In this instance this is NOT a scam. There is no deception. The mistake was with yahoo. You should NOT use the trust system to blackmail/extort people to pay for  your own mistakes. I would suggest yahoo looking up the definition of a scam/scamming.

There is clearly a conflict of interests don't be foolish. However, since you are correct in this case no point battering that point out.

Neutral would be the correct use of the trust system.

They should fix "the bug" really though. How hard can it be?

@Coolcryptovator 

you agreement or not is irrelevant. The clear definition of scamming requires a deception or attempted deception at the very least. He has admitted he was NOT deceived and made a mistake.

Do you understand yet??

You are wrong and right.

Yahoo is in the wrong calling it a SCAM.

Where is the deception??

Hhampuz would usually go along with him but since it is a conflict of interests he is going the other way.

LOL the trust system hey haha

No objective transparent rules = clusterfuck

This is why ALL conflicts of interest need to be removed where ever possible

People on DT should not be running sig campaigns nor promoting them. they should be wealthy bitcoin enthusiasts that are not bottom feeding scum bags that will do or say anything to make some btc dust.

max win is 2000, then max win is 2000

you admit miss clicking

sure they should code it so you can not over bet

THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A SCAM and that is not what flags/tags are for.

This actually appears to  me as a case of clear blackmail or extortion on yahoos part. Trying to leverage again the trust system to force OVER PAYMENT.

You knew you could only win 2000, you admit you did not intend to bet that much and it was YOUR MISTAKE.

It is a bit skanky of them to leave it like this, but they are obviously leaving it to idiots to make mistakes to add to their edge.

You can't say someone is scamming you because you made a mistake. Withdraw the flag and stop using it as clear leverage to force them to over pay you for YOUR MISTAKE.

ARE you saying you will remove your red tag if they over pay you beyond the stated max 2000 bet??

Yes, so merely a co-incidence they chose laudas escrow, one of mosprognoz's best pals I guess.  Funny that.

How much is it going to cost them? what is lauda's cut?

Always comes down to money with lauda. You say ANYTHING, however true or correct and he does not like it.  He immediately reaches for red trust to silence or seek to control the person.

Looks a some nice material for the old blackmail/extortion thread.

So

1. moronpigsnoz laudas pal feels the project looks like a scam

2. FORCES them to use escrow ( how does he force them)? that sounds like extortion/blackmail right there.

3. The project then randomly select laudas escrow?? lauda was not part of the "enforcement" previously with moronpigsnoz was he per chance ??

4. Eddies says

a/ you should not FORCE people to use escrow
b/ the escrow will not stop it being a scam


5. Lauda feels eddies words are not in LAUDAS best financial interests so gives him red trust

6. Lauda then says if you stop saying things I do not want you to say I " may " removed the red trust

just trying to get the cliff notes without reading pages of laudas scum gangs excuses, lies, perverted reasoning, and tourettes laden sexually deviant garbage.

I see lots of separate stages here that exceed the alice/bob phone stealing threshold for blackmail/extortion.

With all the twisting, turning, excuses, and reality called out as lies it is hard to know ... but it looks like it is going down like this...

So just to recap... Lauda's known gang have BULLIED a project to use LAUDA's escrow service?  is this correct?

Because someone said this should not have happened then Lauda gave them red trust??

Is this correct?  I smell some nice EXTORTION going on here.

So they were being called a scam and getting flack but if they use laudas escrow ( and pay him some funds) they can go ahead??

Are these cliff notes correct? Seems like  some " possible"  new material for my BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION thread in meta.

Now lauda says if you stop saying things I do not like I may consider you non-malignant.... is this like benign ?? hmmm very tasty.

You seem a reasonable person and we have no current issue with you specifically nor some of the other DT members. Other than we consider them to be putting their own self preservation above the greater good of the forum.

Whilst we appreciate not openly supporting the CLEAR and UNDENIABLE double standards employed to punish whistle blowers and discourage the truth being widely known, could be claimed as NON SUPPORT

We feel that it is the responsibility of DT members when made AWARE of scamming or double standards to do all in their power to thwart such actions. DT can ONLY FUNCTION with any value at all if people do as they independently feel is correct. So unless they are countering the red tags and excluding the scammers/trust abusers.....well

If a DT were provided with undeniable evidence of scamming and refuse to put red on the scammers account just because they were a fellow DT. Then clearly that is willful endangerment of the rest of the honest  members here.  Same for CLEAR double standards. Therefore BOTH DT members are unsuitable and untrustworthy to some degree and certainly not suitable for DT which  requires strength, honesty and a willingness to become a target.

