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2081  Other / Meta / Re: Do you think we need a guideline for DT members from theymos? on: February 05, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
Theymos posted something that could act as guidelines:

- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.

I'm torn on that last point.  There are certainly users on this board who I feel deserve their untrusted rating due to the manner in which they make their posts.  It's not appropriate to give someone negative trust if you disagree with a valid point they've made, but if they make repeated deceptive, dishonest or manipulative points, there should be a warning tied to their account in case some impressionable newbies take their words at face value.  There's a big problem in the world right now with misinformation.  Deliberately spreading misinformation can be construed as untrustworthy behaviour.  If someone feels the appropriate response to that would be best presented in the form of negative trust, it should be up to the individual.  
It is fine to neg. rate people who consistently post false information, e.g. "Bitcoin Cash is the real BTC". I've rated many people for stuff like that, sometimes with explicit approval (IIRC). I think he's mostly referring to things that aren't objectively true/untrue.
2082  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 05, 2019, 08:14:59 PM
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taikuri13
WhiteManWhite
What are these people doing in DT1? Looks like the ruskis have succesfully colluded their way into DT1. Smiley
2083  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 05, 2019, 06:13:46 PM
-snip-
I don't have alternative contact info for BTC_Bear or I'd try contacting him. He was very active on #bitcoin-otc IIRC; maybe someone can try asking nanotube or the other #bitcoin-otc regulars.
Thanks for the input. I've sent messages to some people.

Seems qwk was right about this one.
2084  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof on: February 05, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
From PM
-snip-

After this Lauda's report to Wipro for pure management looks much more realistic.
What am I supposed to decipher out of this? Wipro claims that it's his client?
2085  Economy / Reputation / Re: @Bazinga442: Who or what is ALUU? on: February 05, 2019, 02:18:07 PM
I believe he is referring to the old combination:
Atriz
Lauda
Untold

2086  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Tokensuite.io and Bountysuite.io - Fraudulent/Scam Platforms | Discussion Thread on: February 05, 2019, 02:13:51 PM
Back in May 17th last year I remember making this thread and PMing Needmoney to respond to the accusation more than once. However they are least bothered to look into such topics and are more interested in making money off ICO teams by these unethical methods to do ANN shill bumping and miscalculations of bounty stakes as they did in the Sprintx ICO bounty campaign:

[Unethical]Bounty Team Tokensuite Misleading Token Calculations Sprintx

Leaving it here because it might be worth importance.  Smiley
That link was already in the thread, but the hyperlink had a different text. The compilation of links from that thread might also be useful:

Quote
2087  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should projects that knowingly employ proven untrustworthy individuals be viewed on: February 05, 2019, 01:55:36 PM
Yes, I'm strongly inclined to tag anyone who knowingly hires frauds/scammers - although each case would have to be reviewed independently. e.g. a BH accepting a translator which was already tagged as fraudulent.
I am pleased to hear you say that Lauda.
I forgot to say that I did not vote because I don't agree with the biased reasoning on either option. The poll should not have any 'because' but rather 'Yes vs. No' and let people elaborate themselves.
2088  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should projects that knowingly employ proven untrustworthy individuals be viewed on: February 05, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
Yes, I'm strongly inclined to tag anyone who knowingly hires frauds/scammers - although each case would have to be reviewed independently. e.g. a BH accepting a translator which was already tagged as fraudulent.
2089  Other / Meta / Re: grin is now accepted for forum payments on: February 05, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
Can you stop shilling the shitcoin Nano here? It's one of the worst things invented in recent years (out of those that have the highest marketcaps). If this turns out to be a coordinated shilling attempt, maybe it's time to kick Nano completely out of the forum. It is off-topic anyways.
2090  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof on: February 05, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
Which is irrelevant to me.
Just in case, to warn that I'm not affiliated with Wipro. Sorry if it's off-top.
That's fine; you should point out these things especially if your gut tells you that someone may be trying to set you up now or sometime in the future.
2091  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof on: February 05, 2019, 12:36:27 PM
I guess I'm involved in this too, today scammer Wirpo sent me merit on this post.
Which is irrelevant to me.

