You could argue Bitcoin is run by miners, or "regulated". Using regulated very loosely. But fiat currency has a value provided by the government. Bitcoin has no set value. It's value of course is determined by the users who trade and use it, but it's far from governmental regulation.
FIAT is also affected by offer/demand between other FIAT currencies. Bitcoin is not run or regulated by miners, they work for the network and get a reward from it. They have no power over it. The emission curve and rules of BTC was decided by Satoshi and no one can change it, no even him. |
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at least 100, with a value of 10k each
Agree. I would go for 100 BTC if you want to live comfortably. I would take about 1 to 3 years to get that amount. Anyone can do it. Not anyone. There's no fucking way 99% of joes out there can risk 21850 USD in hopes bitcoin reaches 10K... The average Joe will never have any retirement and will die working like a slave (he deserves it, he voted for that system). The Bitcoiner can afford to invest 7K per year because he knows there is no better plan even if it could go down to zero. |
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Pourquoi c'était un putain d'arnaqueur ?
Tu veux dire qu'il créait du faux volume sur sa plateforme ou quoi ?
Il a fait de nombreux scams avérés mais les manipulations de cours+volume ce n'était pas forcément lui et c'est difficile a prouver. |
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What exchanges do you recommend ?
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I speechless "intrinsic value" means.
See: The value of any money or commodity is affected by offer/demand. The use of a commodity is just a parameter in offer/demand among many others.
It means that : Intrinsic value doesn't make the market value. |
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It seems to me that many bitcoin proponents use the word "fiat" to describe central bank issued fiat currency, but don't use the word to describe Bitcoin.
In my opinion, Bitcoin is the ultimate fiat currency, since it has no inherent value (you can can't use it for anything other than paying someone else bitcoin). It is a currency issued by "decree" through a protocol enforcing a consensus of users and miners.
If bitcoin is not fiat, can you really call it a commodity currency? If the argument is that is a commodity in the sense that it valuable a currency, one could also say that USD has commodity value in that its only guaranteed value is that it can be used to pay taxes and keep an American taxpayer out of jail for failure to do so.
The value of any money or commodity is affected by offer/demand. The use of a commodity is just a parameter in offer/demand among many others. Both USD and BTC are backed by the economy around it (=people using it to exchange things). The supply of USD is strongly affected by a group of people (government) but not in Bitcoin. The number of miners doesn't affect the emission curve, no miner can change the max number of units. Miners do not create Bitcoin, they work for the network and get a reward. |
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Here is the problem. If someone is unable to separate reality from a virtual reality, they can't make the distinction between a virtual commodity and a real commodity. I believe this is an actual documented psychiatric disorder. There is no point in debating further, It would be as pointless as continuing to argue with a delusional religious fanatic.
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Salut, Grosse update : GetGems developer update - android build 2.1.7(410) 1. Our major concern during the last two weeks is improving Counterparty stability. We currently rely on Counterparty servers in order to perform tasks like opening a new wallet, sending coins, etc. The Counterparty dev team updates their servers and API very frequently and these changes aren't always backwards compatible. Then we suddenly find ourselves with broken API and rushing to publish fixes because important features suddenly stop working. Our plan of action is to launch a cluster of our own XCP nodes (they are open-source after all) and rely on them instead. This way, we will control the rate of updates and can make any updates to our client before the servers change. We have successfully set up a staging environment for this and will soon after some QA deploy it to production as well. 2. We finished development for unsolicited user support - meaning the ability to search the global user database of GetGems users according to their GetGems username and start a conversation with them without knowing their phone number. [In the future, our model dictates that sending unsolicited messages to users who don’t necessarily want to receive them, will cost GEMZ (this is part of the attention economy model)]. 3. We are thinking of ways to increase our user base and make the GetGems app more viral. The first method we're working on is handling sending of coins (GEMZ/BTC) to contacts who don't have the GetGems app (they are using a regular Telegram client). These users will receive a Telegram message saying that their contact is trying to send coins and they have to download the app in order to collect them (download link added). This feature is currently in QA. 4. Another very exciting feature we're working on is integration with an amazing 3rd party sticker provider. This opt out feature will display context-aware stickers during chat (even animated GIFs) which makes chatting through GetGems much more visual and fun. When these special chat messages are sent to users who don't have a supporting client (like the GetGems client), they'll receive a message urging them to download the GetGems app in order to see the content of the message. We are currently in the middle of the integration phase which we expect to be finished within less than week. 5. We currently allow several GetGems accounts to be opened on the same phone number (useful in case somebody loses the passphrase and has to open a new account). This behavior causes an inconsistency when sending coins to users by text message, in case the receiving user has opened several different accounts (wallets) on the same phone number - which wallet should receive the coins? We altered the current behavior to send the coins to the latest account but this fix is temporary. We're working on a more robust solution where the receiving user will provide the sending user with the current wallet that is in use by their app. PS : Vous avez besoin d'une traduction ou c'est bon ? PS : OP updated |
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Lets say I want to buy bitcoins today and store them for 20 years to use a my retirement fund. Live comfortably, but don't need to buy a yacht or anything. How many do you think I would need to buy?
