Why most of atheists here on this forum feel so threatened that they have to attack against religious world view all the time? Are they so insecure about their own world view? Why they are so scared?  We come out because it is age of reason, Information Age, not Middle Ages or Bronze Age. The time for your bullshit ideas has passed. Accept it and we can all move on. Religion had its time in the Sun. I for one know there is no God, devil, heaven or hell. Never was never will. If you have proof to change my mind, we already have a thread for that. |
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All is not lost when young (hot!!!) girls are Atheists. Spread and multiply!!! |
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Forget the crazy shit on page one, the creation story. I hope you don't believe world was created in 6 days. I'm assuming all Christians rationalize that one as a metaphor.
Actually the first page is one of the most accurate parts of the Bible, and fits surprisingly well to our present knowledge about the history of the universe: [1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, [1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.] Universe as a singularity [1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. [1:4] And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. [1:5] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. Big bang[1:6] And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." [1:7] So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. [1:8] God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day Planetary genesis [1:9] And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. [1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. Late Hadean and early Archean crust formation and the first appearance of the oceans [1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so. [1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. [1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day. Archean life mostly algae like stuff [1:14] And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, [1:15] and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so. [1:16] God made the two great lights - the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night - and the stars. [1:17] God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth, [1:18] to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. [1:19] And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day. Atmospheric transition during the Proterozoic made the Sun, the Moon and the stars visible (but till the end of the Archean period the Sun had a lot less output than today) [1:20] And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky." [1:21] So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good. [1:22] God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." [1:23] And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day. Cambrian explosion [1:24] And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind." And it was so. [1:25] God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good. [1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." [1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. The rest of the evolution (including mankind)... Let me stop you right there, at step one. Earth was created before big bang? Water before big bang? Don't you need hydrogen and oxygen to have water? |
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Religion is a great business these days.
How can I create my own religion and get followers?
you should be good at perception management.. and show some fake magic and last one is scare people.. these are the compounding of a typical religion.. For tutorials, guidance on how to structure your scam to avoid legal troubles, visit this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367070.0 |
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What's interesting is the zealots here who are rabidly insisting on telling me what I believe.
They don't believe in the Bible, but they claim to be able to interpret it better than thousands of scholars.
And they hate anyone who disagrees with their biased agenda-driven interpretations.
It's sad when people are indoctrinated with such dogma that causes them to hate and attack people, even while they're speaking in ignorance and telling other people what to believe.
I think a lot of people are driven away from atheism because of all the atheists who try to control people by forcing their beliefs on others and attacking and silencing all different opinions through intimidation and mockery.
I guess it's based in xenophobia and the hatred of diversity and anyone being different from themselves. Basically like racism.
Did I say for you not to believe in this batshit crazy stuff? I said any rational person should not. I said for you to explain the batshit crazy stuff in the Bible, the Bible that is the base for your belief system. You don't even know what the Bible says. |
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What I have problem is with people who try to tell me black is white.
But you don't mind telling everyone else that black is white. Just like this guy saying "It says flat" and then posting quotes that don't say anything like that. You can keep telling yourself that black is white, but don't expect me to agree. Fuck, you are not getting it. Take the first verse as an example. Tell me when is it ok to smash babies against the rocks? You are ignorant of the Bible, so I'll go easy on you, but When is it ok to kill gays? When is it ok to own other human being? When is it ok to kill someone because they worked on Sabbath? I really would like to know, how can you rationalize the above? Forget the crazy shit on page one, the creation story. I hope you don't believe world was created in 6 days. I'm assuming all Christians rationalize that one as a metaphor. Dude this one doesn't give a shit about reasoning! He just claims that a round earth can have 4 corners xD I know, he thinks we are attacking his religion. And refuses to even read the verses in the OP. Nobody is attacking anyone. We are just pointing out the crazy shit the Bible says. It is up to him to explain himself and his fucking God (a group of bronze age psychopaths). |
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What I have problem is with people who try to tell me black is white.
But you don't mind telling everyone else that black is white. Just like this guy saying "It says flat" and then posting quotes that don't say anything like that. You can keep telling yourself that black is white, but don't expect me to agree. Fuck, you are not getting it. Take the Psalm 137:9 verse as an example. Tell me when is it ok to smash babies against the rocks? You are ignorant of the Bible, so I'll go easy on you, but When is it ok to kill gays? When is it ok to own other human being? When is it ok to kill someone because they worked on Sabbath? I really would like to know, how can you rationalize the above? Forget the crazy shit on page one, the creation story. I hope you don't believe world was created in 6 days. I'm assuming all Christians rationalize that one as a metaphor. |
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You just want to let everyone know that you don't believe in God, and you're pretending to have some logical reasons to back up your beliefs. But if someone dismantles any or all of your arguments, you'll just change the subject to something else, because your arguments don't even matter to you. So why should anyone else take them seriously?
