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2181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Opinions about tetherUSD, coinoUSD, BitShares 2.0 and BitUSD? on: November 09, 2015, 07:42:24 PM
I checked out coinoUSD on poloniex but it seems they have a huge spread there and no volume. So they are useless for me.

Bitshares 1 seems to be run on poloniex, will they update on version 2 soon??

TetherUSD is used on plo directly but the orderbooks are too thin to exchange really there. And i don't see a full relation to the US-Dollar.

I wonder if bitshares 2 are really better and bitusd? Where do they trade best and what is the insurance on bitusd that they can back the value and don't run with the backing?

At the moment it looks to me like only nubits have the low enough spread and good enough filled orderbooks to use it. Though not really in times of crashes or fast rising prices.
2182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: November 09, 2015, 05:21:03 PM
As far as I see it Gavin is desperatly trying to save Bitcoin.

but there is no need to save anything at the moment. so far, bitcoin dealt with problems in a good manner.

Right? Its like these "big blockers nao" are under some Reddit spell, talking about problems that are not problems and promoting some solution that is not a solution anyway.. Huh

I'm always impressed how non big blockers can say with a straight face that there is no problem leaving everything at 1 Megabyt blocks.

Let's say blocks are half full now. What happens when legit transactions are constantly, on average, 150% of 1MB? It would mean that 33% of all valid transactions will never confirm. Can you imagine a currency where 33% of all transactions never confirm and that currency had somehow a chance to survive?

And fee market... you realize that if constantly many legit transactions are waived, then the fees will rise constantly too. There would simply be no end because even if everyone raises their fee, still 33% can't get confirmed. What would happen? 33% of all users who use bitcoin would drop bitcoin. Surely that would be a great day for adoption. Roll Eyes
2183  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: November 09, 2015, 05:08:44 PM
At the same time I think that leaving the cap at 1MB is a bit too paranoid. Even if we raise it to let's say 8MB, we can't make Bitcoin so much more insecure, can't we? But this is still 8x more transactions per second than with 1MB and this would mean a lot for these huge, expensive transfers around the world.

Of course, raising cap illimitlesly and in this way making Bitcoin insecure is out of question.

Remember that upping the blocksize is not the only way to increase the transaction rate, the best approach for solutions to the problem is making better use of the blockchain resource we've already got. Plans for that are more advanced than I hoped, someone (probably Eligius) is already creating version 4 blocks, which means that type of solution is all one step closer to being technically possible.

Sounds interesting and i hear the first time of that. But i did not find any info about. Do you have a link about it?

If the space could be used better then we could safe bandwith and discspace, only the cpu would be used more then.
2184  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: November 09, 2015, 05:06:46 PM
how is he desperate, i saw some interviews on youtube and he actually looks and sounds like a genuine guy who really cares about bitcoin.

How does Hilary/Obama/any other creepy "benevolant dictators" looks like when on Tv? Do you also get the sense that they "genuinly" care about the people?
ya, but all Gavin is trying to do is fix the limit and not let the concept of bitcoin be destroyed. It's not like hes doing it for power, every future decision made for bitcoin doesn't need his approval.
Gavin or not, all i want is >1mb limits.

why? where does this urge comes from? how is bitcoin "broken"?
how do you qualify to express your opinion regarding something that is economically complex and crucially technical?

plz dont tell me the first time you ever heard of this ting is from gavin last year... because its been investigated and monitored since at least 3 years.
ill admit im pretty new to this debate, but doesnt the 7 transactions limit per second worry you?

No it doesn't.

A change to the protocol which reduces the security of the network by killing the fee market does. A change in the protocol that centralizes the mining business because only big players can have low enough latency does. A change in the protocol which kills decentralization of full clients does.

Remember decentralized security of the network and decentralization of transaction verification are the two factors which make the Blockchain (our blockchain) more than just a random *.txt file of transactions some nerds are sending around.

Also remember, we don't need to pay for a coffee with Bitcoin on the Blockchain. The Blockchain is an expensive resource and should be treated as such. It should be dedicated for transactions that need a very high amount of security, otherwise Bitcoin will simply die after the subsidy stops as usage is uneconomical. If Bitcoin could become the global method of choice for preserving and transferring larger block of wealth around the world with a extremely high amount of security and autonomy I will be delighted (not to mention rich as hell).



This is a very correct answer and I agree with you 100%. At the same time I think that leaving the cap at 1MB is a bit too paranoid. Even if we raise it to let's say 8MB, we can't make Bitcoin so much more insecure, can't we? But this is still 8x more transactions per second than with 1MB and this would mean a lot for these huge, expensive transfers around the world.

