Why does my MikeMike account and the recently created KORE - DEV account have negative feedback and a red warning:"
trade with extreme caution"
?Please see the below thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093302.msg49071157#msg49071157https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg49087465#msg49087465I think there is a valid reason to send Merit to a "Corporate Type" account
setup by the main Developer so as to manage multiple threads and projects.
It is given to denote the trust level the original Developer is designating to that legitimate account.
Specially since it takes Merit to be able to post pictures and the threads need to be created soon.
NOTE:
At the time I was not aware of the option to buy a "copper Membership" that allows you to post pictures...
Below is my reasoning taken from the negative feedback and the reference links.
Please read it all carefully prior to responding to this post.
Also what must be considered is "Intent".
Did I do this to deceive people?
I fully agree those whom buy accounts with lots of Merit and trust and history
like some well known major coins devs do here should not be tolerated.
I also believe that those whom send Merit to deceive people should not be tolerated.
I have sent 3 DMs to suchmoon asking him to be reasonable in this matter with no reply.
I also asked the Mods to at least ask him to turn it neutral and keep a watchful eye on me/The KORE Team using
the KORE - DEV account and to see if we scam people which we will not. Our projects are real and we have invested hundreds of BTC into them.
MikeMike
Here is the negative feedback reference link suchmoon the creator of this thread gave me:http://archive.vn/aIT07#selection-2761.0-2790.6
Here is my reply to the negative feedback:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771
My third attempt to reach out to suchmoon.Below is copy of this PM.
Look at the time stamp:
KORE - DEV / MikeMike negative feedback
« Sent to: suchmoon on:
January 04, 2019, 07:33:01 PM »
Note the time stamp of the creation of this thread suchmoon created here:Poll: is it OK to send merits to your own alts?
January 04, 2019, 09:10:54 PMThis IMO shows a clear refusal to be reasonable in this matter...
This is unprofessional behavior.
Please read these pms in their entirety prior to commenting...
Could you please reply regarding my previous pms to you regarding the consideration of removing or turning neutral your negative feedback.
We need to use the KORE - DEV account to create multiple new OP pages soon for the other Languages and coins.
From my first post I have been forthright as the the reason it was created.
I/We are not trying to fool anyone or scam people.
We need to be able to post graphics with this account soon and that is one other reason I sent Merit to it.
Besides wanting to show directly is is an account I/MikeMike approve of and created and showing also by Merit given to it.
I do not see where or how this is deserving of this negative feedback.
You don't have to believe it but I too am a person wanting to expose corruption and have in the past
with the old dev of KORE and other devs/coins as well as a main driving reason for the creation of these KORE Projects.
I am others were sick of being taken advantage of by scam devs.
Please respond.
My Personal PMs also prove this.
MikeMike
Below is a copy of my PM with the Moderator:I sent this copy to suchmoon today:
Look at the timestamp:
Re: KORE - DEV / MikeMike negative feedback #3
« Sent to: suchmoon on:
Today at 07:56:06 PM »
Thank you for your reply.
I could understand there being large gray areas whereby abuse is actuated.
These areas are most difficult to moderate.
As in this case I beg to differ that it is clear.
The negative feedback does not fit my actions.
I stated clearly what it was for and signed it with MikeMike so there was no
action by me of trying to hide anything.
I can understand you not taking direct action in this case
and can only imagine how difficult it is working with scammers and corrupt people.
But I'm not that kind of person and my actions will continue to prove that fact.
Could you both at least please consider reaching out to suchmoon
and ask him to consider at least turning it to neutral with a notation
that he will keep watch on me and if we as a Team or myself pull any
corrupt moves he will take action?
MikeMike
Hello,
Below is my 3rd attempt to reach out to suchmoon to have what I believe to truly be improperly submitted negative feedback.
Please review my other pms to you and the reference posts and reply feedback.
I really dont think I have done anything underhanded and we need this KORE - DEV account for below said reasons hopefully soon.
I appreciate any time you devote towards this matter.
MikeMike
Could you please reply regarding my previous pms to you regarding the consideration of removing or turning neutral your negative feedback.
We need to use the KORE - DEV account to create multiple new OP pages soon for the other Languages and coins.
From my first post I have been forthright as the the reason it was created.
I/We are not trying to fool anyone or scam people.
