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1041  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the things you hate about Islam! on: October 30, 2019, 11:51:05 PM
If transmission was the most cause of people getting affected to AIDS but how it was emerged,it was not there when humanity emerged right.

I am not believing on what others said but I thin this could also be a reason why its prohibited.

Nope. The reason why Islam is harsh on homosexuality is because Islam wanted to create a cult which had the largest number possible of male babies, because that would give them the largest armies. Eliminating types of sex that do not produce babies is one obvious way to get to that point, but other means are detailed in your "Holy Books."

Rape, taking of slave women, multiple wives by the rich old men. With all the local women taken by the old rich men force the young men to go to other countries and take women.

It is what it is.

+1

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.
1042  Other / Politics & Society / Re: POPULATION on: October 30, 2019, 05:39:17 PM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.


Exactly, Population Control is necessary! And in order to make it possible, government should impose strict laws (such as having a maximum of two children per family) and have a regular check on per family birth rate!
The offenders should be punished in a form of hefty fine!
This infact has been under implementation in a few countries. In my country, this failed miserly, government forced vasectomy after second child and impulsively, the public got furious and started anti-government rallies. This forced government to take the rule back.
Vasectomy was a bad solution, a heavy fine might also not be sufficient, what else could we think of?

Changing taxation laws to discourage having kids might work.  Instead, most politicians want more growth and higher birth rates.  Maybe not in Africa, China or India, but in the West that is the case.  Instead of getting rebates, tax credits for having kids, the government should impose additional taxes on families that have kids.  

Education, and some other forms of persuasion to move away from the traditional "spread and multiply" mantra to "find other ways to achieve fulfillment in life" might actually work.

Changing behavior is a difficult thing to do.
1043  Other / Politics & Society / Re: POPULATION on: October 30, 2019, 04:10:31 PM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

Many think we will be out potable water and food when we reach 10 billion.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation


We are barely starting with the technology that can take care of, say, 100 billion. DickDuckGo search on "graphene water filtration" as an example.

Cool

100 billion on this planet?  Hmm, I don't see how.
1044  Other / Politics & Society / Re: POPULATION on: October 30, 2019, 02:34:13 PM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

Many think we will be out potable water and food when we reach 10 billion.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation

Arable land is already a problem.

I think we will muddle through until 15 billion or thereabouts.   Technological advancements in water purification, desalination, food production will be offset by population rebalancing (from poor, high birth rates to developed, low birth rates countries), and a subsequent spike in energy consumption and an increase in pollution. This will also put pressure on the global population growth rate, which will create more problems as it will decrease the doubling time.

If you want to see what the world will look like in 70 years, take a look at the top 12 dirtiest cities in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-polluted_cities_by_particulate_matter_concentration

This is what Zaozhuang (40th most polluted city) looks like:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-polluted-cities-in-the-world-ranked/14/

Pollution is the biggest threat to the human race, water, land are not far behind, IMHO.  Many people in the developed countries, including people who control the world, ignore the signs because in the West we have a pretty good standard of living and everything is hunky-dory.
1045  Other / Politics & Society / Re: POPULATION on: October 30, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.
1046  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed! on: October 30, 2019, 02:45:40 AM
You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.


You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?
I'm a Thor believer. Which would you prefer, a Zeusium or a Thorium reactor?

I live in the country so I would have to go with Yum Kaax. LOL.
1047  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 30, 2019, 01:49:07 AM

The number of Atheists is not correct.  

There are more than 138 million Atheists in China alone.
...

Probably just a difference in counting methodology or limiting the definition of atheism to only hard atheism. It can make a large difference in the numbers for this kind of question. For example recently (2017), Pew found that only 3 percent of Americans say they are atheists. However the same study found that a much larger group — around 9 percent — said they do not believe in God or a universal spirit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/4/13/15258496/american-atheists-how-many

More like not counting methodology.

There were 61% of "convinced Atheists" in China in 2015 as per Gallup poll:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

That is a lot more than the reported 10+ million (3%) in the US.

According to global Win-Gallup International studies, in 2017, 9% of the global population was in the "convinced Atheist" category:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

That is more like 700 million, not 138 as reported in the article you posted.  I suspect the author of the article lowered the numbers not to cause panic among Christian readers.  

Christianity gets more followers in poor countries, where average IQ is low, the education system is of poor quality or non-existent,
countries in Africa, Latin America are good examples.