Personnellement, je n'ai encore rien entendu.
What is this? Roll Eyes
Well. It sounds French, but it smells like Google Translation.  I wouldn't say anything about promoting ICOs and management, but this whole topic is a joke just to bump the ANN (I wasn't a mod at the time otherwise the topic wouldn't have made 2 days).
No surprise there. Thanks for checking it out.
2092  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Tokensuite.io and Bountysuite.io - Fraudulent/Scam Platforms | Discussion Thread on: February 05, 2019, 11:50:40 AM
I don't think theymos should involved with this matter. Because as well you know also scam isn't moderated by forum so we can't ask theymos to ban them and blacklist website. But DT members could stop them advertise their website on this forum lik did about DuckDice. If theymos ban them and blacklist website then many more website will be subject to blacklist.

Let's see others opinions about that.
You are completely wrong. ANN bumping on a large scale is permanently bannable, and this may be the largest scale bumping (from a single source) that we've indentified so far (or at least in recent times). Staff must absolutely get involved.
2093  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Tokensuite.io and Bountysuite.io - Fraudulent/Scam Platforms | Discussion Thread on: February 05, 2019, 10:46:59 AM
They have one more website: https://tokendrops.com/
and at least 2 more profiles:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675456

and one more with the letter S as the First letter of the name but I don't remember it
Added, archived, tagged. Thanks.
2094  Economy / Scam Accusations / Tokensuite.io and Bountysuite.io - Fraudulent/Scam Platforms | Discussion Thread on: February 05, 2019, 10:10:42 AM
Note to moderators: This is not a scam accusation (despite the title); a scam accusation already exists I believe (or it is in the reputation section). I'm posting it in this thread for the sake of discussion/research; they're already a proven scam thus no need to "accuse" them of anything.

Tl;dr: Tokensuite.io and bountysuite.com are scam platforms that overcharge clients for fraudulent marketing -> they create fake marketing buzz via ANN bumping, Telegram spam and more.



What happened: Fraudulent bounty management offering; offering bot boosting on Bitcointalk and probably other sites as well.
Scammers Profile Link: needmoney, olcaytu2005, radnom, psy0, probably more.
Previous accusation(s): Running a fraudulent bounty - [Unethical]Bounty Team Tokensuite Misleading Token Calculations Sprintx [Proven]
Reference Link: Tokensuite.io archived: https://archive.fo/Q3dMC; Bountysuite.io archived: https://archive.fo/ANQtv; Tokendrops.com archived: https://archive.fo/q134n.

I've looked into their scam platform again after I've randomly received the following PM from one of their accounts:


Proof of offering "bumping services":



Known threads which were bumped:
[ANN][ICO] CrowdForce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032793.0 [Proven - See screenshots] - Archive: https://archive.fo/RGDzb
[ANN] BtcEX - Built for Security, Transparency and Liquidity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5083960.0 [Proven - Same accounts from the above]



Everyone involved in this scam:





Archived in case that they try to hide something: https://web.archive.org/web/20190204105240/http://tokensuite.io/about.html

Note: I've had no interaction with any member of this scam myself in any way or form between the time that I've received the PM and made this thread.
Credits: Credits go to an anonymous source that forwarded me the messages (forwards can't be doctored trivially like screenshots can). If either platform acts malliciously and retaliates against the source, then actions against them should be elevated (i.e. they should be at least permanently banned; and maybe legal action should be taken if someone is a fan of that).
Note 2: While forwards can't be doctored, the person creating a screenshot of the forward can doctor the image. If anyone questions the validity of the screenshots that I've taken, then they can contact me on TG and request a forward (although anyone who is familiar with me knows that this would just be a small waste of time).

Local-self mod. rule: Nobody who has been excluded from my trust list (mostly whiny/untrustworthy trolls) is allowed to post (this includes Quickseller, OgNasty, cryptohunter, TECSHARE, the hacked VIP account, and many more). Even if your comment is constructive I will delete it (as well as any posts quoting these replies), so don't waste your time.