We need to be able to post graphics with this account soon and that is one other reason I sent Merit to it.
Besides wanting to show directly is is an account I/MikeMike approve of and created and showing also by Merit given to it.
I do not see where or how this is deserving of this negative feedback.
You don't have to believe it but I too am a person wanting to expose corruption and have in the past
with the old dev of KORE and other devs/coins as well as a main driving reason for the creation of these KORE Projects.
I am others were sick of being taken advantage of by scam devs.
Please respond.
My Personal PMs also prove this.
MikeMike
From
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:
Q: Why isn't trust moderated?
A: Feedback isn't moderated (except for obvious cases such as pure advertising, hundreds of identical empty/gibberish reports on one user) for the same reason as scams - too much room for abuse.
No. I'm neither acquainted with the situation enough to make a judgement, nor am I interested in dedicating any time to understand it. Trust disputes should be resolved by the users involved.
That is disappointing.
Reading his feedback and my response and looking at the references is all that is needed to fully understand the matter.
I presume you may have read my emails as well detailing that I have already tried reaching out a few times
with no response and is the reason I reached out to you, the Moderator.
Seems it is just you two Mods.
It might be considerate to get another Mod just for these bogus feedbacks.
What I see and what people tell me, is more and more people are leaving BitcoinTalk and this in itself is a just cause.
How can the KORE Team be able to gain any trust here with red warning notations to trade with extreme caution.
I personally have a little history here and would like to keep our real projects here as an alternative to the massive amounts of scams.
Apologies for wasting your time.
MikeMike
That thread asks for the reasons why you vote the way you did.
This is a serious issue with Bitcointalk in general.
Also the destructive nature of some of the self appointed Mods.
They too need to be "Moded" due to clear abuse and a lack of reasonableness
that could lead to positive change.
No room for valid reasonable discourse and will only lead to the further demise of Bitcointalk.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg49083888#msg49083888
One of the KORE Projects in time will cover this issue and provide a viable alternative.
I have been ridiculed and near pummeled there in the above thread for presenting facts,
alternatives and important information to various accusations both relevant and non-relevant.quote author="Bitcoin Forum"]
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You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.
It would depend a bit for me on the scammyness of whatever this "KORE" project is. I haven't really looked at it..
Can anyone that knows give me/us a quick scammyness rating of this on a scale from 1 to 10? (apart from this merit problem)
I don't know about scamminess. But the thread is extremely shitty, self-moderated but not really moderated, and MikeMike himself multi-bumps it a lot with his own account and alts. Disregard for forum rules just like most shitcoin threads.
If the scammynss of this all is relatively low other than this meriting I think it would be nice of Suchmoon to possibly make a deal on this issue..
Some things I can think of......
1. Burn the merited account.. Send the password of it to Suchmoon for destruction of the account..
I think this would basically destroy the sent merit and Mike would just have lost the smerit..
Maybe all of its posts can be deleted too before burning it..
I have already agreed to not red-trust his new alts, just the two involved in the 40-merit trade. Normally I would neg-trust any known alts because a scammer is a scammer. So this would allow him to create the "team" account he wanted and abandon the red trusted one with 40 merits.
I hate these kinds of deals though because now it obligates me to watch if MikeMike and/or the team is involved in any shenanigans and if anything untoward happens it's going to be my fault. So that's about as far as I can go with it.
Also depending on these "attacks"..
If he has been belligerent, violent, extremely disrespectful, threatening, much bad behavior otherwise maybe he should keep the red just for his reaction if it has been terrible..
I'm not sure we have all of these PMs/"attacks" available..
Nothing violent in PMs. Just the regular "I didn't do anything wrong" spiel in a dozen different ways. The posts that I deleted in this thread had some ad hominems but I'm not gonna hold personal grudges. I'm not the nicest person to deal with so I expect nothing less in return
Defense of being slandered is not whining.
Please create a new thread in Reputation and post anything you want there. I will add a link to it here.
I'm deleting all this nonsense from this thread because you're clearly not listening. Your "defense" here is over and you're no longer welcome to post in this thread.
Have a great week!MikeMike
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And while I think it's certainly abuse, I don't believe Theymos wants DT members tagging members who merit their alts. DT members have done it in the past, but in the past few months I don't think a lot of merit-swapping deals have gotten negged. It all depends on how blatant and extensive the abuse is and IF a DT member feels like giving them a neg.
