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1361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest on: February 09, 2016, 12:06:14 AM
You and your friends, as you said, succesfully bought majority of digger's CLAMs. Good job.

I don't know if the digger made any private deals. He made none with me. I bought some coins cheap on poloniex when he dumped there. You seem to be implying that something unfair happened but as far as I can see the coins were sold to the highest bidder on a public marketplace.


I believe he sold his last coins for deals of 50 bitcoin on a thread on here or so. Just-dice or clams-thread. Those people dumped shortly after doubling their investment in a short timeframe. Well, chance taken i guess. Cheesy
1362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: February 09, 2016, 12:01:59 AM
http://eb.by/8Fh
What this scale (20% — 100%) means? We make the participation in MMM Global more attractive and useful for everybody. We encourage our participant to be involved in development of MMM Global. Due to these reasons we’ve established MMM Extra. Cheesy This model allows each participant to get 100% per month!

*lol* 100% of nothing is still nothing. Don't promote this scam on here, we are cursed with scammers already way enough.

MMM is simply a pyramid game. The head is already in custody only in some countries this scam still finds new victims, which is the only way to prevent it from breaking down.
1363  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How I was scammed ...... on: February 08, 2016, 11:46:49 PM
Didn't know that can happen with the normal teamviewer version and he only being allowed to watch. Though you somehow write as if he could do more from the start?

And when you say he can install a screen driver then doesn't that mean already that he can run scripts on the other pc? He then could run an autoit script and clear the wallet... at least if unencrypted.

Hi........I just wanted to give a brief summary of how I was recently scammed......mainly for informational purposes and so others can be on the look-out for this method. I also would like to hear if this is a fairly common way to scam people...or something rather new.     I know I will get a lot of ridicule for falling for such a blatant scam............but I thought this could be a learning experience, so hopefully I  won't get too many negative comments.   Tongue

The scammer saw my post and asked me if I had ICQ      (trading BTC for prepaid debit card codes)

I set up my ICQ, and we negotiated rates, etc. He was very professional, patient, and he said said "I'll go first."  (He would start the transaction)

He asked me to create a Bitcoin wallet on blockchain.info so he could see that I had the coins ready for trade. So I moved my coins to the blockchain wallet.

He then said that since he will be taking the risk by sending the codes first, he would like to view my screen to make sure the code is used properly. (There may have been another reason for this too.)  In order to do this....he wanted me to download a program called "Team Viewer" that allowed him "see" my screen in real-time. 

I downloaded the program "Team Viewer" and started it up ...... he told me he could see my screen, etc......then somehow he asked to see my bitcoin wallet to verify the coins on blockchain.   Once I logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain........BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAM....... I saw my bitcoin balance being withdrawn in a flash.     END OF STORY


So obviously, besides my stupidity, it was the "Team Viewer" program that allowed him to pull off this scam.  I'm still not sure how that program works.....for instance, how could it allow him to also be logged into my bitcoin wallet on blockchain???  How could two computers be accessing the same wallet like that? 

Thanks for any input and hopefully this will help somebody in the future from being scammed in this way.   I appreciate any constructive feedback...........

No, i think it was a good step to post this since for sure you warned some people to be cautious with teamviewer.

What i wanted to know, since you mentioned somewhere that you scammed before, how big of a scammer were you? Since especially i'm interested into knowing if scammers on bitcointalk all play alone for themselves or if they meet in some community or so. Would be interesting to take a look in such a community, maybe watching scams on bitcointalk in realtime.

Only an idea. Tongue

Fancy things you can do with teamviewer:

- Black out the remote screen, therefore you need to install a "screen driver" via TeamViewer, depending on the connection that can take 1-2 minutes.
- Lock the remote keyboard and mouse

The easy and quick way:
So lets imagine i am the guy trying to scam you. I tell you: download teamviewer, personally i would send you to the real site www.teamviewer.de or .com (doesnt matter)
I will ask you for your teamviewer id and pass, its displayed when you open up TV.
I will connect to your system. I will instantly start to install the driver and black your screen in addition once your screen is black lock your keyboard and mouse.
No i have from 1 second to 15 minutes, in relation how smart you are, to roam around your pc. if you are using the core client and its open already ill send all you have to my own address.
as long as the connection is working i wll start searching for "wallet.dat" and copy each of those files to my system (in case you have other coins i would note which wallets you have installed.
if my connection is still working and i was prepared to scam you i might install some nasty tools or start to delete files and maybe uninstall some devices.
Sooner or later you might have come to the idea to switch your pc off, disable wireless (if oyu have a button for it) or pull your ethernet cable.