DT members trying to cast off undeniable evidence of

1. scamming
2. trust abuse
3. Willful and deliberate scam facilitating
4. Double standards

as simply board politics are simple saying. We are too afraid for our own skins to do the right thing.

Rather than say that (which although true is kind of a bit too strong of a punishment for weak people rather than the direct scammers) we will just say they agree.

If they are including those they KNOW are undeniably pushing double standards and scamming other members on to DT. Then they surely can not be permitted to claim they do NOT agree with those deeds.

The only way we would accept their claims they do not agree, is if they clearly state we do not agree but we are too afraid to stand against those pushing double standards and scamming people because they will likely target us next.


Don't take this as a person attack upon you. It is our opinion of ANY DT member that is made well aware of observable independently verifiable instances of scamming, double standards, trust abuse and tries to avoid tackling it under the " don't want to get involved in board politics."

But he says if you stop saying things he does not like/agree with he "may" later not consider you malignant .... so just turn into a lauda assfeltching clown (ask LFC, pharmacist, suchmoon, moronpigsnoz or any of those for a guide of how to perform) and you may get the red trust removed.

Red trust is very useful as the stick , merit is the carrot   - when used together the echo chamber is pretty much guaranteed.

Red trust for virtue signalling?  I thought he already warned you you may get a flag or tag for suggesting free speech should be permitted previously?

Have a care though, I mean saying the board should not become an echo chamber is kind of virtue signalling according to him since that is kind of like the same thing as permitting free speech

Until these scammers and their scammer supporters are removed this will happen to anyone that

1. brings up his observable pasts behaviors
2. say anything he believes may impact upon his rev streams here.


Anyway good to see OG has come and explained his side of it. Seems to be the end of the matter I guess.

Seeing the quote TMAN plastered by OG all over this thread makes me wonder why OG ever removed laudas red trust. I mean that is just 1 incident when you start to realize that is the slim edge of the scamming wedge if lauda does not warrant red trust NO member deserves red trust.

Him and ANY DT including him should be blacklisted by now.

I mean the initial post was really just about the forked bitcoin alts right? unless this was a set up from the start.

EVERYONE sounds like CH or TOAA .... He/us/we  must own 95% of the accounts here.

Never heard of MAL before and have no issue with him at this time.  We only ever present observable undeniable instances  that are independently verifiable as evidence of scamming. Like in your auction scamming case for instance.

The member will produce evidence or he will not. We will review the evidence with everyone else if it is provided. Until then best to refrain from speculation.

20K BTC? that sounds rather a lot though. Perhaps a typo ?

Yes that is certainly a matter that should be talked about and sorted out between the two parties. Either prior or even after if both are sensible and honest.

I don't think we should attempt to white wash or demonize until we have ALL of the details and the final agreement between the two parties concluded.

I certainly DO NOT THINK we should have people that have done THE SAME or WORSE all gathering and colluding into a lynch mob here for their OWN PERSONAL ENDS.

This is why you can not have people that are guilty of the same or WORSE trying to punish people without turning the entire board to a warzone

People dishing out disapproval/disgust/indignation and punishment need to be SQUEAKY clean themselves or human nature says fuck that bullshit.

(that is not aimed at you since we have no experience with you here, we are referring to others gathering)

NO because this is a CLEAR guide to blackmail and extortion as defined by DT members for the red trusting of NON DT members.

More examples will be added as they come up.

So in future when people are looking for a guide to see how they (NON DT MEMBERS) are allowed to proceed to if people steal their phone, their btc or are battling against LIES and false accusations, trust abuse or any other thing that happens to them. They will be able to read and judge for themselves their best course of action.

Also this thread is going to be dynamic so IF some DT members say HELL NO alice can tell bob to give back her phone or she will call the cops and anyone casting alice as a blackmailer and extortionist and tries to punish her THEN I WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Then that can be added to the guide.

Now stop being a scammer supporter, double standards excuse provider and generally trying to silence those that want transparent fair rules applied equally to all members. Because if you do not..... READY FOR SOME EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL ohhhhhhhhh .... then we will be correcting you in public and pointing out every time you do so (when it is on topic relevant and net positive).

Yes in our opinion a member can say to someone that is doing something clearly wrong, stop doing that or else we will voice our opinions that it is wrong and provide observable instances and corroborating evidence to substantiate that opinion. If that is blackmail and extortion for 1 member it must be blackmail and extortion for ALL MEMBERS.

It is NOT trolling'
It is NOT mentally ill
It is not blackmail
It is not extortion.
It is not something you ban people for
It is not something you punish people for.