I agree and this is basically what I was trying to express earlier in this thread
(post #4)I don't mind that this tag was placed since it is an unethical act and was quite a few merits but the post referenced does lend credence to the claim it was a mistake made out of pure ignorance.
I have seen in the past seemingly legit companies ruining relations with bitcointalk out of pure ignorance and at times it feels a shame that they just didn't read the rules and understand the cultural etiquette here before they made mistakes.
It would depend a bit for me on the scammyness of whatever this "KORE" project is. I haven't really looked at it..
Can anyone that knows give me/us a quick scammyness rating of this on a scale from 1 to 10? (apart from this merit problem)
If the scammynss of this all is relatively low other than this meriting I think it would be nice of Suchmoon to possibly make a deal on this issue..
Some things I can think of......
1. Burn the merited account.. Send the password of it to Suchmoon for destruction of the account..
I think this would basically destroy the sent merit and Mike would just have lost the smerit..
Maybe all of its posts can be deleted too before burning it..
2. Maybe make mike read the rules and make 100 good reports and/or make him write you a small essay on the working of the merit system and the ethics thereof so he will be henceforth educated..
3. Make him wear the red for 3 months or so as a warning to others and then change it to a neutral..
If he otherwise seems to bring value to the forum..
Also depending on these "attacks"..
If he has been belligerent, violent, extremely disrespectful, threatening, much bad behavior otherwise maybe he should keep the red just for his reaction if it has been terrible..
I'm not sure we have all of these PMs/"attacks" available..
It is my objective to help ones not make the same mistake, help ones use the merit system in general.
Here is more:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096416.msg49088331#msg49088331There is no scammyness to KORE nor the KORE Team.
My mention of "attacks" in PM has nothing to do with any PMs from suchmoon.
He has not attacked me in PM nor has anyone else from this thread.
Although what is going on here and posted feedback is close to it and some is absolutely false.
KORE does not have even 1 sock puppet account and we can prove that.
It was my PM to suchmoon explaining that KORE had been seriously attacked that caused the loss of an entire Coder Team
and all the work generated from that team as well as material losses.
That Team has been rebuilt from the ground up.
I even let suchmoon know we would be willing to have a voice meeting with them.
Same goes for you or anyone who has any doubt about the truthfulness of anything I have said and posted.
I do expect this post to be deleted since it has to do with me defending myself, the KORE Projects, KORE Team and my actions.
It seems this thread is for a one way street and that is seriously damaging to BitcoinTalk
as well as the actions of those who tend to make themselves "in command" here.
I have made a few attempts in the past to find out the data on this new merit system.
I did not find much and my recent searches today using the search box above were not fruitful either.
See here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg49087465#msg49087465
I have no desire to jump through hoops to supposedly "redeem myself".
I really think people here should take a good look at what the heck is going on
and do some self retrospection and hopefully they are capable of it.
My normal actions prove whom I am and are against the scams and corruption
of the insidious devs and scams making up the bulk of the projects found on BitcoinTalk.
Again unfortunately most those posts of facts, defense of myself of the wild and untrue
accusations posted here have been deleted.MikeMikeEDIT:OK here ya go.
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You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.
It would depend a bit for me on the scammyness of whatever this "KORE" project is. I haven't really looked at it..
Can anyone that knows give me/us a quick scammyness rating of this on a scale from 1 to 10? (apart from this merit problem)
I don't know about scamminess. But the thread is extremely shitty, self-moderated but not really moderated, and MikeMike himself multi-bumps it a lot with his own account and alts. Disregard for forum rules just like most shitcoin threads.
This is a lie. I do not have alts and can prove it.People who do not hardly speak English make for not the greatest posts.If the scammynss of this all is relatively low other than this meriting I think it would be nice of Suchmoon to possibly make a deal on this issue..
Some things I can think of......
1. Burn the merited account.. Send the password of it to Suchmoon for destruction of the account..
I think this would basically destroy the sent merit and Mike would just have lost the smerit..
Maybe all of its posts can be deleted too before burning it..
I have already agreed to not red-trust his new alts, just the two involved in the 40-merit trade. Normally I would neg-trust any known alts because a scammer is a scammer. So this would allow him to create the "team" account he wanted and abandon the red trusted one with 40 merits.