On the other hand, in developed countries, the US, Canada, Japan, European countries the numbers fall and Atheism is on the rise.

It just proves my earlier point that religions will die eventually once people become more educated.


1048  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 29, 2019, 07:58:30 PM

There are millions of Americans getting away from the religions of their parents and grandparents every year.  There are probably a few people doing exactly that as I type this post.
...
Ancient cults: 0
Science: 1

See you in the movies.

Not Quite

Christianity Booming, Atheism Declining around the World, Report Says
https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/christianity-booming-atheism-declining-around-the-world-report-says.html
Quote from: Michael Foust
The headlines might declare that Christianity is declining in the United States, but new research shows it’s growing faster than the population around the world – and atheism and agnosticism are on a gradual decline.

The 2019 Status of Global Christianity report shows there were 2.5 billion Christians in the world as of mid-2019 – a major increase from the 1.98 billion Christians in 2000 and more than double the number of Christians (1.2 billion) in 1970. Christianity is growing worldwide at a rate of 1.27 percent each year and outpacing population growth (1.20 percent) – and is booming in Africa (2.37 percent), Asia (2.79 percent) and Latin America (2.29 percent).

By comparison, there were 138 million atheists around the world in mid-2019 – slightly more than the 137 million in 2000 but less than the 165 million in 1970. Atheism’s annual growth (.04 percent) is less than that of the population, and the number of atheists worldwide is projected to decline to 132 million in 2025.

Agnosticism and those affiliated with the “nonreligionists” category also are on the descent, according to the report.

The Status of Global Christianity report is released by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.

A Pew Research Center study this month showed the percentage of American adults who call themselves Christian has declined the past decade, from 77 percent to 65 percent, while the percentage of U.S. adults who identify as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular” has risen from 17 percent to 26 percent in that same span.

Globally, though, the data is opposite of the Pew data, according to the Status of Global Christianity report.

There were 716 million agnostics in the world as of mid-2019, but by 2025 that is projected to fall to 707 million. Nonreligionists numbered 854 million this year but are expected to fall to 839 million by 2025.

Much of Christianity’s growth is due to its surge in other continents. Africa (119 million) and Asia (160 million) each have more Christians than North America (100 million).

Among Christian traditions, evangelicalism (2.19 percent) and Pentecostalism/charismatic Christianity (2.26 percent) are growing faster than Protestantism (1.61 percent) and Roman Catholicism (1.02 percent).

Christianity: 1
Scientism: 0

The number of Atheists is not correct.  There are more than 138 million Atheists in China alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

It is fair to assume that the rest of the article is pure apologetics' bullshit.

About 16% of people are nonreligious
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion
1049  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 29, 2019, 06:21:59 PM

There isn't any "without religion." Nobody can get away from religion. ...

There are millions of Americans getting away from the religions of their parents and grandparents every year.  There are probably a few people doing exactly that as I type this post.

https://www.beliefnet.com/news/why-are-americans-turning-away-from-religion.aspx

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/atheism-fastest-growing-religion-us/598843/

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/6/4/18644764/church-religion-atheism-secularism

And what is going to happen in the next 20-30 years:

https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/young-adults-around-the-world-are-less-religious-by-several-measures/

Ancient cults: 0
Science: 1

See you in the movies.

Your links don't say anything about people moving away from religion. All they talk about is people changing religion. Often people move away from a religion that has God in it simply because they don't understand how God pervades the whole of the universe, macro to micro. Where do they move? To a religion without a formal god... like atheism. But maybe Buddhism or Hinduism, where if there are gods, they are understood way less than God in Christianity or Allah in Islam.

Cool

So we are back to word definitions?  What is new?  Is English your second language?

https://www.google.com/search?q=religion

BTW, the articles say exactly that.  Americans are leaving religion in droves.
1050  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 29, 2019, 05:25:13 PM

Why do I even bother?  I am guessing you don't know much except that Jesus is your king. LOL.

Oh, we know quite a bit about our origins, and nothing matches your fairy tale.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/world/human-origins-botswana-scn-trnd/index.html

You don't need logic to make your worldview coherent, magic and ancient myths is all you need.

Good luck.  I am done.  You 'win'.


That's a good question. Why do you bother? Knowing Jesus as my King places me way above you in knowledge. But since you can't get this into your head, why do you bother?