If you using something like electrum (what i do) you cant just send coins without a pw.

Anyways: NO WAY, coins vanish RIGHT AWAY after a connection is established. i mean the second someone is in. doesnt work that way.

op might have downloaded a poisoned teamviewer somewhere but i dont think so. you have to be cautinous about giving stranger access to your pc, no matter how the tool is called. some would be possible with a simple rdp invite.

its not the tool to blame, its PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

1364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest on: February 08, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
People may be hurt by this change but it is a needed one, for clam and for everyone who gambles and invests at JD.

There is a slight difference due to people investing at 1x Kelly or so, but the majority were doing max.

There is a class of JD investor who is inconvenienced by this change: the investor who doesn't want to be bankrolling a dice site at all, and is really only interested in having JD stake his coins for him.

Until yesterday he was able to invest in the bankroll with no offsite. All the big 100x investors would dilute his investment so much that he was taking very little risk from players.

Now however his share of the bankroll has almost doubled as all the 100x investors are now only 50x. And his share will continue to increase as the maximum offsite multiplier continues to drop.

I think the solution for this is to offer staking-only to those people, so you can continue to collect staking rewards (minus the 10% commission) without being involved in the bankroll at all.

It will take me a while to implement the staking-only feature. Until I do, I won't drop the maximum offsite multiplier below 25x.

Note, of course, that even with a limit of 10x on the offsite multiplier, it's still less risky for the investors with no offsite than it was before offsite investment was first offered.

Um, why do you want to do something against that? I mean really, why?

You invented that feature to make people divest and holding clams in their own wallet. Now you found a way that people will do so and you will hold them on justdice artificially.

I don't see why you want to do this. It would be an unexpected side effect of your change to reach your inital goal. Cheesy
1365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest on: February 08, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
Agree on the change. Right now it looks like a small fair lottery, not just a dice. And since the last whale was crushing so hard the market, a winner of 400K would crash it too.

What amount of winning would NOT crash the market? I only ask because i occassionally use just-dice as a lottery replacement. Tongue With normal lotteries state will take around 50% of the investments as tax already. Only the rest is paid out.

Then what amount would not crash the market?

I guess to prevent that it would be the only solution to claim that the clams will be sold in an auction on bitcointalk. Even holding them at just-dice would crash the price since people would fear you still dump.
1366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest on: February 08, 2016, 11:24:06 PM
It's been needed for some time doog and even as an investor I welcome the change. The risks of 100x were too high and could bring about huge losses if max profit was ever won, which was a tall order anyway given the odds of winning that insane amount. Not only is clam more protected now, perhaps people will choose to do more with their clam now rather than letting it sit with a high offsite on JD.

People may be hurt by this change but it is a needed one, for clam and for everyone who gambles and invests at JD.

I don't think it hurts anyone. Illustration (keep in mind people aren't winning 200k+ per roll as it is):

You have 100 CLAM and I have 200 CLAM. We both invest at 100x. You now have 10,000 and I have 20,000 (giving you 33.3% and me 66.6%).
He changes max Kelly to 10x
You have 100 CLAM and I have 200 CLAM. We both invest at 10x. You now have 1,000 and I have 2,000 (giving you 33.3% and me 66.6%).

This affects nothing on the user's end. Either way, our relative ownership of the pool is the same, therefore we both earn and lose at the same exact rate as we did when we were at 100x.

There is a slight difference due to people investing at 1x Kelly or so, but the majority were doing max.

I guess he meant it more like: You have 100 clam and you invest at 100x. You lose big and then you lower max offsite invest to 10%. Now the chance to win big is cut down. Of course the chance to lose big again too but the volatility of profi-loss is way lower which lowers the chance to win the losses back fast.

Yes, i'm aware this works in both directions and luck has no memory.
1367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: February 08, 2016, 11:21:34 PM
You should gamble its fast and easy to do, so why not man.
Also investing in the bitcoin is the best thing to do, you can do a signature campaign.

*sigh* You should gamble, it's fast and easy to lose your coins with that. Well, great advice. Why do you tell others to gamble? They asked for growing their bitcoins, not to lose them. And the chance to lose them is higher with gambling than to win more than you had.

I can't believe how often such a suggestion comes up. Is this forum full of gamblers who live in a dreamworld?
1368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: February 08, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
As far as I known about bitcoin to now there is no easy method to grow bitcoins, it's actually even harder than investing normal fiat since there are no banks offering interest for BTC, there are few stock sites but these are illegal looking at it by the standard USA law. Trading BTC and other alt-currencies seems like the most decent way.

