' parts of the terrain.  At least South of Kiev which I expect Putin will return.

I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.

Who's going break them up? Whoever controls Russia's nuclear weapons can stop any effort like that by threatening to nuke the aggressor, so you'd have to have the leader of Russia (Putin or his successors) voluntarily give up their nukes, etc.

well we will see who defines truth, in ancient bibical religions people that are higher in the human ranking have more divine rights to define "the truth"

i think in ancien jewish society it was very strict and important to believe what the king claimed, what the king claims is always true.

since putin is more like a king than the woke western leadership, its likely that the truth will end up being more like his than the one of them

why do they defend the ukranian regime, the army went in to catch them, defending the ukranian regime makes putin think they are all nazis and are not worth to keep alive.

stupid idiots

U.S. officials believe Kyiv will fall in 4-6 weeks, with Russia/Ukraine war lasting over a decade.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/russia-ukraine-news-kyiv-war-putin-invasion-talks-today/#post-update-8de46653

With the amount of Ukrainian propaganda floating around, there is this notion that Ukraine is winning this war or even has the potential to win this war. It simply is not true. The Russian military has too many resources to throw away and the economic ramifications does not effect Putin directly. His fragile ego will put his political ambitions over his constituency. So without any input from NATO, this is prolonged losing battle for Ukraine. It seems like Russia has been targeting civilian areas over the last few days, and there are some reports that it might ramp up within the coming weeks. A 10-20 year time line sounds reasonable, and at the end Ukraine might end up being a wasteland like Afghanistan.

Current videos and news from Ukrainian borders has shown that foreigners, especially Africans are been treated like animals. Reports showed that some Africans have been forced to remain in Ukraine.They are been pushed out of queues and priority were given to Europeans and other “white” nationals.  

African students are left waiting for days to cross in freezing temperatures without food, blankets or shelters. Some were pushed down as they tried to board trains. Ukrainian and Polish citizens were allowed to pass through while foreigners have to go through four stages process that lasted from 14 to 50 hour.

Ukrainians and Poles we know it has not been easy, but nobody deserves to die please.
 
Thank you the people of Moldova and Romania for your non-discriminatory warm welcome.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/more-racism-at-ukrainian-borders

I do not think Putin plans to occupy Ukraine and join it with mainland Russia. Ukrainian peoples are hostile towards Russians still RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties. I am assuming they are trying to keep their images and replace them with a puppet government in Ukraine. Putin knows annexation would cause more problems like insurgents and civilian unrest. Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.

I would suggest 15th century, because it gets better. I found evidence that Ukraine is actually ancient NATO land:

I am the one who does not want to see that "power". This whole war seems strange to me. In mass media I only see how many military engineering Russia has lost, while Ukrainians only have civilian losses. I have seen on tv many times how destructive Russian weapons are, how much damage their rockets can make, how badass their ships and submarines with nuclear weapon are. What I see now on YouTube and telegram - some kind of 18-21 year old kids captured by Ukrainian army. That makes me feel that either all Russian army and its potential is fake, or they have send kids that undergo compulsory service in army to war, or real and experienced Russian army is too smart no to take part in this war.

the way i see it
russia for decades has been spouting crap about its military might/power. by saying it has precision missiles and stuff that can take out america in 1 swoop.. yet.
(playing devils advocate) if i was a dictator with all this supposed tech i would have precision targetted all of the military bases and political buildings in one swoop in 1 hour to fast forward a country take-over plan on day 1

the lack of display of russia's 'power' is something putin will regret soon.

im not playing down the atrocities or saying that russia isnt doing damage. im just saying. russia isnt really as targetted/technologically accurate or strategic as it claimed.

ukraine is doing great defending itself, even with nato/un and other countries just sitting at the sidelines. i just think putin already lost his battle. he just doesnt realise it yet, because putin doesnt actually have the power he has been chest beating about for the last decade+

once the world realises that russia cant even take out its neighbour. the world will take out putin. and so we should
russia underestimated ukraines response and russia over exaggerated its own power for the last few decades

if i was america. i would have had a team of people watching putins every move for years. knowing his exact location by the minute. and accidentally slipped on a button that dropped a precision targeting bomb on his head, taking out only one casualty.. him

Since Putin is apparently now a crazy old man with a Napoleon complex, this horrifying thought occurred to me: If Ukraine resists for many weeks, why wouldn't Putin use a nuclear weapon against them? It'd be like the situation with Japan and the US in WWII: Putin can nuke a couple of Ukrainian cities (probably in the western half) and say, "Surrender unconditionally or I'll nuke a couple more." And he could just continue nuking cities until Ukraine capitulated. NATO wouldn't respond with direct military action, Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons of its own, and sanctions are already nearly maxed out. I don't see how Putin has much to lose with this strategy (except that it might horrify his direct subordinates or population enough for them to oust him), and it's a sure-fire way to win Ukraine.

You might think that Putin wouldn't want to get a radioactive wasteland as a prize, but that'd be a misunderstanding of the effects of nuclear weapons. Using appropriately-sized nukes, Putin could destroy dozens of cities without making Ukraine generally uninhabitable. The radioactive fallout would cause serious issues (worse in Ukraine and extending worldwide), but it wouldn't kill that many people in most areas, and it would decay in weeks.

To try to prevent this, the West urgently needs to find some way of giving Putin some sort of hope that he personally can improve his situation without conquering Ukraine. As things stand now, there seems to be zero hope of the sanctions ever being lifted as long as Putin is alive, so Putin sees that his only two options are to give up and become an iron-fisted dictator of a poor country, like North Korea, or continue pursuing his dream of restoring the Russian empire at all costs. The West might offer Russia a series of steps that would lead to progressively removing the sanctions, and it might even be worth offering Putin safe personal exile (like Napoleon) so he can retire in peace. He probably wouldn't take a quiet retirement, but it doesn't hurt to offer it.

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If you're within about 250km of Ukraine, it'd be a good idea to:
 - Put important files onto optical media, since a nuclear EMP may destroy hard drives and SSDs.
 - Buy potassium iodide tablets. In case of nuclear fallout, adults take 130mg/day. This will help your long-term survival, but will absolutely not make you immune to radiation.
 - If possible, prepare 2 weeks of food and water in case you have to shelter from fallout. An appropriate shelter will put as much matter between you and the outside world as possible, without any direct airflow. Air filtration isn't necessary, but air should not be able to flow freely in from the outside. Fallout will especially accumulate on the ground outside and on roofs, so you want your shelter to be far from those. A basement is good if it's deep enough, but a shallow basement isn't ideal because you're too close to the ground outside. A subway would probably have too much air flowing from outside. The middle floors of a very tall building can be used, staying as far as possible from the exterior walls.

Ancient Kievan lands... 1000 years ago, since before Moscow even existed.

That's not how they would see it. Moscow would have less than 10 minutes to respond if a missile comes from Ukraine. But if a missile comes from Poland or Hungry or whichever countries behind Ukraine, they are able to respond to an attack with enough time.

If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them. That could be the case of course they will have to negotiate again to stop it as they did to Ukraine. This is all drama really, the West doesn't care about Ukraine. What does Ukraine contribute to the US except to deter Russia to have an excuse for the crumbling economy and now we can blame Russia for the inflation. Let's forget about the printing.