Of course, raising cap illimitlesly and in this way making Bitcoin insecure is out of question.


bitcoin is about trust, hence being paranoid.

block size does not matter that much in regard to effectively scaling anyway, now doesn't it?

and it is not 1MB forever, let's not deviate in some manichean dystopia, although it was rightfully implemented to prevent *spam* remember?


Then when will it be changed? Most developers act like never. They speak of a needed fee market, as if we need to safe the poor hungry miners who don't earn enough.

And if i'm not wrongly remember, at the last price rush of bitcoin we could see full blocks for some time. Legit transactions did not confirm. Surely not the best experience for new users.
2185  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: November 09, 2015, 05:03:36 PM
how is he desperate, i saw some interviews on youtube and he actually looks and sounds like a genuine guy who really cares about bitcoin.

last time i've checked gavin hold a good stash too, everyone is doing everything for himself here, there is no genuine guy

there are only some, not-bad guys and bad guys, and btw why he is not posting here anymore?

Exactly. I'm so very disappointed in our developers, it's really hefty. They act like politicians that work hiddenly for some bank or insurance company because they know their job later is secured. Like corrupt politicians. Really a pain to see such unworthy behaviour in a community that started with such high ideals. But i guess money really corrupts. Roll Eyes
2186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: November 09, 2015, 05:01:06 PM
how is he desperate, i saw some interviews on youtube and he actually looks and sounds like a genuine guy who really cares about bitcoin.

How does Hilary/Obama/any other creepy "benevolant dictators" looks like when on Tv? Do you also get the sense that they "genuinly" care about the people?
ya, but all Gavin is trying to do is fix the limit and not let the concept of bitcoin be destroyed. It's not like hes doing it for power, every future decision made for bitcoin doesn't need his approval.
Gavin or not, all i want is >1mb limits.

why? where does this urge comes from? how is bitcoin "broken"?
how do you qualify to express your opinion regarding something that is economically complex and crucially technical?

plz dont tell me the first time you ever heard of this ting is from gavin last year... because its been investigated and monitored since at least 3 years.
ill admit im pretty new to this debate, but doesnt the 7 transactions limit per second worry you?

No it doesn't.

A change to the protocol which reduces the security of the network by killing the fee market does. A change in the protocol that centralizes the mining business because only big players can have low enough latency does. A change in the protocol which kills decentralization of full clients does.

Remember decentralized security of the network and decentralization of transaction verification are the two factors which make the Blockchain (our blockchain) more than just a random *.txt file of transactions some nerds are sending around.

Also remember, we don't need to pay for a coffee with Bitcoin on the Blockchain. The Blockchain is an expensive resource and should be treated as such. It should be dedicated for transactions that need a very high amount of security, otherwise Bitcoin will simply die after the subsidy stops as usage is uneconomical. If Bitcoin could become the global method of choice for preserving and transferring larger block of wealth around the world with a extremely high amount of security and autonomy I will be delighted (not to mention rich as hell).



Why do you think the security of the network will be killed when there is no fee market? You realize that the network is 100 times more secure than needed? And that means that the reward for mining is way too high at the moment.

Besides that... it doesn't really matter if the reward is as high as now or only 10% of that. It ALWAYS would mean centralization since corporate organisations will scale up their operations. And small miners are not lucrative anymore since ages. It doesn't matter how high the reward is, the centralization will go on regardless. I'm wondering why satoshi foresaw this and did not think it is a bad thing.

Regarding Nodes... who says that nodes have to work in millisecond areas? Why should bigger blocks mean centralization at all? Harddiscspace? It's dirt cheap. Internet bandwith? Is growing nearly exponentially in most countries. So as long as you don't live in developing countries or in the landside of the US ( Roll Eyes ) then you should be fine. In no way it could mean centralization like you seem to vision it.

And only because you think Bitcoin is a currency that should not be used to pay for a coffee doesn't mean that is the vision normal bitcoiners has. In fact you should look around you, microtransactions are one big hit of bitcoin. You surely won't find many fans with the idea of waiving that.

And why should it? Bitcoin should replace bank money. If you can't use bitcoin for the everyday life then it's usefullness is so very much limited that it would turn out to be some black money coin only at the end. The use cases for legit transactions would simply very limited.

