Pre-registration and production... Obviously same thing..
what ? its same thing??? |
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只要年回报率在20%以上， 还是可以长期持有的。
对的，只要能保持住就行。半年内预计毫无压力。 |
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I remembered some statements that ActM will conduct a combinations of 65nm, 40nm and 28nm products. Right?
Do not know about AMC,I just mean that demand of 28nm process is highly exceeding its supply all over the world. I do not want to get involved in any thing like I am going to attacking other's business' goodwill. What I do is providing more information for investors to deriving its own judegement.  Regard |
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This is ridiculous,
Thread is pure FUD, anyone reading that article knows that Bitcoin ASICS represent less than .1% of all the chips these foundries would make.
This particular foundry said they have close to 100% market share simply because Apple is on board with them.
Go home OP your drunk.
Be prudent is always a better choice than taking risk. Those ASICs companies said they will going to delivering its chips on October 2013,we will find out by that time,whether I am worry too much or investors being ripped. Seems people are so essay to forgot what BFL did with them. If you wish take the risk,that is your choice,but what I do is providing some information only . Make you own judegement,no one will help you if you get played |
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So do you think 4 millions is something? ??  ? 28nm process production line is something worth more than billion dollar . Orders from those GPU and mobile devices is a incredible amount. There are only few companies in the world have the infrastructure to producing it. U think that compare those giant companies with ASICs mining companies who will get served? 4 millions isn't attractive amount for them, this what I considered . I seemed to understand they were using Altera Hardcopy. KNC not who makes the request to TSMC, GlobalFoundries etc ... Knc places an order Altera . Make hardcopy their FPGA. Altera is about to present its catalog with 22nm (posible foundries INTEL & TSMC) I am not going to specific which companies,but I mean folks better be aware of this situation. |
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Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ? Splattered on their front page news... C'mon, at least do your homework...  Again,which news? I used internal search isn't finding anything related to 28nm.  |
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So do you think 4 millions is something? ?? ? 28nm process production line is something worth more than billion dollar . Orders from those GPU and mobile devices is a incredible amount. There are only few companies in the world have the infrastructure to producing it. U think that compare those giant companies with ASICs mining companies who will get served? 4 millions isn't attractive amount for them, this what I considered . |
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烤猫我也很看好，但是涨到20BTC真的有点夸张哦，疯了吧...我已经付费1200，准备听你如何分析的。 李老师难道挂了20的卖单么？嘿嘿 |
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From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce. It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan. Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten... when I am free ,I can google out more evidences for you. Please,Be realistic . |
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From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce. It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan. Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten... You assuming that situation is changed ,so just let it be. I won't invest any of my BTC related with this 28nm conceptual product. However ,go google it or write a email to ask those very few companies have 28nm process facilities. Semiconductor industrial isn't like other manufacture,the cost of producing new 28nm product is far beyond those small ASICs mining companies' affordability. |
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From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce. It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan. |
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Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ? |
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Hi all - I'm excited that Lab_Rat has decided to bring BitFury mining power to this project. I'm confident that I can deliver on the significant amount of hashpower Lab_Rat wants to secure from us, and in fact it is now my personal goal to make sure that the first chips to send shares for LabRatMining are BitFury chips. As Lab_Rat states, diversification is smart business, and in this case a little friendly competition won't hurt.
Lab_Rat and I discussed his plans for acquiring the hardware and the terms around landing that hashing power as early as possible. We also talked about his plans for the operational facility which sound spot on. I will work closely with him to assist however I can in the rapid deployment of the hardware. As soon as I have video proof of the units, that will be made available. As a further step of thorough due diligence, Lab_Rat is requiring me to provide an in-person demonstration of the 400Gh/s working unit. I totally agree with this smart money approach.
Meantime, we've got a provisional agreement that secures a very early spot in the October queue. This project comes early enough that I can easily reserve the correct number of full 400G kits, with a soft hold on more product as he sees fit. With a large an operational commitment as this, I will dedicate a member of the fulfillment team to assure that units go out on time as promised.
