It looks like this thread is dying. Maybe it will become active again when monero rallies and the trolls crawl out of the woodworks.

hear, hear

Its very hard to imagine something called "homeland" not being unabashed state propaganda. But who knows.

*edit* ROFL!

i am trying to get registered to the new forum. when ever i enter my key id it says that im entering it in the wrong format. what is the correct format? does anyone know what is the correct syntax to pass to gnupg on linux to get it to spit out the format that i need?

*edit* i tried this format where it specifies that its a 4096 bit key 4096R/932F061A and i tried it just as 932F061A and i tried the longer format from passing it --list-keys --with-colon giving A2124DF0932F061A. it didn't like any of those formats.

if you would like, i can point my moneroforum.org domain name at your servers.

Changing the total number of monero that will be created would be a breach of trust with all current holders. Changing the emission curve so that that same total amount was generated over a different time frame would not be as bad. But we really shouldn’t even be considering changing the total money supply.

Notice my very specific use of the word sufficiently. I too give a lot of weight to the value of bitcoins network and infrastructure. That's why i still own a lot of it

I'm only suggesting that if sufficiently superior technology comes along than it will unseat bitcoin. The markets arn't going to wait until this actually happens to price in this risk. They are already pricing it in. Infact i think its very unlikely that such a sufficiently superior technology will not emerge at some point in the future. Bitcoin security cost is high, non adaptive and wasteful. Anonymity is expensive and perhaps even at large cost involves counter-party risk and/or is potentially insufficient for certain tasks. And perhaps there is the opportunity to develop blockchains like systems that scale better. Those are just some examples. What do you do about it? Keep your ear to the ground.

bytecoins still alive...

I think people often confuse bitcoin for crypto in general. The writing is on the wall for crypto. It solves myriad real world problems that nothing else that has ever been invented can, or anything that will be invented for quite some time likely will. To confuse crypto currency in general for bitcoin specifically however might end up getting a lot of people burned.

My response to thunderfoot in the comments section:

I agree with a lot of your criticisms of stefan here. He is indeed dishonest and manipulative in his never ending pursuit of more status. But you make so many mistakes in the process of showing what a bad person he is that its hard to watch. You arnt even addressing his points. Ill give you an example.

Stefan says people who advocate socialized medicine advocate you being shot for disagreeing with them. Stefans statement here is a priori true. If you decline to pay for their medical services than they advocate you being arrested, and if you defend yourself against the governments attempt to cease your person they will probably shoot you, but if not than they will taze you or something similar, and if you defend yourself against that than they absolutely will shoot you. Notice that this is value neutral. It makes no claim about whether socialized medicine is a good thing or not. It does not at all follow from stefan's true statement that socialized medicine is a bad thing. Sometimes threatening to shoot people is a good thing. Ill do it right now, if i ever catch you in the process of raping someone i will shoot you. Perfectly valid.

The problem here is that instead of explaining why its false, or explaining why its a good thing that its true, you just rephrase the description of the arrangement using nice sounding words like rule of law and democracy and "the people". Not only is this sort of language less precise and so less effective at describing the arrangement in question, its the worst sort of emotional manipulation. Dare i say on the level of stefan himself? No i wont go that far. But its not significantly better.

Love the channel by the way. This one may have been difficult to sit through but i will certainly be back for the next.

How much monero do mew members have to have?

Yea there is a good point here. What is the ideal emission curve vs should the emission curve be changed at all are two entirely separate questions. My reply was more along the lines of what would be the most ideal emission curve and not any claim about whether it should be changed.

As for the arbitrary nature of these decisions yes i agree, it is very arbitrary and non adaptable. I think this is a very strong legitimate criticism about all crypto in general. Ideally we would have market feedback that would allow us to adapt these values to the optimal level, that is the level at which all attacks that are prevented by said emission would be avoided but only just. But there is no way to measure and determine what this value use. Not in any verifiable way. If we were to make it variable, it would end up coming down to the decisions of individuals which opens up room for corruption. It would be a bit like having a crypto federal reserve. Not ideal.

Right now the mechanism we have, and the only one that we may ever have, is market competition between different cryptos. Where the ones that select the best static values gain capitalization and the ones that chose bad static values lose it. Its slow, cumbersome, and non addaptive but it is perhaps the best answer we will ever have to this problem. (other than proof of stake which has its own shortcomings).

also the block chain may be able to sense if it is not secure enough, but another big problem that people often over look, and something that it never could sense, is whether it is paying too much for security. Miners can see if there are long orphan chains than perhaps the reward should be raised. But even then it opens up new attack vectors for fraud with people purposefully crafting long orphan chains inorder to change the reward.

I vote for a flat emission curve. X monero per block for ever. Though I know no one else would ever support that.

This may be wrong but I think there is a pretty reasonable chance that it isn’t, so this is an important insight I think. Also something I had not thought of myself, so thanks for bringing that up.

If you are going to make a statement like that than you need to qualify it. Many if not most people on this forum would disagree. If you are going to make an assertion that almost everyone would disagree with than it needs to be accompanied by an argument, else it looks a lot like trolling.

Thanks for the reply david. OP updated.

I for one would very much like to know.