It is the behavior of people that want transparent and fair standards for all members.

If you can not debunk their central points or demonstrate their opinion is incorrect .....then tough shit if it does not fit with what you want to be (known as) the truth.

Also not to be conflated with I am claiming betking is in the right. He should be paying people any and all monies owed (in our personal opinion) under pressure from any legal means permitted. This is not the point. We believe BOB should be forced to return alices phone by any legal means permitted. This is all irrelevant for the purposes of this thread though. That is for the betking thread. If he owes people money then he should be paying that out to them no question of that.

We need to sort out the double standards FIRST, get the transparent rules that are equally applied to all members. Then all the REAL good guys can get on the same side. Those out for themselves only will soon become visible.

@twitchy

ALL OF THAT IS IRRELEVANT for the PURPOSES of this thread. Not interested in your " opinions" of what tman will do once extorting/blackmailing his 650bucks he got for 1 satoshi.

It does not matter if your ACTIONS are for the greater good ACCORDING TO TMAN, LAUDA, YOGG and the other scum bags here.

Please stop conflating this thread with some other thread about " what tman is going to do with the money after he extorts it (by his own standards) from the alleged debtor.

The point is for the slower members here

1. THE DEFINITION OF BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION pertaining to giving members RED TRUST FOR IT.

Have you got that now??


If ALICE is clearly guilty of extortion/blackmail and can be given red trust for telling bob ( who has just grabbed her phone and is now walking away with it) that if he does not return it she will report him to the police.



Their own standards.

Then TMAN is clearly guilty of blackmail/extortion.

This is about the DOUBLE STANDARDS employed by DT members here when certain behaviors SUIT THEIR OWN FINANCIAL GAIN or their own purposes.

How much clearer can I make this??

The problem is if you allow DT members to WEAPONIZE the trust system to PUNISH other members for deeds they themselves commit but do NOT get punished. You are permitting a 2 tier system to flourish.

Which part are you all having issue understanding??

Other than that. NOT THAT IS IS RELEVANT

Making far more serious threats than " encouraging others to review a members public post history" doxing plus other implied threats that could endanger the members life.

Making a STRANGE deal where apparently he withhold the DOX from investigators if he gets paid?? or what the fuck else is the point of saying to the alleged debtor I will reveal your dox if you do NOT pay me 650 bucks for a 1 satoshi loan I just bought?

I don't see TMAN saying he will give loyce the 650 bucks  NOT THAT IT MATTERS.

So if there are any points you are not clear on speak up but stop cluttering and derailing my threat by conflating DOUBLE STANDARDS with  specific legalities you "believe" are relevant to certain countries , and if you believe TMans is going to give the money to loyce anyway.

Transparent Rules that are applied equally to all members  - have you got that now??

No point saying to people that are being punished by the CLEAR double standards, double standards that are permitting undeniable scammers and scammer supporters to punish other honest members whilst creaming off the top rev streams from themselves..... WELL DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT.... just live to your own standards??

No thanks. I will make sure the SAME standards are applied equally to ALL members.


Double standards = scamming.

Double standards WILL BE highlighted and constantly repeated when and where they are on topic and relevant. No ignoring , enduring, putting up with or accepting. NONE.

Where as telling some one who is accusing you of being a liar who refuses to provide any evidence that if they continue to do so you will encourage others to review their post history to find out the truth for themselves  IS LEGALLY blackmail and extortion you say??

His actions.. by his, laudas and yoggs OWN STANDARDS and definition is  clearly extortion and blackmail.

Offering the dox does not seem to be the only implied or clear threat either.

EITHER WAY by their own standards (yoggs, laudas tmans standards are stated as making ANY threat to induce a certain action) is blackmail and extortion.

I think you are missing the point. THEY ARE IMPOSING DOUBLE STANDARDS regardless of the legal standing in whatever country.
You did notice I said ACCORDING TO DT MEMBERS in the thread title right? not some specific countries laws?

I question (not deny) your legal advice anyway. I find it hard to believe that you can threaten action that you certainly are aware could be placing a persons life in danger in order to force them to hand money over to you that you " allegedly " are owed. Wonder what would happen if that information being presented led to them being killed. Besides I don't think if you read the OTHER wording in red that the threats end there.

Also the entire ethos of this seems HIGHLY questionable. I mean what is the threat?? he will NOT give the other members the dox if HE is paid out only?? LOL nice

Well done though, for actually posting something of some questionable value and being somewhat ontopic and relevant if even if you are missing the point completely. DOUBLE STANDARDS. I'm not sure we need to have things LEGALLY 100% correct so long as the SAME standards are held to all members. Although if everyone is happy to only have punishment only allocated on a basis of one countries LAWS that is fine by us too.