You might lend out bitcoins, or better fiat, on bitfinex. You can exchange your bitcoin to fiat there to have a higher reward too. If you use margin trader, a free bot here on the forum, you can earn 20%+ a year on top.

Bitfinex is pretty old and established so it might live for a long time.

There are sites and exchanges who offer a little bit interest too. Simply for having your bitcoins there. But who will risk that for such a small profit. Risk: all your btc, Reward: a little bit more btc. No good correlation.
1369  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: February 08, 2016, 11:12:22 PM
buying antminer with your bitcoin Roll Eyes
then you can growing your bitcoin for long time

or you can trade it with take small profit (10% per month is enough)

Are antminer really profitable? You have the buying price back in after 3 to 6 months?

I doubt that somehow.

Does it work when entering the hashrate, buying price, electricity cost and all in here? https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/mining/

I never found a working miner. And if there was one then they did not work anyway because after being delivered one month later the possibility to breakeve was already dead.

(lol) 3 to 6 months...
I have a antminer U2 and I'm not sure if I will get buying price back in 50 years...
but I have the fun to run it...
I

Yes indeed, running a miner is more like an expensive hobby nowadays. Roll Eyes And hobbies cost money instead earning from them... at least most of the time.

The 3 to 6 months were the minimum someone could say that if he receives the miner on the correct date then he would break even when taking a rising difficulty in account. Later than that and the profits were so small that it touched the "Never break even"-Border.

Really? today miners don't earn money from their activity?
I thought about mining a bit for fun but I still intended to break even xD

Is there a possibility for difficulty to stop increasing so much? It would help miners to break even no?

Normal miners have nearly no chance of breaking even, not to speak making a profit. Only some can do it, maybe because they have free power or a good place to host for cheap. But even then it is risky and most see it as a hobby. Or some deceive themself with calculation tricks. Like calculating a rising bitcoin price into. They would have come better buying bitcoins from the start then. And so on.

And no, difficulty can only be lowered when less miners mine. If you would lower them artificially then simply more miners would be profitable and more miners would start their miners. This can't solve this.

There is simply no right to mine profitable. And we have way way too many miners anyway. One transaction on the bitcoin network eats a huge amount of electricity. Not healthy for the fame of bitcoin.
1370  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange with USD EUR GBP JPY CAD BTC LTC XRP NMC XDG STR ETH on: February 08, 2016, 11:02:14 PM
> Where can I read more about the global settings lock ?

We have a rather extensive article in the Kraken Help Center covering the Global Settings Locks. It's in the 'Security: Account' section. I think the article does a pretty good job of conveying the purpose of the lock (but please let us know if you think otherwise). It also describes which settings get locked and what can be done to unlock your settings:
https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/201396877-What-is-the-Global-Settings-Lock-

Thank you.

I think in combination with an master key, it is okay, to activate settings lock.
But as HPt wrote,
1) not everybody knows enough about this settings lock
2) not everybody knows, that without the settings lock, it is easy to bypass the 2FA !!!

So I still think Kraken has to do something, to make 2FA secure even without the settings lock. The 2FA method should not be changeable without access to 2FA nor password, except with a masterkey or with support.

I agree with you and HPt that we at the very least need to do more to make people aware of the settings lock. Just so there's no confusion about the issue here, it's only easy to bypass 2fa if you have already gained access to the account. So it's not easy for someone who doesn't have access to the account to bypass the 2fa for login. But I understand how someone who sets 2fa for trading or funding would expect that this isn't easy to bypass even if someone has access to the account, so that either needs to be changed or it needs to be made clearer that the settings lock should be used in conjunction with 2fa for trading or funding in order for these to really improve the security of the account.

We will take a look at this issue and do something to address it - thanks for bringing it up!


I think that is a serious issue and it's good that you try to handle it. There is no reason why it should be allowed to disable a security measure without proving that you are allowed to do so.

Kraken is the only exchange who has two 2fa, the other is for trading only. Though that wouldn't help in this case either when the user is holding bitcoins already and not fiat.
1371  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is your trading strategy? on: February 08, 2016, 10:58:38 PM
Never act in accordance with your emotional.

Too true... Cheesy

Till now my emotions get into the way too often when i hold a position. It's really complicated to avoid that. I would set up an order that has a stop loss and a take profit combined for my position but most exchanges don't offer such thing.

I could set it up and go away, preventing my emotions from interfering. Cheesy
1372  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is your trading strategy? on: February 08, 2016, 10:56:47 PM
I always use the buy low sell high method. It requires you to have a good amount of patience, but the returns are more than worth it. Beside that, I never go all in. I always buy with around 25-50% at the beginning, and the rest of the money will be used for when the price goes down further. It brought me a decent profit so far.