I hate these kinds of deals though because now it obligates me to watch if MikeMike and/or the team is involved in any shenanigans and if anything untoward happens it's going to be my fault. So that's about as far as I can go with it.Not going to happen so dont worry.Also depending on these "attacks"..
If he has been belligerent, violent, extremely disrespectful, threatening, much bad behavior otherwise maybe he should keep the red just for his reaction if it has been terrible..
I'm not sure we have all of these PMs/"attacks" available..
Nothing violent in PMs. Just the regular "I didn't do anything wrong" spiel in a dozen different ways. The posts that I deleted in this thread had some ad hominems but I'm not gonna hold personal grudges. I'm not the nicest person to deal with so I expect nothing less in return
What I posted to you in PM is that at the time I did not have intent to do wrong
and was a bit ignorant of the proper use of merit and have clearly posted here about that.
I never created not even 1 so called "sock puppet" account ever in all the years I have been here.
So I dont like being slandered.No, you are not pleasant to deal with but again be honest.
I in no way attacked you in the few PM's I sent you.
I asked for dialog with no reply from you.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28856522#msg28856522In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:
| Rank | Required activity | Required merit |
| Brand new | 0 | 0 |
| Newbie | 1 | 0 |
| Jr Member | 30 | 1 |
| Member | 60 | 10 |
| Full Member | 120 | 100 |
| Sr. Member | 240 | 250 |
| Hero Member | 480 | 500 |
| Legendary | Random in the range 775-1030 | 1000 |
You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points,
half of those points can be sent by you to other people.
Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.
There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
- Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.
While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively
high-quality, not just posts that you
agree with.
Do not beg for merit excessively.
Useful infographicsForum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographicibminer's infographic8Habits's infographicJetSet11's infographiczentdex's infographicalia_armelle's infographicIf you want to be a merit source: 1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months
by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.
I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.
Trivia:For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.
If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.
There are stats
here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.
NOTE:For the Bitcointalk Merit system to be used properly this information should be posted in the "Merit Link" in your profile.
My 3 searches for merit in the search box above yielded nothing useful...
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For all the concern about the improper use of the Bitcointalk Merit system I cant get any clear answers nor links to the Merit Rules of use.
I just did a search and cannot find them.
One thing is clear.
The Bitcointalk Merit system is not working the way it should, people are not using it correctly.
Some of that misuse is clearly for ill purposes and some is not.
To set oneself up as the judge and executioner is a bit of an issue.
I do not see an effort to educate people here at all.
A bunch of posts about you should have known and ignorance are useless judgmental meddling without the dispensing of knowledge.
To impute bad motive does not help either and it is clear people are doing that.
This thread is not about education it is about judgment.
Post relevant links to the Merit System Rules.
How much do you get and when?
https://www.google.com/search?q=bitcointalk+meritFirst result:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0See also the pinned posts in Meta:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0 - particularly ones about rules and merit.
Any questions should be directed to those threads or create a new thread if you feel there is something that hasn't been addressed. This is not the right place for that.
I used the searchbox at the top of the forum.
Here are my searches:
"Merit System"
"bticointalk merit rules"
"how does merit work"
None were effective.
Bitcointalk clearly has failed in the proper execution of the "Merit System" they adopted.
Does it not make sense to have the terms of use in the actual Merit link in your profile?
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RanksUpdate on 9/19/18: Merit points are now addedIn addition to the activity points,
merit points (click for more information) are required to advance your ranking. You will need at least
1 merit point before you can be a Jr. Member (click for more information).
All the main ranks that can be handed out to normal users are: Brand New, Newbie, Jr. Member, Member, Full Member, Sr. Member, Hero Member and Legendary.
In addition to the main rankings, there are also sub-rankings that can be applied, and those are:
Donator, and
VIP.
Finally, staff sub-rankings are as follows: Staff, Moderator, Global Moderator, Administrator, and Founder.
Rank | Description | Tag |
| Brand New: | 0 posts, gets 1 gold coin under his name. |  |
| Newbie: | (none), gets 1 gold coin under his name. | |
| Jr. Member: | Activity: 30, gets 1 gold coin under his name. | |
| Member: | Activity: 60, gets 2 gold coins under his name. | |
| Full Member: | Activity: 120, gets 3 gold coins under his name. | |
| Sr. Member: | Activity: 240, gets 4 gold coins under his name. | |
| Hero Member: | Activity: 480, gets 5 gold coins under his name.
| |
| Legendary: | Activity: the Legendary membergroup has no universal activity requirement.