I don't think there is a need for another croatian dog yapping in here. Go yap at your croatian pal or alt lauda for doing the same thing in his escrow with other peoples BTC.

Theymos has ALREADY said he thinks it is a bit slimy so I see no need to keep giving opinions on it when theymos is well aware clearly now of what has happened.

This is how this bunch of colluders work here they all turn a blind eye to their own actions on doing the exact same thing or actually support each other for doing it. Then when someone else does the same or less they all harp on about it like they are totally disgusted by it LOL

We get it , it appears it could be a bit slimy. But your pals have done far worse.

Now let's wait for OG's comment himself.

It's strange THE SAME BUNCH are so mortified at behaviors they endorse from their pals. LOL

Nice to virtue signal whilst supporting the other undeniable scammers and scammer supporters circling here trying to stir up shit against OG for the EXACT SAME THINGS (using other peoples funds to profit for themselves on forks) they have done previously to other members.

OG should be allowed to comment before his known enemies here that will say or do anything to discredit him.

LOL like you would be ever seeing that 500 BTC again if you had given it to lauda, tman, owlcatz, yogg or any other scum bag here bad mouthing him like hypocrites for things they have done themselves OR actually they have done far worse.

This thread seems to have been derailed and theymos has answered the original points addressed in the initial post.

OG should just comment to clear it all up.  Then if theymos says it is fair the board has a slice of any forks claimed that would be for them to work out between them.

Wait for OG to come here and comment himself.

Theymos has said it looks a bit" skanky" or whatever to have done this so I'm sure OG is off crying somewhere lashing himself since I have never seen him dare to answer theymos back before although I know he fucking hates the new "improved" systems of control. Those stern words from theymos will have been devastating for him.

Let's not forget he gave the " good" forks and all the 500BTC back after years of holding it.  I wonder how many other members theymos would have counted on for that.  Don't think he would be asking tman, lauda or the newanon here to hold 500 btc for a few years for me would you haha

YES we read it and NO it did not at all occur to us that you were trying to help us.

1. YOU are LYING and stating WE STARTED ATTACKING PEOPLE

that is a LIE. I just told you Lauda started attacking CH FIRST calling him a liar then when CH said present the lies Lauda refused and just repeated it over and over. Then CH said he would encourage people to review laudas post history to see who was a liar.

that does not even take into account the FACT suchmoron and that other DT goons started attacking CH and trying to get him banned for pointing out MERIT was a pile of subjective, meaningless, cycled, abused and dangerous garbage.

So NO I don't consider casting us in a NEGATIVE light and making up LIES that we were attacking people as you trying to HELP.

Now stick to debating the central points listed in the initial post.


@VLOM

Yes, we believe it is still possible to fight for a transparent set of rules that are applied FAIRLY and EQUALLY to all members. We will not tolerate a 2 tier system.

You are correct the systems of control that theymos has designed have completely transformed this place into a replica of the central banking system with the merits being issued by a tiny handful who collude together to control every aspect of this forum resulting in them and their pals alone taking over all the best rev streams here.

There can be no denial of this, there has been NO attempt to even rebut this because it is impossible to do so.

Just allowing the merit cancer to creep over the entire board (going primarily to those ONLY the DT/merit colluding scum believe will fall inline with them and support the status quo they have engineered) now even creeping into the MERIT VOLUME button for the rest of the forum is terrible to watch.

Secretly theymos can see this is a total cluster fuck and every single thing we say is impossible to deny hence why he will not ever dare enter into debate over the mechanisms and their clear implications.

I mean what other system would Enable, sanction, reward, and entrench a bunch of some of the worst long term scammers, extortionists, willing scam facilitators, with multiple counts of undeniable financially motivated wrong doing to grasp the positions of TRUST and POWER/INFLUENCE (merit) and allow them to use this to PUNISH those long term honest members that have ZERO instances of financially motivated wrong doing, always pushed of the fairest distributions of projects , fought the largest of scams ( supported by these same scum bag dts) fought the largest scammers ................PUNISH them for whistle blowing on the worst long term scammers and financially dangerous scum here.