All that stuff that you suggest is knowledge about our origins - NOW GET THIS - when you look at the actual writings by the actual scientific investigators, they all say that they THINK that this is the way it is. You are basing your beliefs on the kinds of "knowledge" that has proven over and over in the past to be faulty. And they say it because they don't say that this is the way it was, rather they say that they think that this is the way it was.

I am, however, glad that you have a religion... even if it is that religion. It is a starting point for you. There is still chance that you will remember my and CoinCube's words when you are so low that you want to commit suicide. And maybe, just maybe, you will wake up to salvation.

Cool

Maybe because I care about people, and because I care about what is actually true.  Take care, my friend.

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg

There isn't any "without religion." Nobody can get away from religion. ...

There are millions of Americans getting away from the religions of their parents and grandparents every year.  There are probably a few people doing exactly that as I type this post.

https://www.beliefnet.com/news/why-are-americans-turning-away-from-religion.aspx

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/atheism-fastest-growing-religion-us/598843/

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/6/4/18644764/church-religion-atheism-secularism

And what is going to happen in the next 20-30 years:

https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/young-adults-around-the-world-are-less-religious-by-several-measures/

Ancient cults: 0
Science: 1

See you in the movies.
1051  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the things you hate about Islam! on: October 29, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
...
Reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.
...

Maybe wealthy eugenicists are 'nature's way' of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.  That's actually a justification they use for their activities.

As Bertrand Russell said, 'Diet, Injection, and Injunction will be combined at a very early age to produce the type of individuals that the leaders find desirable.'  As one military whitepaper said, 'promotion of homosexuality can be used to limit population growth.'

Now run along and drink your high fructose corn syrup drink out of the estrogen mimicking plastic bottle, eat your soy based foods, drink your fluoridated water.  Go to public school and learn about Heather's two mommies.  Watch a never ending stream of fagotry on free-to-air mainstream media.  And most importantly, don't forget to get ALL of your government mandated 'vaccinations'.



Do you think you can be turned into a homosexual?  Do you think a homosexual can be turned into a straight man?
If you think there is a way, post it.  I really would like to know.

I think you would be wasting money on such 'promotions'.  It is like pissing in the wind.

It would be nice if it worked, as we need to get the global population growth to near zero. 

Sexuality is something people are born with. It can't be converted or something. It's not religion. It's not your mobile phone that you can change whenever you feel like.

And even, if in future, it's possible to artificially interfere with genes and those, it would be absolute immoral to change someone's fundamental identity.

Really? Turning people into gays using scientific methods to reduce population? Are you a troll and trolling here? You know there are contraceptives which can be used for population control?

I think this conversation got way off-topic. 
From the nonsense in the Quran and its homophobia to ways to control the population growth.

I wanted to talk about why people hate (and should hate) Islam, but I was trolled by some of you to homophobia in the animal kingdom, to ways to promote homosexual behaviors, and now you with contraceptives as a solution to the world's population growth. LOL.

Are you sure you are not trolling this thread?
1052  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the things you hate about Islam! on: October 29, 2019, 12:28:23 AM
...
As Bertrand Russell said, 'Diet, Injection, and Injunction will be combined at a very early age to produce the type of individuals that the leaders find desirable.'  As one military whitepaper said, 'promotion of homosexuality can be used to limit population growth.'

Now run along and drink your high fructose corn syrup drink out of the estrogen mimicking plastic bottle, eat your soy based foods, drink your fluoridated water.  Go to public school and learn about Heather's two mommies.  Watch a never ending stream of fagotry on free-to-air mainstream media.  And most importantly, don't forget to get ALL of your government mandated 'vaccinations'.


Do you think you can be turned into a homosexual?  Do you think a homosexual can be turned into a straight man?
If you think there is a way, post it.  I really would like to know.

Sure.  Babies start out as a single cell and develop from there.  At birth they are highly undeveloped and that development proceeds in various ways well past puberty in into early adulthood.  It is well known that there are many techniques which can manipulate this development process.

A basic understanding of endocrinology (hormones) was obtained around the turn of the century, and the 'leading scientists' of the day were ga-ga about the possibilities.  That's reflected in a lot of the science 'fiction' of the day.  The Huxleys were sort of cross-over between 'fiction' and hard science.  Russell was more on the straight-up science end of the spectrum.

Long before that political/religious leaders figured out if the started fucking kids, the kids would be all fucked up psychologically (and often homosexual, sadistic, etc) and would make good political/religious leaders who would repeat the cycle.