You are guaranteed to become Legendary somewhere between 775 and 1030 activity,
but the exact point in this range at which you become Legendary is random per user.
Gets 5 gold coins under his name of which the last is half dark blue.
|  |
Sub-Rank | Description | Tag |
| Donator: | Manually applied by administration after 10 BTC donation, and gets 5 gold coins under his name
of which the last is half green. 5 coins are shown regardless of post count when user is a Donator. |  |
| VIP: | Manually applied by administration after 50 BTC donation, and gets 5 gold coins under his name
of which the last is half purple. 5 coins are shown regardless of post count when user is a VIP.
|  |
|
|
Staff Rank | Description | Tag |
| Staff: | Shown when moderators (see next point) post outside of the sections that they moderate.
The tags under their usernames are dependent on their post group. | variable |
| Moderator: | Shown when moderators of specific sections post within those sections.
Gets 5 gold coins, of which the last is shown as half faded-out green. |  |
| Global Moderator: | Applied to Staff that have moderation privileges in all boards.
Gets 5 gold coins, of which the last is half teal colored. |  |
| Administrator: | Has all available permissions and can appoint moderators and perform other administrative tasks.
Gets 5 gold coins, of which the last is shown half red regardless of post count. |  |
| Founder: | Reserved for Satoshi, gets 5 platinum coins under his name. |  |
The way activity is calculated:The activity number is determined in this way:
time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)
Activity is updated every hour.
To become a Donator or a VIP, send a PM to theymos to get a unique donation address.Took the liberty to update it according to the new Activity & new member limits/groups.Edited with proper number of coins.malevolent - update: added info about the new rank, changes to the Staff rank tag, removed the deprecated "SCAMMER" sub-rank. Also included info about the posting limits.There are restrictions on signatures, based on your activity/rank.
- Newbie: No styling (including links) allowed. Max 50 characters.
- Jr. Member: Max 150 characters.
- Member: Links allowed. Unlimited length.
- Full: Color allowed.
- Sr. Member: Size allowed
- Hero: Background color allowed
BadgesI added a system of badges to SMF a while ago, though only two are defined now. Here are the current badges:
 Bitcoin expert | Dev&Tech only. People with this badge know enough about the Bitcoin network to reimplement something very like it from scratch. They are capable of intelligently discussing the Bitcoin network: current protocol, possible attacks, proposed changes, etc. Criteria: Recommendation by an existing Bitcoin expert or core dev and approval by a forum administrator. |
 Bitcoin-Qt core developer | Dev&Tech only. These are the core developers of Satoshi's Bitcoin client. They are listed here. Core developers are among the top contributors to Bitcoin-Qt, and they are all bitcoin experts, though they don't also get that badge. |
 The Glider(hacker symbol) | Awarded for people who have responsibly disclosed forum security flaws. |
A core dev does not "outrank" a bitcoin expert (or vice-versa), and it's possible for someone without a badge to contribute meaningfully to a discussion with experts and core devs.
waittime = 360;
if(activity >= 15)
waittime = (int)(90 - activity);
if(activity >= 60)
waittime=(int)(34.7586 - (0.0793103 * activity));
if(activity >= 100)
waittime = max((int)(14-(activity/50)), 4);
Limits on PM'ing (private messaging):
| Activity | Max recipients | Max recipients if whitelisted | Max PMs per hour | Max PMs per hour if whitelisted | Max PMs per day | Max PMs per day if whitelisted |
| 0 | 2 | 10 | 1 | 40 | 2 | 120 |
| 15 | 3 | 10 | 10 | 40 | 15 | 120 |
| 30 | 5 | 10 | 10 | 40 | 30 | 120 |
| 100 | 7 | 14 | 20 | 80 | 150 | 600 |
| 250 | 15 | 30 | 120 | 120 | 300 | 1200 |
| 500 | 30 | 30 | 120 | 120 | 1200 | 1200 |
You are automatically whitelisted if you buy a
copper membership. You don't need to wear the copper membership, just own it. You can also be whitelisted for free by any staff member and a few non-staff, but we're going to need some reason to think that you actually deserve it. Do not ask me for free whitelisting.