I really like the approach Lab_Rat is taking here and I hope to add value in the ways I've described. I think its a great way to get ASIC mining power at scale.
Cheers,
Dave
http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id40077Are you sure that you can make that much of quantity of chips? if you use 28nm standard? Our wafer order is already underway for product all the way through October. We are 55nm process anyway. Then it will be much more trustworthy,sorry for the post.Good luck |
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ActiveMining: Reaches Its Goal to Fund The NRE to Create the Worlds Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip SPRINGFIELD, MO, - July 19, 2013 - Active Mining (AM) and Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC) are announcing today that they have reached their funding goal to provide funds for the NRE required by eASIC. VMC is in the process of creating the "World's Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip" the Fast-Hash-One 28nm 16 GH/s chip. The Fast-Hash-One machines starts at 256 GH/s with a retail price of $3,999 or $15.62 per GH/s also making it the price leader in the market place. The Fast-Hash-One series of bitcoin mining machines are "The Gold Standard Of Bitcoin Mining Machines"™ Plese don't lie to your customers... Maybe you should ask KnC not to lie to their customers: From their web site: This device is being designed in parallel by the OrSoC engineers. It will offer industry leading performance and power consumption per GH. The final specifications for this device are being ironed out now but we can confirm the following:
Minimum 250GH/s per device
7000-8000 USD predicted price
48 Chips (which are being designed exclusively for KnCMiner by ORSoC).
An additional gain of 30% more hashing when the advanced algorithms provided by ORSoC are applied.
Water cooled setup.
Modular Design allowing for expansion at a later date.
Embedded Linux device to allow for standalone mining.
Shipment begins in early autumn.
TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id40077Highly doubt you can producing them in large quantity..... or just impossible , go to look the news . You can't producing them...no matter how superior is your RTL code, production capability is the key reason determining you can't do it. What makes you think we will be using TSMC? This just a typical information , that 28NM standards production line all over the world is exceeding its supply;(Demand is huge)...from any aspect , you think you can convince them to rejecting large companies' offers, instead to producing your small quantity of order? Check out this article about the company that is making our chip eAsic which mentions major OEM customers i.e Seagate. Nothing indicated eAsic has the infrastructure to producing 28nm standard chips,and if you look at its own product eAsic is using 45nm for its ASIC simulator. I think this company is a simulator producer,not a 28nm manufacture. Can you provides more useful information,thanks , |
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id4007728NM process demand is highly exceeding its supply all over the world. The news above just a typical example ,for further information you can google it. However, Is anyone still dreaming that those ASIC mining rigs companies can get its 28NM standard chips into production? If you still believing that those small ASICs Mining rigs companies can do it ...then you are delusional and too naive...you are setting fire on your BTC investment. anyone invest your BTC relate with this 28NM concept, I can fairly say that before 22NM become mainstream , you won't see anything return from your current investment, The time wasting could be a year or couple of years. Ask you self , what makes you think those manufactures will gives up big quantity of orders which come from APPLE or Nvidia ,instead to producing those small scale of order from ASICs mining rigs companies? this article is almost 6 mo old. things change fast in the tech industry. things may change fast in the tech industry, but the difficulty, or total hashrate, is rising even faster. the advantage of being first to market in bitcoin ASICs is enormous and has been proven by Avalon and ASIC miner. personally, I feel that chasing the smallest process size possible should take a back seat to getting a working product done... IT WILL NOT MATTER if your design is slightly, or even greatly, more efficient if you are late to the party. (*personal case in point: after missing out (or rather, opting out) after seeing the clusterfuck that happened on the Feb 2 release of batch 2 Avalons, I made a purchase of some BFL devices. that was around Feb 10. About a week later batch 2 round 2 from Avalon was released and I got in on that one. I thought it would be a close race to see which device I received first, I preferred the BFL design because it was a smaller process size and a flip-chip design. My Avalon has almost broken even in the 3.5 weeks I've had it running and my BFL order I likely won't see until some time in September if I'm lucky. The point I'm trying to make is that you need to choose between using a more advanced technology that may take more time to get to market, and using more commonly available tech that you can produce right away. So far, the latter approach is winning hands down. During that waiting time ,you may already get return from other activities,and in fact,the waiting time isn't predictable ,you may get nothing like order with BFL. |