In short, human sexuality is highly malleable in the development phases.  That's not to say that there isn't a fair bit of natural variation as well.  Some guys, for instance, will turn out as queer as a three-dollar-bill no matter what their upbrining.  Others could be molested weekly in church and turn out to be perfectly straight.  Most people are in the mushy middle and infant/childhood experiances have a pretty big influence on how they turn out.

It would be nice if it worked, as we need to get the global population growth to near zero. 

You have scientists actively working on techniques.

You have science fiction writers writing books about it.

You have an abundance of prima fascie evidence that social and biological methods are in use.

You have obvious evidence that the techniques are effective in the numbers which you can see at the street level without even needing to do a data dive into the research.

You have people like yourself who are totally cool with the idea of making people gay to solve the 'overpopulation problem'.

In spite of all that it's a 'tinfoil hat conspiracy theory' that anything like that is actually happening.  I would say that 'sexuality' is hardly the only thing being actively manipulated.  Basic logic and analytical ability has also suffered greatly.



Still, hard to believe that this is actually possible.
But I am open to any evidence.
1053  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 29, 2019, 12:23:33 AM

Why do I even bother?  I am guessing you don't know much except that Jesus is your king. LOL.

Oh, we know quite a bit about our origins, and nothing matches your fairy tale.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/world/human-origins-botswana-scn-trnd/index.html

You don't need logic to make your worldview coherent, magic and ancient myths is all you need.

Good luck.  I am done.  You 'win'.


That's a good question. Why do you bother? Knowing Jesus as my King places me way above you in knowledge. But since you can't get this into your head, why do you bother?

All that stuff that you suggest is knowledge about our origins - NOW GET THIS - when you look at the actual writings by the actual scientific investigators, they all say that they THINK that this is the way it is. You are basing your beliefs on the kinds of "knowledge" that has proven over and over in the past to be faulty. And they say it because they don't say that this is the way it was, rather they say that they think that this is the way it was.

I am, however, glad that you have a religion... even if it is that religion. It is a starting point for you. There is still chance that you will remember my and CoinCube's words when you are so low that you want to commit suicide. And maybe, just maybe, you will wake up to salvation.

Cool

Maybe because I care about people, and because I care about what is actually true.  Take care, my friend.

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg
1054  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the things you hate about Islam! on: October 28, 2019, 11:35:21 PM
...
Reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.
...

Maybe wealthy eugenicists are 'nature's way' of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.  That's actually a justification they use for their activities.

As Bertrand Russell said, 'Diet, Injection, and Injunction will be combined at a very early age to produce the type of individuals that the leaders find desirable.'  As one military whitepaper said, 'promotion of homosexuality can be used to limit population growth.'

Now run along and drink your high fructose corn syrup drink out of the estrogen mimicking plastic bottle, eat your soy based foods, drink your fluoridated water.  Go to public school and learn about Heather's two mommies.  Watch a never ending stream of fagotry on free-to-air mainstream media.  And most importantly, don't forget to get ALL of your government mandated 'vaccinations'.



Do you think you can be turned into a homosexual?  Do you think a homosexual can be turned into a straight man?
If you think there is a way, post it.  I really would like to know.

I think you would be wasting money on such 'promotions'.  It is like pissing in the wind.

It would be nice if it worked, as we need to get the global population growth to near zero. 
1055  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the things you hate about Islam! on: October 28, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
Looks like you did not read the Quran.  But what is new.  You were born into it, you don't need to read it.

BTW, Jihad means struggle.  In the context of Islam, it means the struggle to achieve religious world dominance.  
If you were Arab you would know that.

10% of sheep are gay, 22% are bisexual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals


Yes its true that I didn't even read Quran completely,but it is important to be an Muslim? I am not sure about it.

What I read Jihad means extreme love.Yes I am not an Arab.

Interesting fact about gay animals,something new for me.So humans were allowed to being homosexual in your view? But since the beginning of living organism in this world,we see most important factor of their life is reproduction. Cheesy

We were not 'allowed' to be homosexual.  Some of us just are.  Scientists are still working on it to figure out why that is.

Reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.
This, of course, does not mean much because in the current day and age, with all the technological advancements, we are already interfering with the natural selection. Gay men can be biological fathers and gay women can be biological mothers.  Weaklings that 50,000 years ago would die before the would see their 10th birthday, are running multinational corporations, go through multiple marriages and happily reproduce. So the natural selection is not so natural anymore.