What do you say? "Buy low sell high"-Method? This is no method at all, it is the only way to earn from trading. How can this be a method? Are other methods to buy high and sell low? No. So that is no method at all.

A method could be how you determine when the price is low and when to sell. That would be a method. But there is no trader in the world who would not try to buy low and sell high. That is no method at all.

So what is your method? How do you determine that the price is low now and when he is high?
1373  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: February 08, 2016, 10:53:41 PM
People find bitcoin much easier to use. Some people find it even safer. Because they do not walk on the street with so much cash. But that is in fact do so, they are right.
Only Bitcoin can of course be worth less later and that you have more to nothing.

Only will take some years until you get robbed of your smartphone and the robber asks you what your password to your ...wallet is. Cheesy

Well, guess we could say that bitcoin adoption then would be on a good way at least. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
1374  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: February 08, 2016, 10:50:17 PM
1. Government-proof (You are your own bank, the bank cannot keep you from your own money, but something like keeping your funds safe is harder to accomplish)
2. Promising community and idea
3. No chargebacks Smiley

Why would it be harder to keep your funds safe? A random number written anywhere could be the private key to one of your bitcoin addresses that contains your wealth. You could even hide it in a file, no one would ever guess that something like that is hidden in there.

Though being safe that way has a disadvantage too. Nobody can access it... except you. So when you die or lose your memory then no one will call you telling you that you have a million usd on your bank account. And your relatives would have to know beforehand how to access. Which holds the risk that they are not really trustworthy and steal your funds.
1375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: February 08, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
Yes but Bitcoin already has a number of trusted dice and casinos up so the fact that people exchange for this coin just to play dice seems a bit odd. An unnecessary step so to speak but I guess the staking is alluring.

You forget that just-dice is the oldest and most established dice site at all. So it has many fans already. Using clams is no real hurdle, only exchange on poloniex and that's it. But many hold clams on justdice as investor so they earn from justdice while playing.

The liquidity is not that great. Unless you are a small player you will take a significant hit from slippage in both directions.

Maybe that is consistent with what dooglas says he wants though, to keep things smaller.


Do you speak about the offsite invest or the orderbooks on the exchanges.

Yes, i lost some bitcoins when buying clams at the wrong time too. Additionally to holding clams you need to watch the bitcoin price since clams doesn't hold their own value compared to fiat but to bitcoin. So even if clamprice goes up, when you sell and bitcoin price went down in the meantime you would still have less USD, or whatever your countries currency is.

And i like to value in fiat because bitcoin is way too unstable.

If you speak about offsite invest then the solution would have been to simply lower offsite max to a point you are comfortable with. In fact it is pretty unlikely losing much, though it happened. Though as long as many small bets are played you would earn more compared to others. It's like leveraged trading...
1376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: February 08, 2016, 10:36:34 PM
You forget that just-dice is the oldest and most established dice site at all

When Just-Dice first launched, there were at least 4 other dice sites already running:

 * satishidice
 * primedice
 * coinroll
 * btc-dice

That last one was a straight satoshidice clone, and I may have got its name wrong.

Since then satoshidice and coinroll have changed hands, and btc-dice has gone away (I think). PrimeDice is still around, and seems to have taken up most of the volume left behind when Just-Dice stopped accepting Bitcoin.

Hm, ok. Guess then just-dice was the first that allowed users to invest? I did not hear from other dice sites back then. But it's right, just-dice lost most of his users to primedice it seems. Happy person who owned that site back then. Cheesy
1377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thanks to people who support 1-2 MB blocks - great idea u fools... on: February 08, 2016, 03:20:47 PM
Fork Race Update: 315 : 155 nodes (Bitcoin Classic Hardfork 0.11.2 : Blockthestream Softfork 0.12.0)

Sorry but nodes mean nothing i think. I think an increase is inevitably as long as you want bitcoin adoption and not forcing users out of bitcoin into alternate systems like lightning network, but nodes mean nothing in the decision. Mining power coming from those nodes, that's import for sure.
1378  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Master-P SCAMMER. I lost complete faith in this forum now. on: February 08, 2016, 03:14:38 PM

I think you would need to direct your complaint to the canadian police anyway. Im not a professional so i might be wrong.

But even the indian police should handle it. Maybe they have a cybercrime unit and when you can provide details of the user then you might be lucky.