Whitelisting is a not a license to spam. You will be immediately banned if you're found spamming, even if you bought a copper membership (and you will not be refunded).
Full Member and up only.
It must be no more than 120px wide, 80px tall, and 100 KiB in size. It must be a PNG, GIF, or JPEG image. It must be safe for work.
edit: updated PM limits
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censorship is good...right?
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.
But yea.
Create your own topic.A person doesn't need "reasons" to delete a post on a self moderated topic. They could ask a Magic 8 ball or flip a coin if they wanted.
But when facts pertinent to a legitimate argument that supports that argument are deleted
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- You sent 40 points to your own post.
- You gave an excuse that it was done to post images, which doesn't make sense for a number of reasons.
Merit was required. Just 1 Merit. I was not aware how much at the time. - Your other excuse (a "team" will use the account) is equivalent to account farming and sale.
No it is not. I presented facts to you in my very first post of the KORE - DEV account, to you in PM and here. scroll down to view them.
The account is to be used by other members of the KORE Team as it is too much work for any one individual. - You're multi-posting with alts in this thread.
Yes I am and IMO legitimate.I have removed a bunch of your posts - feel free to create your own thread and repost them there but I won't tolerate serial posting using sockpuppets.
Please do not misrepresent what the other account is for.
I have been forthright from the beginning.
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- You sent 40 points to your own post.
- You gave an excuse that it was done to post images, which doesn't make sense for a number of reasons.
The excuse was legitimate being I had no idea at the time how much was required and assumed Merit was needed, which it is but just 1 Merit. - Your other excuse (a "team" will use the account) is equivalent to account farming and sale.
No it is not. I presented from the very first post the reason for it and presented many facts to you in both PM and here.
Please scroll down to read these facts. - You're multi-posting with alts in this thread.
Yes I am.
You know the reasons why and it is legitimate.Report To Admin
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Im going to have another KORE Team Member create an account for the other threads.
I will not send Merit to it and the KORE Team will be instructed to not send Merit to it.
Is this acceptable to you since it will not be created by me?
Will you still give negative feedback?
If I had the ability to remove the Merit I sent I would.
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Those Merits were sent yes in part to show clearly they were sent by me to the new KORE - DEV account for the KORE Team.
I am not the only person who has the creds to that account.
What I am presenting is a viable argument for change or consideration for you to be reasonable.
This is how progress and change happens.
You can stick to your explanations but in this matter they dont hold water.
The KORE Team will also have the creds to this account.Oh boy. How many accounts do you have? Any chance we could stick to one account per person in this thread at least?
MikeMike sent 40 merits to KORE - DEV for this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096416.msg47816815#msg47816815Who created that post? Here's a quote to help you out:
Quote from: KORE - DEV on November 12, 2018, 02:55:12 AM
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Cheers!
Smiley
MikeMike
Post the entire post please.
So people dont get the wrong idea.You and I know why this account was created.
I presume you are not ever going to consider removing the negative feedback and the KORE Team needs
an account to be able to create the new Language threads without having a "trade with extreme caution" attached to it.
Very soon I will not have the time to take care of all these threads just as Clutch the old KORE Team member was responsible for all the Language threads.
What is becoming clear is your stubbornness for the sake of being stubborn.
Which makes me think you are not that old.
For the Record.
I am the sole owner of 2 accounts.
The MikeMike account.
And the temporary MikeMike4real account that I created when I got hacked.
It took me while to get my MikeMike account back.
Soon as I regained access to my MikeMike account I ceased posting with the MikeMike4real account.
The KORE - DEV account is co-owned by the KORE Team Members as a kind of Corporate account
to make sure we dont ever lose access to the Coins threads and Language threads like we did previously and which you already know of.
The KORE - Projects account is co-owned by the KORE Team JIC you dont remove or at least turn neutral the negative feedback.
We dont have much more time to wait till these other threads are created.
Regarding Trust:
Absolutely the Team earned it.Report To Admin
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I think there is a valid reason to send Merit to a "Corporate Type" account
No. That's not what merits are for.
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Did I do this to deceive people?
I think so. You didn't earn those merits from other people. You didn't earn that positive trust either BTW.
You are mistaken.