Use google if you are not sure about the meaning of words in English.  Jihad means a struggle.  It can be a physical or spiritual struggle.  In Arabic, it means holy war. Some Muslims recognize it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Whoever told you it is love did not know much about Islam.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jihad


"the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin",This is an another meaning from the google itself,so it means they have to be against the sin not only related to islam.

Google itself man made and can be manipulated as how zuch wants. Grin

There is no sixth pillar,only five pillars were told by messenger,if people thinks it as then they are mislead for human benefits.

Just scroll down to Shia Islam, middle of the page, they have 12, Jihad is #6. They call them 'practices'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

1056  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the things you hate about Islam! on: October 28, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Looks like you did not read the Quran.  But what is new.  You were born into it, you don't need to read it.

BTW, Jihad means struggle.  In the context of Islam, it means the struggle to achieve religious world dominance.  
If you were Arab you would know that.

10% of sheep are gay, 22% are bisexual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals


Yes its true that I didn't even read Quran completely,but it is important to be an Muslim? I am not sure about it.

What I read Jihad means extreme love.Yes I am not an Arab.

Interesting fact about gay animals,something new for me.So humans were allowed to being homosexual in your view? But since the beginning of living organism in this world,we see most important factor of their life is reproduction. Cheesy

We were not 'allowed' to be homosexual.  Some of us just are.  Scientists are still working on it to figure out why that is.

Reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.
This, of course, does not mean much because in the current day and age, with all the technological advancements, we are already interfering with the natural selection. Gay men can be biological fathers and gay women can be biological mothers.  Weaklings that 50,000 years ago would die before the would see their 10th birthday, are running multinational corporations, go through multiple marriages and happily reproduce. So the natural selection is not so natural anymore.

Use google if you are not sure about the meaning of words in English.  Jihad means a struggle.  It can be a physical or spiritual struggle.  In Arabic, it means holy war. Some Muslims recognize it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Whoever told you it is love did not know much about Islam.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jihad

1057  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 28, 2019, 10:48:15 PM

What makes you think that:
1. Eve was created?;
2. The making of Eve was an afterthought?;
3. Adam was created?;
4. Adam originally had a penis and testicles?.

You really need to dig into it to see that what you say is assumptions.

Cool

I don't think any of the stuff Bible says happened, actually happened.  
But I am just pointing out the nonsensical part of the Christian creation story so that people like you can examine it for themselves.

1. Genesis 2:22 - God made a woman from Adam's rib bone

2. Genesis 2:7 - God made man from dirt
    Genesis 2:19 - God made different beasts as a companion for man, Adam rejected them all
    Genesis 2:22 - Then God created a woman from Adam's rib bone

The chronology provided in the Bible suggests that God after creating a man, thought it would a good idea to create a companion for him, but was not sure what creature man would like, so he started creating all kinds of animals then after all were rejected by Adam, out of the blue, he decided that he can form a woman from Adam's rib bone.  Eve was way down on the list of afterthoughts. LOL.

3. Genesis 2:7 - made man from dirt
4. Adam was created as a man.  All men have penises and testicles.

Anyway, keep reading it maybe eventually you will get it, that the Bible was written by a primitive, uneducated person who thought that life can be breathed into inanimate objects.

Just read this book for once and think for yourself. Logical inconsistencies are all over this book.

1. That's why He is God. Way advanced even over the ability of man to even think, to say nothing about what man can do.

2A. People still are made from all the materials found in the ground... dirt.
2B. All right. So only you don't have a pet dog or cat or goldfish or parakeet. Notice that Adam didn't reject them. He even named them.
2C. See "1" above.

God doesn't think the way we do, so nobody can know that the chronology suggests anything that we might think. The man was perfect at that time. His thinking was good enough for him to determine on his own that he needed a different companion besides the animals... one greater than the animals... more like himself. No afterthought after all. Simply a progression of events.

3. See "2A" above.

4. At the time of his creation, Adam was perfect. This means that we don't know what he was like, because there has never been anyone other than Adam and Eve who was perfect (except Jesus, of course. And traditions says that Jesus didn't have any children.). We have no model of perfection to see what perfection in a human is like. We don't know that a perfect man would have penis and testicles. Keep on guessing.