What's illogical to don't believe in a book containing things as dumb as "the Earth is flat" or "You shouldn't eat rabbit" or "The world is 7 000 years old"? It does say that Israelites shouldn't eat rabbit. But it doesn't say the earth is flat or 7000 years old. If you were logical, you wouldn't need lies as your only examples of why you don't like the Bible. Think about that - the first things you come up with aren't even true. So it is your own writing, and not the Bible, which is proven false. I don't have issue with the Bible. It is collection of crazy stories, no question there. It is obvious to anyone who can read. What I have problem is with people who try to tell me black is white. Believe it or die. That is what is offensive. You don't want to discuss individual verses because deep down you know that you cannot reconcile Bible verses with 21st century. Your statements should be offensive to anyone with half a brain, including you. |
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The oldest near factual distance we can go back is barely 5,000 years. Carbon dating has proven itself unreliable. Sumer dating through the "pottery" method suggests an age possibly as far back as 5,000 years. And even that is not a certainty. We can tell that the earth is older than that, but we can't tell haw old beyond that. We absolutely have a lot of guesses, however. Since they are guesses, people who believe them as fact have a religion going for themselves.  Carbon dating is absolutely not unreliable whatever you say. And not only that but carbon dating is not the only method we use to date old things. It's plain stupidity to think that the world is 5k years old. The fact that carbon dating is unreliable isn't my idea by any means. Google it. Even tree ring and ice core samplings are judgmental in the ways they are used to date things. We might be able to go back a little past 4,500 years or so, but beyond that, it becomes very unclear - dating pottery and written-on-clay fragments. Lingual and genetic changes seem to trace back only to about 5,000 years. Beyond that even these kinds of datings become foggy. What else is there other than guesswork? FOGGY? WTF??? Carbon dating is EXTREMELY RELIABLE! Yeah go and Google it! Seems you need to: "The reliability of the results can be improved by lengthening the testing time. For example, if counting beta decays for 250 minutes is enough to give an error of ± 80 years, with 68% confidence." It means you have 70% to have the right date with 80 years error. So if you do it 10 times in a row, you have A FUCKING GOOD RELIABILITY!!! And again carbon 14 datation is not at all the only one used by scientists! Do you even know how it works? and bronze age dating is crystal clear. 13.8 billion is just 6 days and 4.5 billion is 6000 years. Give it take few years  Nothing wrong with the math here. Seems clear to me.  Lord works in mysterious ways (on your brain). |
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The oldest near factual distance we can go back is barely 5,000 years. Carbon dating has proven itself unreliable. Sumer dating through the "pottery" method suggests an age possibly as far back as 5,000 years. And even that is not a certainty. We can tell that the earth is older than that, but we can't tell haw old beyond that. We absolutely have a lot of guesses, however. Since they are guesses, people who believe them as fact have a religion going for themselves. Carbon dating is absolutely not unreliable whatever you say. And not only that but carbon dating is not the only method we use to date old things. It's plain stupidity to think that the world is 5k years old. The fact that carbon dating is unreliable isn't my idea by any means. Google it. Even tree ring and ice core samplings are judgmental in the ways they are used to date things. We might be able to go back a little past 4,500 years or so, but beyond that, it becomes very unclear - dating pottery and written-on-clay fragments. Lingual and genetic changes seem to trace back only to about 5,000 years. Beyond that even these kinds of datings become foggy. What else is there other than guesswork? FOGGY? WTF??? Carbon dating is EXTREMELY RELIABLE! Yeah go and Google it! Seems you need to: "The reliability of the results can be improved by lengthening the testing time. For example, if counting beta decays for 250 minutes is enough to give an error of ± 80 years, with 68% confidence." It means you have 70% to have the right date with 80 years error. So if you do it 10 times in a row, you have A FUCKING GOOD RELIABILITY!!! And again carbon 14 datation is not at all the only one used by scientists! Do you even know how it works? and bronze age dating is crystal clear. 13.8 billion is just 6 days and 4.5 billion is 6000 years. Give it take few years |
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Religion is a great business these days.
How can I create my own religion and get followers?
Register your business as such. Sky is the limit. |
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Those aren't quotes, just some vague and inaccurate descriptions of a few verses.
And you copied and pasted them from Google anyway.
So go ahead and Google for answers if you're interested.
That is what I thought. Ignorance is a bliss. |
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What a stupid statement!
What would happen if this would NOT be mentioned in the bible?
People like you would run around scared like chicken.
Revelation 22:13.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
For ever, and ever.
There is nothing god isnt aware of, does not see, does not know.
Even your deepest emotions, and thats why jesus helps us. point.