It's worth a try anyway as long as it doesn't cost you serious money doing so. Smiley

He has more chances of survival if he jumped off from the 15th Floor of a building than any help from Indian Cyber Crime Department.I was being scammed by a fake agency for Job Offers in Google India,though I provided all the legal documents  for the scam which had the guys phone number ,bank details etc police didnt do jack instead asked me to buy them a new USB for the damn records.A month later the scammer was still looting people with the same job offer through Emails. Not against your opinion but just letting you know how sad Indian Police is .It's better if he doesn't approach them or they will blame bitcoin for everything and maybe ban all the related bitcoin websites.Sorry for being a little off-topic here.

Hm, that is quite a problem indeed then. I know the police in some countries is pretty bad, i thought india might have developed further in that point too.

Well, looks like a general problem then.

The only other way could be then when the canadian police accepts complaints from foreigners on such points.

But honestly, i somehow doubt a bit that his doxx is real. I know there are ways to fake all of this, even when receiving goods at this address. And till now no one has checked him out it seems.

If i would be involved and would have invested alot. Then i would go after him even on a personal level. Visiting him, private investigator and so on. Just to get the coins back or send him to justice.
1379  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Master-P SCAMMER. I lost complete faith in this forum now. on: February 08, 2016, 02:39:04 PM
It's not massive that is just one month's pay for a hardworking better than average developer,of course it wont be the same globally.

Of course not, I am from India, and 3 Bitcoins that he stole from me, is much more like a 2 month's pay. Not the amount he totally stole, which is far more and nears a average yearly income for some people in India.

Because his victims are cool,if you people report and do something then he might be pissed.

Being from India, I am not sure what to do. Neither is bitcoins legal/illegal in India (Government here is just neutral about it, they are not against it, they just want you to be careful with huge amounts of money) nor do many people know about it. So, contacting Police or any other law authority would be of no use.

I think you would need to direct your complaint to the canadian police anyway. Im not a professional so i might be wrong.

But even the indian police should handle it. Maybe they have a cybercrime unit and when you can provide details of the user then you might be lucky.

It's worth a try anyway as long as it doesn't cost you serious money doing so. Smiley

i think he cannot go any complain in cyber crime. because they will ask what happened and if he says that he is gambling or trading with Bitcoins and he got scammed from so and so person, that time police will ask what is bitcoin and what is the status of law in india, that time you cannot say anything . then you will be in great problem, because you are doing online transaction with foreign customers with out paying forex tax. and they will ask you how you got this much of bitcoins and from where.

Of course when there are open questions from his own behaviour then yes. Obviously there is a problem then.

I think many scammers play on this card too. Exploit it.

Though if you run it legally then you should have no problem to claim losses. I mean art is no money too, digital money phised from your bank account is digital money too. So if they caim they don't want to accept the complaint then i would go higher in the line of officers.
1380  Economy / Lending / Re: ◄● ░▒▓ LEND YOUR BTC TO MY JEWELRY – GIOIELLERIA L’ISOLA D'ORO™ ▓▒░●► on: February 08, 2016, 02:36:06 PM
Shop asset

•   About 70.000 euro in Gold Jewels and Silver (Valued @ 1.090$ for gold and 14$ for silver)
•   About 10.000 euro in Steel Jewels
•   About 15.000 euro in other precious (pearls, diamonds, other precious stones.)
•   About  3.000 euro in watches

Personal Asset:

•   150 sqm House in Roggiano Gravina (about 150.000 euro)
•   100 sqm Villa in Fagnano Muntain
•   Mercedes B class , year 2006
•   Innocenti Mini Minor year 1973
Who in their right mind would loan a guy who claims to have assets worth more than 100 k euro but is collecting 50$ forum accounts(assuming they are digital assets) and needs a 0.07 loan,of course nothing is/was true.

A bit strange indeed.

To be faire I believe the first loans were made before those elements were added.

And you never know what is at stake with those Italians mafia :p

Please here there are italians too that doesn't accept any liar or scam attempt Smiley Wink
I think that is really incredible lost this time for 50 euro Smiley but probably I wrong Cheesy


Sure didn't want to offend anyone dude Wink

Just that you can't know what people do. It might have been a good reason behind this.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1354489.msg13789230#msg13789230

Yes probably Smiley
Now the scam attempt is clear Smiley .... I think that there are no reason for steal money, but probably I am wrong Smiley

Yeah and the dude never reconnected since end of January. He doesn't even care he's probably not Italian at all, just made you believe he is that's all!

he give me a phone number and he is italian.... and also number is an italian number!

Phone numbers are not really reliable. You can get cheap or even free voIP phone numbers from italy while sitting somewhere in nigeria. Most of these services had to turn over to demand identificiation of their users but surely there are ways around or services that work in the background.

So i would not trust a phone number. Scammers know that very well.
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