The Bible was written by people who were more intelligent than people of today. How do we know? Only devolution since the past. Moses, who wrote the things listed above, was a prince of Egypt, with access to writings from the Beginning... writings that have long since crumbled to dust. You are one of the great pieces of evidence of devolution. You are almost too ignorant to recognize that you (like all humans) are a religious being.

Cool

Why do I even bother?  I am guessing you don't know much except that Jesus is your king. LOL.

Oh, we know quite a bit about our origins, and nothing matches your fairy tale.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/world/human-origins-botswana-scn-trnd/index.html

You don't need logic to make your worldview coherent, magic and ancient myths is all you need.

Good luck.  I am done.  You 'win'.
1058  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 28, 2019, 05:20:52 PM

Quite the opposite. In war, a group of soldiers is better than one soldier alone.

You need to get together with some friends who think like you do, and hold weekly services. If you don't, you will ultimately become bitter with your ungodly stance in life.

After all, just because you say that you are not a religious person, people are religious beings, and you can't get away from religion in yourself. As I have said in the past, you simply have a religion of non-religion. Maintain your health by "worshiping" with those who believe as you do. No man is an island.

Cool

Sure man.

I will leave you with one final thought.

If Eve was created as an afterthought, why was Adam created with a penis and testicles?


What makes you think that:
1. Eve was created?;
2. The making of Eve was an afterthought?;
3. Adam was created?;
4. Adam originally had a penis and testicles?.

You really need to dig into it to see that what you say is assumptions.

Cool

I don't think any of the stuff Bible says happened, actually happened.  
But I am just pointing out the nonsensical part of the Christian creation story so that people like you can examine it for themselves.

1. Genesis 2:22 - God made a woman from Adam's rib bone

2. Genesis 2:7 - God made man from dirt
    Genesis 2:19 - God made different beasts as a companion for man, Adam rejected them all
    Genesis 2:22 - Then God created a woman from Adam's rib bone

The chronology provided in the Bible suggests that God after creating a man, thought it would a good idea to create a companion for him, but was not sure what creature man would like, so he started creating all kinds of animals then after all were rejected by Adam, out of the blue, he decided that he can form a woman from Adam's rib bone.  Eve was way down on the list of afterthoughts. LOL.

3. Genesis 2:7 - made man from dirt
4. Adam was created as a man.  All men have penises and testicles.

Anyway, keep reading it maybe eventually you will get it, that the Bible was written by a primitive, uneducated person who thought that life can be breathed into inanimate objects.

Just read this book for once and think for yourself. Logical inconsistencies are all over this book.
1059  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: October 28, 2019, 03:34:08 PM


Enjoy your life a bit.  Relax, nothing bad is going to happen to you because you think Jesus did not actually exist or because you stop going to church and giving them your hard-earned money.


But most of all, nothing bad will happen to you if you stop trying to save someone who is unwilling to be saved.

You have worked at warning him of the deficiencies of his ways, and he has adamantly turned against your warnings.

Somewhere along the line it is time to stop. It's time to move on to the joy of reaching those who want to understand. It's time to encourage your own faith by letting go of the folly of others.

Salvation is for you. Those others who tend to reject their salvation, need to be left behind so that they don't drag you down into their disaster.

Be at peace. Encourage yourself with Bible readings, that the Lord will reward you for trying. Move on to the many who will listen.

Absolutely maintain an open heart for af_newbie just in case he does turn and return to you.

Go in the peace and love and joy of your Lord. Hebrews 12:1b,2:
1bAnd let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

See you there, CoinCube.

Cool

What are you afraid of, BADecker?  Let him think for himself.  He does not need your encouragement.

On many levels, I am pretty sure he does not share your devotion and lack of attention to detail.

Independent thinking is discouraged in your church, isn't it?

Anyway, as you say, may the Lord be with you.


Quite the opposite. In war, a group of soldiers is better than one soldier alone.

You need to get together with some friends who think like you do, and hold weekly services. If you don't, you will ultimately become bitter with your ungodly stance in life.

After all, just because you say that you are not a religious person, people are religious beings, and you can't get away from religion in yourself. As I have said in the past, you simply have a religion of non-religion. Maintain your health by "worshiping" with those who believe as you do. No man is an island.

Cool

Sure man.

I will leave you with one final thought.

If Eve was created as an afterthought, why was Adam created with a penis and testicles?

1060  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed! on: October 28, 2019, 11:37:47 AM
You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.


You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?
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