This decision still makes my skin crawl, because I know it is wrong to do, it is unethical. My skin crawls when I think of big bankers, because I know they are evil motherfuckers. I just cannot believe how many followers there are. It's like the ones that state, usa is not a police state, makes my skin fucking crawl. /venting

I would advocate leaving this decision to miners. Miners should have the ability to form a marketplace for what they will confirm in a block and what they won't confirm. Would you accept this system?

Trying to talk to a wall is impossible. They won't ever get it, they will follow and do what ever the dictator says or does. :/

Another words, they will follow



no matter what.

I'm curious. Those who feel this shouldn't exist, then how do you propose we eliminate vacuous transactions meant to bog down the network?

Well, I haven't actually reviewed it yet and that's why I'm here so I can find out more.

My site is at http://www.geekmom.net

You're attempting convince others in this forum to believe in the arguments you're presenting.  Nobody is going to take you seriously when you present your arguments like a 15 year old girl texting her friends.  Simply review your response to me.  Who is going to take your views, versus the developers, regarding the changes to the bitcoin protocol seriously when you can't formulate a proper sentence.

Hey Gweedo,
Sorry for being the English police, but do you understand the difference between the words "cause" and "because"?  While your arguments might have merit, you discredit yourself  with  your shitty adolescent understanding of basic grammar.

EDIT: actually rant on, Just found out via PM there is such a thing as an IGNORE button.

Click.....ahhhh.....relax.....

Well proposed an option, you could create a "single issue" mining pool, and get people that agree with you to join.

Or you could try to help solving the underlying issue such that this kind of "censorship" is not needed in the first place. But that's very hard.

You keep calling it censorship, and trying to control how you spend your btc... Well lets flip that around, as a miner you are telling me that I have to include every one of your transactions no matter what. And I should spend my resources confirming your transactions just because that's what you want. However if I choose to only include transactions that have a fee attached I'm censoring you? You (and anyone else) are free to broadcast as many transactions as you want, of whatever size you want, however you are not free to tell me which ones I have to process or the order in which I have to process them. So as a miner if I decide that from this point on any transaction I include in any block I process will have a 0.001 fee or I will not work it how am I censoring you? Sure I'll include your 0.00000001 transaction but it will cost you 0.001 for me to do so, why? Cause that's my cost to run this node, you don't like it? Run your own node or someone else can pick it up for less and once it's in a block everyone will carry it.

I also read where this is the first step in automating the minimum tx fee. At this point, seeing as this is not done, we can only speculate on how this will be implemented. I for one hope that whatever I pass as a command line argument or set in a config file will override the automated method. But I will reserve judgement on that.

I did, I read the code the only real change in the behavior is it's checking a run time variable vs a constant.. and said run time variable is different then the constant, if one wants the old behavior pass old value to new run time variable. Or if really concerned write a patch that changes that magic number back to the old magic number and put in a pull request.

Yes your reply is too sane for this thread! It is for people that want to rant baselessly against a feature that is configurable by any miner, with a simple command line option. Be gone

So... Let me get this straight... Everyone is all wound up because the fee's have changed...

I think I've found the problem.

You have been operating under the mistaken impression that miners had to include certain transactions, and that nodes had to relay them.

No one has ever had to do anything.  Miners have always been free to set their own policies for inclusion into blocks, and node operators have always been free to set their own relay policies.

This patch makes it vastly easier for miners and node operators to implement their own policy decisions.  Calling it "regulation" or "censorship" is somewhere between Orwellian and Kafkaesque.

You don't need a new client.  You can just disable these things in the config file.  Jesus Christ.  This isn't some hard-coded bullying, it's actually a USEFUL addition that allows users and miners to control those variables, which was NOT previously an option.  The 53 ubc or whatever it was is set as a DEFAULT setting so "dumb" users don't have to do anything to make sure that their transactions will always be relayed by all miners regardless of circumstances.  Read the fucking pull.  Jesus.  This is a GOOD update that gives users MORE control.  You don't even understand what's happening-- you're boycotting a figment of your imagination FFS.

You have absolutely no clue whatsoever.  And since you obviously don't bother to read anything which doesn't line up 100% to your religious fantasies about how Bitcoin works, I don't expect you will ever get one.  Do you even run a Bitcoin node?  Noticed it takes quite a bit of disk space and it's memory footprint seems to be increasing by the day?  Not a DoS in progress, you say?

I think it's fantastic that you care deeply about Bitcoin, but I also think you're confused about whats going on— and as a result you're attacking other people who care deeply about Bitcoin and do a lot to protect it as well as attacking a beneficial change which will protect Bitcoin to the extent that it does anything at all.

I'm trying to decode what you're saying and I didn't respond that way with the intention of insulting you. I think if we were able to achieve productive communication you'd agree with me and wouldn't worry about this.

LOL, you accuse me of skewing.  You can care about whatever you want, but it's an outright lie to represent "It's a bad idea [forever]" as winning over the current combination majority who are, at this very moment in current conditions, collectively in favor.  Not that a vote holds any sway over what the development team of an open-source project has to do.

Oh, just Gavin's greedy.  Sounds just as ridiculous as the whole team being greedy, so my point stands.  Having a vendetta against Satoshi Dice is not the same as being greedy, even if such a vendetta is the reason for this change.  By Satoshi Dice's own estimation, the increase to their costs is so tiny it's laughable to say this will kill them.  They might have to pay 430 extra satoshi, a whopping $0.0005074 at current prices.


You will still be able to do this.  You just have to find nodes to relay and mine the transaction for you, just like you do today.  The default settings are just making it harder.  Since you're willing to pay any fees, please contact a pool op and make a deal to ensure your transaction is mined.