Satoshi never mentioned a vision of bitcoin being a currency for the rich. Roll Eyes If bitcoin really would turn out to be a high amount transfer system then this would mean only some people can use it. And because of the nature of bitcoin those people would be not seldom those who want to do bad things with money. Bitcoins fame would turn way more negative. Simply because the normal use cases of money does not really exist anymore. The couple of people that would use it for legit things could be counted on one hand. And the rest? Would use an altcoin. And surely not the controversy lightning network. Way too many "great" altcoins tried that.
2187  Economy / Services / Re: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC on: November 08, 2015, 01:31:00 PM
Thanks everyone for the nice reviews.

Just for information, i came back from hospital on friday, still a bit weak, guess being in hospital drains your bodies efficiency. Though i'm confident that this will be better fast since i feel already better than yesterday.

Thanks for the good wishes. Surgery went fine and i hope my life gets better now, in fact i pretty sure of it. Tongue
2188  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Halloween greetings from the Crypto crypt. on: November 05, 2015, 08:59:09 PM

You target the average joe. I'm wondering what the average joe would drive to use bitcoin. I guess his local dealer wants bitcoins, he heard of the darknet, he has to pay a ransom or so. Since normally bitcoin is geek money and only geeks get in fire when hearing about it. And since the usecases for average joe are very limited i think it is hard to catch him. Probably the use cases are the way to catch them, how the product is named might be second then.

At the end, with Bitcoin we have a pretty perfect name already. It sounds like internet money. We would not need to advertise the crypto aspect.

Exactly. I have some geeky friends, and even they are skeptical of bitcoin since they heard the bad news.

So we have to be populists and target each group with different marketing style, with the goal of raising the demand past their fears of bad news.


This becomes harder and harder with the bad news piling up. But we definitely need a marketing team for BTC.

Well, i don't fear the news so much. I heard alot of good news in the last time. For example huge financial times explaining bitcoins. Not the blockchain, bitcoin. Even newspapers for woman in their middle life.

I think the fame of bitcoin is rising drastically. And the bad news are not so very important it seems. People forget, people will think they were simply not informed enough. Heard rumours only and now they read an article in the newspaper.

I don't fear the bad news so much. Especially the banks interest in the blockchain gives bitcoin a big boost. I mean if banks are interested then IT HAS TO BE important.

And banks invest in the blockchain because they think it's the future, then newspapers write about and banks thinks it has to be the future when newspapers write about... circle of fame for cryptocurrencies. Cheesy
2189  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: My Paypal for your Bitcoin. No fees. Market for market (Bitstamp) on: November 05, 2015, 08:48:34 PM
Thanks for sending. I will send you the coins as fast as possible and make up for waiting time when the bitcoin price gets worse in the meanwhile.

Sooner the better please and no less than .4 BTC because that was the market2market at the time of the trade.

Thanks for any tips.  I kinda was under the impression you'd release right away, but that's ok man... just get me sorted out soon.

I like your fast handling.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Smiley

Thanks for sending. I will send you the coins as fast as possible and make up for waiting time when the bitcoin price gets worse in the meanwhile. I like your fast handling. I first asked shdvb first, because i dealt with him 2 times before but he was slow and acted strange. Didn't want to click the link and did not react on my pm explaining about what privnote is. Only on me requesting he claimed that he doesn't want to deal. Lost some days with that. Roll Eyes So thanks for your quick dealing. Cheesy

Tis my pleasure.

It's not just a trade... it's an experience Wink Cheesy.

Sent 0.4025 Bitcoin though i see price drops already again. Guess when i start sending more, when i'm done i have to send again more. Cheesy Crazy price development at the moment. Cheesy

But i sent you a small tip now.

When i need something like that again i will surely remember you. Smiley Mr. Fast Acting Exchanger. Cheesy
2190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: November 05, 2015, 08:06:21 PM
I'm kinda dumb, so I'm having a hard time understanding what happens to alt coin prices when bitcoin goes sky high.  It seems to me like the main conversion for alt coins is into bitcoin, so when bitcoin goes crazy and if the price of the alt to bitcoin remains the same, then that's essentially a bump in price for the alt (if you look at it in fiat).  Does that mean that the CLAM price basically went up 100% alongside bitcoin last week?  Or am I missing something?

I thought so first too but clam is more of a coin pegged to bitcoin. The clam price does not care about the fiat price of bitcoins, only the amount of bitcoins are of interest. So when you hold clams and the bitcoin price drops then you will lose value. Since normally clams don't react on the change in bitcoinprice.