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id4007728NM process demand is highly exceeding its supply all over the world. The news above just a typical example ,for further information you can google it. However, Is anyone still dreaming that those ASIC mining rigs companies can get its 28NM standard chips into production? If you still believing that those small ASICs Mining rigs companies can do it ...then you are delusional and too naive...you are setting fire on your BTC investment. anyone invest your BTC relate with this 28NM concept, I can fairly say that before 22NM become mainstream , you won't see anything return from your current investment, The time wasting could be a year or couple of years. Ask you self , what makes you think those manufactures will gives up big quantity of orders which come from APPLE or Nvidia ,instead to producing those small scale of order from ASICs mining rigs companies? this article is almost 6 mo old. things change fast in the tech industry. Still valid ,recently another 28nm production line in Taiwan (belong to hong hai international )is suspended due to technical issue,and only few companies in the world that have the infrastructure to producing 28nm standard chips. |
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id4007728NM process demand is highly exceeding its supply all over the world. The news above just a typical example ,for further information you can google it. However, Is anyone still dreaming that those ASIC mining rigs companies can get its 28NM standard chips into production? If you still believing that those small ASICs Mining rigs companies can do it ...then you are delusional and too naive...you are setting fire on your BTC investment. anyone invest your BTC relate with this 28NM concept, I can fairly say that before 22NM become mainstream , you won't see anything return from your current investment, The time wasting could be a year or couple of years. Ask you self , what makes you think those manufactures will gives up big quantity of orders which come from APPLE or Nvidia ,instead to producing those small scale of order from ASICs mining rigs companies?
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id4007728NM process demand is highly exceeding its supply all over the world. The news above just a typical example ,for further information you can google it. However, Is anyone still dreaming that those ASIC mining rigs companies can get its 28NM standard chips into production? If you still believing that those small ASICs Mining rigs companies can do it ...then you are delusional and too naive...you are setting fire on your BTC investment. anyone invest your BTC relate with this 28NM concept, I can fairly say that before 22NM become mainstream , you won't see anything return from your current investment, The time wasting could be a year or couple of years. Ask you self , what makes you think those manufactures will gives up big quantity of orders which come from APPLE or Nvidia ,instead to producing those small scale of order from ASICs mining rigs companies?
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ActiveMining: Reaches Its Goal to Fund The NRE to Create the Worlds Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip SPRINGFIELD, MO, - July 19, 2013 - Active Mining (AM) and Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC) are announcing today that they have reached their funding goal to provide funds for the NRE required by eASIC. VMC is in the process of creating the "World's Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip" the Fast-Hash-One 28nm 16 GH/s chip. The Fast-Hash-One machines starts at 256 GH/s with a retail price of $3,999 or $15.62 per GH/s also making it the price leader in the market place. The Fast-Hash-One series of bitcoin mining machines are "The Gold Standard Of Bitcoin Mining Machines"™ Plese don't lie to your customers... Maybe you should ask KnC not to lie to their customers: From their web site: This device is being designed in parallel by the OrSoC engineers. It will offer industry leading performance and power consumption per GH. The final specifications for this device are being ironed out now but we can confirm the following:
Minimum 250GH/s per device
7000-8000 USD predicted price
48 Chips (which are being designed exclusively for KnCMiner by ORSoC).
An additional gain of 30% more hashing when the advanced algorithms provided by ORSoC are applied.
Water cooled setup.
Modular Design allowing for expansion at a later date.
Embedded Linux device to allow for standalone mining.
Shipment begins in early autumn.
TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id40077Highly doubt you can producing them in large quantity..... or just impossible , go to look the news . You can't producing them...no matter how superior is your RTL code, production capability is the key reason determining you can't do it. What makes you think we will be using TSMC? This just a typical information , that 28NM standards production line all over the world is exceeding its supply;(Demand is huge)...from any aspect , you think you can convince them to rejecting large companies' offers, instead to producing your small quantity of order? |
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