A lot of replies, but this does look like a vague question. The answer completely depends on the price of bitcoin. It may vary a lot, and hard to say what the value will be over 20 years. best to retire with a fiat value. lol you cannot retire with FIAT nowadays. It is affected by strong deflation and economic instability and is backed by nothing. Retirement plans are scams. With FIAT you can only work to survive. We shall stop thinking in FIAT terms. |
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at least 100, with a value of 10k each
Agree. I would go for 100 BTC if you want to live comfortably. I would take about 1 to 3 years to get that amount. Anyone can do it. |
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Just look at the news. Greenspan just said Greece will go out of the euro for sure.
They were parasyte in EU from the very start. I really dont see the point of allowing them to join in the first place,but fine.. Euro strenght is often shaken by examples like Greece, and now with them leaving i have no doubt eur will get stronger. As far as op title is concerned; NO, eur will never be under usd, it makes no sence, because eu is showing iniciative on too many levels to drop down in currency value ~25% The very idea is disturbing.. If they kick Greece, what stops them from kicking Spain? as far as i know the next goverment there is very similar to Syriza. |
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wow Worldcoin... c'est tellement vieux, ça rappelle des souvenirs.
C'était une crypto que je tradais sur mcxnow.com quand la plateforme avait été lancé.
Bien sur le gérant de la plateforme était un putain d'arnaqueur et le cours de Worldcoin était hyper manipulé.
lol je viens de voir que mcxnow a fermé et que le gérant demande 50 USD pour retirer les fonds.
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Les dirigeants d'Arabie Saoudite sont en train d'enculer les USA en baissant le prix du baril et ceux ci ne peuvent rien y faire. Comment est ce possible ? Les dirigeants d'Arabie Saoudite ont un pétrole tellement abondant et facile a extraire qu'ils peuvent littéralement inonder le marché et couler la concurrence. La plupart des barils saoudiens coûtent moins de 20 dollars à extraire.D'ici cinq ans, la production de pétrole des pays de l'Opep devrait décliner, faute d'investissements suffisants pour remplacer les vieux champs en voie d'épuisement. Ce n'est pas une agence américaine qui le prédit mais l'Opep elle-même.http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2014/12/23/20002-20141223ARTFIG00165-petrole-l-arabie-saoudite-declare-la-guerre-ouverte-aux-americains.phpIls savent que leur empire aura une fin. Ils amassent le plus d'argent possible et tentent d'emporter dans leur chute le plus de monde possible. |
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Cela n'arrivera jamais, si l'industrie pétrolière US est en danger de mort, les USA demanderont à l'Arabie Saoudite de ralentir la production et mécaniquement les prix remonteront. Le régime saoudien ne tient que par la protection militaire et diplomatique de l'Amérique. Les deux états sont liés par le pacte du Quincy, renouvelé par Bush en 2005. Bien sur en ce moment l'administration Obama n'est pas bien vue des Saoudiens, ce ne sont que des aléas, les républicains reviendront et alors tout s'arrangera. Rien de nouveau sous le soleil. Ne croyez pas les journaleux à deux balles et leurs pseudos analyses du café du commerce. L'enjeu géopolitique dépasse de loin la seule industrie du pétrole.
Ce sont les USA qui dépendent du pétrole de l'Arabie Saoudite et ...voila. Si les USA n’achètent plus a l'Arabie Saoudite, l'Europe, la Chine et les pays émergeants le feront. Il est inenvisageable que l'Arabie Saoudite tombe a court de client et donc a court d'argent... et donc a court d'Armée. Les USA sucent les dirigeant d'Arabie Saoudite, pas le contraire. Les dirigeants d'Arabie Saoudite sont en train d'enculer les USA en baissant le prix du baril et ceux ci ne peuvent rien y faire. |
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ça commence à remuer sur twitter pour les bankruns et la grèce ...  vont-ils interdire les billets euro grecques ?  Ils vont peu être tomber a sec avant même que l'ultimatum arrive a terme. Oups... It was none other than the Eurogroup which late on Friday gave Greece a 10 day ultimatum to cede all demands and resume work under the Bailout program, or face a liquidity collapse and effective expulsion from the Eurozone. Which means suddenly Europe is engaged in the biggest bluff since 2012, as Greece and Europe both desperately try to outbluff each other that the "adversary" need it more than vice versa.
The problem is that Greece may not even have 10 days. As the WSJ reports, "Greece warned it was on course to run out of money within weeks if it doesn’t gain access to additional funds, effectively daring Germany and its other European creditors to let it fail and stumble out of the euro." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-07/greece-gambles-catastrophic-armageddon-europe-warns-it-only-has-weeks-cash-leftEDIT : tres intéressant ce tableau  The problem is that as Merkel understands very well, should she concede to Greece, then she would be expected to concede to Italy, and Spain, and Portugal, and Ireland, and anyone else who came knocking at her door with a loaded gun and threatening to commit suicide. |
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Cette année, je pense que la plupart des exchanges vont commencer à fonctionner en autonomie des banques en utilisant des intermédiaires non-plus bancaires mais ... de fond privés.
Il faudra faire les virements à une personne physique ... différente à chaque fois (tourniquet).
Bitboat travaille déjà comme ça d'ailleurs.
Intéressant. Des sources ? |
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