I only can assume that no one exploits these changes. Normally it should look like an arbitrage possibility but it might be the volume is too low to exploit it.

Of course there are other altcoins that clearly correlate invers with the bitcoin fiat price. Not perfect but good enough to see it.

Edit: I would have hold clams longer if this connection would not have been. If you hold clams, they remain at the same value in bitcoins, but the bitcoin price drops, then you lose. So you always have to keep 2 currencies in view.
2191  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: My Paypal for your Bitcoin. No fees. Market for market (Bitstamp) on: November 05, 2015, 08:00:35 PM
Hi, i need 150€ or the equivalent in USD sent to a paypal address. Let me know if you can do that. I would send you the address via privnote, a pastebin you can only read once, in order to protect my privacy.

Sent $163USD and some change.

Came out to a perfect .4 at the time of the send and was the conversion of your currency to mine.

Just waiting on you at this point bud.

Thanks for sending. I will send you the coins as fast as possible and make up for waiting time when the bitcoin price gets worse in the meanwhile.

I like your fast handling. I first asked shdvb first, because i dealt with him 2 times before but he was slow and acted strange. Didn't want to click the link and did not react on my pm explaining about what privnote is. Only on me requesting he claimed that he doesn't want to deal. Lost some days with that. Roll Eyes

So thanks for your quick dealing. Cheesy
2192  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Halloween greetings from the Crypto crypt. on: November 05, 2015, 07:55:39 PM

I think we should be a bit more self-conscious. Yes, it might be somewhat geeky but it can become cool. Think about all the computer tech. It is not geeky since a long time anymore, it became cool once the normal people realized it's usefullness. I think staying strong might be the best way to make bitcoin something cool everyone wants to use.

Bitcoin itself already seems to be a cool word, crypto currency is something that doesn't have to be branded so much but even then, encryption, so being safe from others, government and so on is cool, it has some strenght.

So i think it's not a big problem. Wink

I understand you but your opinion doesnt matter here, the outside world is not like us, so we have to package bitcoin as they demand it not as us.

Not many people care about decentralization and financial privacy, so we need to find a demandable aspect that suits them too.

You target the average joe. I'm wondering what the average joe would drive to use bitcoin. I guess his local dealer wants bitcoins, he heard of the darknet, he has to pay a ransom or so. Since normally bitcoin is geek money and only geeks get in fire when hearing about it. And since the usecases for average joe are very limited i think it is hard to catch him. Probably the use cases are the way to catch them, how the product is named might be second then.

At the end, with Bitcoin we have a pretty perfect name already. It sounds like internet money. We would not need to advertise the crypto aspect.
2193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Halloween greetings from the Crypto crypt. on: November 05, 2015, 06:27:08 PM

I know what you mean but i think digital currency is already something that has a place in the mind of those noobs hearing it. They will think of money on the internet. And the first thoughts will be paypal, skrill, mpesa and so on. Digital currency is not specific enough to show that bitcoin really is a groundbreaking new thing.

Yes but the more specific definitions are too geeky.

Quite franky we have to be populists, not linguists. I dont even think the masses want to really know the advantages of bitcoin.


They just want a new way of earning / storing money, and I think that will be enough to get them to join us.

I think we should be a bit more self-conscious. Yes, it might be somewhat geeky but it can become cool. Think about all the computer tech. It is not geeky since a long time anymore, it became cool once the normal people realized it's usefullness. I think staying strong might be the best way to make bitcoin something cool everyone wants to use.

Bitcoin itself already seems to be a cool word, crypto currency is something that doesn't have to be branded so much but even then, encryption, so being safe from others, government and so on is cool, it has some strenght.

So i think it's not a big problem. Wink
2194  Economy / Securities / Re: [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit on: November 05, 2015, 06:07:45 PM
Just checked this thread after a long absence.
Looks like cryptostocks is still down - was the most recent div paid on cryptostocks?

I didn't get a chance to make the conversion to NXT since cryptostocks has been down...

Yes, the payment was on cryptostocks. It was a compromise, better a div than no div at all.

With NXT, i don't know if the issuer will do it. We put a lot of work into it but it seems he did not go through at the end. In any case you need to set the option in cryptostocks so that all shareholders emails are known and can be contacted.

I thought, if he has trouble with NXT then maybe direct shares would be better for him. But for that we would need to know the shareholders too.

Hopefully cryptostocks is back soon since it seems at least 2 shareholders only now found out about the recent div.
2195  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANN] MarginBot - A Bitfinex Margin Lending Management Bot on: November 05, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
I'm having issues setting up my crontabs. I've tried what the dashboard has suggested and the method my host recommends, but still not running. Can you provide any advice on how they should be coded?