Questions/TODO
I partially believe that this is also a Meta issue. If some services are doing this on large scale (they are probably not informing clients that this is not allowed, and wrong), then maybe theymos should blacklist them and remove anything related to them that comes up. I don't see any other way of preventing this on such a scale.
Additionally, every ANN thread of every project that they have ever worked with has to be analized. I currently lack the time required to go through all them otherwise I would have already listed the results here.
All clients:
https://i.imgur.com/Z8gi9w3.png
https://i.imgur.com/r45rLWl.png
https://i.imgur.com/nQay1Gn.png
https://i.imgur.com/3qIJmi9.png
https://i.imgur.com/hANBtVI.png

2095  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should the UK return the Venezuelan gold? on: February 05, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Don't excuse the evils of a dictatorship.
I didn't. Don't excuse the US dictatorship either.
Maduro is far better than the CIA spy that the US sent. A lot of the trouble that Venezuela is in now is not due to Maduro's faulty policies, but due to all the sanctions that the US war-machine set upon them. I could never understand how someone could say they are proud to be American. Roll Eyes
2096  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 05, 2019, 09:52:28 AM
-snip-
But if the terms says no KYC then asking for the KYC is not following the terms which is not right practice.
Any business can request you to verify yourself when money is involved with or without KYC in their terms. Is it something I agree? No, I despise KYC and AML but it is just the way that things are now.

True.
So how you are going to handle it?
I'm going to wait for Cloudbet to respond publicly here (hopefully) and then re-evaluate. Obviously if they ignore their accusation for a longer amount of time, then I'll tag them.

I've just noticed that they've received several tags already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563
2097  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Overview of Bounty Managers on: February 05, 2019, 09:42:41 AM
Can you remove BlockEye already? You are essentially advertising a red tagged member here which is shady as is unless handled IMO.
BlockEye removed thanks for the information.

Checking all the listed managers, managers that has a red tag from dt's will be removed quickly.
Thank you. The grumpy response was due to you ignoring this the first time around:

Why are some people listed in the poll but not in the thread? Pardon me, just found this today. More notably, why is this guy still listed:

Name: BlockEye
Rank: Legendary
Portfolio:
Reputation: ? ? ?: -2 / +7
Contact: Telegram
While trust ratings generally don't tell you anything about the skill of a BM (bounty hunters are much more likely to leave positive ratings on a BM who doesn't do proper checks; and BMs don't get trust for any related activities otherwise), this one seems to be a clear case of abusing a number of things (unfortunately). Undecided

I have another suggestion: Improve the structure the OP using tables if you have the time.
2098  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 05, 2019, 09:38:59 AM
If a casino is really complicant, asking for KYC for insane amounts is nothing unusual.
Yes they can. I read somewhere that they do not require KYC. In that case, they can not ask for it.
Of course they can. e.g. Binance doesn't require KYC either (up to 2 BTC in their case), but try withdrawing 100 BTC day 1 and see whether that is possible.

OP could have the valid KYC
= couldbet verify it using whichever tools they have and know that it's valid but they hide the truth
How are you going to justify this?
Third party verifies KYC -> Cloudbet ruined.
2099  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 05, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
-snip-
That could be the case... if Cloudbet wasn’t already being accused by a member of stealing his 38BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105084.0
I read the 2nd link provided by the OP and found several cases of not paying big amounts. Every time they are creating excuses to pay the big amounts. Some times KYC, sometimes multiple accounts etc.
If a casino is really complicant, asking for KYC for insane amounts is nothing unusual. Many see this as a crypto laundering machine, and once they are unable to withdraw without KYC then they complain that the casino is a scam. Roll Eyes
2100  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CLOUDBET IS SCAM! They are not paying for winning bets! on: February 05, 2019, 09:18:24 AM
-snip-
I can’t wait to see Ronnie’s response on this. Lol. In other words the country of Russia doesn’t allow cloudbet to be accessed so cloudbet tells people in Russia to use vpn so they can bet? HAHA

In other words cloudbet knows Russian citizens are using VPN and have been taking bets from them? This gets funnier by the minute.
That's nothing new, nothing funny and not something that is done only by Cloudbet. If you are smart enough, you don't need someone else telling you how to avoid geo-restrictions anyways.
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