I see Christians come to this thread but none of them questions quotes in the OP. They are just ignoring them. Maybe because they are afraid God will punish them because they discuss his psychotic episodes. C'mon Christians explain the quotes in the OP. Show us the wisdom of God. Explain what we the Atheists are missing from these quotes. Let's go one by one. The floor is yours. There are no quotes in the OP. Your only point is that you don't believe in God. Even if someone answers all your questions and proves that none of your criticisms of the Bible are valid, you still won't change your position. Therefore, you're not here for an honest debate. You just want to let everyone know that you don't believe in God, and you're pretending to have some logical reasons to back up your beliefs. But if someone dismantles any or all of your arguments, you'll just change the subject to something else, because your arguments don't even matter to you. So why should anyone else take them seriously? The fact is that plenty of intelligent people have studied the Bible and found no flaws or contradictions. You are free to disagree, but you are also free to read thousands of commentaries online - if you were actually interested in answers. Since you are already ignoring thousands of available writings by thousands of accomplished scholars, there is no point in anyone wasting their time here just so you can ignore them too. Especially since you didn't even bother to write your own criticisms, but just started this thread by pasting some Youtube links of other people doing all your thinking for you. Since your only points came from Google and not your own mind, you can get your answers from Google too. Bible: ------ Kings 6:29 - cannibalism Leviticus 25:44 - slavery Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there.... Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-) Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden New Testament: -------------- Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy Luke 19:26-2 - genocide Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners Revelation 2:5 - more killing Revelation 2:23 - killing children Psalm 137:9 - killing babies Feel free to use any version of the Bible you like. |
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Do Scotland and Canada love homosexuals so much?
It's about free speech. If they can arrest you now for "hate speech" because you say something that's currently unpopular, then they could arrest you later for speaking in favor of gay marriage. Nobody's safe. So they can arrest you for saying your mind? Not kicking in the heads of people, just saying your mind? I'm not familiar with the laws there but that's just wrong. In fact that's case in the whole world. Free speech is very American. In Europe you can get sued and get a fine for saying things like "homos are the plague of humanity". Is it good? I don't know. It's the way things are. Free speech is not an important ideal in Europe. I'm all for free speech. It flushes out the crazies out of their foxholes. It is easier to expose the nonsense they spout. If you ban them from speaking, they will not go away. You will not even know how many you have. At least with free speech they have a chance (over time) to see what is wrong with their way of thinking. |
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And why can't he just let people alone and die in peace?
Why does he have to kill babies? Because the babies refused to come to him? --'
God doesn't kill babies, but us human beings. God created us with free will as satan has. Yes we know that babies doesn't sin, but God permits something to happen even if its bad because worst things might occur. . Explain the quote. Please I like to know under what context it is ok to smash your babies against the rocks. Read the rest of the Bible. Please. He refers to Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 13:16 promising good success to Cyrus and Darius, whom ambition moved to fight against Babylon, but God used them as his rods to punish his enemies. Is it moral? |
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What a stupid statement!
What would happen if this would NOT be mentioned in the bible?
People like you would run around scared like chicken.
Revelation 22:13.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
For ever, and ever.
There is nothing god isnt aware of, does not see, does not know.
Even your deepest emotions, and thats why jesus helps us. point.
I see Christians come to this thread but none of them questions quotes in the OP. They are just ignoring them. Maybe because they are afraid God will punish them because they discuss his psychotic episodes. C'mon Christians explain the quotes in the OP. Show us the wisdom of God. Explain what we the Atheists are missing from these quotes. Let's go one by one. The floor is yours. |
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And why can't he just let people alone and die in peace?
Why does he have to kill babies? Because the babies refused to come to him? --'
God doesn't kill babies, but us human beings. God created us with free will as satan has. Yes we know that babies doesn't sin, but God permits something to happen even if its bad because worst things might occur. . Explain the quote. Please I like to know under what context it is ok to smash your babies against the rocks. Read the rest of the Bible. Please. |
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I came here in peace guys because of the topic "Proof that God exists" and I want to prove it to you but it seems all of you were contradicting to my belief and testimony but I respect all of you my beloved friends and thank you for sharing all your thoughts,opinions and knowledge.
I will still follow this thread but if you want to know more about how God is good to us and to my beloved brethren you can just leave me a message to share it to you guys.
Peace be with you I love you all in the name of the Lord.
I know you are very sincere about what you believe. I do understand it. I was in your shoes. It is your choice to stay ignorant of facts, and continue on your path to insanity. You have brain, use it. Let me ask you this: do you believe in global flood and Noah's ark as described in the Bible? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc |
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The bible says God can make you rich as long as you will follow Him and serve Him with all your heart,mind,strength and soul. He can make you prosperous.
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Proverbs 10:22
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
I'm a Christian and I'm not that rich but I'm rich in the love of Dearest Jesus Christ. He changed my life from being a bad person, troublemaker,liar and everything that are not good in the sight of our Dearest Lord. I've done it. But now I want you to know that God exist! He is alive. If you have faith then He will make miracles in your life that you won't know that it is possible with Him.
I don't want to argue or debate with you guys I'm just sharing how God is so good to me.
I love you all in the Lord but Dearest Jesus loves you all more and more.
Peace be upon you. Read the Bible again. Bible is the basis of your belief system. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0You can achieve peace of mind, happiness with a bit of meditation. If you managed to convince yourself that Jesus Christ is real, that is fine. But it does not make it true, outside your brain. He does not exist in real world. Period. If you care about whether your belief is based on truth you should investigate if it is. But if you don't care if it is true, go ahead believe what you believe. Just don't preach your insanity to children. Take care. I mean it. |
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