If you don't manage to set it up on your hosting then there are free cron job websites on the internet. They simply request the url(s) you specify in the timeframes you specify. Works like normal cron jobs.

I'm not sure if this would mean any privacy issues since they know your url.

Only a headsup.
2196  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: My Paypal for your Bitcoin. No fees. Market for market (Bitstamp) on: November 05, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
Hi, i need 150€ or the equivalent in USD sent to a paypal address. Let me know if you can do that. I would send you the address via privnote, a pastebin you can only read once, in order to protect my privacy.
2197  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Warning about portable versions on: November 05, 2015, 04:39:50 PM
I found some small bugs in the portable version.

I can not change the language. Regardless what i try.

I can not import private keys. There are only sweep and export options. And sweep sounds like a highly dangerous option.

I'm not sure but i believe the satoshi per kb option was set back by upgrading. I first thought it is an automatic calculation depending on net load that raised the fee but it is only satoshi per kb? Not sure yet.
2198  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin halving to be canceled? on: November 05, 2015, 04:24:58 PM
Why? The rewards for miners are way way too high. Nowadays the networks hashpower is 100 times higher then it would be needed. The consequences of this are that each and every transactions costs electricity of the size 1.75 average US-households use each day. Bigger transactions cost even more.

How do you know that? Or, to put it in a different perspective, the rewards (taken cumulatively) are what the market sets them to be. If Bitcoin was cheaper, less miners would be interested in mining...

That is from a study published some weeks, or months ago.

And so what? Does it give more credibility to your words? Internet is full of garbage. Mining being a huge energy waster (even if so) is of no relevance to it being over or undervalued. Market doesn't set the reward figure, but it does set (in a sense) a total amount of coins that miners get for mining (i.e. their revenue)...

But it is relevant for those who demand we would need to keep 1MB blocks so that the fees for transactions rise and the miners get a higher pay. There simply is no need for a higher pay. There is a need for dropping outdated hardware only. When we can't manipulate the bitcoin price only because we want to adjust the miner fee then the amount of coins they get is the only way to adjust the total value they get.

Nothing more i said. Smiley
2199  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin halving to be canceled? on: November 05, 2015, 04:20:20 PM
I think you make it too complicated. Yes, the reward is some kind of inflation maybe but in fact it isn't. The price ONLY get's established on the exchanges and markets. Which means only what all users believe bitcoin should be worth will be what bitcoin will be worth. And miner rewards and other things seems to have no impact on that.

I don't see how it can be too complicated. When miners sell their stash of coins, they are just like any other Bitcoin sellers, and the effect they have on the price is in no way different than it would be if someone else had sold the same coins. The only difference is that they sell newly minted coins. The price changing effect is absolutely the same. If what you say were true, it would mean that the bitcoins that miners produce and sell somehow avoid affecting the price of Bitcoin...

In short, you shouldn't consider the miner's reward in isolation, taken per se, but you should look at the supply of new coins which enters the market and where the reward plays a secondary role as a factor in quantifying the amount of this supply

The reward for miners is coming from the amount of bitcoins they receive and the value the bitcoins have. It is not possible for us to manipulate the value of bitcoins we give to miners, so that we might lower or raise their reward. The only way to make mining more or less lucrative would be to lower or raise the amount of bitcoins they receive. That's why i said we don't have much influence on the reward for miners. Of course they are normal player in the markets.
2200  Other / Off-topic / Re: What would happen if you microwaved a human being? on: November 04, 2015, 10:11:10 PM
Why do use a child? Just find a big microwave and microwave yourself.

I second this.

I think OP should be banned. If you were in the states you could probably be arrested for posting this online. I hope you do.

Jesus, calm your tits. It's a joke, kapiche? I just had a dumb idea xD Someone told me that microwaves energise water particles, and humans are almost all water.

would explode i figure..

edit:
grind em up so they don't blow up in the microwave.. (or poke 'em with a fork a few times)



Nah, humans wouldn't explode. They are no eggs that have such a hard shell that the sudden pressure inside needs to crash it and the egg explodes. My brother ones had the great idea to make his breakfast egg in the microwave. He had fun cleaning it for some while. Cheesy

But i think that there exist a lot of movies already that had this topic. A search on videosites might show the impressions film makers had of it. But i imagine they tried to sell exploding humans too. Cheesy
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