They were earned and deserved sent by me to the KORE Team since Im not the only one who has access.Quote from: MikeMike on Today at 01:18:44 AM
I have sent 3 DMs to suchmoon asking him to be reasonable in this matter with no reply.
You keep insisting you did nothing wrong. I started this poll in part because of that. And the result was 36:0 before you showed up. It's 36:2 now. Can you tell us why? Grin
Because I and one other person does not agree now that a reasonable option has been presented.Quote from: Quickseller on Today at 02:03:24 AM
With the above being said, someone has sMerits because they ultimately previously made a post someone thought is deserving of merit. As such, I consider sMerit (assuming they are not spending sMerit they have resulting from what they received from being a merit source) to be their property, and I am not a fan of telling others what they can and cannot do with their own property.
The forum already prevents sending merits to yourself (i.e. the same account). There is also a limit of 50 per account per month. There is sufficient precedent to make this "property" argument moot. I don't think sMerits are ours to own, we're supposed to send them to other people.
Those Merits were sent yes in part to show clearly they were sent by me to the new KORE - DEV account for the KORE Team.
I am not the only person who has the creds to that account.What I am presenting is a viable argument for change or consideration for you to be reasonable.
This is how progress and change happens.
You can stick to your explanations but in this matter they dont hold water.
The KORE Team will also have the creds to this account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093302.msg49091541#msg49091541ABOVE are some posts deleted by suchmoon from the above thread:
That thread asks for the reasons why you vote the way you did.
This is a serious issue with Bitcointalk in general.
Also the destructive nature of some of the self appointed Mods.
They too need to be "Moded" due to clear abuse and a lack of reasonableness
that could lead to positive change.
No room for valid reasonable discourse and will only lead to the further demise of Bitcointalk.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg49083888#msg49083888
One of the KORE Projects in time will cover this issue and provide a viable alternative.
I have been ridiculed and near pummeled there in the above thread for presenting facts,
alternatives and important information to various accusations both relevant and non-relevant.Quote from: MikeMike on Today at 11:10:20 PM
Defense of being slandered is not whining.Please create a new thread in Reputation and post anything you want there. I will add a link to it here.
I'm deleting all this nonsense from this thread because you're clearly not listening. Your "defense" here is over and you're no longer welcome to post in this thread.
NOTE:
Below are a few of my PM conversations:quote author=MikeMike link=action=profile;u=101096 date=1546829305]
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No, I'm not linking to your shitcoin thread nor am I going to engage in a discussion there.
Create a proper Reputation thread if there is anything you want to discuss regarding your reputation or mine. Otherwise please leave me alone.
I never asked you to have a discussion there and your myriad of assumptions and false accusations is my only concern.
I suggest you do the same...
Please stop the slander.
MikeMike[/quote]
Please stop the slander.
It can't be slander, perhaps you meant libel. And it can't be libel if it's true.
For example you keep lying that you never had an alt, when you're obviously posting from multiple accounts.
I consider that extremely dishonest and you can expect that I will keep pointing that out.
Never had a "sock puppet" alt.
That is slander and you are libel.
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BELOW is some reasoning to consider about what truly is the definition of an alt account:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093302.msg49075285#msg49075285 Re: Poll: is it OK to send merits to your own alts?
January 06, 2019, 04:42:47 AM
+Merit #53
oooooooooookkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy since my livelyhood will be attacked ill respond to this.
What this all boils down to is, are alt accounts ethical and is KOREDev an alt account.
Are ALT accounts ethical?
NO
Is it ethical to send merits to your own alts?
No, an alt is unethical, enabling those alts to do more damage is unethical as well.
What is an alt account?
An alt account is a secondary, third, fourth, etc, account that is meant to hide activity you dont want viewable on your account,
the only real reason you would have an alt is to deceive others. Seeing as KOREDev was not made for a single user and was not made to hide questionable activity it is not an alt.
Is KOREdev an alt account?
NO, KOREdev was made to be a team account that multiple users could have access to in order to post updates in different language threads
due to an old dev leaving who screwed us over and now we have no access to those language threads and have to effectively kill them.
It could be argued that it is currently an alt because we haven't had the time/money to hire a set of translators. this has some grounds. however,
due to the merit system, it would be pointless for us to do so until the activity level of the account is up and the account actually
can be utilized by multiple translators at a single time without logistical issues
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