Theymos then even seeks to help these worst long term scammers have their red trust removed ( to keep the peace apparently)  whilst claiming the most honest members here have spread lies and are CRAZY and obviously INSANE  for getting pissed off that he has developed a system that allows scammers to punish honest members for whistle blowing on them. LOL

It is good that he is starting to see these scum for what they really are. WAKEY WAKEY theymos get these double standards pushing scammers well away from merit/trust and any other positions they can leverage for their own financial gain. They only kiss up to you whilst they are using you as their useful idiot to raise the merit to 250 and things are going their way, watch them stab you in the back and start being far less servile once you start to introduce some fair transparent standards ALL members must be measured against.


I mean just look at this single issue here. ALICE who has her phone snatched by BOB. Alice telling bob to return her property or she will report this to the police is a BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST according to ALL OF DT. Not one say NO of course BOB is a thieving scumbag piece of shit and alice is well within her right to say that and certainly should report it. NO DT says she is a blackmailer.

TMan comes to a thread where people are meant to be forming a LEGAL combined effort to get their funds returned to them. He then starts buying the debts for 1 satoshi and threatening the debtor with doxing and all other manner of threatening shit and " scary words" ohhh... to get his $650 bucks

The same people STEAMTYME who is calling alice a blackmailer/extortionist is defending his mutal dt include and merit cycling pals actions say not blackmail/not extortion nothing wrong at all here. It is a good thing he is doing? oh really??

The double standards are sickening.

We will keep pointing them out where we like when the fuck we like. If the DT members don't like it. TOUGH SHIT scumbags.

If the systems of control want to enable, reward and empower scammers to punish honest members then they will need to be pulled up on every instance of clear double standards we notice.

Start debunking our central points or just remain our bitches to slap around whenever we feel like it.

OR

Start living up to the SAME STANDARDS you want to hold everyone else to.

There is no other strategy required. Present observable instances of clear double standards , scamming etc by DT members is all that is required.

WRONG it was their initial attacks as stated - stop playing fucking dumb.

Their initial attacks, lies and trust abuse. Undeniable.

Red marks ...oh no.  

You have demonstrated you are a total asslicking dreg that will say anything to spam chipmixer. Got it idiot.

NOW THEN rather than just SAY THINGS that pop into your servile assfeltching mind that are clearly bullshit when investigated. SAY THINGS AND CORROBORATE THEM WITH OBSERVABLE INSTANCES. Then they may have some value.

Bring evidence.

However, stick to the ON TOPIC AND RELEVANT points made in the initial post. Stop derailing with bullshit you just make up

WATCH THIS

Bring one central point we have made about your PALS who you mutually include on dt and cycle merits with or about the systems of control that has been conclusively debunked. I await your reply.

No more " the opposite of facts " from you burger flipper lol.... that is likely where SS got the idea from.

Have you not got some poor people to fleece with you loan shark rates?? what a scum bag.

All sounds like a lot of false excuses to AVOID debating the points clearly made in the  initial post.

DERAILING.

Looks like MORE ad hominem cowardly tactics to avoid tackling the central points made in the initial post.

Thanks for summoning foxy. He was crucial in proving ALICE was a blackmailing extortionist scumbag and poor old bob the innocent...

His not-based-on -reasoning based opinions are always welcome. 

I'm glad you at least realize your limitations and use.

Now either tackle the points in the initial post or fuck off.  Tired of low function DT feltching servile scum trying to derail the thread with their groundless speculations that are not even relevant or on topic.

Bring some substance imbecile or have your posts torn to pieces like the fragile garbage and derailing net negative trash they are.

I have no care as to what you think, you piece of servile dirt.  Have you got that now.

PROVE that we are bad actors OR ELSE fuck back off under your rock. Sounds like a bunch of bias moronic speculation from a fucking imbecile.

Now when you have finished with your gay fantasies and dreams about getting dun in da ass (likely never happens without payment)

You have no experience here. Never heard of you before because you are a non achieving  loser on welfare.

This poor wretch defines..

 Those that clearly present undeniable observable instances of scamming, scammer supporting, willing scam facilitating and clear double standards = Those that cry the most

Yeah those people presenting clear evidence of DT wrong doing = the bad guys.

Keep taking your meds filth bag.

@suchmoron our fav lurker/stalker

Stop hiding and get out here fatso and debate the initial post. Is the other idiot one of your alts or something. Seems to be taking the same play here. A bunch of zero content speculation and garbage that just falls to pieces when you ask for any EVIDENCE or PROOF.


Notice how this thread is getting DERAILED again by those that will NOT DARE debate the points in the initial post.

With bitcoin based payouts it does not really matter. Although to me it does not seem fair if the places are highly desirable and limited.

With tokens then you should not allow alts if it is possible to prevent them. That is not to say from a reputation pov that they are essentially untrustworthy but only that it should be strongly discouraged.